First question I would ask is it going into a house with a large humidity?shift during the year. Also are you going for a complete rustic look with gaps or a refined look.
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:59 AM Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression < airtightclamps@...> wrote: Here is a rough sketch
 Designing and building for 47 years On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:57 AM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression via Groups.Io <airtightclamps=[email protected]> wrote:
? Greetings:
Thought I would throw this out for ideas.
not that I haven¡¯t built 1000 ash and doors but all stile and rail traditional it euro.?
this is different and it is for a sliding interior door 36 x 84 buy say 2.25 thick.
track is SS roller sophisticated barn door style!
All material is 40 years old very stable?
one side 6 pieces horizontal cherry say TG together and glued as one panel
other side TG together vertical VG hemlock.
no wrap around frame you will see the ends.
so two big panels of opposing movement horizontal?
probably 10 mm max and 8 mm with vertical hemlock.?
so the question is how to attach ?I am not a posed to sliding dovetails , flexible adhesive??
many ideas?
thanks mac
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Here is a rough sketch
 Designing and building for 47 years
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On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:57 AM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression via Groups.Io <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
? Greetings:
Thought I would throw this out for ideas.
not that I haven¡¯t built 1000 ash and doors but all stile and rail traditional it euro.?
this is different and it is for a sliding interior door 36 x 84 buy say 2.25 thick.
track is SS roller sophisticated barn door style!
All material is 40 years old very stable?
one side 6 pieces horizontal cherry say TG together and glued as one panel
other side TG together vertical VG hemlock.
no wrap around frame you will see the ends.
so two big panels of opposing movement horizontal?
probably 10 mm max and 8 mm with vertical hemlock.?
so the question is how to attach ?I am not a posed to sliding dovetails , flexible adhesive??
many ideas?
thanks mac
|
Greetings:
Thought I would throw this out for ideas.
not that I haven¡¯t built 1000 ash and doors but all stile and rail traditional it euro.?
this is different and it is for a sliding interior door 36 x 84 buy say 2.25 thick.
track is SS roller sophisticated barn door style!
All material is 40 years old very stable?
one side 6 pieces horizontal cherry say TG together and glued as one panel
other side TG together vertical VG hemlock.
no wrap around frame you will see the ends.
so two big panels of opposing movement horizontal?
probably 10 mm max and 8 mm with vertical hemlock.?
so the question is how to attach ?I am not a posed to sliding dovetails , flexible adhesive??
many ideas?
thanks mac
|
Re: Removing Slider from it¡¯s base support
If I had to guess, I would say that seam is there to prevent it from bowing and for support.. just a guess..
On Saturday, March 28, 2020, 07:23:18 AM PDT, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Another thought. The standing seam is riveted on. So there had to be a reason it is there. Anyone knows?
Imran On Mar 28, 2020, at 10:07 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Okay there is no up/down movement in the bearing carrier plate. This is how it was installed
There are two alternatives. Bearing cages can be installed on the other side, which is how I started see below
But this raises the standing seam. IIRC, it interferes with base promoting me to install bearings on the opposite side. I attempted these two ways because these result in the standing seam facing up, which is how I found it.
I wonder if this happened during removal of slider and thd previous owner placed it this way because if will lay flat and it really needs to be flipped. If I do flip it, the bearing cages can still be I stalked on either side. Wish the parts diagram was a bit more specific.
Imran
On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:01 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? [Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: Accidentally deleted pics in edit]
Mac,
Slider slides fine.?Good point about gravity. In my pic it can be seen that the standing seem is barely catching the bolt. In the other direction the two bolts are also barely catching the bearing carrier plate.
?
Just to be sure, these two side by side socket head screws on each end of the slider stop the slider travel when they come in contact with rubber pads in the base extrusion, correct?
?
?
?
Imran
?
On Mar 28, 2020, at 12:23 AM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote:
Imran I did not drive all the way down the thread don¡¯t pay any attention to what I said?
The plate shouldn¡¯t be hitting the bolts maybe flip assembly over and earths gravity will fix it.
Designing and building for 47 years
On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:16 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
Looks right to me , how does it slide .?
Designing and building for 47 years
On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:42 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Mac,
?
That part is done. The only thing I could do different is flip the bearing carrier. I do not know which way it goes.
?
I also know that one has to do the bump to get the bearings in the middle. They obviously are towards one end because base was just slid onto the slider.
?
I want to be certain that I have the bearing carrier right side up/down, before trying anything.
?
Here are some pics showing the progression of slider being married to base
?
?
?
?
?
?
Imran
On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:15 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote:
Imran put the wipers into the gap first than slide it on
Mac,,
Designing and building for 47 years
On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:03 PM, "david@..." <david@...> wrote:
Imran, the metal bearing carrier looks positioned too far toward the upper sliding table (that¡¯s face down in your photos). ?I¡¯m suspecting the plastic cages are not attached to the carrier correctly. ? It¡¯s been a while since I¡¯ve been into this (like 15 years), but that metal carrier should clear the cap screws. ?Don¡¯t force it until you get this figured out or you will break the plastic cages again.
?
David Best
On Mar 27, 2020, at 7:25 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Okay guys, the parts came in so I gave it a try to marry the slider with it¡¯s base extrusion.?Keep in mind that slider and base extrusion assembly is upside down. So I am installing the base extrusion to the stationary slider.
?
Even though I was cautioned to not try it while the assembly is upside down, I wanted to try it because I do not have means to easily levitate and even though I can get help I prefer if I can manage without. It actually went without any hitch.
?
I have annotated pics that are embedded in text but I know they will get put at the bottom, so hopefully annotation will help.
?
First, I am not certain which way the bearing carrier goes. It had fallen out because all plastic clips were broken, so I put it the way I found it. Here is a pic. Again, everything is upside down.
?
<image0.jpeg>
?
Is the sheet metal bearing holder the right side up/down?
?
Assuming it is, I think the next step is ¡°the bump¡± to achieve full slider travel. Not sure if I want to do it upside/down. I also do not fully understand it other than causing the slider to move while bearings are held ?against the end of travel stop. Is this the goal?
?
Let me share what is happening so hopefully someone can tell me that all is fine to this point or not.
?
These pictures are from infeed side. The slider can only be pull towards front this much
<image2.jpeg>
?
If you zoom in the pic above the bearings are at the end of base extrusion and the movement is stopped because the bearing carrier is hitting the bolt in the base extrusion. Here is a pic of the bolt in base extrusion.
<image3.jpeg>
?
Here is a pic showing how far the slider can be pushed towards outfeed.
<image4.jpeg>
?
If you zoom in pic above, the bearings are at the end of the track in slider and movement is being stopped by the two bolts in the bottom of the slider.
<image5.jpeg>
?
Appreciate any feedback.
?
Imran
?
I also used my hydraulic table to install the slider, In fact I bought it early just to do this, As Bill said in one word, it made what I thought would be a pain in the azz become very easy.
Glen
Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257
Avery Ca 95224
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:50 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote:
I did mine with a fat 300. Sweet...
?
Bill Belanger?
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 17:49 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Mac,
?
Thanks for the idea. I do have a PJ.
?
Imran?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 8:35 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002=[email protected]> wrote:
If you have a pallet jack put slider on couple saw horses and slide the machine into the slider i have done this myself many times much easier than trying to horse the slider on to the machine.
Have the bearing carriage a little bit out and pinch it together? to get the carriage rolling? in the ways.
mac..
?
martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
-3106
608-332-2330 cell
608-824-0023 fax
Designing and building for 48 years
?
?
?
?
