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Re: Dual51 2007 Digi-Drive switch to metric?
Try holding down the RESET button when you apply power to the machine. ?By ¡°apply power¡±, I mean the master disconnect switch, not on/off to the motors. ? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:32 AM, Andy Wojteczko <andy@...> wrote:
?Hello, looking for some help to switch from inch to metric.
Dual51 2007 Digi-Drive switch to metric?
I can access and modify parameters 1-5 but the manual calls for parameter 12 to switch from Metric to inch.
I cannot access 12 in any way. The newer Digi-Drive uses a different parameter to switch inch/metric. It does not work on my unit.
I have contacted Felder USA and we tried everything. No luck.
Felder is waiting for a reply from Austria.
Anyone have the codes to get at 12?
Any help is appreciated.
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Andy Wojteczko
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I am working on them with a? couple of items ¨C they are busy but do get back you ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:51 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] AF-22 Filter Bag ? just as another datapoint, i spoke with a real person last week and today, following up on a back ordered part. i saved following info that was shared here for replacement bags. not sure if this is any help: ¡°I also found bags for the bins that fit perfectly from McMaster Carr. Compactor Liners, 10 cu ft, Part #4203T5. 50 bags for $62.? I do believe these bags also fit the RL125 and 200 as well.¡°
On Jul 14, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <Bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I've dealt with Felder multiple times, and although they are working from home, leaving a message seems to work well with a little patience. ? I need a filter bag for an AF-22.? Does anyone have a source for these?? Felder seems to not be taking calls.? Has anyone had problems getting parts?
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Re: Dual51 2007 Digi-Drive switch to metric?
I thought I read here that you power up with a certain switch pressed to switch units. Maybe I am mixing machines.
imran
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On Jul 14, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Andy Wojteczko <andy@...> wrote: ?Hello, looking for some help to switch from inch to metric.
Dual51 2007 Digi-Drive switch to metric?
I can access and modify parameters 1-5 but the manual calls for parameter 12 to switch from Metric to inch.
I cannot access 12 in any way. The newer Digi-Drive uses a different parameter to switch inch/metric. It does not work on my unit.
I have contacted Felder USA and we tried everything. No luck.
Felder is waiting for a reply from Austria.
Anyone have the codes to get at 12?
Any help is appreciated.
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Andy Wojteczko
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Dual51 2007 Digi-Drive switch to metric?
Hello, looking for some help to switch from inch to metric.
Dual51 2007 Digi-Drive switch to metric?
I can access and modify parameters 1-5 but the manual calls for parameter 12 to switch from Metric to inch.
I cannot access 12 in any way. The newer Digi-Drive uses a different parameter to switch inch/metric. It does not work on my unit.
I have contacted Felder USA and we tried everything. No luck.
Felder is waiting for a reply from Austria.
Anyone have the codes to get at 12?
Any help is appreciated.
--
Andy Wojteczko
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just as another datapoint, i spoke with a real person last week and today, following up on a back ordered part.
i saved following info that was shared here for replacement bags. not sure if this is any help:
¡°I also found bags for the bins that fit perfectly from McMaster Carr. Compactor Liners, 10 cu ft, Part #4203T5. 50 bags for $62.? I do believe these bags also fit the RL125 and 200 as well.¡°
imran
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On Jul 14, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? I've dealt with Felder multiple times, and although they are working from home, leaving a message seems to work well with a little patience.
Bill B¨¦langer I need a filter bag for an AF-22.? Does anyone have a source for these?? Felder seems to not be taking calls.? Has anyone had problems getting parts?
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I've dealt with Felder multiple times, and although they are working from home, leaving a message seems to work well with a little patience.
Bill B¨¦langer
I need a filter bag for an AF-22.? Does anyone have a source for these?? Felder seems to not be taking calls.? Has anyone had problems getting parts?
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I need a filter bag for an AF-22.? Does anyone have a source for these?? Felder seems to not be taking calls.? Has anyone had problems getting parts?
