Wide belt roller conditioning
Hi all,
Any preference to truing up the main roller?
I haven't done it before,? but one option was full width abrasive glued to MDF.? The other is to place a narrower strip on a diagonal.? ?Third option?
Grit suggestions also welcome.?
Marlowe McGraw?
|
Hi Roger,
I looked at your video on Instagram. ?Here are my comments/suggestions: - For best results, your machine should be on adjustable leveling feet instead of using shims under the base. The 500-series machines are essentially Hammer bodies with X-Roll sliding table borrowed from the Felder brand. ?So I would expect the chassis to be less rigid than a 700-series machine. ?All the more reason to get the machine onto proper leveling feet. ?On a 700-series machine, the holes in the bottom of the chassis are 11mm diameter and are unthreaded. ?I can¡¯t say what they are on your machine, could be the same, could be different. ?If they are 11mm, then your best choice for leveling feet will be 3/8". ?This series of photos and the description you¡¯ll find with each one details the leveling feet I use and recommend. ?? ?You will need opposing nuts on the level feet threaded stud to secure it to the chassis - top and bottom.
- The cast iron top of your machine is attached to the base with threaded studs. ?It is possible to remove twist in the cast iron top by adjusting the attachment studs/nuts, but get your machine onto solid platform of leveling feet before attempting adjustments. ?Your Starrett 95 level is not ideal here - its resolution sensitivity is is less than 0.005¡± per foot. ?Brian Lamb makes a more precise level with a longer bast that would be more suitable. ?
- Toe-out for the slider is measured against a blade mounted to the saw arbor - not the gap between the edge of the sliding table and the cast iron top. ?Your method assumes the saw arbor is exactly perpendicular to the edge of the cast iron top (which is unlikely) and that the edge of the sliding table extrusion is flat (which it is not). ?This video describes the theory and one method of checking alignment: ?? Best practice for checking toe-out is described in this video: ?? ?Use whatever indicator you have clamped to the sliding table surface and indicate to a straight edge against the far side of the saw blade as shown in the video.
- With four adjustment bolts, you¡¯re never going to get such a long slider to stay coplanar to the cast iron top through 100 percent of it¡¯s travel. ?Your video illustrates you are close. ?I suspect the elevation you are measuring at the infeed end as you push the slider forward is a combination of chassis deflection (leveling feet will help here), chassis flex (inherent to Hammer design), and/or badly adjusted bearing ways on the X-Roll sliding table. ?Your deflection is only 0.012¡± and that¡¯s not terrible considering your machine and how it¡¯s set up. If you wanted to attempt finer adjustment, my suggestion is to get it up on proper leveling feet, see if you can adjust the cast iron top to remove end-to-end twist (unlikely you¡¯ll ever get the bow out of the center), and check again. ?If you wanted to dive into the bearing ways, this is not for the faint of heart and requires some special measurement setups, but the process is documented here:
Of everything you video shows, the most concerning to me is how you¡¯re checking slider toe-out.
Hope this helps. ?You will find additional resources on my Flickr account noted below.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Hi everyone,
I¡¯m new to the group, but am pleased to have been directed here recently by David Best. I watched his video on adjusting the slider on his table saw on his YouTube channel, which emboldened me to try again to adjust mine, which has always been a bit janky. I bought the machine used in ¡°as-is¡± condition.
Anyhow, I¡¯m trying to follow his method, and have a video covering everything on my Instagram, which you can see here:?
This slider is 2 meters long and has four adjustment bolts, ?not six or eight like the longer versions. This I think reduces a bit the degrees of freedom of adjustment when considering the slider at the middle versus the ends of its travel.
Please take a look and offer any advice you can. In particular I have the following questions:
1) The alignment of the slider goes off significantly at the end of its travel. Is this a sign of something, or should I not worry about it?
2) is there a better way to level the table than the shim method that I used?
