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Re: Hello
Geoff Shepherd
Welcome to the group! I'm in Everett and was out your way on business a few
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years ago (in Orting, actually). Now there are at least four of us from this area on the felder-woodworking forum... maybe we should have a BBQ get-together this summer. I also have a used BF6-31... a 1997 model. My experience with Felder USA is similar - I think they intend to make lifetime customers out of us (isn't that sneaky of them). I feel like I bought a green Mercedes that makes sawdust instead of burning rubber. Pretty slick. If you don't mind, what is your first name? I only see your first initial... ..Geoff ----- Original Message -----
From: R. Barton <r_barton@...> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 8:04 PM Subject: [felder-woodworking] Hello Just logged on to this site and read with great interest all the(snip) |
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Camera-shy Shop now in Vault
Geoff Shepherd
OK, I couldn't put this off any longer, and having a messy shop is no
excuse! So, I just uploaded a 180-degree (well almost) view of my shop, as of a few days ago. It's getting a thorough spring cleaning now, so maybe I'll post an "after" picture later. You can see my recently acquired '97 BF6-31 front and center in the image. To the left of that is a plywood Felder mockup that I built before getting the machine to make sure I wouldn't be too crowded. In back is the Shopsmith, and to the right is my handy wood storage rack made from the "super-mega-heavy-duty" epoxy coated shelving system available at most home centers. The AF-22 is out of view to the left, and the phase converter/electrical stuff out of view on the right. I'll post pictures of those items a little later. Click on "Member Shop & Project Pictures" then on my name... Thanks for viewing.. -- Geoff Shepherd Everett, WA |
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Hello
Just logged on to this site and read with great interest all the
comments to Geoff's question. I was glad to hear (or rather read) that I have in fact made the right decision in purchasing a Felder BF 6-31. Although the machine was used and I'm still finessing with all the settings, I have to say the support of both the Felder USA "TEAM" and Felder Austria have reaffirmed my belief that after-market service is what this company is about. During the set-up process, I noted that both of the jointer tables had significantly warped and therefore would not provide an accurately jointed surface on longer/wider boards. After bringing this to the attention of Felder (mind you this machine was manufactured in 94') the company stepped up to replacing both tables at no expense. In addition John Hartshorne has been more than cordial in responding to all questions and issues. Now that is what I call service and standing behind your product. I'm located in the Orting Valley just outside of Tacoma, WA. and would like to meet other Felder owners in the general Puget Sound area. |
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Re: Felder as a replacement for Robland X31
Geoff Shepherd
Ooops - correction... my feelings of disappointment and compromise related
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to the X31, not the Hammer line, which I have not seen in person yet. ..Geoff ----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Shepherd <geoff@...> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re: Felder as a replacement for Robland X31 Agreed, although the Hammers offer some pretty attractive competition now. |
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Re: Felder as a replacement for Robland X31
Geoff Shepherd
Wow, what an interesting discussion with many excellent insights. I will
elaborate a bit on the more vague points from my original message. If it wasn't clear in my first message - I've never owned an X31, but did take a used one for a spin one rainy afternoon. Prior to that, I had been wanting one for about two years and did a lot of research including corresponding with present/past owners. When we talk about the pros/cons of anything, it should be understood that it is usually in a subjective context - my priorities are no doubt different than yours. Paul Jordan wrote: The following need further explanation in order to be fair: The 10-year-old machine I "took for a spin" had a steel support leg to be+ More elegant sliding table rail system - does not need floorsupport for full travel used with the sliding table rails. Other than that, I really liked the X31 slider until I looked at the Felders, which I feel is a "more elegant" design. A few points: the Felder rail system seems shorter and less in the way than that of the X31. The way the Felder table cantilevers all the way forward and back is amazing - it looks like magic. The spring-loaded end bumpers are another nice touch, along with the locking mechanism. The X31 had simple cotter pins for end bumpers and no supplied mechanism to secure the sliding table. If the rails got in your way, you would unclamp and slide them forward or back. It is a fine sliding table for its design, however. Of the owners I corresponded with, less-than-optimal dust collection was a+ Excellent dust collection all around [a couple non-owners