Re: pedestal base help

Thanks for sharing, Mac.

Jason,

My approach would be to model this part up on the computer to figure out all of the jigging and fixtures. A circle will be far less headaches than an ellipse. Building in sections and then fitting all together seems like a manageable approach.

Re: additional support in the long dimension. Are you concerned that it might sag on the long ends over time?

I like the hollow torsion box idea to shave some weight and movement, especially with the metal band around it.

Steve

Re: How to connect a 400-800 Morticing unit to a Felder BF5-31

#138864

Many thanks Jonathan. Hopefully Felder will still have some that fit my machine, I'll contact them now.

Davide

Re: pedestal base help

#138863

Hey Jason

Looks like a really cool project. It seems like a balancing act between the width of the cove and the roundness of the overall base. ?

I thought that one way that I might approach this would be a 4th axis on my cnc with indexing like a lathe for the coves.? Or failing that a jig to hold and turn the cylinder for the coves with pins in the bottom of the base to hold the piece in place.? If the base were really wide you could do it in pieces and assemble after.?

Another way I thought of would be to power carve it, but that might be too rustic for your client.?

Cutting the coves first on a shaper as well. But then you are left with less of a circle depending on how wide the coves are, right?? Barrel staves are pretty thin usually.?

I’m really interested to see how you complete this project!?

Andy ??

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On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 8:58?PM Jason Holtz via <jholtzy=[email protected]> wrote:

Mac,?

Looks like Steven likes round stuff, but I don't see much that would be applicable. Thanks though!

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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture

Re: pedestal base help

#138862

Mac,?

Looks like Steven likes round stuff, but I don't see much that would be applicable. Thanks though!

Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406

Re: pedestal base help

#138861

Thanks for all the responses so far. PR? I think you are on to something there doing all the coving first on rectangular staves, then taper/bevel in one operation on the slider. I've done a number of coopered stave things in the past but never a complete barrel, and definitely not a tapered one. I've assembled a few staves at a time where clamps still work okay, then used Dominos for alignment to put sections together. Sometimes band clamps come in handy for that sort of thing.

Jonathan, so if it weighs a ton you think I'm fine with the 24" diameter? I'd love to avoid the headache of the ellipse angles.

Mac, who's Steve??

My top will have no metal band around it. That's just asking for trouble.

Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406

K700S Table saw for sale

#138860

Hi, don't mean to spam the group, but we are selling our table saw in case anyone is interested:

Feel free to reach out if you have any questions, but basically it's in good shape.? We are selling because it's a student shop and it just made sense to switch to a SawStop for safety purposes.?

-Trevor

Short crosscut fence inaccurate?

#138859

Hi All,

Just thought i would make a little video for those who have the short crosscut fence but are having difficulties with its accuracy. I don't have the issues that others have talked about, so thought i would show others how i go about putting the fence on and what i do to try to ensure repeatability when installing it. As i explain in the video, i don't really understand how the fence could not go back on in the same position each time so i hope this will help some users out.?

Regards,

Bryce

https://www.brycecomerwoodworks.com/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHdrRaAZd_pOa7wwbdNPUEw

Re: 160 mm dust collection ducting in the USA

#138858

开云体育

I agree with Brett’s suggestion on this. ?You’re better off sticking with imperial-sized rigid pipe to and including the blast gates, and necking down to metric at each machine where flex hose is involved. ?I have an RL-160 with a single 6” Nordfab pipe running though the shop, branching off to imperial-sized pipes and blast gates as you can see in the attached. ?Those branches in turn have blast gates, then a fitting to convert to metric for the flex-hose connections to the machine. ?

You didn’t identify the extractor you are using, but if it’s a Felder RL-series on 3-phase, the extractor impeller is running 20 percent faster than the design target due to the difference in 50 versus 60 hertz. ?Have you factored that into your thinking?

David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best

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On Dec 18, 2024, at 10:13?AM, Brett Wissel via groups.io <Brettwissel@...> wrote:

Correction - "static head will be even greater at 7" or 8"" should read "static head reductions will be even greater at 7" or 8"" .?

On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 12:08?PM Brett Wissel via <Brettwissel=[email protected]> wrote:
To add to conversation, might make more financial sense in USA to buy 7" (not common in my experience) or 8" than to spec a special metric order. The static head will be even greater at 7" or 8", however line velocity for carrying the load should not be ignored. My main system has 8" mains, 6" branches, and reduces at the tools to metric or otherwise FWIW, BUT, I have to have 2 branches open minimum at all times to keep enough velocity to flush.