3) should I worry about the level of flatness of my table? It seems mediocre and actually made aligning the slider extra-challenging.
I¡¯m grateful in advance for any comments you can share, and to David for all the excellent resources he has already provided on the internet.
|
JP,
Is there an airbnb for workshops? If not, there should be one. A week in your shop sounds really good.
Imran
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:59 AM, JP Rice via groups.io <jprphotos@...> wrote: ?Roger, welcome to the group. I am not the guy to give advice on adjustments but David Best definitely is as well as Brian Lamb, Imran and many others here. As to the shim method I would buy adjusting feet like these from McMaster Carr? <3958E224-FB50-4B22-96B7-38937A5772B8.jpeg>
| 1 |
Bolt-Down Swivel Leveling Mount
with 4" Long 3/8"-16 Threaded Stud and 3" Diameter Base
|
4
each |
6.67
each |
$26.68 |
|
Fw: [FOG] Colour Reference for Solid Green Paint 6/7 Series
All,
As best I can match it under 3 different light sources RAL 6016 Turquoise Green with about a 30 % matt finish.
Hopefully this will prove useful to others.
Regards
Paul
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
All,?
Thanks for the responses I have a Ral colour chart now and will post which ever colour is the best match later in the day.
Regards Paul
Is there a small piece with that color on it that you could take to Lowes or a paint store to be analyzed?
Bill Belanger
Sadly for the 6 series the color code is "special color".
|
Roger, welcome to the group. I am not the guy to give advice on adjustments but David Best definitely is as well as Brian Lamb, Imran and many others here. As to the shim method I would buy adjusting feet like these from McMaster Carr? 
| 1 |
Bolt-Down Swivel Leveling Mount
with 4" Long 3/8"-16 Threaded Stud and 3" Diameter Base
|
4
each |
6.67
each |
$26.68 |
|
Roger,
Is there another way for you to share video? Don¡¯t do instagram and can¡¯t login with facebook because acc to them I do not know my username.
Imran
On Dec 29, 2021, at 6:06 AM, Roger Martini <roger.martini1@...> wrote:
|
Sent you text if you're still looking for info.? Here's one of the videos I did on the process.....
|
Hi everyone,
I¡¯m new to the group, but am pleased to have been directed here recently by David Best. I watched his video on adjusting the slider on his table saw on his YouTube channel, which emboldened me to try again to adjust mine, which has always been a bit janky. I bought the machine used in ¡°as-is¡± condition.
Anyhow, I¡¯m trying to follow his method, and have a video covering everything on my Instagram, which you can see here:?
This slider is 2 meters long and has four adjustment bolts, ?not six or eight like the longer versions. This I think reduces a bit the degrees of freedom of adjustment when considering the slider at the middle versus the ends of its travel.
Please take a look and offer any advice you can. In particular I have the following questions:
1) The alignment of the slider goes off significantly at the end of its travel. Is this a sign of something, or should I not worry about it?
2) is there a better way to level the table than the shim method that I used?
3) should I worry about the level of flatness of my table? It seems mediocre and actually made aligning the slider extra-challenging.
I¡¯m grateful in advance for any comments you can share, and to David for all the excellent resources he has already provided on the internet.
|
Re: Colour Reference for Solid Green Paint 6/7 Series
All,?
Thanks for the responses I have a Ral colour chart now and will post which ever colour is the best match later in the day.
Regards Paul
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Is there a small piece with that color on it that you could take to Lowes or a paint store to be analyzed?
Bill Belanger
Sadly for the 6 series the color code is "special color".
|
Re: Colour Reference for Solid Green Paint 6/7 Series
Is there a small piece with that color on it that you could take to Lowes or a paint store to be analyzed?
Bill Belanger
Sadly for the 6 series the color code is "special color".
|
Re: Colour Reference for Solid Green Paint 6/7 Series
Sadly for the 6 series the color code is "special color".
|
I recently made a crazy horse dolly and it is absolutely incredible! I moved a couple 5'x10' MDF sheets and positioned them on the saw by myself with no issues.?