I would reassemble the slider off of the machine.? Easier to thread the bearings and associated retainers in between the two extrusions with the slider upside down on the bench.? You¡¯ll need to hang the lower carriage from above as you thread the two parts together - I¡¯m imagining hanging it from an engine hoist or forklift forks or overhead gantry of some kind. ? I have done this assembly without overhead support but it requires three people (2 to manhandle the lower carriage and one to feed the bearing assembly).? Check that that locking lever (long rod with finger that meshes into locking slots) is not damaged. ?
David Best - via mobile phone?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:24 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Thanks David. I just replied to Mark with my thoughts but your explanation also makes sense. I had already cleaned all accessible surfaces including ways before removing the base. I did not do a visual but the steel ways so I will do that, thanks. BTW, I took a dial indicator with me when I checked it out. There was no height variation to speak of other then last couple of feet on each end (about 0.010¡±). I was pleased with that. It is a 10¡¯ slider. I am very hopeful that it will be as good as new when I get it put together.
?
Next question. You think it is advisable to put the base on the machine and then place the slider on it? It will be less weight doing it in 2 steps but not sure how hard/time consuming it would be to get the slider on the base?
?
Imran
?
?
Imran, that¡¯s exactly what I was afraid of. ? Give a good cleaning then inspection to the hardened steel ways on both the slider and lower carriage to make sure they are not damaged as well. ? ?I can think of a couple of ways this could have happened, but the most likely scenario is that the slider was jammed very hard at one extreme of it¡¯s travel and the metal bearing cage that the plastic retainers attach to was ripped out by one of the cap screws intended to limit the travel of the slider. ?
?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:47 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?
First it was very easy to slide the base off the slider, Thanks to David's instructions.
I found all but one tabs on the roller carriers broken. One carrier was also broken. Fortunately, rollers stayed snapped in except for one which came out because the carrier was broken at it's <broken roller carrier.jpg><all but 1 tabs broken on roller carriers.jpg><close up of carrier.jpg>location.
?
?
?
?
?
?
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Re: Removing Slider from it¡¯s base support
Another thought. The standing seam is riveted on. So there had to be a reason it is there. Anyone knows?
Imran On Mar 28, 2020, at 10:07 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Okay there is no up/down movement in the bearing carrier plate. This is how it was installed
There are two alternatives. Bearing cages can be installed on the other side, which is how I started see below
But this raises the standing seam. IIRC, it interferes with base promoting me to install bearings on the opposite side. I attempted these two ways because these result in the standing seam facing up, which is how I found it.
I wonder if this happened during removal of slider and thd previous owner placed it this way because if will lay flat and it really needs to be flipped. If I do flip it, the bearing cages can still be I stalked on either side. Wish the parts diagram was a bit more specific.
Imran
On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:01 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? [Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: Accidentally deleted pics in edit]
Mac,
Slider slides fine.?Good point about gravity. In my pic it can be seen that the standing seem is barely catching the bolt. In the other direction the two bolts are also barely catching the bearing carrier plate.
?
Just to be sure, these two side by side socket head screws on each end of the slider stop the slider travel when they come in contact with rubber pads in the base extrusion, correct?
?
?
?
Imran
?
On Mar 28, 2020, at 12:23 AM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote:
Imran I did not drive all the way down the thread don¡¯t pay any attention to what I said?
The plate shouldn¡¯t be hitting the bolts maybe flip assembly over and earths gravity will fix it.
Designing and building for 47 years
On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:16 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
Looks right to me , how does it slide .?
Designing and building for 47 years
On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:42 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Mac,
?
That part is done. The only thing I could do different is flip the bearing carrier. I do not know which way it goes.
?
I also know that one has to do the bump to get the bearings in the middle. They obviously are towards one end because base was just slid onto the slider.
?
I want to be certain that I have the bearing carrier right side up/down, before trying anything.
?
Here are some pics showing the progression of slider being married to base
?
?
?
?
?
?
Imran
On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:15 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote:
Imran put the wipers into the gap first than slide it on
Mac,,
Designing and building for 47 years
On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:03 PM, "david@..." <david@...> wrote:
Imran, the metal bearing carrier looks positioned too far toward the upper sliding table (that¡¯s face down in your photos). ?I¡¯m suspecting the plastic cages are not attached to the carrier correctly. ? It¡¯s been a while since I¡¯ve been into this (like 15 years), but that metal carrier should clear the cap screws. ?Don¡¯t force it until you get this figured out or you will break the plastic cages again.
?
David Best
On Mar 27, 2020, at 7:25 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Okay guys, the parts came in so I gave it a try to marry the slider with it¡¯s base extrusion.?Keep in mind that slider and base extrusion assembly is upside down. So I am installing the base extrusion to the stationary slider.
?
Even though I was cautioned to not try it while the assembly is upside down, I wanted to try it because I do not have means to easily levitate and even though I can get help I prefer if I can manage without. It actually went without any hitch.
?
I have annotated pics that are embedded in text but I know they will get put at the bottom, so hopefully annotation will help.
?
First, I am not certain which way the bearing carrier goes. It had fallen out because all plastic clips were broken, so I put it the way I found it. Here is a pic. Again, everything is upside down.
?
<image0.jpeg>
?
Is the sheet metal bearing holder the right side up/down?
?
Assuming it is, I think the next step is ¡°the bump¡± to achieve full slider travel. Not sure if I want to do it upside/down. I also do not fully understand it other than causing the slider to move while bearings are held ?against the end of travel stop. Is this the goal?
?
Let me share what is happening so hopefully someone can tell me that all is fine to this point or not.
?
These pictures are from infeed side. The slider can only be pull towards front this much
<image2.jpeg>
?
If you zoom in the pic above the bearings are at the end of base extrusion and the movement is stopped because the bearing carrier is hitting the bolt in the base extrusion. Here is a pic of the bolt in base extrusion.
<image3.jpeg>
?
Here is a pic showing how far the slider can be pushed towards outfeed.
<image4.jpeg>
?
If you zoom in pic above, the bearings are at the end of the track in slider and movement is being stopped by the two bolts in the bottom of the slider.
<image5.jpeg>
?
Appreciate any feedback.
?
Imran
?
I also used my hydraulic table to install the slider, In fact I bought it early just to do this, As Bill said in one word, it made what I thought would be a pain in the azz become very easy.
Glen
Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257
Avery Ca 95224
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:50 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote:
I did mine with a fat 300. Sweet...
?
Bill Belanger?
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 17:49 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Mac,
?
Thanks for the idea. I do have a PJ.
?
Imran?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 8:35 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002=[email protected]> wrote:
If you have a pallet jack put slider on couple saw horses and slide the machine into the slider i have done this myself many times much easier than trying to horse the slider on to the machine.
Have the bearing carriage a little bit out and pinch it together? to get the carriage rolling? in the ways.
mac..
?
martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
-3106
608-332-2330 cell
608-824-0023 fax
Designing and building for 48 years
?
?
?
?
I would reassemble the slider off of the machine.? Easier to thread the bearings and associated retainers in between the two extrusions with the slider upside down on the bench.? You¡¯ll need to hang the lower carriage from above as you thread the two parts together - I¡¯m imagining hanging it from an engine hoist or forklift forks or overhead gantry of some kind. ? I have done this assembly without overhead support but it requires three people (2 to manhandle the lower carriage and one to feed the bearing assembly).? Check that that locking lever (long rod with finger that meshes into locking slots) is not damaged. ?
David Best - via mobile phone?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:24 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Thanks David. I just replied to Mark with my thoughts but your explanation also makes sense. I had already cleaned all accessible surfaces including ways before removing the base. I did not do a visual but the steel ways so I will do that, thanks. BTW, I took a dial indicator with me when I checked it out. There was no height variation to speak of other then last couple of feet on each end (about 0.010¡±). I was pleased with that. It is a 10¡¯ slider. I am very hopeful that it will be as good as new when I get it put together.
?
