replacing a sliding table saw with a CNC router
Hi,
I am trying to find a replacement for my sliding table saw that takes less space but still allows to build hardwood furnitures, builtins, closet systems, kitchen cabinets.. I am not interested in a standard table saw and I plan to keep my jointer/planer, miter saw for some of the hardwood task. I know that CNC routers with flat bed are really good for cabinet box/sheet good, but it seems that the new machines with some pod tables are able to manage hardwood too. I am not a production shop, just looking to see if I can reduce the footprint (2 times the sliding table length, the rip capacity and the outrigger).
If anyone has insight on using a CNC for sheet good and hardwood and would like to share, I will appreciate. In term of machines, I am looking at middle to high end version from Shopsabre, CAmaster, Freedom Patriot as they all offer compact design for a 4x8 table.
I know that there is a learning curve from software and cutting technics (flow, order, tooling, holding parts), but as hobbyist I do not see any issue with that.
Thanks for all feedback,
Bill
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Re: Selling my Hammer equip?
right now manufacturer's costs are skyrocketing
There isn't enough of anything?? because of the last 18 months
You sell now?? you will find replacing them? will be a ferociously?
expensive
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On 5/19/21 1:54 PM, Someone wrote: Hi all,
I have a call into my rep at Felder, but wanted to ask here as well.
I have a 12¡± A3-31 Hammer Jointer/Planer and a Hammer N4400 17¡± amongst my woodworking tools that I¡¯m planning to sell soon. Bought New in 2013 if I recall correctly. Lovingly used lightly; the A3/31 still has the original cutting blades which are still sharp - used mostly on curly maple, walnut and a few other exotics. Have new upgraded blades ready to insert as well.
Bandsaw has about same amount of use. And multiple blades for a variety of use.
Don¡¯t need to sell, but would like to to start fresh in a new shop in a year or two. Doesn¡¯t make sense to store them, when I know good machines are sparse in availability right now. Would rather see them being put to use by someone more productive.
Upgraded both machines to accept the Hammer table extensions (have long and short). Professionally wired by a master electrician.
Best way to sell and ideas on price? I live in VA, USA if it matters.
Cheers,
Kelcey
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You are right, it is not that difficult to make pneumatics work for clamping. Making them look pretty can take some effort though, depending upon the design.
Glad you like your Big Squeeze clamps. Big Squeeze 2 club has 30 some members but only 3 in the Big Squeeze 3. So your¡¯s are rare ?
Imran
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On May 22, 2021, at 5:00 AM, Brian Greene <Brian@...> wrote: ? Imran,
That¡¯s your awesome clamp coming in from the top, and the little flat ones were Amazon.
McMaster for all the fittings.
The whole ¡°make some pneumatic clamps work¡± turned out somewhat easier than I thought, and I¡¯ve plans for them a few other places (with a foot valve)
Thanks, Brian Sent from a device with less than stellar autocorrect On May 21, 2021, at 11:03 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Brian,
Looks pretty good to me. What is the source of cylinders? I have not seen this type.
Imran
On May 21, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Brian Greene <Brian@...> wrote:
? I made this based on some inspiration here.
Bolts on with 1 bolt and I like it a lot better than the countermax. ?Maybe $70 In clamps and valve etc.
Sent from a device with less than stellar autocorrect On May 21, 2021, at 4:54 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
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Imran, I thought the PanelCrafter was for the arches. ?
James, I looked up the Weaver, which seemed a bit different and made to work with their machinery and run in a slot. ?
As for Mac, I will alert him to this thread and maybe he will have some thoughts on a pneumatic airsled. ?Perhaps such a product would work well with router tables also.
Thanks!
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Re: Selling my Hammer equip?
What are you looking at for the bandsaw setup?
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Imran,
That¡¯s your awesome clamp coming in from the top, and the little flat ones were Amazon.
McMaster for all the fittings.
The whole ¡°make some pneumatic clamps work¡± turned out somewhat easier than I thought, and I¡¯ve plans for them a few other places (with a foot valve)
Thanks, Brian Sent from a device with less than stellar autocorrect
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On May 21, 2021, at 11:03 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Brian,
Looks pretty good to me. What is the source of cylinders? I have not seen this type.
Imran
On May 21, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Brian Greene <Brian@...> wrote:
? I made this based on some inspiration here.