I agree that you'll probably want both at some point.?
Jarrett Maxwell?
? Instagram: geometric_innovations?
Dave,
You¡¯ll want both.? And a Barth 500V. ?
The CHD is being made available again by West Oak Studios
?
The ready to assemble kit is $295.? Now comes the hard part.? I don't have maneuvering room for it in my current shop so it would be a purchase that I'd hold onto until I get my retirement shop or I could? buy a panelhandler cart when I retire for $1,400
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Thanks,
Dave
|
Dave,
You¡¯ll want both. ?And a Barth 500V. ?
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
The CHD is being made available again by West Oak Studios
?
The ready to assemble kit is $295.? Now comes the hard part.? I don't have maneuvering room for it in my current shop so it would be a purchase that I'd hold onto until I get my retirement shop or I could? buy a panelhandler cart when I retire for $1,400
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Thanks,
Dave
|
Re: AD941 out feed table adjustment
On my? 2000ish AD 741, I turn the knob to raise the outfeed table to about .002 below the top of arc of the cutter head, then lock it in position.? HTH.?
Jason
|
Re: 16" 4 knife cutter block
It was very involved, and I couldn't find any info from others who had made the swap.? They're not great videos, but I did post two videos of the process on Youtube.? If you search: Byrd AD741 they'll come up.? ?
|
Hi Dave,? ?I have the 5¡¯expanded version I put rotating wheels on all 4 corners. Also modified the catch so it also faces down and out of the way.? Also made a few simple adapters so I can use for hinging and the such.? Good for adjustable outfeed table? Well made in us? Mac,,,
Designing and building for 50 years
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Dec 28, 2021, at 8:33 PM, Michael Marsico <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
? I hate to ask but when i click on the link i dont find the crazy horse? ? Sorry - am i just missing it?
The CHD is being made available again by West Oak Studios
?
The ready to assemble kit is $295.? Now comes the hard part.? I don't have maneuvering room for it in my current shop so it would be a purchase that I'd hold onto until I get my retirement shop or I could? buy a panelhandler cart when I retire for $1,400
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Thanks,
Dave
--
-- Michael Marsico
|
Re: 16" 4 knife cutter block
Jason, how difficult was it to install the head?
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Hi Paul, I've installed a Byrd head in my circa 2000 AD741 combo machine and still have the original 4 knife head that uses the Felder system quick change disposable knives (not Tersa).? I'm open to selling it if it's the correct part for you.
Jason
|
Re: 16" 4 knife cutter block
Hi Paul, I've installed a Byrd head in my circa 2000 AD741 combo machine and still have the original 4 knife head that uses the Felder system quick change disposable knives (not Tersa).? I'm open to selling it if it's the correct part for you.
Jason
|
The CHD isn't on his website but I emailed him directly and he said he had a few available now and would be getting more ready to ship the beginning of next year. Dave Davies
I hate to ask but when i click on the link i dont find the crazy horse? ? Sorry - am i just missing it?
The CHD is being made available again by West Oak Studios
?
The ready to assemble kit is $295.? Now comes the hard part.? I don't have maneuvering room for it in my current shop so it would be a purchase that I'd hold onto until I get my retirement shop or I could? buy a panelhandler cart when I retire for $1,400
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Thanks,
Dave
--
Michael Marsico
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
|
I hate to ask but when i click on the link i dont find the crazy horse? ? Sorry - am i just missing it?
The CHD is being made available again by West Oak Studios
?
The ready to assemble kit is $295.? Now comes the hard part.? I don't have maneuvering room for it in my current shop so it would be a purchase that I'd hold onto until I get my retirement shop or I could? buy a panelhandler cart when I retire for $1,400
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Thanks,
Dave
--
--
Michael Marsico
|
David P. Best
imran
JP Rice
Roger Martini
Bill Belanger