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Richard,
How do you deal with running the pump on 60Hz versus 50Hz?

I really would like to pick up one of their smaller miter saws (Symmetric SYM 70 E) but am worried about using it on 60Hz power.

Thanks,
John

Wow, learned a lot today.... repeated exposure to human skin? Crap, maybe that's why I twitch.... I don't know how I'm going to live to be an old man.... exposed to so many chemicals in my younger days... the place that did our x-ray and penetrant inspection had big vats of tri-chlor, we used to stand over them and wash parts, fumes were nasty, could get a good high real quick.

Then there was the occasional gulp of gasoline when you were siphoning out of dad's truck to fill up your dirt bike.... oh... model airplane glue.... ahhh.. the memories... that are fading fast.... :-)

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"



On May 10, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Jerry wrote:

The fish oil is an urban legend.

Jerry P

Formulation

WD-40's formula is a trade secret. The product is not patented, to avoid completely disclosing its ingredients.[2][3] WD-40's main ingredients, according to U.S. Material Safety Data Sheet information, are:
51% Stoddard solvent (i.e., mineral spirits: primarily hexane, somewhat similar to kerosene)
25% Liquefied petroleum gas (presumably as a propellant; carbon dioxide is now used instead to reduce WD-40's considerable flammability)
15+% Mineral oil (light lubricating oil)
10-% Inert ingredients

The German version of the mandatory EU safety sheet lists the following safety-relevant ingredients:
60�80% Heavy Naphtha (petroleum product), hydrogen treated
1�5% Carbon dioxide

It further lists flammability and effects to the human skin when repeatedly exposed to WD-40 as risks when using WD-40. Nitrile rubber gloves and safety glasses should be used. Water is unsuitable for extinguishing burning WD-40.

There is a popular urban legend that the key ingredient in WD-40 is fish oil.[4] However, the WD-40 web site states that it is a petroleum based product.[5][6]

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Yummy.... :-) Too many years in the machine shop, I bleed cutting oil when I get a cut....

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"



On May 10, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Ed.Averman@... wrote:

Heavens, Brian -- don't drink it for the Omega-3!

Skip



From: Brian Lamb <blamb11@...>


To: felder-woodworking@...

Date: 05/10/2012 02:16 PM

Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: metal glanz MSDS any one?

Sent by: felder-woodworking@...






Interesting, and if I remember correctly, the oil that is mixed in with the
kerosene is some type of fish oil.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"



On May 10, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Jerry wrote:

It was the 40th varation.

Jerry P

"WD-40 is the trademark name of a United States-made water-displacing

spray. It was developed in 1953 by Norm Larsen, founder of the Rocket
Chemical Company, San Diego, California. It was originally designed to
repel water and prevent corrosion,[1] and later was found to have numerous
household uses.

WD-40 stands for "Water Displacement � 40th Attempt". Larsen was

attempting to create a formula to prevent corrosion in nuclear missiles, by
displacing the standing water that causes it. He claims he arrived at a
successful formula on his 40th attempt.[1] WD-40 is primarily composed of
various hydrocarbons.

WD-40 was first used by Convair to protect the outer skin of the Atlas

missile from rust and corrosion.[1][2] The product first became
commercially available on store shelves in San Diego in 1958.[1]"

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The fish oil is an urban legend.

Jerry P

Formulation

WD-40's formula is a trade secret. The product is not patented, to avoid completely disclosing its ingredients.[2][3] WD-40's main ingredients, according to U.S. Material Safety Data Sheet information, are:
51% Stoddard solvent (i.e., mineral spirits: primarily hexane, somewhat similar to kerosene)
25% Liquefied petroleum gas (presumably as a propellant; carbon dioxide is now used instead to reduce WD-40's considerable flammability)
15+% Mineral oil (light lubricating oil)
10-% Inert ingredients

The German version of the mandatory EU safety sheet lists the following safety-relevant ingredients:
60鈥�80% Heavy Naphtha (petroleum product), hydrogen treated
1鈥�5% Carbon dioxide

It further lists flammability and effects to the human skin when repeatedly exposed to WD-40 as risks when using WD-40. Nitrile rubber gloves and safety glasses should be used. Water is unsuitable for extinguishing burning WD-40.

