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Re: Shop wiring question
Charlie Norton
For my installation, which I am still setting up, I am going with "behind
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the wall" where the conduit would be visible and conduit where it is out of sight. I find conduit easier to run THHN wire for higher current applications. My wife is does not want our garage to look like an industrial shop so obvious conduit is a no-no. And no visible vacuum duct! Gad, this is getting tough. I would definitely go with a subpanel, unless you have about 10 times the room in your main panel that I have. For a shop, I think a subpanel makes a lot of sense, and the wiring is greatly simplified. Good Luck. -----Original Message-----
From: Steve Kusterer <spkerer@...> To: felder-woodworking@... <felder-woodworking@...> Date: Thursday, April 27, 2000 5:56 AM Subject: [felder-woodworking] Shop wiring question Felder has given me plenty of time to finish my shop prior to the arrivalfelder-woodworking-unsubscribe@...
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Re: Help!
John Renzetti
Leo, If you post from the web site then you have to hit the send button
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twice. First time the message comes up as it will be sent, then the hitting "send" again posts the message. I've done this a couple of times myself. Take care, John Renzetti ----- Original Message -----
From: Leo Lopez <leozepolusa@...> To: <felder-woodworking@...> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:30 AM Subject: [felder-woodworking] Help! I have written Jason a reply to his power issues three times (15felder-woodworking-unsubscribe@...
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Re: Posting Pictures
Thanks Scott,
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I did post my pictures yesterday, thanks for the help, and by the way, you need to mess things up a bit in your shop there. If you need some help with this concept, check out Geoff's shop photos. I'm sure I can top his shop, I'll just have to remember to take a picture at the right moment. I tend to start the day by cleaning up and organizing things, but end up right back where I started by the end of the day. Natalie ----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Slater To: felder-woodworking@... Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 12:04 AM Subject: RE: [felder-woodworking] Posting Pictures Hi Natalie, >From the main page, click on Files (left side). A number of folders will appear on the right side, click on the folder that you want to upload files to. If the you want to post a photo of work or your shop click on: Member Shop and Project Pictures - create a folder inside of this folder with your name When you are inside of this folder you will see some more folders with members names. Near the top right there is a link "Add Folder" Click this and make a new folder with your name. When the folder appears, in the list (you may have to refresh the screen) click on your folder. You will then have the option to add a file, click the "Add File" button on the right side, another screen will come up, allowing you to browse your hard drive for the file you want to upload. Click upload file after you see the name is correct. There is a read me on the top level of the files folder. We suggest that you use JPEG format for photos, and GIF for drawings. Quality should be set to medium, and the file should be less than 100 k. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Natalie Johnston [mailto:dotcalm@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 8:33 AM To: felder-woodworking@... Subject: [felder-woodworking] Posting Pictures It seems like I ran across a link for posting photos to the group, but I can't find it now. How do I get there? Thanks, Natalie To Post a message, send it to: felder-woodworking@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: felder-woodworking-unsubscribe@... Visit the group web site: To Post a message, send it to: felder-woodworking@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: felder-woodworking-unsubscribe@... Visit the group web site: |
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Dust collector piping question
Steve Kusterer
At this point, I think I've settled on the Oneida 1.5 HP cyclone. I really
don't want everything the dust collector collects to go through the impeller. In planning on running the piping for this DC, I have a couple of questions. 1. is it better to run the piping along the ceiling, and then branch out to the sides, drops, etc. as necessary, or is it better to run along the walls - or does it really not make much difference and I should just use whichever approach looks most convenient with the layout of the various tools? 2. with the 1.5 HP Oneida, is it really necessary to go with the more expensive, heavier guage piping instead of 30 guage stuff. I know the 30 guage can cause problem by collapsing, but is that at all a realistic risk with the 1.5 HP Oneida (as opposed to some monster DC). I'm willing to use the heavier stuff if there is a real concern - but I'm wondering how much of the reading I've been doing about the necessity of heavier guage piping is actually based on much larger dust collectors. Thanks... Steve |
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Shop wiring question
Steve Kusterer
Felder has given me plenty of time to finish my shop prior to the arrival
of its crown jewel. I should have my CF731 Pro in late July/early August. All along I've planned on wiring the shop with the outlets flush with the wall surface and wiring running behind the walls - normal stuff. However, I've recently been wondering about the pros and cons of using conduit and running the wiring and mounting the boxes on the surface of the walls. I see a 'pro' in being able to modify the wiring, add outlets, etc. without having to go behind a wall. I see a 'con' as having more stuff not flush against the wall and therefore able to get in the way of other things more easily. I'd appreciate any comments about this. I'm meeting with the county electrical inspector on Friday to discuss a separate sub-panel vs. running multiple circuits. He views sub-panels as a "last resort" (his words). I kind of like the idea of having the breakers right there, not having multiple long (> 50 foot) runs. Thanks... Steve |
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Help!