Next question. You think it is advisable to put the base on the machine and then place the slider on it? It will be less weight doing it in 2 steps but not sure how hard/time consuming it would be to get the slider on the base?
?
Imran
?
?
Imran, that¡¯s exactly what I was afraid of. ? Give a good cleaning then inspection to the hardened steel ways on both the slider and lower carriage to make sure they are not damaged as well. ? ?I can think of a couple of ways this could have happened, but the most likely scenario is that the slider was jammed very hard at one extreme of it¡¯s travel and the metal bearing cage that the plastic retainers attach to was ripped out by one of the cap screws intended to limit the travel of the slider. ?
?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:47 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?
First it was very easy to slide the base off the slider, Thanks to David's instructions.
I found all but one tabs on the roller carriers broken. One carrier was also broken. Fortunately, rollers stayed snapped in except for one which came out because the carrier was broken at it's <broken roller carrier.jpg><all but 1 tabs broken on roller carriers.jpg><close up of carrier.jpg>location.
?
?
?
?
?
?
|
Re: Removing Slider from it¡¯s base support
Okay there is no up/down movement in the bearing carrier plate. This is how it was installed
There are two alternatives. Bearing cages can be installed on the other side, which is how I started see below
But this raises the standing seam. IIRC, it interferes with base promoting me to install bearings on the opposite side. I attempted these two ways because these result in the standing seam facing up, which is how I found it.
I wonder if this happened during removal of slider and thd previous owner placed it this way because if will lay flat and it really needs to be flipped. If I do flip it, the bearing cages can still be I stalked on either side. Wish the parts diagram was a bit more specific.
Imran
On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:01 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? [Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: Accidentally deleted pics in edit]
Mac,
Slider slides fine.?Good point about gravity. In my pic it can be seen that the standing seem is barely catching the bolt. In the other direction the two bolts are also barely catching the bearing carrier plate.
?
Just to be sure, these two side by side socket head screws on each end of the slider stop the slider travel when they come in contact with rubber pads in the base extrusion, correct?
?
?
?
Imran
?
On Mar 28, 2020, at 12:23 AM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote:
Imran I did not drive all the way down the thread don¡¯t pay any attention to what I said?
The plate shouldn¡¯t be hitting the bolts maybe flip assembly over and earths gravity will fix it.
Designing and building for 47 years
On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:16 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
Looks right to me , how does it slide .?
Designing and building for 47 years
On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:42 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Mac,
?
That part is done. The only thing I could do different is flip the bearing carrier. I do not know which way it goes.
?
I also know that one has to do the bump to get the bearings in the middle. They obviously are towards one end because base was just slid onto the slider.
?
I want to be certain that I have the bearing carrier right side up/down, before trying anything.
?
Here are some pics showing the progression of slider being married to base
?
?
?
?
?
?
Imran
On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:15 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote:
Imran put the wipers into the gap first than slide it on
Mac,,
Designing and building for 47 years
On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:03 PM, "david@..." <david@...> wrote:
Imran, the metal bearing carrier looks positioned too far toward the upper sliding table (that¡¯s face down in your photos). ?I¡¯m suspecting the plastic cages are not attached to the carrier correctly. ? It¡¯s been a while since I¡¯ve been into this (like 15 years), but that metal carrier should clear the cap screws. ?Don¡¯t force it until you get this figured out or you will break the plastic cages again.
?
David Best
On Mar 27, 2020, at 7:25 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Okay guys, the parts came in so I gave it a try to marry the slider with it¡¯s base extrusion.?Keep in mind that slider and base extrusion assembly is upside down. So I am installing the base extrusion to the stationary slider.
?
Even though I was cautioned to not try it while the assembly is upside down, I wanted to try it because I do not have means to easily levitate and even though I can get help I prefer if I can manage without. It actually went without any hitch.
?
I have annotated pics that are embedded in text but I know they will get put at the bottom, so hopefully annotation will help.
?
First, I am not certain which way the bearing carrier goes. It had fallen out because all plastic clips were broken, so I put it the way I found it. Here is a pic. Again, everything is upside down.
?
<image0.jpeg>
?
Is the sheet metal bearing holder the right side up/down?
?
Assuming it is, I think the next step is ¡°the bump¡± to achieve full slider travel. Not sure if I want to do it upside/down. I also do not fully understand it other than causing the slider to move while bearings are held ?against the end of travel stop. Is this the goal?
?
Let me share what is happening so hopefully someone can tell me that all is fine to this point or not.
?
These pictures are from infeed side. The slider can only be pull towards front this much
<image2.jpeg>
?
If you zoom in the pic above the bearings are at the end of base extrusion and the movement is stopped because the bearing carrier is hitting the bolt in the base extrusion. Here is a pic of the bolt in base extrusion.
<image3.jpeg>
?
Here is a pic showing how far the slider can be pushed towards outfeed.
<image4.jpeg>
?
If you zoom in pic above, the bearings are at the end of the track in slider and movement is being stopped by the two bolts in the bottom of the slider.
<image5.jpeg>
?
Appreciate any feedback.
?
Imran
?
I also used my hydraulic table to install the slider, In fact I bought it early just to do this, As Bill said in one word, it made what I thought would be a pain in the azz become very easy.
Glen
Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257
Avery Ca 95224
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:50 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote:
I did mine with a fat 300. Sweet...
?
Bill Belanger?
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 17:49 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Mac,
?
Thanks for the idea. I do have a PJ.
?
Imran?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 8:35 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002=[email protected]> wrote:
If you have a pallet jack put slider on couple saw horses and slide the machine into the slider i have done this myself many times much easier than trying to horse the slider on to the machine.
Have the bearing carriage a little bit out and pinch it together? to get the carriage rolling? in the ways.
mac..
?
martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
-3106
608-332-2330 cell
608-824-0023 fax
Designing and building for 48 years
?
?
?
?
I would reassemble the slider off of the machine.? Easier to thread the bearings and associated retainers in between the two extrusions with the slider upside down on the bench.? You¡¯ll need to hang the lower carriage from above as you thread the two parts together - I¡¯m imagining hanging it from an engine hoist or forklift forks or overhead gantry of some kind. ? I have done this assembly without overhead support but it requires three people (2 to manhandle the lower carriage and one to feed the bearing assembly).? Check that that locking lever (long rod with finger that meshes into locking slots) is not damaged. ?
David Best - via mobile phone?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:24 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Thanks David. I just replied to Mark with my thoughts but your explanation also makes sense. I had already cleaned all accessible surfaces including ways before removing the base. I did not do a visual but the steel ways so I will do that, thanks. BTW, I took a dial indicator with me when I checked it out. There was no height variation to speak of other then last couple of feet on each end (about 0.010¡±). I was pleased with that. It is a 10¡¯ slider. I am very hopeful that it will be as good as new when I get it put together.
?
Next question. You think it is advisable to put the base on the machine and then place the slider on it? It will be less weight doing it in 2 steps but not sure how hard/time consuming it would be to get the slider on the base?
?
Imran
?
?
Imran, that¡¯s exactly what I was afraid of. ? Give a good cleaning then inspection to the hardened steel ways on both the slider and lower carriage to make sure they are not damaged as well. ? ?I can think of a couple of ways this could have happened, but the most likely scenario is that the slider was jammed very hard at one extreme of it¡¯s travel and the metal bearing cage that the plastic retainers attach to was ripped out by one of the cap screws intended to limit the travel of the slider. ?
?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:47 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?
First it was very easy to slide the base off the slider, Thanks to David's instructions.
I found all but one tabs on the roller carriers broken. One carrier was also broken. Fortunately, rollers stayed snapped in except for one which came out because the carrier was broken at it's <broken roller carrier.jpg><all but 1 tabs broken on roller carriers.jpg><close up of carrier.jpg>location.
