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Re: Thoughts on the precision miter option and scoring unit
Michael, I have 3 phase 7.5HP KF700SP with a 9 foot slider. Before I placed the order back in March, I also got advice from David Best. I took all the advice from David Best regarding the machine configuration except precision miter attachment and DRO on the rip fence. The reason I bought it is I have DRO (one, not three David Best has on his Format-4 Kappa 400) on the crosscut fence, so I can set the DRO and fence angle, then cut it, perfect every single time! I did remove the telescope fence, otherwise, the crosscut fence is TOO heavy and very very difficult to move. Also, the precision miter attachment is calibrated at the factory, you cannot buy it later. I think I paid CDN $1000 for this option, so it should be less in US$. Definitely get the separate scoring unit, forget about the mechanical scoring. This is something you cannot add it later either. And it is safer having a separate scoring unit.? I would also recommend the remote-on switch on the sliding table and power drive for the shaper height adjustment. James On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 9:18 PM, garrisonstuber@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: Thoughts on the precision miter option and scoring unit
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýMy KF700S (circa 2013) has single phase motors.? When I first replied to you I assumed that option was still available, but did not look at the current specifications to check. ? From: felder-woodworking@... [mailto:felder-woodworking@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 7:16 PM To: FOG Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Thoughts on the precision miter option and scoring unit ? ? My K700S has the separate motors and adjustment at any height but were only available with 3 phase, ?don't know if this has changed since 2010. Just on a side note, I always run my blades at full height, I believe that in most cases that is where they are designed to run best. Keeping the blade just above the height is a throw back to cabinet saws with no guards.? ? ? John JMK Services? ? ?
Michael, I have the separate scoring unit and it raises and lowers its own trunnion assembly very nicely. Stays aligned beautifully. It was worth the few bucks more.? ? John ~ John? ~ H&H Woodworking?
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Re: Thoughts on the precision miter option and scoring unit
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýMy K700S has the separate motors and adjustment at any height but were only available with 3 phase, ?don't know if this has changed since 2010. Just on a side note, I always run my blades at full height, I believe that in most cases that is where they are designed to run best. Keeping the blade just above the height is a throw back to cabinet saws with no guards.? John JMK Services? -------- Original message --------
From: "J Ferandin flyjtf@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...> Date: 2016-12-03 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00) To: felder-woodworking@... Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Thoughts on the precision miter option and scoring unit ? Michael, I have the separate scoring unit and it raises and lowers its own trunnion assembly very nicely. Stays aligned beautifully. It was worth the few bucks more.? John ~ John? ~ H&H Woodworking?
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Re: Thoughts on the precision miter option and scoring unit
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI have a KF700S with (I guess) the precision miter system (it keeps the ruler on the fence reading accurately as you change angles¡ªbut only for the designated ¡°standard¡± angles).? I make a lot of randomly sized 4 side and 6 side picture frames for my wife (she who approved the saw purchase) and I like it a lot.? Guess it depends on the kind of work you do. ? I also have the scoring unit with its own motor and its blade height is independent of the main blade.? Cannot answer about current model K700 with mechanical scoring. ? From: felder-woodworking@... [mailto:felder-woodworking@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 6:19 PM To: felder-woodworking@... Subject: [felder-woodworking] Thoughts on the precision miter option and scoring unit ? ? So I'm working on finalizing my order for a KF700 S Pro with a 10 foot slider and the 1500mm outrigger.? I've gotten some excellent advice from David Best.? David noted that in his experience the precision miter attachment is fussy to use and not worth the hassle.? I'm curious whether anyone else has an opinion.? Does anyone who has one like theirs??? Why?? Why not? ? |
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Re: Thoughts on the precision miter option and scoring unit
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýMichael, I have the separate scoring unit and it raises and lowers its own trunnion assembly very nicely. Stays aligned beautifully. It was worth the few bucks more.? John ~ John? ~ H&H Woodworking? On Dec 3, 2016, at 4:18 PM, garrisonstuber@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Thoughts on the precision miter option and scoring unit
So I'm working on finalizing my order for a KF700 S Pro with a 10 foot slider and the 1500mm outrigger.? I've gotten some excellent advice from David Best.? David noted that in his experience the precision miter attachment is fussy to use and not worth the hassle.? I'm curious whether anyone else has an opinion.? Does anyone who has one like theirs??? Why?? Why not?
David also noted that on his KF700 (back in the day before he upgraded) that the mechanical scoring system required the main blade to be fully elevated to use it.? Is this still the case?? Is it different on the electric scoring unit?? I've asked my the rep at Felder, but she doesn't seem to really know the equipment. -- Michael Garrison Stuber Newman Lake, WA |
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Re: Blades for K700S
On my KF700SP I use the following.