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Re: which water based poly for HVLP?
John,
My understanding of the H/O cup for turbine driven system is because the turbine system operates at low air pressure level (below 10 psi), it cannot collapse the liner like the 3M PPS for compressor driven system, which uses venturi effect ()
For Fuji turbine driven system, viscosity reading must be below 80 seconds using #4 Ford viscosity cup, if not, thinning is required.?
Pressurized cup can be used with compressor driven gun to spray high viscosity material??.
James
Imran H/O refers to a pressurized cup system for PPS. It's used to push through higher than normal viscosity finishes that don't atomize properly typically in turbine HVLP guns. IMHO and experience knowing how to thin finishes properly and measure viscosity is an important part of the spraying art.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-07-12 10:49 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP?
as a neophyte to ¡°assisted finishing¡± or as most say AF (hey, I just coined a new terminology that likely no one understands), i have been reading this thread and realizing the complexities involved.
the problem is that my brain shuts down when i do not understand something. i cannot find, at least easily, what the heck H/O stands for. i likely be ashamed with the seemingly obvious answer.
imran On Jul 11, 2020, at 11:20 PM, marty shultz < azmartys@...> wrote: ? It looks like they make a 22 oz H/O for my GXPC ?gun.? I don¡¯t recall seeing that before.? I think I¡¯ll give that a try rather than buying a new gun w/ PPS. ?
? ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 5:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP? ? If I need to spray in the tight space, I will use gravity feed gun with the small H/O cup with 6 oz liner. PPS 1.0 has only two liners, 28oz and 6 oz. PPS 2.0 has 5 different liners, still two H/O cups, large or midi, no small size. ? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 7:59 PM marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: What are the circumstances that determine which gun you select?? ? Thanks for the advice, James. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:30 PM
To: Felder Owner Group
Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP? ? Marty, I have Fuji bottom feed and gravity feed guns. Most of the time, I use the bottom feed gun with PPS 28oz liner. If I spray the same paint in a day, I cover the tip with the wet shop towel?and plastic when waiting for the paint?to dry. I always leave the leftover paint in the liner with H/O cup or hard cup (for the compressor driven gun) upside down.
I would suggest to get PPS 2.0 large H/O (28oz) kit first,?yes, buy a T70?gun. For spraying at the tight space, you can get Midi?(13.5oz) H/O kit for your gxpc gun. Anything less than 6oz is meant for repair work.?
? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 6:42 PM marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: I have the GXPC gun which has a very small cup.? It¡¯s nice because the cup can rotate so I can spray at any angle.? The downside is it doesn¡¯t hold much material.? Does the small cup size reduce the benefits of the PPS system?? I¡¯m wondering if I should get a T70 with PPS? ? ? Differences are : 2 lid sizes fit all containers.? Graduation /mix ratios on cup - not a sleeve.? New gun interfaces/ adapters Larger reservoir below filter.? and - someone more knowledgeable chime in please - the pressurized cups that allow you to spray at any angle have changed/ gone away/ become more limited. ? I can¡¯t really get a straight answer from anyone at 3M or distributor.? ? ? On Jul 11, 2020, at 12:23 AM, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote: ?Looks like I have 1.0, I didn't even know they released 2.0! I'll have to check out the differences to see if it's a worthwhile upgrade.?
FWIW, I too have the Mini Mite 4 with the T70 gun. Great system.
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Re: which water based poly for HVLP?
John, that was my guess but slash does not make sense. Highly Obscure is another option but it does not work with slash either ?
imran
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On Jul 12, 2020, at 2:01 PM, jmkserv@... wrote: ? High Output is the best I've found. Don't know why the slash is used by 3M.
-------- Original message -------- From: "imranindiana via groups.io" <imranindiana@...> Date: 2020-07-12 1:34 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP?
thanks John but H/O must stand for something? that is my question?