Leo Lopez
I have written Jason a reply to his power issues three times (15
minutes to type each time) and clicked "send message", yet my message each time does not post to the group. The first two times I did it as a reply to Jason's original message. The third time I tried posting a new message,,,made no difference. I can't keep doing this,,,any suggestions guys? This has happened to me before, and I found out later that group members who have messages automatically forwarded to their email address were getting my posting nevertheless. Thanks, Leo |
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Re: My 3 Phase Dilema....the plot thickens!
Scott Slater
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I would suggest that you consider 3 phase with a rotary phase converter. The cost of the converter is about $1200 (with the fused disconnect supplied by Kay, or you build your own - very easy to do and cheaper to DIY). I have seen less expensive rotary converters available, about 700$ for a 5 hp unit, email me for more info. I spoke to Wolfgang about the 3 phase variable speed drive, he quoted me about $2500 for a 3 phase unit. Needless to say, I will stick with the fixed speed on the saw and jointer and the 3 speeds of the shaper. From what I understand the variable speed is important if you work with different materials (other than wood) such as metal or plastics. I do not intend to work with anything other than wood. It would be nice to have the variable speed on the shaper, but Wolfgang said that the unit cannot be fitted to the shaper only, but will control all functions. The other issue with the variable speed drive is that you cannot use the scoring unit with the separate 1 hp motor (according to Wolfgang). Regarding the wiring and panel you have installed. You will be able to use the breakers for the 3 phase, but they are not necessary. I spoke to an engineer at Kay Industries, and he stated that the fused disconnect provides the necessary protection. The machine will have switches that are protected against overload. It would have been nice to have a separate panel for 3 phase distribution, but as you know the breakers and panels are very expensive. I have setup my shop with the following: 40 amp breaker feeding 220 v to the converter. The converter uses 30 amps but it will trip a 30 amp standard breaker, slow blow fuses will not trip - Kay suggested that I use a 40 amp from the sub panel. 8 gauge wire from the 40 amp breaker to the disconnect/input of the phase converter. 3 phase (10 gauge) going to a distribution block 10 gauge wire going to the dust collector 10 gauge wire going to the machine (not yet in use as the machine is somewhere between Germany and USA) I still have 2 more positions free on the distribution block for future 3 phase equipment. I have posted photos of the phase converter in the Technical info folder. Scott -----Original Message-----
From: Jason Gant [mailto:rjasong@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 7:29 PM To: felder-woodworking@... Subject: [felder-woodworking] My 3 Phase Dilema....the plot thickens! Hello again FOG, Thanks for all the input so far on my 3 phase mystery. Please continue your input, as it may have to do more with my motor option than my wiring. I'll explain shortly. First - Rick, thanks for the concern and warnings. This to me is a sign of a true friend. No offense taken here and PLEASE send them my way when it even remotely seems I'm venturing upon danger. Again thanks! Today's findings: After closer inspection and re-metering everything I noticed leg A feeding into the Air Conditioner can also. This pretty much confirms my fears- leg A and either one of the others must supply the 240V to the air conditioner, and legs B and C have to be the same phase(as Charlie and Wolfgang suggested). Here's what's strange. The air conditioner unit before this one was 3 phase(thus the 3 wires feeding to the AC unit can). The power to the house(3 hots and a neutral) used to be 3 phase. My 3 hots feed from 3 different wires at the pole. But last year(about 15 months ago) we had a bad ice storm. Everyone on this city block lost power(downed transformer I guess?) for about a week. Perhaps at this time they eliminated the 3 phase and jumpered those 2 legs as one??? Had they jumpered legs A and one of the others to the same phase, I'd have had problems with the air conditioner. I'm just guessing this is what has happened, weird, hum??? This appears to be very bad news for me, as I've just dumped about the value of an AF22LN dust collector into "3 phase" breakers/service panel/wire and outlets into my shop. I'm bummed, but I'll check with our power provider, perhaps I can still get it returned here. But assuming I'm stuck with single phase, how would you folks suggest I configure my KF700pro. Should I go ahead and order 3 phase and perhaps hardwire a rotory coverter into my shop(maybe I could still utilize those breakers?). Or do I take advantage of the variable frequency/variable speed conversion option from Felder? Is this option avilable with motors larger than 4hp, like 5.5hp as I want? thanks alot, Jason Gant To Post a message, send it to: felder-woodworking@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: felder-woodworking-unsubscribe@... Visit the group web site: |
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Re: Posting Pictures
Scott Slater