On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 8:32?AM KRPatel via <kamalsonal=[email protected]> wrote:
Hey Michael,

?

I just installed a DC system and sourced all of my quick connect ducting from the Blast Gate Co. () in Michigan.? They are incredibly well priced vs. others and were able to make custom reducers from imperial to metric and also carried metric hose to make connections to my machines (AD741, FB510, K700S, F700Z, HS950) easy.?

?

Regarding your inlet being 160mm, Blast Gate can make a custom fitting/machine adaptor for this and then make recommendations on using their imperial QC ducting with metric reducers as I mentioned.?

?

I would suggest you tell them how high ;) you are along with the specs of your DC and machines and they can draw up plans (at no cost btw).

?

Kamal Patel

?

--
Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110

314.772.2167
brett@...

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Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110

314.772.2167
brett@...

Dust Collection Shop Layout.pdf

Re: Adjusting Phase Perfect?

#138857

John you certainly should not do anything without their permission and if you’re not comfortable doing something like this. You have a brand new machine under warranty, so hopefully Felder will address this quickly. The good thing is that this is a simple thing to fix even if the brake board has to be replaced.?

Mariusz

Re: pedestal base help

#138856

开云体育

Jason?

You might contact Steve this is his cup of tea!?

martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell

airtightclamps@...

Designing and building for 50 years

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On Dec 18, 2024, at 11:35?AM, TMichael WARD via groups.io <tmikko@...> wrote:

nted it. Table continued to shrink (less

Re: Adjusting Phase Perfect?

#138855

Interesting stuff, Mariusz.

I’m hoping Felder just takes care of this, and quickly. I do not feel very comfortable fooling with this stuff, even though I have done simple things years ago such as building (assembling, really) computers. I would need some very careful guidance in order to to do something like this.

One of the last messages from the tech, after he had me open the cabinet and send a picture, was “Do not touch anything please”

John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941

Re: 160 mm dust collection ducting in the USA

#138854

Correction - "static head will be even greater at 7" or 8"" should read "static head reductions will be even greater at 7" or 8"" .?

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On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 12:08?PM Brett Wissel via <Brettwissel=[email protected]> wrote:

To add to conversation, might make more financial sense in USA to buy 7" (not common in my experience) or 8" than to spec a special metric order. The static head will be even greater at 7" or 8", however line velocity for carrying the load should not be ignored. My main system has 8" mains, 6" branches, and reduces at the tools to metric or otherwise FWIW, BUT, I have to have 2 branches open minimum at all times to keep enough velocity to flush.

On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 8:32?AM KRPatel via <kamalsonal=[email protected]> wrote:
Hey Michael,

?

I just installed a DC system and sourced all of my quick connect ducting from the Blast Gate Co. () in Michigan.? They are incredibly well priced vs. others and were able to make custom reducers from imperial to metric and also carried metric hose to make connections to my machines (AD741, FB510, K700S, F700Z, HS950) easy.?

?

Regarding your inlet being 160mm, Blast Gate can make a custom fitting/machine adaptor for this and then make recommendations on using their imperial QC ducting with metric reducers as I mentioned.?

?

I would suggest you tell them how high ;) you are along with the specs of your DC and machines and they can draw up plans (at no cost btw).

?

Kamal Patel

?

--
Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110

314.772.2167
brett@...

Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110

314.772.2167
brett@...

Re: 160 mm dust collection ducting in the USA

#138853

To add to conversation, might make more financial sense in USA to buy 7" (not common in my experience) or 8" than to spec a special metric order. The static head will be even greater at 7" or 8", however line velocity for carrying the load should not be ignored. My main system has 8" mains, 6" branches, and reduces at the tools to metric or otherwise FWIW, BUT, I have to have 2 branches open minimum at all times to keep enough velocity to flush.

Show quoted text

On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 8:32?AM KRPatel via <kamalsonal=[email protected]> wrote:

Hey Michael,

?

I just installed a DC system and sourced all of my quick connect ducting from the Blast Gate Co. () in Michigan.? They are incredibly well priced vs. others and were able to make custom reducers from imperial to metric and also carried metric hose to make connections to my machines (AD741, FB510, K700S, F700Z, HS950) easy.?

?

Regarding your inlet being 160mm, Blast Gate can make a custom fitting/machine adaptor for this and then make recommendations on using their imperial QC ducting with metric reducers as I mentioned.?