There is a popular urban legend that the key ingredient in WD-40 is fish oil.[4] However, the WD-40 web site states that it is a petroleum based product.[5][6]

Skip



Brian only drinks organic fish oil - definitely no on ponds - no
hydrocracking either.



Blair



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From: felder-woodworking@...
[mailto:felder-woodworking@...] On Behalf Of Ed.Averman@...
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:33 PM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: metal glanz MSDS any one?





Heavens, Brian -- don't drink it for the Omega-3!

Skip



From: Brian Lamb <blamb11@... <mailto:blamb11%40cox.net> >


To: felder-woodworking@...
<mailto:felder-woodworking%40yahoogroups.com>

Date: 05/10/2012 02:16 PM

Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: metal glanz MSDS any one?

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Interesting, and if I remember correctly, the oil that is mixed in with the
kerosene is some type of fish oil.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@... <mailto:blamb11%40cox.net>
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"



On May 10, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Jerry wrote:

It was the 40th varation.

Jerry P

"WD-40 is the trademark name of a United States-made water-displacing

spray. It was developed in 1953 by Norm Larsen, founder of the Rocket
Chemical Company, San Diego, California. It was originally designed to
repel water and prevent corrosion,[1] and later was found to have numerous
household uses.

WD-40 stands for "Water Displacement - 40th Attempt". Larsen was

attempting to create a formula to prevent corrosion in nuclear missiles, by
displacing the standing water that causes it. He claims he arrived at a
successful formula on his 40th attempt.[1] WD-40 is primarily composed of
various hydrocarbons.

WD-40 was first used by Convair to protect the outer skin of the Atlas

missile from rust and corrosion.[1][2] The product first became
commercially available on store shelves in San Diego in 1958.[1]"

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Heavens, Brian -- don't drink it for the Omega-3!

Skip



From: Brian Lamb <blamb11@...>


To: felder-woodworking@...

Date: 05/10/2012 02:16 PM

Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: metal glanz MSDS any one?

Sent by: felder-woodworking@...






Interesting, and if I remember correctly, the oil that is mixed in with the
kerosene is some type of fish oil.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"



On May 10, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Jerry wrote:

It was the 40th varation.

Jerry P

"WD-40 is the trademark name of a United States-made water-displacing

spray. It was developed in 1953 by Norm Larsen, founder of the Rocket
Chemical Company, San Diego, California. It was originally designed to
repel water and prevent corrosion,[1] and later was found to have numerous
household uses.

WD-40 stands for "Water Displacement 鈥� 40th Attempt". Larsen was

attempting to create a formula to prevent corrosion in nuclear missiles, by
displacing the standing water that causes it. He claims he arrived at a
successful formula on his 40th attempt.[1] WD-40 is primarily composed of
various hydrocarbons.

WD-40 was first used by Convair to protect the outer skin of the Atlas

missile from rust and corrosion.[1][2] The product first became
commercially available on store shelves in San Diego in 1958.[1]"

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My Dad had a car repair shop that I began "working" at when 5. He never cared much for WD-40, and instead used a similar but he felt superior CRC product, 5-56.

The 5-56 name changed several times thought the years, and the current version is called CRC Power Lube. That's what I use for what most folks use WD-40 for. Works better, but equally important to my nose, doesn't stink.

I just navigated through the CRC site and see they've got lots of specialized products, including 6-56, which seems to be a Marine version of the Power Lube.

If you have a special application in mind, you might consider the CNC product designed for that use.


Be well,

Lance

Interesting, and if I remember correctly, the oil that is mixed in with the kerosene is some type of fish oil.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"

It was the 40th varation.

Jerry P

"WD-40 is the trademark name of a United States-made water-displacing spray. It was developed in 1953 by Norm Larsen, founder of the Rocket Chemical Company, San Diego, California. It was originally designed to repel water and prevent corrosion,[1] and later was found to have numerous household uses.

