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Re: OT: What totally unexpected things you have found in the shop
Tim Ruth,
I didn¡¯t anticipate the woodchuck (as I remember them as) Bees ? eating the lumber outside but covered on racks, I was more concerned about termites and vermin. Those bees are scary looking but not aggressive. Their tunnels were very smooth and well crafted, perhaps they should be called woodworker bees?
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Bryce,
For this reason, I asked Laurie about speeding up or brake disengaging. He confirmed that it actually speeds up. So my first shot in the dark is that K1 contacts are sticking.
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On Oct 31, 2024, at 1:24?PM, Bryce Comer via groups.io <bryce@...> wrote: ? Ok, so here is a pic of the brake board. It should allow some adjustment, see picture, should be P1-Time to stop ?P2-Torque to stop faster. It is a fine balance, the board can wear out over time making full adjustment range not possible. Fine adjustments suggested!!
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Bryce
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Bob,
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I use Four cameras:
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- Sony Alpha 6100 - was the main, now shared with the next camera (with a Rode wireless lavalier system)
- DJI Osmo Pocket 3
- Apple iPhone 16 pro max
- GoPro Hero 11 - no longer used as I cannot correct the banding in the video with my new lights in the new shop (yes I have tried the built in correction with the GoPro and I have also tried to do it in post with DaVinci but it is just to much of a hassle)
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I self shoot and have two tripods.? I like the Osmo pocket 3 but the Sony has slightly better video and the wireless mic system I have works better than the Osmo.? The Osmo is easy though.
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PK
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
Bryce,
My experience with homemade gas strut is similar. I have vario4 which is pretty heavy. I don¡¯t have video of lifting but I can start the lift with one finger.
I do have a video of taking it down as it can be seen there is not much load on the user.
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On Oct 31, 2024, at 1:19?PM, Bryce Comer via groups.io <bryce@...> wrote:
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Reading through the comments on this thread, its really interesting to hear that some people are still finding lifting the feeder a bit of a chore even with the gas strut assisted bracket. I just got one when i bought my new machine, and find it an absolute game changer! I had the regular tilt away bracket on my old machine with the F38 feeder, and that really was a chore to lift. Admittedly i have the Comatic DC40 on the new machine so a lighter unit for sure, & mounted on the tilt away bracket with the gas strut, but oh my what a difference! I can lift it up with one hand and very little effort at all. I always put the feeder into a certain position before tilting it away, so wonder if that has something to do with how easy it is?
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Great question Bob! I would like to know that too! Chris Rozycki?
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On Oct 31, 2024, at 11:55?AM, Bob Wise via groups.io <bob@...> wrote:
? Maybe slightly off topic, but wondering if the members would be willing to share what gear they use to shoot shop videos? Especially if you self-shoot without an assistant. Are you using a phone? Dedicated camera and tripod? Something like an Osmo 3?
-Bob
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
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The Felder F48 feeder is a beast in terms of mass. ?Plus it has the old style collar and dual knuckle that is used to rotate it from horizontal to vertical work. ?if it was relegated to being used solely in one position, on a machine that didn't require tilting it out of the way, it would be awesome.
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I used it with the gas assisted tilting mount for three years and came to dread moving it into and out of position. ?I have the smart stand and a DC70 on my F700z shaper. ?that worked out great. ?so I took the opportunity to duplicate that setup on my KF700. ?Now that I have it installed and learned how to raise and lower it, I've fount it easier to get it up and down largely because there iis much less weight hanging on the end of the arm. ? One still needs to be careful, but it is definitely an improvement.
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I still think it can be improved further, possibly with a second assist cylinder. ?When I go down that rabbit hole, I will bring the subject forward again.
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Thanks for your comments.