On Jul 12, 2020, at 12:38 PM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? Imran H/O refers to a pressurized cup system for PPS. It's used to push through higher than normal viscosity finishes that don't atomize properly typically in turbine HVLP guns. IMHO and experience knowing how to thin finishes properly and measure viscosity is an important part of the spraying art.?
-------- Original message -------- From: "imranindiana via groups.io" <imranindiana@...> Date: 2020-07-12 10:49 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP?
as a neophyte to ¡°assisted finishing¡± or as most say AF (hey, I just coined a new terminology that likely no one understands), i have been reading this thread and realizing the complexities involved.
the problem is that my brain shuts down when i do not understand something. i cannot find, at least easily, what the heck H/O stands for. i likely be ashamed with the seemingly obvious answer.
imran On Jul 11, 2020, at 11:20 PM, marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: ? It looks like they make a 22 oz H/O for my GXPC ?gun.? I don¡¯t recall seeing that before.? I think I¡¯ll give that a try rather than buying a new gun w/ PPS. ? ? ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 5:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP? ? If I need to spray in the tight space, I will use gravity feed gun with the small H/O cup with 6 oz liner. PPS 1.0 has only two liners, 28oz and 6 oz. PPS 2.0 has 5 different liners, still two H/O cups, large or midi, no small size. ? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 7:59 PM marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: What are the circumstances that determine which gun you select?? ? Thanks for the advice, James. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:30 PM
To: Felder Owner Group
Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP? ? Marty, I have Fuji bottom feed and gravity feed guns. Most of the time, I use the bottom feed gun with PPS 28oz liner. If I spray the same paint in a day, I cover the tip with the wet shop towel?and plastic when waiting for the paint?to dry. I always leave the leftover paint in the liner with H/O cup or hard cup (for the compressor driven gun) upside down.
I would suggest to get PPS 2.0 large H/O (28oz) kit first,?yes, buy a T70?gun. For spraying at the tight space, you can get Midi?(13.5oz) H/O kit for your gxpc gun. Anything less than 6oz is meant for repair work.?
? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 6:42 PM marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: I have the GXPC gun which has a very small cup.? It¡¯s nice because the cup can rotate so I can spray at any angle.? The downside is it doesn¡¯t hold much material.? Does the small cup size reduce the benefits of the PPS system?? I¡¯m wondering if I should get a T70 with PPS? ? ? Differences are : 2 lid sizes fit all containers.? Graduation /mix ratios on cup - not a sleeve.? New gun interfaces/ adapters Larger reservoir below filter.? and - someone more knowledgeable chime in please - the pressurized cups that allow you to spray at any angle have changed/ gone away/ become more limited. ? I can¡¯t really get a straight answer from anyone at 3M or distributor.? ? ? On Jul 11, 2020, at 12:23 AM, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote: ?Looks like I have 1.0, I didn't even know they released 2.0! I'll have to check out the differences to see if it's a worthwhile upgrade.?
FWIW, I too have the Mini Mite 4 with the T70 gun. Great system.
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Re: which water based poly for HVLP?
High Output is the best I've found. Don't know why the slash is used by 3M.
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-------- Original message -------- From: "imranindiana via groups.io" <imranindiana@...> Date: 2020-07-12 1:34 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP?
thanks John but H/O must stand for something? that is my question?
On Jul 12, 2020, at 12:38 PM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? Imran H/O refers to a pressurized cup system for PPS. It's used to push through higher than normal viscosity finishes that don't atomize properly typically in turbine HVLP guns. IMHO and experience knowing how to thin finishes properly and measure viscosity is an important part of the spraying art.?