havementioned this, but the X31 dc points are fair to pretty good] more common complaint. On the machine I looked at, the saw cabinet was full of shavings, and the jointer would leave piles of shavings on the planer table - and this was with the Robland 3HP dust collector connected via flex hose. There was no dust collection for the mortiser. I'm a stickler for good dust pickup, and the Felder really impressed me with the thorough attention to this aspect for all functions, including the mortiser. At the time I was looking, the only table extension available was a small+ Table extensions [available on the X31] one for use with the shaper portion. It could not be used on other parts of the machine, such as for the jointer, planer, or saw tables. I much preferred the versatility and variety of the Felder extension systems. Indeed, the X31 is fine, safety-wise. However, I feel the Felder offers even+ Better safety devices [??? - the X31 is fine in this regard] more in this department, such as the safety-interlock system to prevent starting in certain unsafe configurations, safety-bars for the shaper fence, etc. I also prefer the convenience of the "Euro-guard" for the Felder jointer, and the clear crown guard for the saw. My personal preference is for start and stop buttons at each station. It is+ Start and stop buttons at each working position [X31 has morethan enough stop buttons, don't need more start buttons] more convenient, and another level of safety as the machine will only let you start the motor for the mode you selected. This is a comment on the offset jointer table of the X31 requiring two rip+ Straight table edge for rip fence rail [??? - the X31 rip fenceworked fine - but I had the old style] fences. The new rip fence addresses this concern, but also introduces its own quirks. Yes, it works fine, but I found the straight table edge of the Felder a much better solution, and it works quite well. At the time I was looking at the X31, it was still up in the air as to what+ Disposable planer knives [I installed the Esta on the Roblandfor $231 and about 2 hours work, but you can now order them that system they were going to go with and how much extra it would cost... the salesman told me only a high-production shop really needs disposable blades and that as a hobbyist, standard blades would be more appropriate for me (hmm). The used machine I looked at had standard blades. Retrofitting the Esta system sounded good, but drilling and tapping the expensive cutter head sounded a little daunting to me. The Felders come standard with disposable blades. Correct me if I'm wrong. The tow-bar on the X31 doesn't latch, it+ Latching tow bar for moving the machine [same as X31] over-centers. After I saw the Felder design, I immediately liked the idea of its positive foot-operated latch mechanism. It offers a more secure connection, and you can move the bar up and down as needed without dropping the machine. It's one of the many small details that add up to a lot more money, but also convinced me to go with the Felder. Dave's post cleared that up. I assume the X31 cannot be retrofitted with the+ Optional outrigger can be removed when not needed [don't knowabout the LX31 outrigger] LX31 outrigger, whereas with the Felder this can be added later. All in all I feel the X31 is a fine machine for the dollars, but theAgreed, although the Hammers offer some pretty attractive competition now. After looking at the one machine, I went away feeling it would be an OK compromise, but was a little disappointed with the machining and design details compared to other tools I already owned. I did almost buy the machine, and I probably would have been happy with it for awhile. However, being a perfectionist with a mind for details it would have only been a matter of time before the itch to upgrade reared its head. ..Geoff |
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Felder
PAUL LAPIERRE
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOK. I just read all the discussion regarding Felder, X31,
Knapp, and Hammer, so here's my $.02.? I have a pro shop where I produce
custom furniture, cabinets and architectural millwork. My equipment has evolved
from a yard-sale Delta tilt-top tablesaw to an Altendorf F-90 and a new Felder
BF 7-41, from 1-phase to 3-phase. I've had contractor's saws and a vintage
Unisaw,?but at the urging (badgering!!) of a German born and trained
cabinetmaker friend ( "You don't know what a table saw is until you use a
sliding table saw!") I took the plunge, and after 6 mos. of researching sliding
table panel saws?I decided on the Altendorf F-90. I ordered it to my specs,
and after a 4-5 month wait it arrived in three crates. Getting it off the skid
and assembled took about 4 hours, but since all the parts were factory-set,
assembly was easy and virtually flawless.?This took place in 1984
and?the saw has been in continuous operation since and has needed NO
adjustment to continue to cut dead accurately. With this introduction to
European professional woodworking equipment my?expectations for any
subsequent machines have been pretty high. Later purchases of an Ayen
multi-spindle boring machine, a SCMI 9hp T-130 shaper, a SCM! 24" planer, and a
SCMI 25" wide-belt sander have supported those expectations- they have all
performed steadily, accurately, and reliably since they were installed.?