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On 10/31/2024 10:18 AM PDT Bryce Comer <bryce@...> wrote:
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Reading through the comments on this thread, its really interesting to hear that some people are still finding lifting the feeder a bit of a chore even with the gas strut assisted bracket. I just got one when i bought my new machine, and find it an absolute game changer! I had the regular tilt away bracket on my old machine with the F38 feeder, and that really was a chore to lift. Admittedly i have the Comatic DC40 on the new machine so a lighter unit for sure, & mounted on the tilt away bracket with the gas strut, but oh my what a difference! I can lift it up with one hand and very little effort at all. I always put the feeder into a certain position before tilting it away, so wonder if that has something to do with how easy it is?
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHdrRaAZd_pOa7wwbdNPUEw
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
?Bryce are you using the Felder stand with the comatic?
Reading through the comments on this thread, its really interesting to hear that some people are still finding lifting the feeder a bit of a chore even with the gas strut assisted bracket. I just got one when i bought my new machine, and find it an absolute game changer! I had the regular tilt away bracket on my old machine with the F38 feeder, and that really was a chore to lift. Admittedly i have the Comatic DC40 on the new machine so a lighter unit for sure, & mounted on the tilt away bracket with the gas strut, but oh my what a difference! I can lift it up with one hand and very little effort at all. I always put the feeder into a certain position before tilting it away, so wonder if that has something to do with how easy it is?
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Ok, so here is a pic of the brake board. It should allow some adjustment, see picture, should be P1-Time to stop ?P2-Torque to stop faster. It is a fine balance, the board can wear out over time making full adjustment range not possible. Fine adjustments suggested!!
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Bryce
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https://www.brycecomerwoodworks.com/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHdrRaAZd_pOa7wwbdNPUEw
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Sounds like the brake board might need some adjustment. I will look for some documentation and get back to you. There are two pots to adjust, and it only takes the slightest tweek to make a difference.
Regards,
Bryce
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHdrRaAZd_pOa7wwbdNPUEw
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
Reading through the comments on this thread, its really interesting to hear that some people are still finding lifting the feeder a bit of a chore even with the gas strut assisted bracket. I just got one when i bought my new machine, and find it an absolute game changer! I had the regular tilt away bracket on my old machine with the F38 feeder, and that really was a chore to lift. Admittedly i have the Comatic DC40 on the new machine so a lighter unit for sure, & mounted on the tilt away bracket with the gas strut, but oh my what a difference! I can lift it up with one hand and very little effort at all. I always put the feeder into a certain position before tilting it away, so wonder if that has something to do with how easy it is?
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https://www.brycecomerwoodworks.com/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHdrRaAZd_pOa7wwbdNPUEw
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Maybe slightly off topic, but wondering if the members would be willing to share what gear they use to shoot shop videos? Especially if you self-shoot without an assistant. Are you using a phone? Dedicated camera and tripod? Something like an Osmo 3?
-Bob
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
As you get older flipping the feeder up is more of a chore.
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I use a nylon strap around the feeder and a small chain hoist to raise or lower it, no risk of an injury to myself or the feeder.
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Regards, Rod.
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Re: OT: What totally unexpected things you have found in the shop
Philip,
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?????? Carpenter bees are a real pest. They do love redwood. Glad it worked out for you in the end. Tom Ruth
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
I have??standard PF with Vario4 on KF700.?In 20+ yrs I believe couple of times the joints were not as tight as they needed to be while I was tilting. So I suggest locking the joint with memo pin miss aligned such that if any rotation occurs it is moving away from the pin as opposed to towards it.
I would also make sure that a repair kit to replace memo pin is available. In fact, I would buy one. The way my luck works, if I buy it I likely won¡¯t need it ?
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On Oct 31, 2024, at 6:56?AM, Andy via groups.io <andy.raynor08@...> wrote: ? Thanks for the update!? I was watching this closely as I really like the smart stand features but didn¡¯t know if it would work with the Felder tilt away bracket. Seems like an easy fix. Well done.?
OK, my plan worked. I was able to fabricate a 5/8" thick piece of steel to insert between the lift assist bracket and the tilting mount.? That provided just enough room to move the smart stand base so that the bolt holes lined up with those in the mount..
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Tilting the feeder is about the same as before in terms of difficulty.? I think I will try to attach an additional lift assist cylinder on the opposite side, or see if I can get a stronger one for the left side.