-------- Original message -------- From: "imranindiana via groups.io" <imranindiana@...> Date: 2020-07-12 10:49 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP?
as a neophyte to ¡°assisted finishing¡± or as most say AF (hey, I just coined a new terminology that likely no one understands), i have been reading this thread and realizing the complexities involved.
the problem is that my brain shuts down when i do not understand something. i cannot find, at least easily, what the heck H/O stands for. i likely be ashamed with the seemingly obvious answer.
imran On Jul 11, 2020, at 11:20 PM, marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: ? It looks like they make a 22 oz H/O for my GXPC ?gun.? I don¡¯t recall seeing that before.? I think I¡¯ll give that a try rather than buying a new gun w/ PPS. ? ? ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 5:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP? ? If I need to spray in the tight space, I will use gravity feed gun with the small H/O cup with 6 oz liner. PPS 1.0 has only two liners, 28oz and 6 oz. PPS 2.0 has 5 different liners, still two H/O cups, large or midi, no small size. ? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 7:59 PM marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: What are the circumstances that determine which gun you select?? ? Thanks for the advice, James. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:30 PM
To: Felder Owner Group
Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP? ? Marty, I have Fuji bottom feed and gravity feed guns. Most of the time, I use the bottom feed gun with PPS 28oz liner. If I spray the same paint in a day, I cover the tip with the wet shop towel?and plastic when waiting for the paint?to dry. I always leave the leftover paint in the liner with H/O cup or hard cup (for the compressor driven gun) upside down.
I would suggest to get PPS 2.0 large H/O (28oz) kit first,?yes, buy a T70?gun. For spraying at the tight space, you can get Midi?(13.5oz) H/O kit for your gxpc gun. Anything less than 6oz is meant for repair work.?
? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 6:42 PM marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: I have the GXPC gun which has a very small cup.? It¡¯s nice because the cup can rotate so I can spray at any angle.? The downside is it doesn¡¯t hold much material.? Does the small cup size reduce the benefits of the PPS system?? I¡¯m wondering if I should get a T70 with PPS? ? ? Differences are : 2 lid sizes fit all containers.? Graduation /mix ratios on cup - not a sleeve.? New gun interfaces/ adapters Larger reservoir below filter.? and - someone more knowledgeable chime in please - the pressurized cups that allow you to spray at any angle have changed/ gone away/ become more limited. ? I can¡¯t really get a straight answer from anyone at 3M or distributor.? ? ? On Jul 11, 2020, at 12:23 AM, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote: ?Looks like I have 1.0, I didn't even know they released 2.0! I'll have to check out the differences to see if it's a worthwhile upgrade.?
FWIW, I too have the Mini Mite 4 with the T70 gun. Great system.
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Re: which water based poly for HVLP?
thanks John but H/O must stand for something? that is my question?
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On Jul 12, 2020, at 12:38 PM, jmkserv@... wrote: ? Imran H/O refers to a pressurized cup system for PPS. It's used to push through higher than normal viscosity finishes that don't atomize properly typically in turbine HVLP guns. IMHO and experience knowing how to thin finishes properly and measure viscosity is an important part of the spraying art.?
-------- Original message -------- From: "imranindiana via groups.io" <imranindiana@...> Date: 2020-07-12 10:49 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP?
as a neophyte to ¡°assisted finishing¡± or as most say AF (hey, I just coined a new terminology that likely no one understands), i have been reading this thread and realizing the complexities involved.
the problem is that my brain shuts down when i do not understand something. i cannot find, at least easily, what the heck H/O stands for. i likely be ashamed with the seemingly obvious answer.
imran On Jul 11, 2020, at 11:20 PM, marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: ? It looks like they make a 22 oz H/O for my GXPC ?gun.? I don¡¯t recall seeing that before.? I think I¡¯ll give that a try rather than buying a new gun w/ PPS. ? ? ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 5:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP? ? If I need to spray in the tight space, I will use gravity feed gun with the small H/O cup with 6 oz liner. PPS 1.0 has only two liners, 28oz and 6 oz. PPS 2.0 has 5 different liners, still two H/O cups, large or midi, no small size. ? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 7:59 PM marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: What are the circumstances that determine which gun you select?? ? Thanks for the advice, James. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:30 PM
To: Felder Owner Group
Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP? ? Marty, I have Fuji bottom feed and gravity feed guns. Most of the time, I use the bottom feed gun with PPS 28oz liner. If I spray the same paint in a day, I cover the tip with the wet shop towel?and plastic when waiting for the paint?to dry. I always leave the leftover paint in the liner with H/O cup or hard cup (for the compressor driven gun) upside down.