?
?
?
?
?
?
|
Re: Removing Slider from it¡¯s base support
I'll check mine today when I get to the shop and report back what I find..with pictures to show..hopefully
On Saturday, March 28, 2020, 06:01:50 AM PDT, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Mac,
Slider slides fine.?Good point about gravity. In my pic it can be seen that the standing seem is barely catching the bolt. In the other direction the two bolts are also barely catching the bearing carrier plate.
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Just to be sure, these two side by side socket head screws on each end of the slider stop the slider travel when they come in contact with rubber pads in the base extrusion, correct?
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Imran
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On Mar 28, 2020, at 12:23 AM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote:
Imran I did not drive all the way down the thread don¡¯t pay any attention to what I said?
The plate shouldn¡¯t be hitting the bolts maybe flip assembly over and earths gravity will fix it.
Designing and building for 47 years
On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:16 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
Looks right to me , how does it slide .?
Designing and building for 47 years
On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:42 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Mac,
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That part is done. The only thing I could do different is flip the bearing carrier. I do not know which way it goes.
?
I also know that one has to do the bump to get the bearings in the middle. They obviously are towards one end because base was just slid onto the slider.
?
I want to be certain that I have the bearing carrier right side up/down, before trying anything.
?
Here are some pics showing the progression of slider being married to base
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?
?
Imran
On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:15 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote:
Imran put the wipers into the gap first than slide it on
Mac,,
Designing and building for 47 years
On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:03 PM, "david@..." <david@...> wrote:
Imran, the metal bearing carrier looks positioned too far toward the upper sliding table (that¡¯s face down in your photos). ?I¡¯m suspecting the plastic cages are not attached to the carrier correctly. ? It¡¯s been a while since I¡¯ve been into this (like 15 years), but that metal carrier should clear the cap screws. ?Don¡¯t force it until you get this figured out or you will break the plastic cages again.
?
David Best
On Mar 27, 2020, at 7:25 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Okay guys, the parts came in so I gave it a try to marry the slider with it¡¯s base extrusion.?Keep in mind that slider and base extrusion assembly is upside down. So I am installing the base extrusion to the stationary slider.
?
Even though I was cautioned to not try it while the assembly is upside down, I wanted to try it because I do not have means to easily levitate and even though I can get help I prefer if I can manage without. It actually went without any hitch.
?
I have annotated pics that are embedded in text but I know they will get put at the bottom, so hopefully annotation will help.
?
First, I am not certain which way the bearing carrier goes. It had fallen out because all plastic clips were broken, so I put it the way I found it. Here is a pic. Again, everything is upside down.
?
<image0.jpeg>
?
Is the sheet metal bearing holder the right side up/down?
?
Assuming it is, I think the next step is ¡°the bump¡± to achieve full slider travel. Not sure if I want to do it upside/down. I also do not fully understand it other than causing the slider to move while bearings are held ?against the end of travel stop. Is this the goal?
?
Let me share what is happening so hopefully someone can tell me that all is fine to this point or not.
?
These pictures are from infeed side. The slider can only be pull towards front this much
<image2.jpeg>
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If you zoom in the pic above the bearings are at the end of base extrusion and the movement is stopped because the bearing carrier is hitting the bolt in the base extrusion. Here is a pic of the bolt in base extrusion.
<image3.jpeg>
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Here is a pic showing how far the slider can be pushed towards outfeed.
<image4.jpeg>
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If you zoom in pic above, the bearings are at the end of the track in slider and movement is being stopped by the two bolts in the bottom of the slider.
<image5.jpeg>
?
Appreciate any feedback.
?
Imran
?
I also used my hydraulic table to install the slider, In fact I bought it early just to do this, As Bill said in one word, it made what I thought would be a pain in the azz become very easy.
Glen
Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257
Avery Ca 95224
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:50 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote:
I did mine with a fat 300. Sweet...
?
Bill Belanger?
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 17:49 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Mac,
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Thanks for the idea. I do have a PJ.
?
Imran?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 8:35 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002=[email protected]> wrote:
If you have a pallet jack put slider on couple saw horses and slide the machine into the slider i have done this myself many times much easier than trying to horse the slider on to the machine.
Have the bearing carriage a little bit out and pinch it together? to get the carriage rolling? in the ways.
mac..
?
martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
-3106
608-332-2330 cell
608-824-0023 fax
Designing and building for 48 years
?
?
?
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I would reassemble the slider off of the machine.? Easier to thread the bearings and associated retainers in between the two extrusions with the slider upside down on the bench.? You¡¯ll need to hang the lower carriage from above as you thread the two parts together - I¡¯m imagining hanging it from an engine hoist or forklift forks or overhead gantry of some kind. ? I have done this assembly without overhead support but it requires three people (2 to manhandle the lower carriage and one to feed the bearing assembly).? Check that that locking lever (long rod with finger that meshes into locking slots) is not damaged. ?
David Best - via mobile phone?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:24 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
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Thanks David. I just replied to Mark with my thoughts but your explanation also makes sense. I had already cleaned all accessible surfaces including ways before removing the base. I did not do a visual but the steel ways so I will do that, thanks. BTW, I took a dial indicator with me when I checked it out. There was no height variation to speak of other then last couple of feet on each end (about 0.010¡±). I was pleased with that. It is a 10¡¯ slider. I am very hopeful that it will be as good as new when I get it put together.
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Next question. You think it is advisable to put the base on the machine and then place the slider on it? It will be less weight doing it in 2 steps but not sure how hard/time consuming it would be to get the slider on the base?
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Imran
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Imran, that¡¯s exactly what I was afraid of. ? Give a good cleaning then inspection to the hardened steel ways on both the slider and lower carriage to make sure they are not damaged as well. ? ?I can think of a couple of ways this could have happened, but the most likely scenario is that the slider was jammed very hard at one extreme of it¡¯s travel and the metal bearing cage that the plastic retainers attach to was ripped out by one of the cap screws intended to limit the travel of the slider. ?
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On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:47 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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First it was very easy to slide the base off the slider, Thanks to David's instructions.
I found all but one tabs on the roller carriers broken. One carrier was also broken. Fortunately, rollers stayed snapped in except for one which came out because the carrier was broken at it's <broken roller carrier.jpg><all but 1 tabs broken on roller carriers.jpg><close up of carrier.jpg>location.
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Should we make a policy on proper way to reply
Moderators & et al.,
I hardly ever see msgs on the web interface. Today I looked at one and noted how each msg includes previous msgs. It was very annoying to scroll down and pretty soon msgs became one character per row due to indentation. Turned phone to landscape to avoid that. I just feel besides annoying it wastes storage, yes I know it is txt but still.
I do not know, for sure, how to avoid this when we reply via email vs on the web. If you agree, can we share the proper way to reply in both cases to avoid this situation?
Best Regards,
Imran
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Re: really hating sliding saw for panels
Mac is correct ? Regards, Mark
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On Mar 28, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Mark Kessler via Groups.Io <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? Didn¡¯t pay attention to that until u mentioned it, wide angle on the iphone pro Regards, Mark On Mar 28, 2020, at 8:37 AM, Mark Kessler via Groups.Io <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? Hey those stops have feelings too ? Regards, Mark On Mar 28, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Michael Glaser <1michaelglaser1@...> wrote:
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I have an outrigger table.
my main issue is ripping 4x8 in half for end panels on my cabinets.
when I set the panel up, one of the long corner is up about an inch, unless I lift the opposite corner. These are HEAVY panels, Extira MDF wrapped with acrylic. Easily 160lb.
it¡¯s clear to me now that I just need a support table, maybe a front clamp - but not needed.
thanks for the help.
