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Re: What options should I get on my machine?

 

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Chris,

i probably make same decision on length compensation vs DRO on xcut unless your work involved a ton of std angled cuts.

as for 3ph, IMHO, by all means go for it if you intend to have multiple machines with large HP. if you only intend to have one machine and your work can be done with single phase than that money could be used to do other upgrades like power drive or consider digidrive for shaper, assuming it is available on your machine. single phase machine generally is easier to resell and has higher resale price.

Something else to be aware, take it with a grain of salt, as i am new to the overhead saw guard and outrigger.?while it is generally not an issue with ripping, xcutting on outrigger can result in tear out without a sacrificial fence. i am sure there are efficient and safe solutions but I have not yet had time to look into it. because i am familiar with short xcut fence (from my KF experience) I currently plan to just add a sacrificial fence extension to my short xcut fence on K975.

for your other question most here use fritz & franz jig for material that is too small to safely cut.?keep in mind that besides the flipstop being on the left side,?with overhead sawguard the xcut fences are ~2¡± away from the blade.?so something else like F&F is needed to register/hold material that cannot be safely cut otherwise. that is another thing i need to make. if the material can be placed against the fence, a block of known length can be used to overcome the flipstop reach.

imran?

On Aug 20, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Chris Souter <Cjsouter@...> wrote:

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So I decided to ditch the length compensation and trade it for the DRO on the outrigger.?
Seems like the consensus is to go for electric scoring. Wasn¡¯t much of a cost upgrade.
I¡¯ll add a aftermarket on the rip fence to the right of the blade later down the road.
My question is how does everyone cope with cutting smaller pieces since the stop is set to the left of the dro. Besides spending another $1100 for a second digital stop.

a few have convinced me to go three phase so I think I¡¯m going to take that plunge.?

Just still deciding on power drive.


Re: Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention

 

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I guess it¡¯s different with phase converters.?? My wireless voltage sensor identifies L3 at my (phase converter) panel as being high.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joe Jensen
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 4:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention

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I read that the high leg was supposed to be Leg ¡°B¡± in the panel and marked orange.? I have utility 3 phase and the panels were installed by a commercial electrician and the ¡°B¡± leg is indeed marked orange in my panels and in the service entrance.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of anton Stayduhar
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:39 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention

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High leg in the middle??? I¡¯ve always been told to connect it to L3,? and I do on all my 3 phase machines.?? We use? Phase Perfect by ?Phase Technologies solid state converters,? not rotaries.?? Made in South Dakota,? they use IGBTs as power devices.?? I have one rated 20 HP and another at 30 HP.?? We¡¯ve used these every work day since 2005.?? They perform flawlessly, and are more energy efficient than rotaries,?? additionally producing a cleaner waveform.

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Anton Stayduhar

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of mark thomas
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention

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The convention is high leg in the middle:

A-B-C?
X-Y-Z


Re: K975 under table dust extraction problem.

 
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interesting, mine uses 125mm. maybe a usa vs eu difference or the yr of manufacture. my k975 is from 2006.
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imran?

On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:29 PM, glenhyrst <phil_moger@...> wrote:

Imran - the 120mm diameter is the correct fit but I happened to have a length of the more compressible 4" and used adaptors.
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And to Lucky too, I fear I have not been as successful as I had hoped.? Certainly the compressible hose stays put in all positions of the saw unit BUT unfortunately the modest S bend in the hose at the 0deg position will surely trap whatever offcuts get past the sawblade and need frequent clearing.
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I contacted Felder in the UK and they did not shed any light on the situation.
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Phil


Re: What options should I get on my machine?

 

So I decided to ditch the length compensation and trade it for the DRO on the outrigger.?
Seems like the consensus is to go for electric scoring. Wasn¡¯t much of a cost upgrade.
I¡¯ll add a aftermarket on the rip fence to the right of the blade later down the road.
My question is how does everyone cope with cutting smaller pieces since the stop is set to the left of the dro. Besides spending another $1100 for a second digital stop.

a few have convinced me to go three phase so I think I¡¯m going to take that plunge.?

Just still deciding on power drive.


Re: Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention

 

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I prefer to use orange wire on terminal B - it goes faster than using black or red on B. ? LOL

David Best

https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/





On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:11 PM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:

I read that the high leg was supposed to be Leg ¡°B¡± in the panel and marked orange.? I have utility 3 phase and the panels were installed by a commercial electrician and the ¡°B¡± leg is indeed marked orange in my panels and in the service entrance.
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From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?anton Stayduhar
Sent:?Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:39 AM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [FOG] Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention
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High leg in the middle??? I¡¯ve always been told to connect it to L3,? and I do on all my 3 phase machines.?? We use? Phase Perfect by ?Phase Technologies solid state converters,? not rotaries.?? Made in South Dakota,? they use IGBTs as power devices.?? I have one rated 20 HP and another at 30 HP.?? We¡¯ve used these every work day since 2005.?? They perform flawlessly, and are more energy efficient than rotaries,?? additionally producing a cleaner waveform.
?
Anton Stayduhar
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From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?mark thomas
Sent:?Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:44 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [FOG] Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention
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The convention is high leg in the middle:

A-B-C?
X-Y-Z?