About 6yrs. ago I bought a used Felder BF5-31 (now owned by Phillip Tamarkin,
who seems to like it pretty well) as a back-up saw and to consolidate my
jointing-planing operation. It replaced the SCMI planer and a Delta 16" jointer,
and allowed?me to gain some additional floor space. The?shaper
and?mortiser functions were welcome extras. The Felder proved to be an
excellant machine and after some initial adjustments (with?written, FAXed
and verbal support from Felder in Austria--the?then current Felder dealer
in Canada was not very helpful) worked hard, steadily and reliably until it was
replaced by a new BF7-41 in Nov '99.? Some of you have seen my postings
here and on Badger Pond seeking advice/experience with?some adjustment
problems on the jointer/planer. I should mention that the machine had some
shipping damage before it was sold.? I was told that the damage was
cosmetic and not functional, and that it would be corrected and the machine set
to specs before it was to be shipped to me. Apparently things got a bit rushed
and?not everything?was attended to before?I got?it. From the
outset, Felder USA, has been very responsive and prompt in correcting any
problem.? John Hartshorn has spent quite a bit of time on the phone with me
giving me advice and specs, some of it on?his cell phone while driving
home! The problems are mostly worked out, and seem to have derived from the
shipping damage, rather than being inherent to the machine. John will be coming
to my shop in April to thoroughly check out and adjust the machine to factory
specs. The degree to which the Felder people will go to insure customer
satisfaction with their products is, in my opinion, extrordinary, and in my
experience , unprecedented.?
With respect to other combination machines on the market, my
experience is limited to?having seen them at shows. My observations are
pretty much borne-out by the comments of others previously.? I did look
closley at the Knapp, and while it seems to be well built I didn't think that
there was anything there to justify the price difference between it and a
comparably equipped Felder. I did like that all dust extraction is concentrated
at one? end of the machine, and the fixed index points for common angle
settings for the cross-cut fence was a plus.
One of my current?jobs is to design and equip a
woodworking shop for a very wealthy client. For equipment I've ordered and am
soon to receive a shop-ful of Hammer machines with beaucoup accessories. I
ordered these last fall when the Hammer line was very new and?I had not
seen any of the machines in person. The salesman, Larry Emmons, was very helpful
and informative, and between Larry and my experience with my BF5-31 and Felder
in Austria, I felt confident enough to recommend the equipment to my
client.??He agreed and? will soon have a woodworking shop I would
have?lusted for when I started my business!?Having seen all the Hammer
machines?at the Fort Washington AWW show in Nov.,I believe both my and his
expectations will be fulfilled.??
Sorry for the length of this post, but I tend to save things
up and put them all out at once.
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Hope this has been helpful,
Paul LaPierre
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Felder Support
Rick Strom
Good Morning:
As I read the comments about the Felder, and the experiences with the X31, I now , more clearly, understand the comments about the characteristics of the Felder machines. Not only is there quality in the machine, so you will find in the customers Felder has developed. As some of you have read, I am in the process of deciding which options I want, on which machine. As John mentioned in one of his emails, the specification process takes the longest time, to get it right. I don't own a machine, yet, but like many of you have experienced with other manufacturers the support falls short of the mark if compared to the Felder line. I requested information several weeks ago on both the Knapp and the Altendorf. Several years ago I attended a show in which all three companies had their machines displayed. I spent several hours looking at the X31, I even kept the factory reps there after the normal show was over and asked if we could assemble, and disassemble the machine. Every option, and every attachment was put on and taken off, the bottom line was, (first they were pissed because I did not buy the machine, even after special discounts to take it home) the engineering and quality were not there. To change from one operation to the next, and then back, I had little or no confidence the machine was still true. John, thanks again for the introduction to this site. Several have made comments about the sales approach the Felder guys have, no pressure. It's obvious why, the Felder owners sell the machines and are the agressors. Rick Strom |
