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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI¡¯ve never gotten anything free from Felder either. ?So I made my own T-shirt. ?There is also this variety. ?LOL You can get these, and stickers for your tape measure, machine sides, and laptop??. ? ? David Best DBestWorkshop@... https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/ https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýJim, I sent you two DM¡¯s on this topic including links. ?I would strongly suggest you consider whether you really need 20-inch capacity. ?The smaller AD941 would be a much more reliable machine IMO. ?If you do honestly need 20-inch capacity and want to say in the Felder tent, then give serious consideration to separates such as the A951L jointer in combination with a D951 planer. ?If you don¡¯t have the room, butt still insist on 20-inch capacity, I recommend you seriously consider the SCM machines.The chassis on the Dual 51 has been expanded and beefed up in the latest release, and the table elevation mechanism requires less effort. ?But the design of the table elevation and hinge mechanism has not changed and the issues with table alignment remain a concern. ? David Best DBestWorkshop@... https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/ https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
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You gotta work em at IWF and AWFS!
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Felder need to up their game on the give aways!
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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
I did talk to Sam today, They have a couple of the FS-52es's in stock but they are single phase with the smaller motor. I am considering still going with that or going to the smaller FS-41es. The Fs 41es is hard to beat that for the money. I did get prices on the felders Seperates, D963, Exact 63 and the A951L. Just confuses me more, lol.?
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When looking at separates, the space-saving fence on the A951L seems really appealing for a smaller shop (I'm wondering about this myself). I don't know if anyone here has any direct experience with that machine though.
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When I ordered my FS-52es, Sam Blasco said that SCM North America usually tries to keep one or two in stock, so if you need something in a hurry I think it would be worth a call to see what is in stock, and/or what may already be on a ship and arriving soon.?
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Have you considered a 410mm machine? The FS-41es and FS-52es are essentially identical, other than width of cutterblock. If you want/need something in a hurry, that may be a worthwhile option, and if you outgrow the -41es you should be able to sell it without much fuss....?
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There is one difference, It takes two button presses to engage the programmed features.? You press the program and then the blue lit button.? For some options it takes three - function, execute then the blue lit button.
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I watched the video and realized my quality control on the video was poor - I have re-done the main video and I will re-do the secondary one as well.? Probably post the first one in a few hours after it renders and uploads.
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Thanks again for the information. Do you think the newer Dual 51's have inproved over the older version in both set up time and the issues with the bed calibration?
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The one I am looking at is the loaded version with the digi drive and seg rollers. I am indeed of something quick, I did find a SCM 630 with xylent head and a nova 520 if I wanted to go seperates. I love the idea of the space savings offered with the Dual 51 but don't want to regret buying it. I am currently a one man shop but process a fair share of rough cut.? |
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Thanks for watching Murray,?
Most of the cutters of this type i grind myself. It's what i love about the system, it's a lot like slotted collars being able to grind my own cutters to what ever i need. The locating pins make the system much safer than the old slotted collars, at least if the retaining pins are removed (which they often were! :) ) The pins however mean that your grinding has to be pretty spot on as there's no ability to adjust the cutting circle of each knife individually like slotted collars where even with the retaining pins in, there is a little bit of room to adjust the knives in and out. I will make a video of how i do it next time i need to grind cutters. If you have watched many of my videos, you may have actually seen that when using this type of cutter, i often don't have limiter knives. Typically if i am grinding knives, it's for a small run, often a one off job. In this case, the cost of having cutters ground, just doesn't make sense. With good set up and work practices on the shaper, operating the machine without limiter knives can be safe. As i write this, i am thinking i definitely need to do that video now so i can better explain the do's and dont's when operating this way.
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi PK:
Thanks so much for your video. It¡¯s well done! I see the SCM electronics are very sophisticated. There¡¯s a fair bit more programming ability in it, when compared to Digidrive.?
Maybe there¡¯s one point of difference in favour of the Felder offering? Maybe, but probably not. When using the incremental mode, I need to press a single button as I walk by from out-feed to in-feed, for the planer table to move to the next
position. Is it the same for you?
Regardless, it seems clear that your machine is superior. Particularly for maintaining calibration of the jointer tables, and the fast changeover process. You were very generous with your ¡°6 seconds¡±; it looked crazy fast/easy!
I really don¡¯t have space for separates and I was unsure what I¡¯d buy if/when my Dual 51 kicks the bucket. SCM would be very hard to beat.?
Thanks again.?
Warm regards,
Lucky
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Sent: Monday, December 30, 2024 1:48:03 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FOG] Looking at FELDER Dual 51 ?
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The L'invincible FS 7 has SCM's version of Digi-Drive.? It is the only J/P combo from SCM with it.? It is called Ready 3.? You do not need to lower the bed if it is 25mm or more.
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Re: WTB: F coupling rails 600 or 300 mm
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI don¡¯t have one for sale. This is Felder option for 20¡± Dual 51. My Felder tables have the height adjustment but the Jointer came predrilled, I can use the table from planer to the jointer w/o making adjustment. The bar sits 36.5 mm below the jointer table surface. In your case, you would want to install the bar at the same height as the other machine that you use the table with. Imran Malik IAM Wood Creations On Dec 30, 2024, at 11:22?AM, Tim Perez via groups.io <t.w.perez@...> wrote:
? Greetings, I want to add some F coupling rails to my 20 inch Davis and Wells bandsaw so I can use my felder table extensions on it. ?I thought I would check with the group To see if anyone had some for sale. Also, if anyone has the dimension drawings or installation instructions, that would be great if I could check the fit before I went through a purchase. Much appreciated.
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WTB: F coupling rails 600 or 300 mm
Greetings, I want to add some F coupling rails to my 20 inch Davis and Wells bandsaw so I can use my felder table extensions on it. ?I thought I would check with the group To see if anyone had some for sale. Also, if anyone has the dimension drawings or installation instructions, that would be great if I could check the fit before I went through a purchase. Much appreciated.
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Jim Synyard
Larry Long Neck
Tom Gensmer
Bryce Comer
David Luckensmeyer
imran
Tim Perez