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BTW, it is imperative that one tightens down both of the swivel locks on the smart stand before. lowering it into saw mode.? Once down, the bottom of the feeder, now facing up, is a couple of inches below the table surface.? So, no need to lift the saw chassis.
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Thanks again for everyone's comments.
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Alex B.
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Tom, Patrick, Imran and Andy,
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Thanks for the prompt reply.? I reached out to Kyle at Shop Gear to see if he had a solution.? No luck there.? Tom's solution will certainly work.? I just can't bring myself to take a grinder to the stand base. ?
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I've elected to take upper assist strut bracket off the tilting mount.? I will make and install a 5/8" "shim" between the bracket and mount.? This should provide me with the clearance needed to move the stand over to line up the bolt holes.? I am also going to look into adding a second assist strut to the right side of the mount if the weight is too much. ?
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I am hoping the difference in the weight of the DC70 vs the Felder F48 will offset the weight difference between the smart stand and the older stand.? The DC70 is 45 pounds, while the F48 is 80 pounds.? I don't know the weight difference between the stands, but I doubt it is 35 pounds.? The other consideration is the fact that when raising and lowering, the bulk of the weight transfer is due to the feeder being at the end of the arm. ?
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I'm hoping for an overall better experience, not only from the raising and lowering aspect, but also from the ease of use of the Comatic over the Felder.? Comatic has a much better design for rotating between horizontal and vertical positions for the feeder.
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Thanks everyone for your comments,
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Alex B
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On 10/30/2024 6:43 AM PDT Patrick Kane < pwk5017@...> wrote:
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I have the dc40 with the regular stand and a gas strut assist. The gas strut really only helps you on the lower half of the swing/arc. Once you reach a certain point, it is all on you. It isnt?like im fighting for my life, but everytime i flip the feeder up i think to myself, "i dont think i will be able to do this on my own when im 70". I am 36.
Patrick
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No worries, yeah the weight of the Smart Stand is such that, even with the gas strut, it feels like you're lifting the full weight of the stand, I can't imagine trying it without the gas strut. I suppose an enterprising individual could try to source a more robust strut, but then I'd worry about unanticipated consequences of transferring the load somewhere else....
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: File /General Information/BGHM_Shaper Training English.pdf uploaded
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I haven't had an opportunity to read through all of it quite yet, but from what I have read the machine translation generally makes sense.?
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Thank you Tom Trees (and by extension Joe Calhoon) for mentioning the document in a different thread.
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
Thanks for the update!? I was watching this closely as I really like the smart stand features but didn¡¯t know if it would work with the Felder tilt away bracket. Seems like an easy fix. Well done.?
OK, my plan worked. I was able to fabricate a 5/8" thick piece of steel to insert between the lift assist bracket and the tilting mount.? That provided just enough room to move the smart stand base so that the bolt holes lined up with those in the mount..
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Tilting the feeder is about the same as before in terms of difficulty.? I think I will try to attach an additional lift assist cylinder on the opposite side, or see if I can get a stronger one for the left side.
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BTW, it is imperative that one tightens down both of the swivel locks on the smart stand before. lowering it into saw mode.? Once down, the bottom of the feeder, now facing up, is a couple of inches below the table surface.? So, no need to lift the saw chassis.
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Thanks again for everyone's comments.
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Alex B.
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Tom, Patrick, Imran and Andy,
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Thanks for the prompt reply.? I reached out to Kyle at Shop Gear to see if he had a solution.? No luck there.? Tom's solution will certainly work.? I just can't bring myself to take a grinder to the stand base. ?
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I've elected to take upper assist strut bracket off the tilting mount.? I will make and install a 5/8" "shim" between the bracket and mount.? This should provide me with the clearance needed to move the stand over to line up the bolt holes.? I am also going to look into adding a second assist strut to the right side of the mount if the weight is too much. ?