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Re: Felder as a replacement for Robland X31
Tom Gee
Approximately three years prior to purchasing my KF-7X (which I took
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delivery of in early 1999), I visited a Robland dealer in Silver Spring, Md. This is close to where I live in Clifton, Va. I visited on three occasions and on two of them spent about 3.5 hours each just fiddling with the machine, running it, and generally getting accustomed to its operation. After that, I decided not to buy one. My decision was based largely on the X-31's engineering: 1. It did not run smoothly. Even with no load on the machine, the saw table vibrated noticeably. This was unacceptable for a machine of this type. 2. There was play in the sliding table. I can't remember whether it was lateral or vertical. 3. The sliding table required floor support. 4. The main table was not flat and the extensions seemed not to mate correctly. 5. I can't remember the capacity of the motors, but I do remember that I felt that they were not large enough. 6. The table didn't seem to be designed with accessories in mind. In addition, I felt that the dealer support wasn't strong enough. I never got far enough to decide if the factory support was adequate. I may have had other concerns which I have since forgotten. However, these were enough to convince me that I would not be happy with the purchase. I hope that you will take this as my 'personal' opinion only. It's based solely on my needs, some of which are admittedly eccentric. Thus, it may not apply to others or to their situations. However, satisfying those needs as well as the more obvious engineering needs was a part of my overall goal. Felder has done both, so my marriage to Felder has been a good one, one that I've not yet regretted. TGee "Dennis L. Jacob" wrote:
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IWF 2000
John Renzetti
Just as a reminder, the IWF 2000 will be held in Atlanta on the 24th to
27th of August. You can register online at www.iwf2000.com I just registered and also made a hotel reservation. there are not many rooms left downtown near the Center. The closest top quality hotel near the Center that has rooms left is the Ritz Carlton. This is where the Felder sales team has reservations. :) Hope to see a lot of you at the IWF in Atlanta this year. John Renzetti Chadds Ford, PA |
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Robland X-31
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýPaul J is correct that I used to have a Robland. I had one of
the earlier models of the X-31 and I think they have improved some things in the
past few years. Having said that I still believe the Felder is a far superior
machine both from the engineering and the fit and finish. I noted David Mc
returned his Robland and I have a friend in Daytona that also returned a Robland
in the past year. I agree with most of the items mentioned in the previous
messages as regards the differences. After using a Felder at Parnham in England
my machine (X-31) seemed worse than it had when I was ignorant of the higher
precision Felder.I especially like the?brake, the sliding table, and the
reproducibly precise settings of the height and angle adjusters of the Felder.
The sliding table also allows a 45 degree setting either direction which I find
useful.I also prefer to work in metric and ordered all my adjusters in metric. I
think a lot of the preference has to do with the personality type of the
user.?If you are in an exacting profession such as airline pilot, engineer,
etc you are probably not going to accept some lack of tolerance in a machine
that other people would find perfectly adequate for their needs.
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Paul
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Re: Felder as a replacement for Robland X31
I purchased an LX-31, the one with the outrigger table arrangement to
support large panels. I returned the machine within the 30 day money back guarantee period. I would never consider a Robland again because I didn't like the adjustments, that is the lack of adjustments. If I could not have taken the big leap up in expense to by the used Felder BF6-41 I would have gone back to single machines. I wasn't aware of the Hammer line when I purchased mine. Laguna was very good to me though I had to really hold the line on the 30 day money back guarantee. I did get all my money back, which I am sure some suppliers would not do. Considering Laguna payed for shipping the machine to me and back to them, I feel in the end they did a great job of up holding the 30 day money back guarantee. Dislikes of the LX-31 I had to set up the machine when it arrived and it would not adjust to the tolerances as was claimed. I could not get the sliding