WD-40 stands for "Water Displacement 鈥� 40th Attempt". Larsen was attempting to create a formula to prevent corrosion in nuclear missiles, by displacing the standing water that causes it. He claims he arrived at a successful formula on his 40th attempt.[1] WD-40 is primarily composed of various hydrocarbons.

WD-40 was first used by Convair to protect the outer skin of the Atlas missile from rust and corrosion.[1][2] The product first became commercially available on store shelves in San Diego in 1958.[1]"

WD-40 was never meant for a lubricant, it was developed as a "W"ater "D"ispersant, and one could assume that this might have been the 40th variation on the formula.... or whether it stands for a percentage of something, that I don't know. We used to buy WD-40 by the 5 gallon pail for use in the machine shop, it works great as a lubricant for machining and tapping aluminum.

Straight Kerosene works too, but not quite as well, and when you get into volume pricing, there wan't a huge difference. The "very expensive" spray people buy is because of convenience, what else can you get in a nice handy spray bottle at any box store? Good marketing ploy on their part.

Brian Lamb
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Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"

(". One is severely hydrotreated and the other less so and
both are kerosene." )



So we could argue a hydrotreated hydrocarbon is an ' less stable'
hydrocarbon. Dunno about kero but I've seen a cargo of hydrotreated
heating oil become so unstable that it turned dark - lots of particulates
and we had homes going out with clogged fuel filters all over the place.
But yes, in an application such has smearing the stuff on some metal - you
would never know.



("So WD40 is very expensive kerosene in a spray. But people swear by it
(Don't use it on Guns)."



Great advice and I know how much all the FOG worries about their guns - well
except for the females. I've been telling that to people for decades.
WD-40 is worthless for long term storage and protection. Looks great going
on - evaporates in weeks, later.



Blair














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From: felder-woodworking@...
[mailto:felder-woodworking@...] On Behalf Of Cliff Rohrabacher,
Esq
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:59 AM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: metal glanz MSDS any one?







On 5/10/2012 5:18 AM, Eric Smith wrote:

why do I want it?

Well I can't imagine why anyone would pay the inordinate sums they want
for the stuff. Does it come with magical pixies?
But then look at WD 40. It's really nothing but a tiny amount of
surfactant and Aviation Kerosene. Which latter they chose not because
Aviation grade Kero brings anything at all to the party, but because
the CAS number for it is difficult to trace down to the common name.
Hell, the WD 40 MSDS lists the same product (kero) in two different CAS
# incarnations. One is severely hydrotreated and the other less so and
both are kerosene. It is inconceivable that either does anything but
add confusion to people trying to make their own.
Then there is a list of Four more components that together are less
than 25% of the make up

Listed as less than 25% (that's <25% collectively) WD 40 has

CAS 64742-58-1 which is used oil that has been re-refined.

CAS 64742-53-6 Transformer oil (just Mineral Oil treated for electrical
properties)

CAS 64742-56-9 is a Dewaxed Solvent

CAS 64742-65-0is a Dewaxed Solvent

So WD40 is very expensive kerosene in a spray. But people swear by it
(Don't use it on Guns).

Boeshield only lists Mineral Oil and Mineral Spirits.

The only thing any of these products seems to have going for them, that
one can't get off the shelf in the BORG or the gas station, is some kind
of alcohol or paraffin-chain salt surfactant.

I was wondering if the Felder products were any more sophisticated.
It's got acid in it. Woo Hoo. Don't know how I feel about putting any
acid on my iron and steel. Seems awfully stupid, but I'm no chemist.

Herb,

The G&G chair is truly a beauty! Wonderful work.

WHile scrolling further down the page a question occurred to me... What CNC machine do you use for carving which appears to use hand chisels and files? I'd love to get me one...

Joking there of course. Keep up the stellar work.

Do Good,

Lance

Woodworking shows are both a lot of fun and exhausting. One can spot a woodworker a mile away as they are the ones that get on their knees to see what is happening underneath the piece.

This reproduction of the Green & Green Blacker House arm chair also made it to the show, which I finished this past winter



Herb

No problem, they can be expensive, so I generally keep a 2 flute carbide endmill that's a little worse for wear for trying to plunge thru hard materials. Without a drill point though, it can kind of try to shake the machine around a bit if it's not very rigid.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"



On May 10, 2012, at 7:03 AM, Jerry wrote:

Thanks for the tip of using a hi-roc drill for hard material.