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I am hoping the difference in the weight of the DC70 vs the Felder F48 will offset the weight difference between the smart stand and the older stand.? The DC70 is 45 pounds, while the F48 is 80 pounds.? I don't know the weight difference between the stands, but I doubt it is 35 pounds.? The other consideration is the fact that when raising and lowering, the bulk of the weight transfer is due to the feeder being at the end of the arm. ?
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I'm hoping for an overall better experience, not only from the raising and lowering aspect, but also from the ease of use of the Comatic over the Felder.? Comatic has a much better design for rotating between horizontal and vertical positions for the feeder.
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Thanks everyone for your comments,
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Alex B
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On 10/30/2024 6:43 AM PDT Patrick Kane < pwk5017@...> wrote:
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I have the dc40 with the regular stand and a gas strut assist. The gas strut really only helps you on the lower half of the swing/arc. Once you reach a certain point, it is all on you. It isnt?like im fighting for my life, but everytime i flip the feeder up i think to myself, "i dont think i will be able to do this on my own when im 70". I am 36.
Patrick
Hi Andy,?
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No worries, yeah the weight of the Smart Stand is such that, even with the gas strut, it feels like you're lifting the full weight of the stand, I can't imagine trying it without the gas strut. I suppose an enterprising individual could try to source a more robust strut, but then I'd worry about unanticipated consequences of transferring the load somewhere else....
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
OK, my plan worked. I was able to fabricate a 5/8" thick piece of steel to insert between the lift assist bracket and the tilting mount. ?That provided just enough room to move the smart stand base so that the bolt holes lined up with those in the mount..
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Tilting the feeder is about the same as before in terms of difficulty. ?I think I will try to attach an additional lift assist cylinder on the opposite side, or see if I can get a stronger one for the left side.
?
BTW, it is imperative that one tightens down both of the swivel locks on the smart stand before. lowering it into saw mode. ?Once down, the bottom of the feeder, now facing up, is a couple of inches below the table surface. ?So, no need to lift the saw chassis.
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Thanks again for everyone's comments.
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Alex B.
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On 10/30/2024 10:11 AM PDT Alex Bowlds via groups.io <aabj@...> wrote:
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Tom, Patrick, Imran and Andy,
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Thanks for the prompt reply. ?I reached out to Kyle at Shop Gear to see if he had a solution. ?No luck there. ?Tom's solution will certainly work. ?I just can't bring myself to take a grinder to the stand base. ?
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I've elected to take upper assist strut bracket off the tilting mount. ?I will make and install a 5/8" "shim" between the bracket and mount. ?This should provide me with the clearance needed to move the stand over to line up the bolt holes. ?I am also going to look into adding a second assist strut to the right side of the mount if the weight is too much. ?
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I am hoping the difference in the weight of the DC70 vs the Felder F48 will offset the weight difference between the smart stand and the older stand. ?The DC70 is 45 pounds, while the F48 is 80 pounds. ?I don't know the weight difference between the stands, but I doubt it is 35 pounds. ?The other consideration is the fact that when raising and lowering, the bulk of the weight transfer is due to the feeder being at the end of the arm. ?
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I'm hoping for an overall better experience, not only from the raising and lowering aspect, but also from the ease of use of the Comatic over the Felder. ?Comatic has a much better design for rotating between horizontal and vertical positions for the feeder.
?
Thanks everyone for your comments,
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Alex B
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On 10/30/2024 6:43 AM PDT Patrick Kane <pwk5017@...> wrote:
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I have the dc40 with the regular stand and a gas strut assist. The gas strut really only helps you on the lower half of the swing/arc. Once you reach a certain point, it is all on you. It isnt?like im fighting for my life, but everytime i flip the feeder up i think to myself, "i dont think i will be able to do this on my own when im 70". I am 36.
Patrick
Hi Andy,?
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No worries, yeah the weight of the Smart Stand is such that, even with the gas strut, it feels like you're lifting the full weight of the stand, I can't imagine trying it without the gas strut. I suppose an enterprising individual could try to source a more robust strut, but then I'd worry about unanticipated consequences of transferring the load somewhere else....