table to level up to the table saw table. One jointer table was not flat, which they exchanged for a flat one Both jointer tables had play in the hinges so that you could deflect the tables significantly, they sent me extra hinges that were tighter. Lever mechanism for table saw height adjustment. The outrigger table was a major operation to remove, best left on all the time, as opposed to the easy removal of the Felder outrigger table. The rolling carriage was inadequate and you could tip the machine over if you were not careful. The Felder system makes the machine very easy to move. What really convinced me that I didn't want the LX-31 Robland was that I realized that I would have to spend a lot of time fiddling with the machine and less time on woodworking. The Felder is a System and the options, workmanship, quality make for a rugged machine. As you can tell I did not like the Robland, and was glad to get out from under it. David -------------------------- David and Julie McCulloch Port Townsend, WA 360-385-3912 jdmcc@... -------------------------- |
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Re: Felder as a replacement for Robland X31
Dennis-
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I imagine the x31 is a fine machine for many people. Comparing the two machines however is a classic example of getting what you pay for. The x31 is a good machine, the felder is excellent if not the best, with far more features, options, and capabilities. As with any tool, serious people should always get the best they can afford. For some, the extra cost of the felder is worth it, even as amateurs. As a professional, it is most certainly worth it to me even though as a woodworker, money is never floating around. As daunting as the price tag was, I knew the felder was the only smart option for a professional. Sure enough, I'm thrilled with it, even after coming from a shop full of seperate (lesser) machines. Knapp came out after I ordered my machine, and obviously I would have considered it. All I know of it is from their ads and web site. My impression is that while it may be more massive than the felder, it doesn't appear to be as refined. At anyrate, I'd be curious to see one. You should know if you don't already, that felders don't take dadoe blades. Happy mulling, Frits Maas BF741F FB640 What I would like to know, are for those individuals who owned or were |
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Re: [felder] Felder as a replacement for Robland X31
Paul Jordan
Hmmm Dennis. Yes, I'm one ex X31 owner in the crowd - but so is
Paul Schumacher I believe? First off one has to compare apples to apples. Make sure you are comparing the X31 with the 12" versions of the Felder or Hammer combo's. Different designs with plusses and minuses abound. As for why I changed, I wanted to split up the X31 functions and wanted a larger jointer. So the Hammer A3-41 and the Hammer B3 replaced the X31. For detailed comparisons, I can use Geoff's post as a good start: The following reasons for Felder/Hammer over an X31 I think are fair and relevent: ---------------------------------------------------------------- + Felder is well known for superlative customer support &no-pressure sales + Full length sliding table right next to blade (almostzero-clearance) + More rules and indicatorsThe following, while true, I don't think are critically important. You might however: ---------------------------------------------------------------- + Tilting shaper spindleThe following need further explanation in order to be fair: ---------------------------------------------------------------- + More elegant sliding table rail system - does not need floorsupport for full travel [the X31 slider works just fine and you don't needfloor support] + Excellent dust collection all around [a couple non-owners havementioned this, but the X31 dc points are fair to pretty good] + Table extensions [available on the X31] + Better safety devices [??? - the X31 is fine in this regard] + Start and stop buttons at each working position [X31 has morethan enough stop buttons, don't need more start buttons] + Straight table edge for rip fence rail [??? - the X31 rip fenceworked fine - but I had the old style] + Disposable planer knives [I installed the Esta on the Roblandfor $231 and about 2 hours work, but you can now order them that way] + Latching tow bar for moving the machine [same as X31] + Optional outrigger can be removed when not needed [don't knowabout the LX31 outrigger] All in all I feel the X31 is a fine machine for the dollars, but the Felder/Hammers are in a different class in terms of fit and finish. P. |
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Re: Felder as a replacement for Robland X31
Geoff Shepherd
I almost bought an X-31, but managed to hang tight for the Felder BF6-31.