I would suggest to get PPS 2.0 large H/O (28oz) kit first,?yes, buy a T70?gun. For spraying at the tight space, you can get Midi?(13.5oz) H/O kit for your gxpc gun. Anything less than 6oz is meant for repair work.?
? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 6:42 PM marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: I have the GXPC gun which has a very small cup.? It¡¯s nice because the cup can rotate so I can spray at any angle.? The downside is it doesn¡¯t hold much material.? Does the small cup size reduce the benefits of the PPS system?? I¡¯m wondering if I should get a T70 with PPS? ? ? Differences are : 2 lid sizes fit all containers.? Graduation /mix ratios on cup - not a sleeve.? New gun interfaces/ adapters Larger reservoir below filter.? and - someone more knowledgeable chime in please - the pressurized cups that allow you to spray at any angle have changed/ gone away/ become more limited. ? I can¡¯t really get a straight answer from anyone at 3M or distributor.? ? ? On Jul 11, 2020, at 12:23 AM, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote: ?Looks like I have 1.0, I didn't even know they released 2.0! I'll have to check out the differences to see if it's a worthwhile upgrade.?
FWIW, I too have the Mini Mite 4 with the T70 gun. Great system.
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Re: which water based poly for HVLP?
There are 2 H/O pressure cups for PPS 2.0, #26124 and #26121. Mr. Phelps does not have the latest H/O cup pictures on his website, but the description for the new H/O cup in the kit is correct. I think that is what he meant, the picture does not matter.?
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James
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David,
When you talked to Mr. Phelps earlier this year, did he have the PPS 2.0 kit on his website??
I would be very surprised that the PPS 2.0 kit he sells now ()?does not work with PPS 2.0 liner and lid., it clearly states the kit has new adaptor and new H/O cup.
You can buy PPS 2.0 for your turbine driven gun from other companies, check the following thread.
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James?
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Can someone knowledgeable please explain how 2.0 deals with the H/O cups now?? It appears there is still no new dedicated H/O cup with the new lid ??? And , you cannot reliably use the smaller liners in the larger H/O cup ?? I'm still rather perplexed and no one I've run across is versed enough to explain it to a layman.
I talked with Mr. Phelps earlier this year, and while very knowledgeable about Fuji and PPS in general - he really didn't have a clue about 2.0 and its implementation with H/O moving forward.? He gave the party line of "it's great, you need a different adapter for 2.0 for your gun; what do you want to order ? " ? He deflected when asked about specifics or details.?? My biggest beef was that his website had incorrect artwork/photos for the new 2.0 system.? He seemed unaware there was a difference and then said it didn't really matter, don;t worry about it.
In fairness , 2.0 was relatively new and hadn't gotten a lot of market penetration. Even 3M was sketchy with details. ?? But still, the experience put me off purchasing.
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Re: which water based poly for HVLP?
Imran H/O refers to a pressurized cup system for PPS. It's used to push through higher than normal viscosity finishes that don't atomize properly typically in turbine HVLP guns. IMHO and experience knowing how to thin finishes properly and measure viscosity is an important part of the spraying art.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: "imranindiana via groups.io" <imranindiana@...> Date: 2020-07-12 10:49 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP?
as a neophyte to ¡°assisted finishing¡± or as most say AF (hey, I just coined a new terminology that likely no one understands), i have been reading this thread and realizing the complexities involved.
the problem is that my brain shuts down when i do not understand something. i cannot find, at least easily, what the heck H/O stands for. i likely be ashamed with the seemingly obvious answer.