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From the main page, click on Files (left side). A number of folders will appear on the right side, click on the folder that you want to upload files to. If the you want to post a photo of work or your shop click on: Member Shop and Project Pictures - create a folder inside of this folder with your name When you are inside of this folder you will see some more folders with members names. Near the top right there is a link "Add Folder" Click this and make a new folder with your name. When the folder appears, in the list (you may have to refresh the screen) click on your folder. You will then have the option to add a file, click the "Add File" button on the right side, another screen will come up, allowing you to browse your hard drive for the file you want to upload. Click upload file after you see the name is correct. There is a read me on the top level of the files folder. We suggest that you use JPEG format for photos, and GIF for drawings. Quality should be set to medium, and the file should be less than 100 k. Scott -----Original Message-----
From: Natalie Johnston [mailto:dotcalm@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 8:33 AM To: felder-woodworking@... Subject: [felder-woodworking] Posting Pictures It seems like I ran across a link for posting photos to the group, but I can't find it now. How do I get there? Thanks, Natalie To Post a message, send it to: felder-woodworking@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: felder-woodworking-unsubscribe@... Visit the group web site: |
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My 3 Phase Dilema....the plot thickens!
Jason Gant
Hello again FOG,
Thanks for all the input so far on my 3 phase mystery. Please continue your input, as it may have to do more with my motor option than my wiring. I'll explain shortly. First - Rick, thanks for the concern and warnings. This to me is a sign of a true friend. No offense taken here and PLEASE send them my way when it even remotely seems I'm venturing upon danger. Again thanks! Today's findings: After closer inspection and re-metering everything I noticed leg A feeding into the Air Conditioner can also. This pretty much confirms my fears- leg A and either one of the others must supply the 240V to the air conditioner, and legs B and C have to be the same phase(as Charlie and Wolfgang suggested). Here's what's strange. The air conditioner unit before this one was 3 phase(thus the 3 wires feeding to the AC unit can). The power to the house(3 hots and a neutral) used to be 3 phase. My 3 hots feed from 3 different wires at the pole. But last year(about 15 months ago) we had a bad ice storm. Everyone on this city block lost power(downed transformer I guess?) for about a week. Perhaps at this time they eliminated the 3 phase and jumpered those 2 legs as one??? Had they jumpered legs A and one of the others to the same phase, I'd have had problems with the air conditioner. I'm just guessing this is what has happened, weird, hum??? This appears to be very bad news for me, as I've just dumped about the value of an AF22LN dust collector into "3 phase" breakers/service panel/wire and outlets into my shop. I'm bummed, but I'll check with our power provider, perhaps I can still get it returned here. But assuming I'm stuck with single phase, how would you folks suggest I configure my KF700pro. Should I go ahead and order 3 phase and perhaps hardwire a rotory coverter into my shop(maybe I could still utilize those breakers?). Or do I take advantage of the variable frequency/variable speed conversion option from Felder? Is this option avilable with motors larger than 4hp, like 5.5hp as I want? thanks alot, Jason Gant |
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Re: Posting Pictures
Geoff Shepherd
Natalie,
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Visit the group web site: If you've never been to the web site before, you'll be prompted to create a password for yourself. On the left hand side of the page, click on the Files heading. This is our shared file cabinet (it used to be called the Document Vault before they changed the system around). You will see a list of folders for different categories of information. You probably want to post your pictures in the "Members Shop & Project Pictures" folder. Create your own sub-folder in the Members folder (there will be a link at the top of the listing that does this). Go into your new folder, and notice the link at the top of the listing for uploading a file. From there, it is pretty much self-guiding. There is a "Read this before you upload" instruction file you'll see when you first go into the Files section (at the root level anyway). It contains some good tips on uploading. With just shy of 100 members on our group now, I hope more people visit and make use of the Files section. It's a lot of fun to see pictures of member's shops and projects. And, don't be shy to upload a shop picture... I nominate myself for the most claustrophobic and cluttered shop picture, so if someone thinks they can do better than that, they better get a picture uploaded to prove it! ;-) -- Geoff Shepherd ----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie Johnston <dotcalm@...> To: <felder-woodworking@...> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 8:32 AM Subject: [felder-woodworking] Posting Pictures It seems like I ran across a link for posting photos to the group, but Ican't find it now. How do I get there? |
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Re: 3-Phase question...need answer???