?

I would suggest you tell them how high ;) you are along with the specs of your DC and machines and they can draw up plans (at no cost btw).

?

Kamal Patel

?

Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110

314.772.2167
brett@...

Re: pedestal base help

#138852

I long ago made a 4inch thick end-grain oval table about 36" x 44" with a 3/16 x 1.24” brass band inset into the edge.  It was beautiful at first. And the table top was from 10 year old hard wood from heavy machinery pallets shipped from the midwest, air dried outside.  

The table proceeded to shrink leaving the metal gapping out. Two years later, I took off the band, shortened and remounted it. Table continued to shrink (less this time) more the year after - more gapping, so finally I abandoned the metal band and live with the groove

Mike Ward

Re: pedestal base help

#138851

Jason, you do beautiful work. I enjoy seeing your projects on FB

Re: pedestal base help

#138850

It looks to me like the band is copper, quite likely very thin too. On top of that is the fact that it is recessed in the edge, so any amount of movement is likely hidden.

As for the base, perhaps you could shape and taper your staves first then biscuit them for alignment and glue up with some plywood rings, not unlike how a cooper would make a barrel.

I will be interested to hear which way you approach it and how you get on.

Regards,

Bryce

https://www.brycecomerwoodworks.com/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHdrRaAZd_pOa7wwbdNPUEw

Re: pedestal base help

#138849

Jason,

Seems like that formula is missing a weight component.? My mom had a 72" dia kitchen table with a cast iron pedestal that was about 24" dia.? It was stable because the pedestal was wicked heavy with most of the weight at the base.? ? Picture a 50lb child climbing up on the table next to a case of red wine. If the proportions look good to you, add the sand tubes.

Re: Aigner Filling Strip

#138848

Imran,

Long stock has its challenges too. We all know the Felder jointer is perfect for spring joints, even though 99.9999% people just want the damn flat result, LOL.

James

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On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 11:19?AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi James,

I failed to mention that what I stated has happened to me multiple times with long stock 8-10 ft. I tried my best to vary PF angle, which is not hard to do, with no 100% guarantees.

In general, during stock prep, if the boards allows I keep them long. On my current project, I had 6 ~10’ sticks and various other length amounting to over 150’ total. I ran this 2.25” wide stock (small amount of 1.25” wide stock for short drawers) with no issues and it took much less time than having to feed shorter pieces.

Anyhow, as I mentioned to Cornelius, and Joe confirmed, these are not required. There are lots of ways to get the job done. Including the use of various jigs like the one you shared.

Imran Malik

On Dec 18, 2024, at 10:28?AM, James Zhu via <james.zhu2=[email protected]> wrote:

Imran,

It is interesting that what I found is that the trailing end sometimes actually gets pulled into the cutter a little bit for the short piece.

Aigner accessories are nice and expensive. But things can get done without it. I really like the Bradshaw joinery?youtube channel, he does not have Aigner gears, but he does beautiful work. Here below he talked about the false fence on the shaper.

James

On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 9:54?AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Cornelius,

Felder in USA, does sell Aigner pressure modules and the associated wheels. As for PF being enough, well it is most of the times. When edge profiling, the trailing end sometimes moves away from the cutter.?It usually is not a concern if the end can be trimmed but sometimes that is not an option.?It is common to use an outboard fence to avoid this, so that is an option.

They are still useful when PF is not an option. I don’t have PF on my saw and band saw.

Lots of people do good work without these so I would not call them a necessity. Besides being not readily available they are also expensive, so you may consider starting without them and determine if you need them or not. I do not know if you are a hobby or a commercial user and that makes a difference as well.

One thing is for sure, the FOG moto can easily be, “We help you spend your money” ?

Imran Malik

On Dec 18, 2024, at 4:40?AM, Cornelius via <Cornelius=[email protected]> wrote:

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Thank you all for your feedback.?

?

Imran, you use the pressure rollers in conjunction with your power feeder? I am only now ordering my power feeder and was under the impression that it would provide sufficient pressure against the fence, if set up properly? Purchasing pressure rollers and the necessary p-channel adapters, mounting bars, etc would be a whole new consideration for me. Not to mention that I live in a country (island) where nothing is available locally and since Felder does not sell these Aigner items, I would need to first find a suitable place to purchase from. Where I live you cannot even buy the Felder recommended EP2 grease locally, everything has to be imported (so a tube of grease ends up costing 40-50Euro).

?

Cornelius

Cyprus