imran On Jul 11, 2020, at 11:20 PM, marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: ? It looks like they make a 22 oz H/O for my GXPC ?gun.? I don¡¯t recall seeing that before.? I think I¡¯ll give that a try rather than buying a new gun w/ PPS. ? ? ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 5:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP? ? If I need to spray in the tight space, I will use gravity feed gun with the small H/O cup with 6 oz liner. PPS 1.0 has only two liners, 28oz and 6 oz. PPS 2.0 has 5 different liners, still two H/O cups, large or midi, no small size. ? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 7:59 PM marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: What are the circumstances that determine which gun you select?? ? Thanks for the advice, James. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:30 PM
To: Felder Owner Group
Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP? ? Marty, I have Fuji bottom feed and gravity feed guns. Most of the time, I use the bottom feed gun with PPS 28oz liner. If I spray the same paint in a day, I cover the tip with the wet shop towel?and plastic when waiting for the paint?to dry. I always leave the leftover paint in the liner with H/O cup or hard cup (for the compressor driven gun) upside down.
I would suggest to get PPS 2.0 large H/O (28oz) kit first,?yes, buy a T70?gun. For spraying at the tight space, you can get Midi?(13.5oz) H/O kit for your gxpc gun. Anything less than 6oz is meant for repair work.?
? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 6:42 PM marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: I have the GXPC gun which has a very small cup.? It¡¯s nice because the cup can rotate so I can spray at any angle.? The downside is it doesn¡¯t hold much material.? Does the small cup size reduce the benefits of the PPS system?? I¡¯m wondering if I should get a T70 with PPS? ? ? Differences are : 2 lid sizes fit all containers.? Graduation /mix ratios on cup - not a sleeve.? New gun interfaces/ adapters Larger reservoir below filter.? and - someone more knowledgeable chime in please - the pressurized cups that allow you to spray at any angle have changed/ gone away/ become more limited. ? I can¡¯t really get a straight answer from anyone at 3M or distributor.? ? ? On Jul 11, 2020, at 12:23 AM, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote: ?Looks like I have 1.0, I didn't even know they released 2.0! I'll have to check out the differences to see if it's a worthwhile upgrade.?
FWIW, I too have the Mini Mite 4 with the T70 gun. Great system.
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Re: which water based poly for HVLP?
David,
When you talked to Mr. Phelps earlier this year, did he have the PPS 2.0 kit on his website??
I would be very surprised that the PPS 2.0 kit he sells now ()?does not work with PPS 2.0 liner and lid., it clearly states the kit has new adaptor and new H/O cup.
You can buy PPS 2.0 for your turbine driven gun from other companies, check the following thread.
?
James?
[Edited Message Follows]
Can someone knowledgeable please explain how 2.0 deals with the H/O cups now?? It appears there is still no new dedicated H/O cup with the new lid ??? And , you cannot reliably use the smaller liners in the larger H/O cup ?? I'm still rather perplexed and no one I've run across is versed enough to explain it to a layman.
I talked with Mr. Phelps earlier this year, and while very knowledgeable about Fuji and PPS in general - he really didn't have a clue about 2.0 and its implementation with H/O moving forward.? He gave the party line of "it's great, you need a different adapter for 2.0 for your gun; what do you want to order ? " ? He deflected when asked about specifics or details.?? My biggest beef was that his website had incorrect artwork/photos for the new 2.0 system.? He seemed unaware there was a difference and then said it didn't really matter, don;t worry about it.
In fairness , 2.0 was relatively new and hadn't gotten a lot of market penetration. Even 3M was sketchy with details. ?? But still, the experience put me off purchasing.
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Re: which water based poly for HVLP?
Target sells a great waterborne?shellac that seals well and sprays with turbine HVLP machines. It does have some colour (amber) in it but it tends to be neutralized by the bluish cast of most waterborne polyurethanes. Target's sealer is clear, but top coated with most urethanes it tends to leave a blue cast to it particularly in raking light. I have enough of the old stock 3M PPS system cups etc. so I don't know anything about the the new PPS system. I prefer to use my pressure pot for most projects I don't spray solvent based coatings, but I do have an up coming?project (front door) to finish with Fine Paints of Europe and I am thinking of buying a compressor based gun for solvents.