Jerry P

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Thanks for the tip of using a hi-roc drill for hard material.

Jerry P

On 5/10/2012 5:18 AM, Eric Smith wrote:

why do I want it?

Well I can't imagine why anyone would pay the inordinate sums they want
for the stuff. Does it come with magical pixies?
But then look at WD 40. It's really nothing but a tiny amount of
surfactant and Aviation Kerosene. Which latter they chose not because
Aviation grade Kero brings anything at all to the party, but because
the CAS number for it is difficult to trace down to the common name.
Hell, the WD 40 MSDS lists the same product (kero) in two different CAS
# incarnations. One is severely hydrotreated and the other less so and
both are kerosene. It is inconceivable that either does anything but
add confusion to people trying to make their own.
Then there is a list of Four more components that together are less
than 25% of the make up

Listed as less than 25% (that's <25% collectively) WD 40 has

CAS 64742-58-1 which is used oil that has been re-refined.

CAS 64742-53-6 Transformer oil (just Mineral Oil treated for electrical
properties)

CAS 64742-56-9 is a Dewaxed Solvent

CAS 64742-65-0is a Dewaxed Solvent

So WD40 is very expensive kerosene in a spray. But people swear by it
(Don't use it on Guns).


Boeshield only lists Mineral Oil and Mineral Spirits.


The only thing any of these products seems to have going for them, that
one can't get off the shelf in the BORG or the gas station, is some kind
of alcohol or paraffin-chain salt surfactant.

I was wondering if the Felder products were any more sophisticated.
It's got acid in it. Woo Hoo. Don't know how I feel about putting any
acid on my iron and steel. Seems awfully stupid, but I'm no chemist.

Ah... just the pin holes? Piece of cake, the holes don't have to be accurate, so just used a carbide drill, I'd use a "hi-roc" version, straight flutes and really strong, made for drilling holes in heat treated materials. Here is what they look like:



This is all "if" his blade bodies are that hard.... not all of them are, you can tell with a file, or try to spot drill a hole and see if it actually cuts.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"



On May 10, 2012, at 6:40 AM, Jerry wrote:

The set he has already has a 30mm bore. I agree with you and drilling the 9mm pin holes would be OK.



Jerry P

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The set he has already has a 30mm bore. I agree with you and drilling the 9mm pin holes would be OK.



Jerry P

Do you mean boring from 5/8" out to 30mm? That will not weaken the blades of any dado set I have ever seen. I did it on my dado set years ago. I will warn you that the particular brand I have, FS Tools, I think it is, the blade bodies were harder than hard... so the real chore was getting them bored out, maintaining centerline and sharpening the boring bar numerous times.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"



On May 10, 2012, at 4:50 AM, Timur wrote:

--- In felder-woodworking@..., "Jerry" <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:

I see you posted a message on the HSM forum about drilling blades. Forrest make a nice dado set that is reasonable. I thing some FOG members use this set and like it. I do not know if they ship to Turkey.

Even if they ship to Turkey, the cost will increase 5 times because of customs fees and tax. I know that Forrest has a good reputation among woodworkers and I wish they would have a distributor here...

I have pretty much scrapped the idea of drilling the blades of my existing dado set. As one of the HSM members pointed out, it will weaken the blade and so is too risky.

Think I will have to order the hammer dado set.

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I bought some of that when I got my machines 12 years ago.... still have it. It leaves a nasty residue that gets hard and sticky. And yes, I wipe my guideways down using either mineral spirits or WD40 sprayed on a rag, then wipe all the resulting film back off... mainly just using the fluids to dissolve any caked on dust.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"



On May 10, 2012, at 3:30 AM, Phil wrote:

And whilst on the subject of chemical sprays, what about the Spindle Fluid?

I was given to understand that "roller guidways" were best left just wiped clean?

Phil

--- In felder-woodworking@..., Eric Smith <w.g.joinery@...> wrote:

I don't need it, but after I look at it why do I want it? Help me
please........
[?] eric

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