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Re: really hating sliding saw for panels
Didn¡¯t pay attention to that until u mentioned it, wide angle on the iphone pro Regards, Mark
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On Mar 28, 2020, at 8:37 AM, Mark Kessler via Groups.Io <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? Hey those stops have feelings too ? Regards, Mark On Mar 28, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Michael Glaser <1michaelglaser1@...> wrote:
? [Edited Message Follows]
I have an outrigger table.
my main issue is ripping 4x8 in half for end panels on my cabinets.
when I set the panel up, one of the long corner is up about an inch, unless I lift the opposite corner. These are HEAVY panels, Extira MDF wrapped with acrylic. Easily 160lb.
it¡¯s clear to me now that I just need a support table, maybe a front clamp - but not needed.
thanks for the help.
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Re: really hating sliding saw for panels
Hey those stops have feelings too ? Regards, Mark
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On Mar 28, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Michael Glaser <1michaelglaser1@...> wrote:
? [Edited Message Follows]
I have an outrigger table.
my main issue is ripping 4x8 in half for end panels on my cabinets.
when I set the panel up, one of the long corner is up about an inch, unless I lift the opposite corner. These are HEAVY panels, Extira MDF wrapped with acrylic. Easily 160lb.
it¡¯s clear to me now that I just need a support table, maybe a front clamp - but not needed.
thanks for the help.
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Re: Attaching to outside edge of slider
There is this?
And this which is less and for the ¡°P¡±, just ditch the handle?
Might be others available off the shelf these just came to mind Regards, Mark
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On Mar 28, 2020, at 1:53 AM, murrayau1 <murraywp@...> wrote:
?Hi all
I'm looking at making some attachments which I would like to connect to the outside edge of the slider. There been a number of posts recently which show shop made parallel guides which attach to the slider in the same way I am trying to do. I have a couple of questions:
Is there any small and relatively inexpensive fitting that Felder sells which would do this job? The cheapest thing I can find is the small aluminium extension but this is still relatively expensive and bigger than I require.
Has anyone made such a thing themselves and is there anywhere I can get the cross-sectional dimensions of such a fitting? It should not be very hard just to measure it up myself but I figured if someone has done it before and has any advice that would be great.
Thanks in advance
Murray
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Re: Removing Slider from it¡¯s base support
Mac,
Slider slides fine.?Good point about gravity. In my pic it can be seen that the standing seem is barely catching the bolt. In the other direction the two bolts are also barely catching the bearing carrier plate.
?
Just to be sure, these two side by side socket head screws on each end of the slider stop the slider travel when they come in contact with rubber pads in the base extrusion, correct?
?
?
?
Imran
?
On Mar 28, 2020, at 12:23 AM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote:
Imran I did not drive all the way down the thread don¡¯t pay any attention to what I said?
The plate shouldn¡¯t be hitting the bolts maybe flip assembly over and earths gravity will fix it.
Designing and building for 47 years
On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:16 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
Looks right to me , how does it slide .?
Designing and building for 47 years
On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:42 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Mac,
?
That part is done. The only thing I could do different is flip the bearing carrier. I do not know which way it goes.
?
I also know that one has to do the bump to get the bearings in the middle. They obviously are towards one end because base was just slid onto the slider.
?
I want to be certain that I have the bearing carrier right side up/down, before trying anything.
?
Here are some pics showing the progression of slider being married to base
?
?
?
?
?
?
Imran
On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:15 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote:
Imran put the wipers into the gap first than slide it on
Mac,,
Designing and building for 47 years
On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:03 PM, "david@..." <david@...> wrote:
Imran, the metal bearing carrier looks positioned too far toward the upper sliding table (that¡¯s face down in your photos). ?I¡¯m suspecting the plastic cages are not attached to the carrier correctly. ? It¡¯s been a while since I¡¯ve been into this (like 15 years), but that metal carrier should clear the cap screws. ?Don¡¯t force it until you get this figured out or you will break the plastic cages again.
?
David Best
On Mar 27, 2020, at 7:25 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Okay guys, the parts came in so I gave it a try to marry the slider with it¡¯s base extrusion.?Keep in mind that slider and base extrusion assembly is upside down. So I am installing the base extrusion to the stationary slider.
?
Even though I was cautioned to not try it while the assembly is upside down, I wanted to try it because I do not have means to easily levitate and even though I can get help I prefer if I can manage without. It actually went without any hitch.
?
I have annotated pics that are embedded in text but I know they will get put at the bottom, so hopefully annotation will help.
?
First, I am not certain which way the bearing carrier goes. It had fallen out because all plastic clips were broken, so I put it the way I found it. Here is a pic. Again, everything is upside down.
?
<image0.jpeg>
?
Is the sheet metal bearing holder the right side up/down?
?
Assuming it is, I think the next step is ¡°the bump¡± to achieve full slider travel. Not sure if I want to do it upside/down. I also do not fully understand it other than causing the slider to move while bearings are held ?against the end of travel stop. Is this the goal?
?
Let me share what is happening so hopefully someone can tell me that all is fine to this point or not.
?
These pictures are from infeed side. The slider can only be pull towards front this much
<image2.jpeg>
?
If you zoom in the pic above the bearings are at the end of base extrusion and the movement is stopped because the bearing carrier is hitting the bolt in the base extrusion. Here is a pic of the bolt in base extrusion.
<image3.jpeg>
?
Here is a pic showing how far the slider can be pushed towards outfeed.
<image4.jpeg>
?
If you zoom in pic above, the bearings are at the end of the track in slider and movement is being stopped by the two bolts in the bottom of the slider.
<image5.jpeg>
?
Appreciate any feedback.
?
Imran
?
I also used my hydraulic table to install the slider, In fact I bought it early just to do this, As Bill said in one word, it made what I thought would be a pain in the azz become very easy.
Glen
Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257
Avery Ca 95224
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:50 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote:
I did mine with a fat 300. Sweet...
?
Bill Belanger?
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 17:49 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Mac,
?
Thanks for the idea. I do have a PJ.
?
Imran?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 8:35 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002=[email protected]> wrote:
If you have a pallet jack put slider on couple saw horses and slide the machine into the slider i have done this myself many times much easier than trying to horse the slider on to the machine.
Have the bearing carriage a little bit out and pinch it together? to get the carriage rolling? in the ways.
mac..
?
martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
-3106
608-332-2330 cell
608-824-0023 fax
Designing and building for 48 years
?
?
?
?
I would reassemble the slider off of the machine.? Easier to thread the bearings and associated retainers in between the two extrusions with the slider upside down on the bench.? You¡¯ll need to hang the lower carriage from above as you thread the two parts together - I¡¯m imagining hanging it from an engine hoist or forklift forks or overhead gantry of some kind. ? I have done this assembly without overhead support but it requires three people (2 to manhandle the lower carriage and one to feed the bearing assembly).? Check that that locking lever (long rod with finger that meshes into locking slots) is not damaged. ?
David Best - via mobile phone?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:24 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Thanks David. I just replied to Mark with my thoughts but your explanation also makes sense. I had already cleaned all accessible surfaces including ways before removing the base. I did not do a visual but the steel ways so I will do that, thanks. BTW, I took a dial indicator with me when I checked it out. There was no height variation to speak of other then last couple of feet on each end (about 0.010¡±). I was pleased with that. It is a 10¡¯ slider. I am very hopeful that it will be as good as new when I get it put together.
?
Next question. You think it is advisable to put the base on the machine and then place the slider on it? It will be less weight doing it in 2 steps but not sure how hard/time consuming it would be to get the slider on the base?
?
Imran
?
?