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300mm x 100T Tenryu 300mm x 48T Tenryu 300mm x 28T Tenryu 300mm x 100T Silent Power 300mm x 48T Silent Power 300mm x 28T Silent Power 250mm x 48T Silent Power (Much quieter). Silent Power Scoring blade. All of them are fantastic and have plenty of carbide for multiple sharpenings. I've use many other blades and these are the ones I've found to performers and value. Right now Felder has their blades on sale and Tenryu is usually heavily discounted at the trades shows. ~ John ~ H&H Woodworking On Dec 3, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Cliff rohrabacher@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote: |
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Re: Automatic Dust Collector & Blast Gate Controller
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDan,Very cool design. I assumed with the arduino it would be a simple matter of more i/o and you could do whatever you wanted. I have been kicking around a blast gate design and just had no real idea on how to control it¡. I know one thing, I¡¯m tired of running about opening and closing gates and having to hit the DC button every time I turn something on. I just built a rotary indexer for my laser engraver and while the mechanicals were a walk in the park, the electrical was a slight challenge, good thing I have a friend that¡¯s up on steppers motors and such, made it a lot easier¡ and it actually worked! On Dec 3, 2016, at 3:16 PM, dschmid4@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: Automatic Dust Collector & Blast Gate Controller
Cliff
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýGreat job. I struggled with that whole? remote start thing for my RL.? Took
a long look at the Penn State device and opened up my RL?
electrical panel and decided that? I needed a less technical
solution.? The electrics in the RL intimidated me, I didn't want
to void the warranty, and I sort of didn't believe that the
Engineers who built that gizmo had the Felder RL in mind.? Felder sells these little current sensors that will turn the RL
on when the machine is turned on but it only works with 220VAC.?
But I was unhappy with that just because I didn't want the inrush
of current for two big motors? occurring at the same time.?? It's
a residential system, not commercial I placed all my? blast gates? about shoulder height so I could
easily access them while standing.? Then I designed a two solenoid
system with little on off buttons at each machine station that all
runs on 12VDC and connected to the solenoids VIA thermostat cable?
(4 conductor 18 AWG).? So? now I push a button to activate a
solenoid and push another button to activate the other solenoid
and the machine operates like it was being manually activated. ? On 12/3/2016 9:31 AM,
dschmid4@... [felder-woodworking] wrote:
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Re: New C3-41 owner
Cliff
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHammer's fence sucks.? Floppy, deflects like crazy,? won't stand
up to wear, seems like it was? designed by an adolescent on bring
your kid to work day. It's? sad really because they put a lot of
work into the main steel component only? to end up with cheesy
junk. On 12/3/2016 2:06 PM,
danjones88@... [felder-woodworking] wrote:
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Re: Automatic Dust Collector & Blast Gate Controller
Thanks Brian. ?No current intent or plans to sell these, but never say never.
With this approach, scaling to multiple ports and machines would be easy. ?While mine is set up for one input channel (saw) and 1 output channel (blast gate), one could have multiple clip-on current sensors detecting "on/off" for any number of machines (but each would need a wire coming into the controller. ?Other than the sensor, no additional electronic components needed on the input side. ?On the output side, control to multiple blast gates would be just as easy - again, each gate with it's own wire to the unit. Would need one additional relay per blast gate, but these are only about $2 each. You'd just need to get somewhat familiar with the Arduino software code to configure it to behave the way you want (i.e. 2 blast gates on one machine, but only 1 on another, etc). ?But once you nailed this, making changes would be simple. Dan |
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Re: Automatic Dust Collector & Blast Gate Controller
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Re: New C3-41 owner
Cliff
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI made a version of this? on my own design using cams and bearings to lock the fence but this one is quite nice?? The Wood Whisperererer guy has a review Here:
On 12/3/2016 11:19 AM,
danjones88@... [felder-woodworking] wrote:
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Re: Blades for K700S
I'm using Tenryu blades..? Really nice blades. ? On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 2:40 AM, jontathan samways jonathansamways@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: Automatic Dust Collector & Blast Gate Controller
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOr is Dan selling them? Nice job and way above my pay grade when it comes to electronics. My only question is the way I see it this only works on one machine and a specific function? I would like a unit that I could wire the shop into that say I turn on the saw, it opens port A and B (Suction on the above table shroud and the saw itself). Then if I run the shaper it¡¯s a different motor and different blast gates.?There are also two operations and two sets of blast gates depending upon if I¡¯m jointing or planing¡. Any way of having multiple gates and multiple functions? Even if it means I have hard wired multiple torroid sensors and blast gates?? I had to build a remote heavy duty relay earlier this year for my dust collector, the X10 stuff I was using, the 30 amp relay went kaput and they don¡¯t make them any more, at least that would work with all my old X10 remotes and such. So I picked up a 220V magnetic relay with a 110V coil and now have a relay that is remote controlled that will work up to 40 amps, or more if I had gotten a larger relay. On Dec 3, 2016, at 12:38 PM, David Davies myfinishingtouch@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: About to start large table, worried about flattening slabs
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýGeneral rule of thumb after dry for interior woodwork, 6 to 7 % expect 1/16" of movement per ft Across the grain. Assuming proper construction techniques are used.? mac,,, martin/campshure/co/llc 608-824-0023?fax Designing and building for 47 years On Dec 3, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Cliff rohrabacher@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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