Bolts on with 1 bolt and I like it a lot better than the countermax. ?Maybe $70 In clamps and valve etc.
Sent from a device with less than stellar autocorrect On May 21, 2021, at 4:54 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
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Imran, I thought the PanelCrafter was for the arches. ?
James, I looked up the Weaver, which seemed a bit different and made to work with their machinery and run in a slot. ?
As for Mac, I will alert him to this thread and maybe he will have some thoughts on a pneumatic airsled. ?Perhaps such a product would work well with router tables also.
Thanks!
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Hi Brian,
Looks pretty good to me. What is the source of cylinders? I have not seen this type.
Imran
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On May 21, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Brian Greene <Brian@...> wrote: ? I made this based on some inspiration here.
Bolts on with 1 bolt and I like it a lot better than the countermax. ?Maybe $70 In clamps and valve etc.
Sent from a device with less than stellar autocorrect On May 21, 2021, at 4:54 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
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Imran, I thought the PanelCrafter was for the arches. ?
James, I looked up the Weaver, which seemed a bit different and made to work with their machinery and run in a slot. ?
As for Mac, I will alert him to this thread and maybe he will have some thoughts on a pneumatic airsled. ?Perhaps such a product would work well with router tables also.
Thanks!
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?Hi Joel,
Hmmm! maybe I did bid on two different jigs over time. I see weaver sells one for the arched rails/panels that looks like a copecrafter.
Imran
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On May 21, 2021, at 4:54 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote: ?
Imran, I thought the PanelCrafter was for the arches. ?
James, I looked up the Weaver, which seemed a bit different and made to work with their machinery and run in a slot. ?
As for Mac, I will alert him to this thread and maybe he will have some thoughts on a pneumatic airsled. ?Perhaps such a product would work well with router tables also.
Thanks!
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Re: Shaper with CopeCrafter and outboard fence and pressure jaws to make panels
I made this based on some inspiration here.
Bolts on with 1 bolt and I like it a lot better than the countermax. ?Maybe $70 In clamps and valve etc.
Sent from a device with less than stellar autocorrect
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On May 21, 2021, at 4:54 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
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Imran, I thought the PanelCrafter was for the arches. ?
James, I looked up the Weaver, which seemed a bit different and made to work with their machinery and run in a slot. ?
As for Mac, I will alert him to this thread and maybe he will have some thoughts on a pneumatic airsled. ?Perhaps such a product would work well with router tables also.
Thanks!
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Re: Shaper with CopeCrafter and outboard fence and pressure jaws to make panels
Imran, I thought the PanelCrafter was for the arches. ?
James, I looked up the Weaver, which seemed a bit different and made to work with their machinery and run in a slot. ?
As for Mac, I will alert him to this thread and maybe he will have some thoughts on a pneumatic airsled. ?Perhaps such a product would work well with router tables also.
Thanks!
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Joel,
Weaver makes a similar jig.?
James
It seems that CopeCrafter may be out of business.? They were made by Reliable Cutting Tools in Texas, and I can't reach them by phone or email and I can't find one new or used from any other source. ?
It seems to me that compared to a Aigner CounterMax and other jigs used for cope cuts, the CopeCrafter with the pneumatic clamp and airsled is a superior product.? I think it is unfortunate that I seem to be unable to buy one. ?
For cope cuts, I will be using the slider table and I will upgrade my clamps from Mac to have the horizontal and vertical clamp like David Zaret shows on his videos, but I think it would have been nice to have the CopeCrafter for times when I did not want to move that heavy slider to the shaper, bolt it down and square it etc.
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I bet Mac would make you the Copecrafter practically functioning, maybe even better, if you offer to pay for it. He might already know the story on them too!
It seems that CopeCrafter may be out of business.? They were made by Reliable Cutting Tools in Texas, and I can't reach them by phone or email and I can't find one new or used from any other source. ?
It seems to me that compared to a Aigner CounterMax and other jigs used for cope cuts, the CopeCrafter with the pneumatic clamp and airsled is a superior product.? I think it is unfortunate that I seem to be unable to buy one. ?