Imran, that¡¯s exactly what I was afraid of. ? Give a good cleaning then inspection to the hardened steel ways on both the slider and lower carriage to make sure they are not damaged as well. ? ?I can think of a couple of ways this could have happened, but the most likely scenario is that the slider was jammed very hard at one extreme of it¡¯s travel and the metal bearing cage that the plastic retainers attach to was ripped out by one of the cap screws intended to limit the travel of the slider. ?
?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:47 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?
First it was very easy to slide the base off the slider, Thanks to David's instructions.
I found all but one tabs on the roller carriers broken. One carrier was also broken. Fortunately, rollers stayed snapped in except for one which came out because the carrier was broken at it's <broken roller carrier.jpg><all but 1 tabs broken on roller carriers.jpg><close up of carrier.jpg>location.
?
?
?
?
?
?
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Re: really hating sliding saw for panels
I have an outrigger table.
my main issue is ripping 4x8 in half for end panels on my cabinets.
when I set the panel up, one of the long corner is up about an inch, unless I lift the opposite corner. These are HEAVY panels, Extira MDF wrapped with acrylic. Easily 160lb.
it¡¯s clear to me now that I just need a support table, maybe a front clamp - but not needed.
thanks for the help.
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Re: Attaching to outside edge of slider
These pictures are of another FOG member modifying the P couplings that you can get off the shelf from Felder. /g/felderownersgroup/album?id=104503David Best has made a custom version shown here:? /g/felderownersgroup/message/103406This might help too, also courtesy of David:? The alu aux table is the easiest way to get a stable and repeatable platform for attachments, with zero milling. Hope it helps.?
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Attaching to outside edge of slider
Hi all
I'm looking at making some attachments which I would like to connect to the outside edge of the slider. There been a number of posts recently which show shop made parallel guides which attach to the slider in the same way I am trying to do. I have a couple of questions:
Is there any small and relatively inexpensive fitting that Felder sells which would do this job? The cheapest thing I can find is the small aluminium extension but this is still relatively expensive and bigger than I require.
Has anyone made such a thing themselves and is there anywhere I can get the cross-sectional dimensions of such a fitting? It should not be very hard just to measure it up myself but I figured if someone has done it before and has any advice that would be great.
Thanks in advance
Murray
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Re: Removing Slider from it¡¯s base support
Imran I did not drive all the way down the thread don¡¯t pay any attention to what I said? The plate shouldn¡¯t be hitting the bolts maybe flip assembly over and earths gravity will fix it. Designing and building for 47 years
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On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:16 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
? Looks right to me , how does it slide .? Designing and building for 47 years On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:42 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Mac,
That part is done. The only thing I could do different is flip the bearing carrier. I do not know which way it goes.
I also know that one has to do the bump to get the bearings in the middle. They obviously are towards one end because base was just slid onto the slider.
I want to be certain that I have the bearing carrier right side up/down, before trying anything.
Here are some pics showing the progression of slider being married to base
Imran On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:15 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Imran put the wipers into the gap first than slide it on Mac,, Designing and building for 47 years On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:03 PM, "david@..." <david@...> wrote:
? Imran, the metal bearing carrier looks positioned too far toward the upper sliding table (that¡¯s face down in your photos). ?I¡¯m suspecting the plastic cages are not attached to the carrier correctly. ? It¡¯s been a while since I¡¯ve been into this (like 15 years), but that metal carrier should clear the cap screws. ?Don¡¯t force it until you get this figured out or you will break the plastic cages again.
David Best On Mar 27, 2020, at 7:25 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Okay guys, the parts came in so I gave it a try to marry the slider with it¡¯s base extrusion.?Keep in mind that slider and base extrusion assembly is upside down. So I am installing the base extrusion to the stationary slider.
Even though I was cautioned to not try it while the assembly is upside down, I wanted to try it because I do not have means to easily levitate and even though I can get help I prefer if I can manage without. It actually went without any hitch.
I have annotated pics that are embedded in text but I know they will get put at the bottom, so hopefully annotation will help.
First, I am not certain which way the bearing carrier goes. It had fallen out because all plastic clips were broken, so I put it the way I found it. Here is a pic. Again, everything is upside down.
<image0.jpeg>
Is the sheet metal bearing holder the right side up/down?
Assuming it is, I think the next step is ¡°the bump¡± to achieve full slider travel. Not sure if I want to do it upside/down. I also do not fully understand it other than causing the slider to move while bearings are held ?against the end of travel stop. Is this the goal?
Let me share what is happening so hopefully someone can tell me that all is fine to this point or not.
These pictures are from infeed side. The slider can only be pull towards front this much <image2.jpeg>
If you zoom in the pic above the bearings are at the end of base extrusion and the movement is stopped because the bearing carrier is hitting the bolt in the base extrusion. Here is a pic of the bolt in base extrusion. <image3.jpeg>
Here is a pic showing how far the slider can be pushed towards outfeed. <image4.jpeg>
If you zoom in pic above, the bearings are at the end of the track in slider and movement is being stopped by the two bolts in the bottom of the slider. <image5.jpeg>
Appreciate any feedback.
Imran
? I also used my hydraulic table to install the slider, In fact I bought it early just to do this, As Bill said in one word, it made what I thought would be a pain in the azz become very easy. Glen
Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:50 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: I did mine with a fat 300. Sweet...
Bill Belanger? On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 17:49 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Mac,
Thanks for the idea. I do have a PJ.
Imran? On Mar 18, 2020, at 8:35 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002=[email protected]> wrote:
? If you have a pallet jack put slider on couple saw horses and slide the machine into the slider i have done this myself many times much easier than trying to horse the slider on to the machine. Have the bearing carriage a little bit out and pinch it together? to get the carriage rolling? in the ways. mac..
martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
-3106
608-332-2330 cell 608-824-0023 fax
Designing and building for 48 years
I would reassemble the slider off of the machine.? Easier to thread the bearings and associated retainers in between the two extrusions with the slider upside down on the bench.? You¡¯ll need to hang the lower carriage from above as you thread the two parts together - I¡¯m imagining hanging it from an engine hoist or forklift forks or overhead gantry of some kind. ? I have done this assembly without overhead support but it requires three people (2 to manhandle the lower carriage and one to feed the bearing assembly).? Check that that locking lever (long rod with finger that meshes into locking slots) is not damaged. ? David Best - via mobile phone? On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:24 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Thanks David. I just replied to Mark with my thoughts but your explanation also makes sense. I had already cleaned all accessible surfaces including ways before removing the base. I did not do a visual but the steel ways so I will do that, thanks. BTW, I took a dial indicator with me when I checked it out. There was no height variation to speak of other then last couple of feet on each end (about 0.010¡±). I was pleased with that. It is a 10¡¯ slider. I am very hopeful that it will be as good as new when I get it put together. ?
Next question. You think it is advisable to put the base on the machine and then place the slider on it? It will be less weight doing it in 2 steps but not sure how hard/time consuming it would be to get the slider on the base? ?
Imran ?
?
Imran, that¡¯s exactly what I was afraid of. ? Give a good cleaning then inspection to the hardened steel ways on both the slider and lower carriage to make sure they are not damaged as well. ? ?I can think of a couple of ways this could have happened, but the most likely scenario is that the slider was jammed very hard at one extreme of it¡¯s travel and the metal bearing cage that the plastic retainers attach to was ripped out by one of the cap screws intended to limit the travel of the slider. ? ?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:47 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote: ?
First it was very easy to slide the base off the slider, Thanks to David's instructions.
I found all but one tabs on the roller carriers broken. One carrier was also broken. Fortunately, rollers stayed snapped in except for one which came out because the carrier was broken at it's <broken roller carrier.jpg><all but 1 tabs broken on roller carriers.jpg><close up of carrier.jpg>location.
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Re: Removing Slider from it¡¯s base support
Looks right to me , how does it slide .? Designing and building for 47 years
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Show quoted text
On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:42 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Mac,
That part is done. The only thing I could do different is flip the bearing carrier. I do not know which way it goes.