Wolfgang Geiger
Dear Jason,
First of all I also would recommend to hire a qualified technician to help you with your electrical questions. You may also call you power supply service company and find out which hook up you have (or check your electricity bill). From what you mention in your e-mail I also would say you only have 1 phasesupply. In a 3 phase net you 240V between all phases. (L1 - phase 1, L2 - phase 2, L3 - phase 3). We you measure between L1 - L2, L1 - L3 and L2- L3 you should always get a voltage range of 208 V - 240 V, depending on where you live. Between any phase and ground you should measure approx. 110 V. If you measure only 2 V between any of the connections you either are making a measuring mistake or you are measuring the same phase. Wolfgang ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Gant <rjasong@...> To: <felder-woodworking@...> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 7:19 PM Subject: [felder-woodworking] 3-Phase question...need answer??? Hi group,a neutral). One "hot" is a blue wire and resides on the right inside themeter can...I assume this is the third leg and will refer to it as leg "B".felder-woodworking-unsubscribe@...
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Re: 3-Phase question...need answer???
Charlie Norton
Are you sure this is 3 phase? It sounds as though the "c" and "b" legs are
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identical, which would means that there this just single phase coming into the box. If you only measure 2V between "b" and "c", how does this power the AC unit? Make sure your meter is on AC voltage and not DC. The DC measurement between these legs will be very low..should actually be under 2V. Good luck. -----Original Message-----
From: Jason Gant <rjasong@...> To: felder-woodworking@... <felder-woodworking@...> Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 7:25 PM Subject: [felder-woodworking] 3-Phase question...need answer??? Hi group,meter can...I assume this is the third leg and will refer to it as leg "B".felder-woodworking-unsubscribe@...
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Re: 3-Phase question...need answer???
Rick Strom
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I have Electrical Engineers who have worked for me for many years, heard this same comment so don't take offense: "don't touch it if you don't know what it is." Be carefull, you only get one chance at making a mistake when you mess with electricity, specifically 3 phase. If you are lucky, it will knock you on your ___, if your not, your children will inherit your tool. God was an electrical engineer, your nervous system is controlled by electrical pulses, if you hit it with high voltage, 60 cycles, your body, nervous system, will follow suit. Your heart rate cannot stand 60 cycles per second, that is exactly what happens when one gets electrocuted. First and foremost be carefull. Sermon is over. What you described is not right, something does not add up. Where did you check the voltage, was it on the line side or the load side of the meter? What type of meter are you using? How many times did you check it? A to B, A to C, B to C, on a 3 phase system should be the same. It would make no difference whether it be a Y or Delta system. You mentioned that all three legs to ground gave you 120v, which would be accurate for typical 120/240v 3p, 4w system. However, B to C should read 240v. Check it again, make sure you did not change the ratio on your meter. Rick Strom Virginia Operation -----Original Message-----
From: Jason Gant [mailto:rjasong@...] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 10:20 PM To: felder-woodworking@... Subject: [felder-woodworking] 3-Phase question...need answer??? Hi group, Could someone here please tell me what I need to be seeing inside my meter box? I have 4 wires feeding into my meter box from the pole (3 "hots" and a neutral). One "hot" is a blue wire and resides on the right inside the meter can...I assume this is the third leg and will refer to it as leg "B". Each of the 3 legs measure 120 volts AC to neutral. There is 240V between "A" and "C", and 240V between "A" and "B"(the blue '3rd' leg). I only measure 2V between "C" and "B"(the blue "3rd' leg). Is this right? Perhaps this is Delta connected rather than a Wye connected? I'm not too knowledgable on 3 phase. Also, "C" and "B"(the blue '3rd'leg) are the 2 legs pulled right out of my meter can into the 240V breaker can for my air conditioning unit. I feel bad filling everyones' mailbox with "non-Felder" related stuff. If this is a no-no please let me know, no problem here? But for me, this electrical project is the last hurdle before I "sign on the dotted line"...for my new KF700pro!!! Can anyone tell me what I have, and the readings I should be seeing? thanks, Jason Gant To Post a message, send it to: felder-woodworking@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: felder-woodworking-unsubscribe@... Visit the group web site: |
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Re: 3-Phase question...need answer???