Re: Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention

 

We should clarify terms "middle" and "B" and "high".

The "high" leg?by definition is?the 208v to ground leg.??
The NEC requires high leg to be Orange.

There is no requirement for labeling (A, B, C, L1, L2, L3 etc) or positioning in diagrams or physical panels.? But there are conventions.??

The most common transformer diagram labels the phases A, B, C, like below, labeling the high leg as "B" tap on the transformer.? This also places it in the "middle", since it's a triangle. But again this is just a common convention, not a requirement.? So it's common to put the high leg as the "middle" of breakers and panel lugs.? ?You won't see people using ABC as labels and putting A or C as high.? No law against it, but no one does that.??




But this is not uncommon either, where L3 is the high leg. Note it's spatially in the "middle", but not numerically in the middle:




Then there's Joe's question of how to map phases to NEMA plug blades, which typically label the blades X, Y, Z.?

I think A-B-C -> X-Y-Z is common and intuitive, but nothing wrong with L1-L2-L3 > X-Y-Z.





Re: Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention

 

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Joe,

I have utility 3 phase and that is hw the electricians marked and installed my stinger leg too.

Joe in New Orleans



On Aug 19, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:

I read that the high leg was supposed to be Leg ¡°B¡± in the panel and marked orange.? I have utility 3 phase and the panels were installed by a commercial electrician and the ¡°B¡± leg is indeed marked orange in my panels and in the service entrance.
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From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?anton Stayduhar
Sent:?Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:39 AM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [FOG] Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention
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High leg in the middle??? I¡¯ve always been told to connect it to L3,? and I do on all my 3 phase machines.?? We use? Phase Perfect by ?Phase Technologies solid state converters,? not rotaries.?? Made in South Dakota,? they use IGBTs as power devices.?? I have one rated 20 HP and another at 30 HP.?? We¡¯ve used these every work day since 2005.?? They perform flawlessly, and are more energy efficient than rotaries,?? additionally producing a cleaner waveform.
?
Anton Stayduhar
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From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?mark thomas
Sent:?Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:44 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [FOG] Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention
?
The convention is high leg in the middle:

A-B-C?
X-Y-Z?



Re: Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention

 

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I read that the high leg was supposed to be Leg ¡°B¡± in the panel and marked orange.? I have utility 3 phase and the panels were installed by a commercial electrician and the ¡°B¡± leg is indeed marked orange in my panels and in the service entrance.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of anton Stayduhar
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:39 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention

?

High leg in the middle??? I¡¯ve always been told to connect it to L3,? and I do on all my 3 phase machines.?? We use? Phase Perfect by ?Phase Technologies solid state converters,? not rotaries.?? Made in South Dakota,? they use IGBTs as power devices.?? I have one rated 20 HP and another at 30 HP.?? We¡¯ve used these every work day since 2005.?? They perform flawlessly, and are more energy efficient than rotaries,?? additionally producing a cleaner waveform.

?

Anton Stayduhar

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of mark thomas
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention

?

The convention is high leg in the middle:

A-B-C?
X-Y-Z


Re: Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention

 

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High leg in the middle??? I¡¯ve always been told to connect it to L3,? and I do on all my 3 phase machines.?? We use? Phase Perfect by ?Phase Technologies solid state converters,? not rotaries.?? Made in South Dakota,? they use IGBTs as power devices.?? I have one rated 20 HP and another at 30 HP.?? We¡¯ve used these every work day since 2005.?? They perform flawlessly, and are more energy efficient than rotaries,?? additionally producing a cleaner waveform.

?

Anton Stayduhar

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of mark thomas
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention

?

The convention is high leg in the middle:

A-B-C?
X-Y-Z


Re: K975 under table dust extraction problem.

 

Imran - the 120mm diameter is the correct fit but I happened to have a length of the more compressible 4" and used adaptors.
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And to Lucky too, I fear I have not been as successful as I had hoped.? Certainly the compressible hose stays put in all positions of the saw unit BUT unfortunately the modest S bend in the hose at the 0deg position will surely trap whatever offcuts get past the sawblade and need frequent clearing.
?
I contacted Felder in the UK and they did not shed any light on the situation.
?
Phil


Re: Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention

 

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thanks

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Re: Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention

 

The convention is high leg in the middle:

A-B-C?
X-Y-Z


Re: Wanted

 

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these are all my search found:



imran

On Aug 19, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Al Lajiness via groups.io <lajiness@...> wrote:

?Hi,
Time for my semi annual ask.
I'm looking for a Hammer A3 31, A3 41 or maybe a Felder AD 531.
Anyone out there have one for sale or maybe knows of someone who does?
Thanks,
Al


Wanted

 

Hi,
Time for my semi annual ask.
I'm looking for a Hammer A3 31, A3 41 or maybe a Felder AD 531.
Anyone out there have one for sale or maybe knows of someone who does?
Thanks,
Al


Re: Need advice on CF731 #repair

Mark Koury
 

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Once you stalled it, did you disengage the drive? What happens is that the rubber on the outer side of the drive wheel becomes dented from the constant contact (and no movement). It then thumps for a while when you use it. It will eventually quiet down with use. At some point if you seem not to have enough torque to drive a piece of lumber you may need to replace the outer rubber. I¡¯m told that it¡¯s not that hard. I have the a similar machine from 1998 - have not had to replace the rubber. Sometimes it thumps sometimes not - but it still works.

Mark

On Aug 18, 2020, at 11:39 PM, ebell3302 <ebell7500@...> wrote:

I have a 2003 CF731. Today I was running an 11" x 2.75" white oak plank through the thickness plane. I measured both ends and set the table to take what I thought was going to be .010" off the fat end. I didn't realize the center of the board was fatter than the ends and I stalled the motor, which tripped the thermal overload. After the motor cooled off I was able to restart the motor but now I have a knocking noise that seems to be in the drive assembly. In natural, with the motor running, there is no noise. In low speed I hear a regular knocking noise that becomes faster when shifting into high speed.?
Any suggestions about where to start looking for the cause and how to correct whatever damage I have caused?


Re: Need advice on CF731 #repair

 

It is probably your drive wheel that was engaged during the planing operation. You have gain access to that area and look for deformation of the rubber on the outer portion of the wheel. It is fastened by two bolts, and order a replacement.


Need advice on CF731 #repair

 

I have a 2003 CF731. Today I was running an 11" x 2.75" white oak plank through the thickness plane. I measured both ends and set the table to take what I thought was going to be .010" off the fat end. I didn't realize the center of the board was fatter than the ends and I stalled the motor, which tripped the thermal overload. After the motor cooled off I was able to restart the motor but now I have a knocking noise that seems to be in the drive assembly. In natural, with the motor running, there is no noise. In low speed I hear a regular knocking noise that becomes faster when shifting into high speed.?
Any suggestions about where to start looking for the cause and how to correct whatever damage I have caused?


Re: K975 under table dust extraction problem.

 

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glen, is that a typo or your machine accepts 4¡± hose for this location?

imran?

On Aug 18, 2020, at 12:08 PM, glenhyrst <phil_moger@...> wrote:

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I can report having resolved my under table K975 hose problem by using 4¡± diameter flexible hose that compresses along its length by 50%.? This contrasts markedly with the hose I have from Felder which is of the heavier type and which compresses very little along its length ¨C perhaps an inch per foot.?

Without this feature there is much distortion of the hose when the saw is moved from 45deg to 0deg.?

I cannot explain why others, Lucky excluded, seem not to share this problem which involves the hose separating from the saw unit when angled.? ?

In Imran¡¯s case his pics show considerable longitudinal compression but how David Best has managed I know not. Perhaps the Felder hose specs have changed over time?

I found that a 38¡± length of hose does the trick although with moderate ¡°S-bending¡± at 0deg which will no doubt hasten the decay of the plastic.?

Phil?



Another OCD question on 3 Phase wire convention

 

I have utility delta 3 phase with a high leg.? It's correctly connected to leg "B" in the panels and labeled orange.? I am pulling black, red, and orange conductors to the receptacle as well as ground.? The Hubbell receptacle has X, Y, and Z terminals.? I'd like to wire all the outlets the same.? Is there a standard for which terminal would be the high/wild leg or leg "B"?? My gut says "Z"


Re: For Sale:Felder Tilt Bracket and Power Feeder Lift

 

it came of 2007 CF741. per felder eshop brackets are same past 2007.

look for a private msg from me for more details.

imran

On Aug 18, 2020, at 3:56 PM, Chris Souter <Cjsouter@...> wrote:

?Imran
What year and model machine is it from? I¡¯m looking at buying a new kf700sp so wondering if it would work.
Could you also tell me ur location and rough dimensions?
Want to see shipping costs. I know ups has a flat rate ground shipping.
Chris
On Aug 18, 2020, at 2:57 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?i have a Felder Tilt Bracket (like new) and complete hardware to install the gas strut lift. Both available for $175 + shipping.

the tilt bracket came from FOG member Mike H is available $50 which is what i paid for having it shipped to me. $125 for the gas strut hardware and custom bracket.

you can pick from the two custom brackets. one has an imperfection that you can see better by zooming in. they are 3/8¡± steel, primed and all holes are tapped.


imran



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