I also know that one has to do the bump to get the bearings in the middle. They obviously are towards one end because base was just slid onto the slider.
I want to be certain that I have the bearing carrier right side up/down, before trying anything.
Here are some pics showing the progression of slider being married to base
Imran On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:15 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Imran put the wipers into the gap first than slide it on Mac,, Designing and building for 47 years On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:03 PM, "david@..." <david@...> wrote:
? Imran, the metal bearing carrier looks positioned too far toward the upper sliding table (that¡¯s face down in your photos). ?I¡¯m suspecting the plastic cages are not attached to the carrier correctly. ? It¡¯s been a while since I¡¯ve been into this (like 15 years), but that metal carrier should clear the cap screws. ?Don¡¯t force it until you get this figured out or you will break the plastic cages again.
David Best On Mar 27, 2020, at 7:25 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Okay guys, the parts came in so I gave it a try to marry the slider with it¡¯s base extrusion.?Keep in mind that slider and base extrusion assembly is upside down. So I am installing the base extrusion to the stationary slider.
Even though I was cautioned to not try it while the assembly is upside down, I wanted to try it because I do not have means to easily levitate and even though I can get help I prefer if I can manage without. It actually went without any hitch.
I have annotated pics that are embedded in text but I know they will get put at the bottom, so hopefully annotation will help.
First, I am not certain which way the bearing carrier goes. It had fallen out because all plastic clips were broken, so I put it the way I found it. Here is a pic. Again, everything is upside down.
<image0.jpeg>
Is the sheet metal bearing holder the right side up/down?
Assuming it is, I think the next step is ¡°the bump¡± to achieve full slider travel. Not sure if I want to do it upside/down. I also do not fully understand it other than causing the slider to move while bearings are held ?against the end of travel stop. Is this the goal?
Let me share what is happening so hopefully someone can tell me that all is fine to this point or not.
These pictures are from infeed side. The slider can only be pull towards front this much <image2.jpeg>
If you zoom in the pic above the bearings are at the end of base extrusion and the movement is stopped because the bearing carrier is hitting the bolt in the base extrusion. Here is a pic of the bolt in base extrusion. <image3.jpeg>
Here is a pic showing how far the slider can be pushed towards outfeed. <image4.jpeg>
If you zoom in pic above, the bearings are at the end of the track in slider and movement is being stopped by the two bolts in the bottom of the slider. <image5.jpeg>
Appreciate any feedback.
Imran
? I also used my hydraulic table to install the slider, In fact I bought it early just to do this, As Bill said in one word, it made what I thought would be a pain in the azz become very easy. Glen
Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:50 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: I did mine with a fat 300. Sweet...
Bill Belanger? On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 17:49 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Mac,
Thanks for the idea. I do have a PJ.
Imran? On Mar 18, 2020, at 8:35 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002=[email protected]> wrote:
? If you have a pallet jack put slider on couple saw horses and slide the machine into the slider i have done this myself many times much easier than trying to horse the slider on to the machine. Have the bearing carriage a little bit out and pinch it together? to get the carriage rolling? in the ways. mac..
martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
-3106
608-332-2330 cell 608-824-0023 fax
Designing and building for 48 years
I would reassemble the slider off of the machine.? Easier to thread the bearings and associated retainers in between the two extrusions with the slider upside down on the bench.? You¡¯ll need to hang the lower carriage from above as you thread the two parts together - I¡¯m imagining hanging it from an engine hoist or forklift forks or overhead gantry of some kind. ? I have done this assembly without overhead support but it requires three people (2 to manhandle the lower carriage and one to feed the bearing assembly).? Check that that locking lever (long rod with finger that meshes into locking slots) is not damaged. ? David Best - via mobile phone? On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:24 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
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Thanks David. I just replied to Mark with my thoughts but your explanation also makes sense. I had already cleaned all accessible surfaces including ways before removing the base. I did not do a visual but the steel ways so I will do that, thanks. BTW, I took a dial indicator with me when I checked it out. There was no height variation to speak of other then last couple of feet on each end (about 0.010¡±). I was pleased with that. It is a 10¡¯ slider. I am very hopeful that it will be as good as new when I get it put together. ?
Next question. You think it is advisable to put the base on the machine and then place the slider on it? It will be less weight doing it in 2 steps but not sure how hard/time consuming it would be to get the slider on the base? ?
Imran ?
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Imran, that¡¯s exactly what I was afraid of. ? Give a good cleaning then inspection to the hardened steel ways on both the slider and lower carriage to make sure they are not damaged as well. ? ?I can think of a couple of ways this could have happened, but the most likely scenario is that the slider was jammed very hard at one extreme of it¡¯s travel and the metal bearing cage that the plastic retainers attach to was ripped out by one of the cap screws intended to limit the travel of the slider. ? ?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:47 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote: ?
First it was very easy to slide the base off the slider, Thanks to David's instructions.
I found all but one tabs on the roller carriers broken. One carrier was also broken. Fortunately, rollers stayed snapped in except for one which came out because the carrier was broken at it's <broken roller carrier.jpg><all but 1 tabs broken on roller carriers.jpg><close up of carrier.jpg>location.
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Re: Removing Slider from it¡¯s base support
Mac,
That part is done. The only thing I could do different is flip the bearing carrier. I do not know which way it goes.
I also know that one has to do the bump to get the bearings in the middle. They obviously are towards one end because base was just slid onto the slider.
I want to be certain that I have the bearing carrier right side up/down, before trying anything.
Here are some pics showing the progression of slider being married to base
Imran On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:15 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Imran put the wipers into the gap first than slide it on Mac,, Designing and building for 47 years On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:03 PM, "david@..." <david@...> wrote:
? Imran, the metal bearing carrier looks positioned too far toward the upper sliding table (that¡¯s face down in your photos). ?I¡¯m suspecting the plastic cages are not attached to the carrier correctly. ? It¡¯s been a while since I¡¯ve been into this (like 15 years), but that metal carrier should clear the cap screws. ?Don¡¯t force it until you get this figured out or you will break the plastic cages again.
David Best On Mar 27, 2020, at 7:25 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Okay guys, the parts came in so I gave it a try to marry the slider with it¡¯s base extrusion.?Keep in mind that slider and base extrusion assembly is upside down. So I am installing the base extrusion to the stationary slider.
Even though I was cautioned to not try it while the assembly is upside down, I wanted to try it because I do not have means to easily levitate and even though I can get help I prefer if I can manage without. It actually went without any hitch.
I have annotated pics that are embedded in text but I know they will get put at the bottom, so hopefully annotation will help.
First, I am not certain which way the bearing carrier goes. It had fallen out because all plastic clips were broken, so I put it the way I found it. Here is a pic. Again, everything is upside down.
<image0.jpeg>
Is the sheet metal bearing holder the right side up/down?
Assuming it is, I think the next step is ¡°the bump¡± to achieve full slider travel. Not sure if I want to do it upside/down. I also do not fully understand it other than causing the slider to move while bearings are held ?against the end of travel stop. Is this the goal?
Let me share what is happening so hopefully someone can tell me that all is fine to this point or not.
These pictures are from infeed side. The slider can only be pull towards front this much <image2.jpeg>
If you zoom in the pic above the bearings are at the end of base extrusion and the movement is stopped because the bearing carrier is hitting the bolt in the base extrusion. Here is a pic of the bolt in base extrusion. <image3.jpeg>
Here is a pic showing how far the slider can be pushed towards outfeed. <image4.jpeg>
If you zoom in pic above, the bearings are at the end of the track in slider and movement is being stopped by the two bolts in the bottom of the slider. <image5.jpeg>
Appreciate any feedback.