For cope cuts, I will be using the slider table and I will upgrade my clamps from Mac to have the horizontal and vertical clamp like David Zaret shows on his videos, but I think it would have been nice to have the CopeCrafter for times when I did not want to move that heavy slider to the shaper, bolt it down and square it etc.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Hi Joe,
I was going to reply earlier that I bid on copecrafter 2 or 3 times on Machinery Max. My primary interest was arch templates and since that is not my favorite style I was luke warm to the idea and?got outbid.?Haven¡¯t seen one in last 12 months. If I see one come up I will let you know.
Imran
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On May 21, 2021, at 1:49 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote: ?It seems that CopeCrafter may be out of business. ?They were made by Reliable Cutting Tools in Texas, and I can't reach them by phone or email and I can't find one new or used from any other source. ? It seems to me that compared to a Aigner CounterMax and other jigs used for cope cuts, the CopeCrafter with the pneumatic clamp and airsled is a superior product. ?I think it is unfortunate that I seem to be unable to buy one. ? For cope cuts, I will be using the slider table and I will upgrade my clamps from Mac to have the horizontal and vertical clamp like David Zaret shows on his videos, but I think it would have been nice to have the CopeCrafter for times when I did not want to move that heavy slider to the shaper, bolt it down and square it etc.
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Does brand matter?? I¡¯d like to find one locally or from Grainger ? ? I believe metric belt pj559 cross references to us 220j6.??
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Re: Shaper with CopeCrafter and outboard fence and pressure jaws to make panels
It seems that CopeCrafter may be out of business. ?They were made by Reliable Cutting Tools in Texas, and I can't reach them by phone or email and I can't find one new or used from any other source. ?
It seems to me that compared to a Aigner CounterMax and other jigs used for cope cuts, the CopeCrafter with the pneumatic clamp and airsled is a superior product. ?I think it is unfortunate that I seem to be unable to buy one. ?
For cope cuts, I will be using the slider table and I will upgrade my clamps from Mac to have the horizontal and vertical clamp like David Zaret shows on his videos, but I think it would have been nice to have the CopeCrafter for times when I did not want to move that heavy slider to the shaper, bolt it down and square it etc.
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Re: Selling my Hammer equip?
Thank you for the link. Have been previously told that it¡¯s worth more than I paid for it. Still haven¡¯t heard back from Jesse, maybe he¡¯s not with them anymore...
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On May 19, 2021, at 8:53 PM, scottgrossman via groups.io <scottgrossman@...> wrote:
?You will sell the A3-31 in a heartbeat. I sold mine to a FOGger . /g/felderownersgroup/message/103077But you can also list in Craigslist. You will get a LOT of serious inquiries.? Felder will give you a quote for it, but they will also tell you that you'll do better selling it yourself. Their quote is a good baseline. If you look at my listing, I clearly sold too low as it was gone in two days, with one day just sorting through all the offers.
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I believe metric belt pj559 cross references to us 220j6.??
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Belt size request for 2017 F700Z
Good morning Joe!?
I just checked the shaper unit on my 2020 KF700S, and found the following:
-- Motor package is 7.5hp 3P 60Hz
-- 1-1/4" spindle
-- belt drive is marked as "Rippenband 9 PJ 559"
-- Belt is listed as part # 12.0.264
The parts break down lists the belt as #s "9" and "5" (50hz are "8" and "4"). The info above is the "9" entry, here is the "5" info: Fr-Motorriemenscheibe 60Hz, part # 423-007-056
My parts diagram is dated 10/2013
I can scan and send you the parts diagram if that's helpful?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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If you think Felder parts are expensive !
I've needed a few parts for the Tannewitz PH bandsaw I'm restoring.? The good news is Tannewitz still has all parts.? The bad news are the prices.? Here are the parts and prices.? Tannewitz charges at least $30 shipping even for small packages.
?- Throat plate, aluminum disk about 3" diameter $36
?- 3/4" diameter steel shaft 6" long with a groove in it $78.? I could have someone make one but probably not for $78 one off.
?- Brake pedal, cast iron, small, $170
I also recently acquired a 32" Northfield bandsaw.? The through plate for that one was $32.? It sits in a rough casting and took 45 mins to custom fit it and to tap the two holes.? Northfield charges $30 in shipping too.
I think I would be happier if they jacked up the prices for the parts and charged a fair price for shipping.? I sell a ton on ebay and it takes me a couple minutes to pack and label for shipping.? None of those packages would have cost more than $10 at retail to ship.
But as I said, at least parts for the 1967 Tannewitz and the 1972 Northfield are available.
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