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Felder Disintegrating Hose
?What a pain to install the short hose for under the spindle dust collection on KF700. I did spend some time to find 80 mm hose but did not find much other than Felder and McMaster Carr. I went with McMaster Carr which is less flexible than the typical spiral hose.
Blo-R-Vac Flexible Duct Hose for Dust, Black TPR Rubber, 80mm ID, 86mm OD
https://www.mcmaster.com/53335K64
I will make a long story short. After trying multiple times unsuccessfully, including removing the under spindle collection basket and attaching the hose to it first, I decided to remove the dust port on the chassis and while it took some time to do so, the hose install went without a hitch. Here is the hose installed between the collection basket and the external port.
I think a flexible spiral hose would have been much simpler. Actual distance the hose needs to span is 3¡± and then another 2¡± (1¡± for each port) to slide onto the ports.
The biggest obstacle in removing the external dust collection port is the access to the top 2 of the 4 mounting screws. This is under the plastic cover on my machine. This required me to remove the cover. I had to remove 2 studs at the bottom of the tilt bracket to be able to slide the cove out. Would be a lot easier on machine without a tilt bracket. Mine is a 2002 KF700. Here is a pic as newer machines are likely different.
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 2:44?PM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote: ? Major or minor? All in the eyes of the beholder. It was a major pain in the ass to fix, especially with no guidance or assistance from the manufacturer. Just sayin¡¯ Chris Rozycki? On Oct 28, 2024, at 2:33?PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Chris, I am sure you can make just as good a product as Felder on your Hammer. Just have to deal with some minor annoyances ?
On Oct 28, 2024, at 2:28?PM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote:
? Thanks Imran! I guess that¡¯s what I get for buying a $15,000 hobby horse instead of a real horse ?! My bad! Chris Rozycki? On Oct 28, 2024, at 11:50?AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Bill Belanger of fog may be able to help! Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 28, 2024, at 10:49?AM, mac campshure <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Paul on the side of the pond are use air handling contact is Kae?
Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 28, 2024, at 10:24?AM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote:
? How hard would it be to design and make a rectangular-to-round, metal, flexible adapter for the Felder/ Hammer saws that would simplify the transition and replacement? And why don¡¯t these really expensive saws come already equipped with that connector?? Seems like a really flawed design by Felder. Am I missing something?? Chris Rozycki? Hammer C3-31 owner Croz1950@... On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:57?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I purchased a 5¡± spiral hose from woodcraft which was the least flexible but super heavy duty.
This is what I use on the saw and since the blade swings to 45, it is very helpful that it is flexible and collapsible. At least if it doesn¡¯t fit the bill it can be returned easily.
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:37?AM, Jarrett Maxwell via groups.io <j.a.max7@...> wrote:
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Hey Paul,?
I recently purchased 4" dust hose from woodcraft that was surprisingly flexible. You may check their offerings to see what's available.?
Jarrett
Just a word of warning. I had a long length of Felder hose on my CF731. After it failed I bought a similar spec locally but it was too inflexible. So I ordered a replacement from Felder and it turned out also to be very inflexible? despite the website claiming otherwise. I have still to source a suitable supplier
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Re: File /General Information/BGHM_Shaper Training English.pdf uploaded
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On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 03:07 PM, Joe Calhoon wrote:
Google Translate is your friend with these books.?
The DVD that comes with them is helpful also.
The BGHM books are the best safety manuals. A lot better than the British HSE. They give the books out free at Fenester Bau. I did not see their booth this year.
If you are interested in shaper, sliding table saw and other stationary machines Guido Henn has several good books on these.
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Many thanks for mentioning this on the Creek recently Joe,?
Never came across this, though the UK HSE stuff mentioned aplenty, with thanks also to Dave for the translation.
Must look up Guido Henn to see if I can find more, I see he's got a recently made youtube channel, (wot's seemingly not created for shilling) looks like I might learn a few tips from him.
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Tom
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Google Translate is your friend with these books.?
The DVD that comes with them is helpful also.
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imran
PK
Bryce Comer
rodsheridan
Tom Gensmer
Tom Trees