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Just off the top of my head, hear are quite a few reasons why: + Felder is well known for superlative customer support & no-pressure sales + Full length sliding table right next to blade (almost zero-clearance) + More elegant sliding table rail system - does not need floor support for full travel + Excellent dust collection all around + Table extensions + Tilting shaper spindle + Multiple shaper speeds + High-speed router spindle + More rules and indicators + Digital read-outs optional + Better safety devices + Electric brakes + Start and stop buttons at each working position + Straight table edge for rip fence rail + Disposable planer knives + Latching tow bar for moving the machine + Higher horsepower 3-phase motors + Jointer tables not in the way for planing + 12" saw blade + Better machining/attention to detail + Optional outrigger can be removed when not needed Despite all this, the X-31 costs significantly less than the Felders, so it was tempting. At the time I was considering the X-31, it was the only viable lower-cost option. Now Felder has brought their Hammer line to the US, which isn't much if any more expensive than the Robland, yet incorporates most of the basic features of the regular Felder line into a lower cost unit. I know we have at least one ex-X-31 (haha) owner here.. maybe he'll chime in. Take care... ..Geoff ----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L. Jacob <dljacob@...> To: <felder-woodworking@...> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 11:50 PM Subject: [felder-woodworking] Felder as a replacement for Robland X31 What I would like to know, are for those individuals who owned or were |
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Felder as replacement for X31
John Renzetti
Hi Dennis, I never really considered the X31 when I bought the
Felders. I had seen them demonstrated and thought that this was a nice machine for the money asked. The things I didn't like about it were it's dust collection capability, lack of options,no insert tooling available at that time, and the slider not close to the blade. Plus I always got a bad feeling about Laguna's used car sales techniques. At the Anaheim show, I was looking at the LagunaLT18 with Charlie Norton. Charlie was considering buying it at the time. I asked the salesman about checking the machine and making sure that it was ready to go. His reply was, "we don't that, we're in this for the volume..." So much for that sale. The Knapp machine has some good features like Charlie mentioned. However we were quoted a price of $7000 over what a comparable BF7-41 costs. It also wasn't engineered as well as the Felder, in that adding options after the machine is delivered did not look possible. With the Felder what you don't order now can be added later. Case in point is that John Hartshorne just installed an electric table lift in Rich McComas's machine. Rich lives in Alaska. The Knapp styling looked dated, and clunky. It doesn't do anything for me like an Altendorf, Martin, or Felder. Take care, John Renzetti |
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Re: Felder as a replacement for Robland X31
Charlie Norton
I have a BF 7-41 and had an opportunity to look at the new Knapp machine
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several times (Laguna Tools is not far from our home). The Knapp machine appears to be a first rate product, with some advantages over the Felder: 1. The Knapp is built with heavier materials, at least on the frame and sliding table components that are visible from the outside. 2. The handwheels operate more smoothly, although this may not be an entirely fair comparison since my machine has been used and has dust on the mechanisms, and the Knapp was unused. 3. The sliding table is a little smoother. Not a big deal at all IMHO. There are, I am sure, lots of other more significant items that I have not covered, yet I'm not sure one can garner those details w/o cutting some wood. There is one area where I perceive a tremendous plus for Felder: Factory support in the US. There is probably nothing more frustrating than paying big money for a machine like this and then not getting competent support when something goes wrong. Nothing against Laguna Tools, perhaps they do a great job supporting these machines, but I have first hand experience with Felder and Felder US does goes the extra mile for their customers. Felder has US based people who are very familiar with the machine and can talk you through issues right on the phone. They also have a good catalogs to help with accessories and tooling (where the real money is spent!). That is my 2 cents! -----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L. Jacob <dljacob@...> To: felder-woodworking@... <felder-woodworking@...> Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 11:52 PM Subject: [felder-woodworking] Felder as a replacement for Robland X31 What I would like to know, are for those individuals who owned or werefelder-woodworking-unsubscribe@...
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Felder as a replacement for Robland X31
Dennis L. Jacob
What I would like to know, are for those individuals who owned or were
knowledgeable with the Robland X31, and traded or sold it that replaced it with a Felder machine. I currently own a X31, and want to know what differences there are between the two companies products. What pros and cons comparing the two products? Partially, are there features on the X31 that you would wish for on the Felder? Is the Felder much, much better in some other area? Secondly, is anyone familiar with Laguna Tools new "Signature Line" of combo machines made by Knapp? Laguna is billing them out as the best, cost no object. They appear to be very close in appearance with the Felder machines. So any information would be appreciated. Thank you. Happy shop-ping, Dennis L. Jacob |
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New uploads to vault
John Renzetti
I made a couple of uploads to the vault today. One is a formula I found
that would help you estimate how many board feet of lumber you could get from a log. The other is one that Phil Tamarkin gave me about overarm blade guards and getting a chip free cut, if you don't have a scoring attachment. They are in the technical folder of the news info folder(hope that made sense) |
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New member
Steve Jenkins
Thanks to John R. for directing me here. I have ordered a planer
(D7-51) and mortiser FD-250. Hopefully won't be the two month wait i was told but they will get here eventually. I ordered the planer with the rubber infeed and outfeed rollers. Has anyone used them? Thanks, looking forward to visiting here often. Steve |
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