Bill when I'm continually spraying for a couple of days and running WB clear coats I leave the product loaded and just top up when needed. I only clean if there's?a problem and at the end of spraying. Running shellac is great because it melts itself, same as vinyl sealer. Pigmented is a different story sometimes needs flushing after every cup. Clean up with gravity guns is a breeze and I never use bottom feeders too much of a PIA. Also as a note I don't use or believe in turbine guns which a lot of you call HVLP, I know a lot of people swear by them but I'm a compressor only HVLP gun guy.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 12:54 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: John, do you completely disassemble the gun to clean it or just run the solvent through it?
Bill B¨¦langer
Get the PPS system and its a piece of cake. In a gravity gun about an 1/8 of a cup of solvent at most. For shellac even easier because you typically clean with ethanol. Its more of a pain when you are using a 2 1/2 gal. Pressure Pot but that's reserved for WB only.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-07-10 12:05 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP?
The only hesitation I have to spraying oil based stuff is the cleaning of the sprayer...
Bill B¨¦langer When I have to spray WB clears I first spray with solvent based vinyl sealer or Zinnser seal coat or a homemade shellac first to pop the grain and bring out the colour then top coat with both mentioned clears. The nice part is the seal coat shellac and vinyl sealer can be toned with Colour FX or Trans tint dyes.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-07-10 11:31 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP?
In my experience, water based anything on walnut is atrocious leading to an anemic looking walnut. Oil and wax finishes are king.? Taylor Donsker 818.424.9046 On Jul 10, 2020, at 6:25 AM, marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote:
? Thanks Jason.? On Jul 10, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? I use General Finishes Enduro Var. I like it a lot, with the exception of on walnut. It makes the color look washed out and grey. I looked into the Sayerlack a couple years ago but it was kind of a hassle despite having an Industrial SW warehouse nearby. Jason Holtz
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Re: which water based poly for HVLP?
as a neophyte to ¡°assisted finishing¡± or as most say AF (hey, I just coined a new terminology that likely no one understands), i have been reading this thread and realizing the complexities involved.
the problem is that my brain shuts down when i do not understand something. i cannot find, at least easily, what the heck H/O stands for. i likely be ashamed with the seemingly obvious answer.
imran
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On Jul 11, 2020, at 11:20 PM, marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: ? It looks like they make a 22 oz H/O for my GXPC ?gun.? I don¡¯t recall seeing that before.? I think I¡¯ll give that a try rather than buying a new gun w/ PPS. ? ? ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Zhu
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Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP? ? If I need to spray in the tight space, I will use gravity feed gun with the small H/O cup with 6 oz liner. PPS 1.0 has only two liners, 28oz and 6 oz. PPS 2.0 has 5 different liners, still two H/O cups, large or midi, no small size. ? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 7:59 PM marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: What are the circumstances that determine which gun you select?? ? Thanks for the advice, James. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP? ? Marty, I have Fuji bottom feed and gravity feed guns. Most of the time, I use the bottom feed gun with PPS 28oz liner. If I spray the same paint in a day, I cover the tip with the wet shop towel?and plastic when waiting for the paint?to dry. I always leave the leftover paint in the liner with H/O cup or hard cup (for the compressor driven gun) upside down.
I would suggest to get PPS 2.0 large H/O (28oz) kit first,?yes, buy a T70?gun. For spraying at the tight space, you can get Midi?(13.5oz) H/O kit for your gxpc gun. Anything less than 6oz is meant for repair work.?
? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 6:42 PM marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: I have the GXPC gun which has a very small cup.? It¡¯s nice because the cup can rotate so I can spray at any angle.? The downside is it doesn¡¯t hold much material.? Does the small cup size reduce the benefits of the PPS system?? I¡¯m wondering if I should get a T70 with PPS? ? ? Differences are : 2 lid sizes fit all containers.? Graduation /mix ratios on cup - not a sleeve.? New gun interfaces/ adapters Larger reservoir below filter.? and - someone more knowledgeable chime in please - the pressurized cups that allow you to spray at any angle have changed/ gone away/ become more limited. ? I can¡¯t really get a straight answer from anyone at 3M or distributor.? ? ? On Jul 11, 2020, at 12:23 AM, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote: ?Looks like I have 1.0, I didn't even know they released 2.0! I'll have to check out the differences to see if it's a worthwhile upgrade.?
FWIW, I too have the Mini Mite 4 with the T70 gun. Great system.
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Re: which water based poly for HVLP?
Can someone knowledgeable please explain how 2.0 deals with the H/O cups now?? It appears there is still no new dedicated H/O cup with the new lid ??? And , you cannot reliably use the smaller liners in the larger H/O cup ?? I'm still rather perplexed and no one I've run across is versed enough to explain it to a layman.
I talked with Mr. Phelps earlier this year, and while very knowledgeable about Fuji and PPS in general - he really didn't have a clue about 2.0 and its implementation with H/O moving forward.? He gave the party line of "it's great, you need a different adapter for 2.0 for your gun; what do you want to order ? " ? He deflected when asked about specifics or details.?? My biggest beef was that his website had incorrect artwork/photos for the new 2.0 system.? He seemed unaware there was a difference and then said it didn't really matter, don;t worry about it.
In fairness , 2.0 was relatively new and hadn't gotten a lot of market penetration. Even 3M was sketchy with details. ?? But still, the experience put me off purchasing.
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Re: which water based poly for HVLP?
It looks like they make a 22 oz H/O for my GXPC ?gun.? I don¡¯t recall seeing that before.? I think I¡¯ll give that a try rather than buying a new gun w/ PPS. ? ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 5:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP? ? If I need to spray in the tight space, I will use gravity feed gun with the small H/O cup with 6 oz liner. PPS 1.0 has only two liners, 28oz and 6 oz. PPS 2.0 has 5 different liners, still two H/O cups, large or midi, no small size. ? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 7:59 PM marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: What are the circumstances that determine which gun you select?? ? Thanks for the advice, James. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:30 PM
To: Felder Owner Group
Subject: Re: [FOG] which water based poly for HVLP? ? Marty, I have Fuji bottom feed and gravity feed guns. Most of the time, I use the bottom feed gun with PPS 28oz liner. If I spray the same paint in a day, I cover the tip with the wet shop towel?and plastic when waiting for the paint?to dry. I always leave the leftover paint in the liner with H/O cup or hard cup (for the compressor driven gun) upside down.
I would suggest to get PPS 2.0 large H/O (28oz) kit first,?yes, buy a T70?gun. For spraying at the tight space, you can get Midi?(13.5oz) H/O kit for your gxpc gun. Anything less than 6oz is meant for repair work.?
? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 6:42 PM marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote: I have the GXPC gun which has a very small cup.? It¡¯s nice because the cup can rotate so I can spray at any angle.? The downside is it doesn¡¯t hold much material.? Does the small cup size reduce the benefits of the PPS system?? I¡¯m wondering if I should get a T70 with PPS? ? ? Differences are : 2 lid sizes fit all containers.? Graduation /mix ratios on cup - not a sleeve.? New gun interfaces/ adapters Larger reservoir below filter.? and - someone more knowledgeable chime in please - the pressurized cups that allow you to spray at any angle have changed/ gone away/ become more limited. ? I can¡¯t really get a straight answer from anyone at 3M or distributor.? ? ? On Jul 11, 2020, at 12:23 AM, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote: ?Looks like I have 1.0, I didn't even know they released 2.0! I'll have to check out the differences to see if it's a worthwhile upgrade.?
FWIW, I too have the Mini Mite 4 with the T70 gun. Great system.
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