Imran
? I also used my hydraulic table to install the slider, In fact I bought it early just to do this, As Bill said in one word, it made what I thought would be a pain in the azz become very easy. Glen
Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:50 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: I did mine with a fat 300. Sweet...
Bill Belanger? On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 17:49 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Mac,
Thanks for the idea. I do have a PJ.
Imran? On Mar 18, 2020, at 8:35 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002=[email protected]> wrote:
? If you have a pallet jack put slider on couple saw horses and slide the machine into the slider i have done this myself many times much easier than trying to horse the slider on to the machine. Have the bearing carriage a little bit out and pinch it together? to get the carriage rolling? in the ways. mac..
martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
-3106
608-332-2330 cell 608-824-0023 fax
Designing and building for 48 years
I would reassemble the slider off of the machine.? Easier to thread the bearings and associated retainers in between the two extrusions with the slider upside down on the bench.? You¡¯ll need to hang the lower carriage from above as you thread the two parts together - I¡¯m imagining hanging it from an engine hoist or forklift forks or overhead gantry of some kind. ? I have done this assembly without overhead support but it requires three people (2 to manhandle the lower carriage and one to feed the bearing assembly).? Check that that locking lever (long rod with finger that meshes into locking slots) is not damaged. ? David Best - via mobile phone? On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:24 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Thanks David. I just replied to Mark with my thoughts but your explanation also makes sense. I had already cleaned all accessible surfaces including ways before removing the base. I did not do a visual but the steel ways so I will do that, thanks. BTW, I took a dial indicator with me when I checked it out. There was no height variation to speak of other then last couple of feet on each end (about 0.010¡±). I was pleased with that. It is a 10¡¯ slider. I am very hopeful that it will be as good as new when I get it put together. ?
Next question. You think it is advisable to put the base on the machine and then place the slider on it? It will be less weight doing it in 2 steps but not sure how hard/time consuming it would be to get the slider on the base? ?
Imran ?
?
Imran, that¡¯s exactly what I was afraid of. ? Give a good cleaning then inspection to the hardened steel ways on both the slider and lower carriage to make sure they are not damaged as well. ? ?I can think of a couple of ways this could have happened, but the most likely scenario is that the slider was jammed very hard at one extreme of it¡¯s travel and the metal bearing cage that the plastic retainers attach to was ripped out by one of the cap screws intended to limit the travel of the slider. ? ?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:47 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote: ?
First it was very easy to slide the base off the slider, Thanks to David's instructions.
I found all but one tabs on the roller carriers broken. One carrier was also broken. Fortunately, rollers stayed snapped in except for one which came out because the carrier was broken at it's <broken roller carrier.jpg><all but 1 tabs broken on roller carriers.jpg><close up of carrier.jpg>location.
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Re: Removing Slider from it¡¯s base support
Thanks David. I Bcc: Felder tech so hopefully he will know. The bearings are held properly but the carrier could be upside down.
I can ask randy to take a peak. Easy to tell from the standing seam in the middle.
Imran? On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:03 PM, "david@..." <david@...> wrote:
? Imran, the metal bearing carrier looks positioned too far toward the upper sliding table (that¡¯s face down in your photos). ?I¡¯m suspecting the plastic cages are not attached to the carrier correctly. ? It¡¯s been a while since I¡¯ve been into this (like 15 years), but that metal carrier should clear the cap screws. ?Don¡¯t force it until you get this figured out or you will break the plastic cages again.
David Best On Mar 27, 2020, at 7:25 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Okay guys, the parts came in so I gave it a try to marry the slider with it¡¯s base extrusion.?Keep in mind that slider and base extrusion assembly is upside down. So I am installing the base extrusion to the stationary slider.
Even though I was cautioned to not try it while the assembly is upside down, I wanted to try it because I do not have means to easily levitate and even though I can get help I prefer if I can manage without. It actually went without any hitch.
I have annotated pics that are embedded in text but I know they will get put at the bottom, so hopefully annotation will help.
First, I am not certain which way the bearing carrier goes. It had fallen out because all plastic clips were broken, so I put it the way I found it. Here is a pic. Again, everything is upside down.
<image0.jpeg>
Is the sheet metal bearing holder the right side up/down?
Assuming it is, I think the next step is ¡°the bump¡± to achieve full slider travel. Not sure if I want to do it upside/down. I also do not fully understand it other than causing the slider to move while bearings are held ?against the end of travel stop. Is this the goal?
Let me share what is happening so hopefully someone can tell me that all is fine to this point or not.
These pictures are from infeed side. The slider can only be pull towards front this much <image2.jpeg>
If you zoom in the pic above the bearings are at the end of base extrusion and the movement is stopped because the bearing carrier is hitting the bolt in the base extrusion. Here is a pic of the bolt in base extrusion. <image3.jpeg>
Here is a pic showing how far the slider can be pushed towards outfeed. <image4.jpeg>
If you zoom in pic above, the bearings are at the end of the track in slider and movement is being stopped by the two bolts in the bottom of the slider. <image5.jpeg>
Appreciate any feedback.
Imran
? I also used my hydraulic table to install the slider, In fact I bought it early just to do this, As Bill said in one word, it made what I thought would be a pain in the azz become very easy. Glen
Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:50 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: I did mine with a fat 300. Sweet...
Bill Belanger? On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 17:49 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Mac,
Thanks for the idea. I do have a PJ.
Imran? On Mar 18, 2020, at 8:35 PM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002=[email protected]> wrote:
? If you have a pallet jack put slider on couple saw horses and slide the machine into the slider i have done this myself many times much easier than trying to horse the slider on to the machine. Have the bearing carriage a little bit out and pinch it together? to get the carriage rolling? in the ways. mac..
martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
-3106
608-332-2330 cell 608-824-0023 fax
Designing and building for 48 years
I would reassemble the slider off of the machine.? Easier to thread the bearings and associated retainers in between the two extrusions with the slider upside down on the bench.? You¡¯ll need to hang the lower carriage from above as you thread the two parts together - I¡¯m imagining hanging it from an engine hoist or forklift forks or overhead gantry of some kind. ? I have done this assembly without overhead support but it requires three people (2 to manhandle the lower carriage and one to feed the bearing assembly).? Check that that locking lever (long rod with finger that meshes into locking slots) is not damaged. ? David Best - via mobile phone? On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:24 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Thanks David. I just replied to Mark with my thoughts but your explanation also makes sense. I had already cleaned all accessible surfaces including ways before removing the base. I did not do a visual but the steel ways so I will do that, thanks. BTW, I took a dial indicator with me when I checked it out. There was no height variation to speak of other then last couple of feet on each end (about 0.010¡±). I was pleased with that. It is a 10¡¯ slider. I am very hopeful that it will be as good as new when I get it put together. ?
Next question. You think it is advisable to put the base on the machine and then place the slider on it? It will be less weight doing it in 2 steps but not sure how hard/time consuming it would be to get the slider on the base? ?
Imran ?
?
Imran, that¡¯s exactly what I was afraid of. ? Give a good cleaning then inspection to the hardened steel ways on both the slider and lower carriage to make sure they are not damaged as well. ? ?I can think of a couple of ways this could have happened, but the most likely scenario is that the slider was jammed very hard at one extreme of it¡¯s travel and the metal bearing cage that the plastic retainers attach to was ripped out by one of the cap screws intended to limit the travel of the slider. ? ?
On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:47 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote: ?
First it was very easy to slide the base off the slider, Thanks to David's instructions.
I found all but one tabs on the roller carriers broken. One carrier was also broken. Fortunately, rollers stayed snapped in except for one which came out because the carrier was broken at it's <broken roller carrier.jpg><all but 1 tabs broken on roller carriers.jpg><close up of carrier.jpg>location.
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imran
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