Scott Slater
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Don't worry about sending this type of info out, this is what the group is for. I am not sure about your electrical question, I would suggest that you call up an electrician who knows about commercial applications. A home electrician may not be as knowledgeable as one that works on commercial installations. From what you are saying about the power, my assumption is that B and C are the same. From what I understand, 3 phase power is made up of 3 different hot wires on 3 different phases. This is the way that you can get constant voltage to the motor. This does not explain why the 2 legs are going to the AC at 240 v. When I check the power from my phase converter I get the following readings: A - B 240 v A - C 265 v (c is the manufactured phase and will be higher with no load) B - C 275 v When equipment is turned on, the loads are about the same (230 - 245 v). Good luck finding out, and when you do get an answer, please post it to the FOG. Scott Slater scott@... www.studiouw.com -----Original Message-----
From: Jason Gant [mailto:rjasong@...] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 7:20 PM To: felder-woodworking@... Subject: [felder-woodworking] 3-Phase question...need answer??? Hi group, Could someone here please tell me what I need to be seeing inside my meter box? I have 4 wires feeding into my meter box from the pole (3 "hots" and a neutral). One "hot" is a blue wire and resides on the right inside the meter can...I assume this is the third leg and will refer to it as leg "B". Each of the 3 legs measure 120 volts AC to neutral. There is 240V between "A" and "C", and 240V between "A" and "B"(the blue '3rd' leg). I only measure 2V between "C" and "B"(the blue "3rd' leg). Is this right? Perhaps this is Delta connected rather than a Wye connected? I'm not too knowledgable on 3 phase. Also, "C" and "B"(the blue '3rd'leg) are the 2 legs pulled right out of my meter can into the 240V breaker can for my air conditioning unit. I feel bad filling everyones' mailbox with "non-Felder" related stuff. If this is a no-no please let me know, no problem here? But for me, this electrical project is the last hurdle before I "sign on the dotted line"...for my new KF700pro!!! Can anyone tell me what I have, and the readings I should be seeing? thanks, Jason Gant To Post a message, send it to: felder-woodworking@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: felder-woodworking-unsubscribe@... Visit the group web site: |
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Eric Renzetti
lee apgar
John--Congrats on the birth of your son. I trust he did well on
his "APGAR" score. My great aunt, Dr Virginia Apgar, developed the score back in 1953. Thanks also for your early advise when I had just started looking at combo machines. I think that you steered me in the right direction. Congrats again. |
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3-Phase question...need answer???
Jason Gant
Hi group,
Could someone here please tell me what I need to be seeing inside my meter box? I have 4 wires feeding into my meter box from the pole (3 "hots" and a neutral). One "hot" is a blue wire and resides on the right inside the meter can...I assume this is the third leg and will refer to it as leg "B". Each of the 3 legs measure 120 volts AC to neutral. There is 240V between "A" and "C", and 240V between "A" and "B"(the blue '3rd' leg). I only measure 2V between "C" and "B"(the blue "3rd' leg). Is this right? Perhaps this is Delta connected rather than a Wye connected? I'm not too knowledgable on 3 phase. Also, "C" and "B"(the blue '3rd'leg) are the 2 legs pulled right out of my meter can into the 240V breaker can for my air conditioning unit. I feel bad filling everyones' mailbox with "non-Felder" related stuff. If this is a no-no please let me know, no problem here? But for me, this electrical project is the last hurdle before I "sign on the dotted line"...for my new KF700pro!!! Can anyone tell me what I have, and the readings I should be seeing? thanks, Jason Gant |
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lee apgar
Greetings. My name is Lee Apgar and I took delivery a couple of
weeks ago of my KF7X, AD751 and AF22LN dust collector. John Hartshorne showed up at my house in Riverside, CT just prior to the Hartford show and spent a fun-filled (for me anyways) couple of days getting me up and running. As if getting my machines were not enough, I also had a great time driving around the neighborhood in my rented fork-lift! Kudos to John and the rest of the Felder team for continuing to bolster the Felder reputation for helpful and timely advice and service. Thanks also to John Renzetti who steered me in the right direction early on in my thought process about what company to go with. Looking forward to getting to know all of the Felder owners. Lee |
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