Re: Thoughts on purchasing older F7 shapers?
I have a 1998 F7 with 39" sliding table.? Pre Covid and pre inflation, I figured it was worth about 4500-5000 with four wheel feeder and three spindles.? 8k still seems a little rich but my experience has been good.? The sliding table is pre X roll but still
very good.? The crosscut fence is not ideal but I made some mods that serve me well .? You do need to pay attention to the 90 degree stop.? Under a heavy cut ( I seldom take two passes ) the fence can move off the stop.
The base is stout enough to support the quill and not hanging it off the cast iron has some benefits.? Yes, the 10 motor makes no sense but that was the Felder promotion back then.? The machine new listed for about 6K.?? The larger motor should have no impact
on bearings.? It is a 90L frame backed with lots of windings so basically a small frame motor.? When it goes, you are toast as most 7.5 hp motors are 100 frame.? My motor and brake have worked flawlessly but I'm not a heavy user.? I've made about 30 passage
and entry doors so the machine has handled some heavy cuts with no problem.? I find the "240" fence a little small but like the small opening that allows the sliding table to sit closer to the spindle.? The downside is that also reduces the diameter of tooling
that can be tilted.
At 5-6K with a feeder and some tooling, I'd take the chance.? 8K is a stretch, but then 15K for new seems high.? I bought a never used SCM T130 sliding shaper for 4K so I'm living in the past on pricing.? I prefer the T130 for long cuts with a feeder as the
fence is better and the quill more stout, but the F7 size is much better as a slider and a really nice single machine that can do it all.? Spindles do show up.? I have a 3/4" but you will find it seldom gets used.? Larger diameter tooling works better and
the router spindle is more useful than the 3/4".
I'd check with Felder if that motor is still available and at what cost.? Rewinding a bad motor will be very expensive due to the difficulty of the small frame so I'm guessing 2K either way.? For that reason, I'm still in the 6K range.
Dave
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I have the opportunity to pick up a lightly used, older (1998) 10HP F7 with feeder for likely around $8k including freight
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I'm weighing against a new 10HP F700 or a 10HP SCM Minimax T55ES, which would both run me about $15k with accessories, additional spindles, tax, and freight.
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Any thoughts on these older shapers? I've heard tales from good to bad. Let me list some things I've heard around the 'net:
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* F7 is still a very reliable machine, great for making doors, windows, moulding
* 10HP on the older Felder shapers was overkill for the machine's build and hence takes a toll on bearings
* older Felder electronics are hard to source and repair
* uncertainly if Felder even has parts for these older machines
* I also need to know if spindles are still available. I would need to pick up a 3/4'' spindle to handle my current cutter sets.
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But I wanted to reach out to this group, since you're likely the best to ask.
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Thanks!
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Gary my RL-160 was built in 2004 so there could be some differences with yours. ?The ladder frames that hold the filters do not come out on my machine unless you remove the entire upper unit with the motor and impeller - hence the two access ports. ?You can see both access panels in this photo series: ?
David Best
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On Sep 21, 2024, at 12:26?PM, Gerry Kmack via groups.io <gerry.kmack@...> wrote:
Imran & David,
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Thanks for the info!
Imran - several years ago you posted about checking the wiper height to be sure that the clean cycle was actually getting into the folds of the filter… I checked at that time and sure enough my brushes were barely touching. After readjusting, everything was greatly improved - probably extending the life of my filters by a year or more.?
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I should have guessed that there would be a gasket that needed replacement. I am ordering the stuff that David linked to, as it is .5” x ?.75”, which seems like it should be a reasonable fit.
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At this point, I have begun disassembling the RL. I removed the outside plate (at the end where the hose is connected), and removed the brushes. The next step SHOULD be simple: removing the brush frame through the end slot. However, because of the way that my RL is installed, I don’t have enough clearance to get the frame out… I have an idea, but it involves building a temporary ramp leading out of the closet that the RL is installed in, in order to roll the unit partially out, hopefully providing enough clearance. Ugh.
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David - I read your post about the 3 types of RL160s. Mine was made in 2008, so it should be the same as yours, but you stated that there are 2 cover plates, one on each end of the RL? Did I get that right? Is so I’m confused, because mine has a cover plate at one end (the end that the hose goes in), and nothing - no cover plate - at the far end.
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At the moment, a thunderstorm is rolling in, so I had to roll everything back inside & close up until the storm passes, which might be tomorrow…?
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Thanks again,
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Gerry Kmack
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Hi Gerry,
I can’t trust my memory and maybe RL160 is different but I don’t recall having to remove the brush frame on RL125 to replace the filter. Or maybe you are doing this for saddique cylinder. I can check my manual in the morning as it includes RL160. As David said, I also have plates on each opposing side.
David’s gasket recommendation is same material as mine, I just used multiple layers of what I had on hand.
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On Sep 21, 2024, at 3:26?PM, Gerry Kmack via groups.io <gerry.kmack@...> wrote: ? Imran & David,
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Thanks for the info!
Imran - several years ago you posted about checking the wiper height to be sure that the clean cycle was actually getting into the folds of the filter… I checked at that time and sure enough my brushes were barely touching. After readjusting, everything was greatly improved - probably extending the life of my filters by a year or more.?
?
I should have guessed that there would be a gasket that needed replacement. I am ordering the stuff that David linked to, as it is .5” x ?.75”, which seems like it should be a reasonable fit.
?
At this point, I have begun disassembling the RL. I removed the outside plate (at the end where the hose is connected), and removed the brushes. The next step SHOULD be simple: removing the brush frame through the end slot. However, because of the way that my RL is installed, I don’t have enough clearance to get the frame out… I have an idea, but it involves building a temporary ramp leading out of the closet that the RL is installed in, in order to roll the unit partially out, hopefully providing enough clearance. Ugh.
?
David - I read your post about the 3 types of RL160s. Mine was made in 2008, so it should be the same as yours, but you stated that there are 2 cover plates, one on each end of the RL? Did I get that right? Is so I’m confused, because mine has a cover plate at one end (the end that the hose goes in), and nothing - no cover plate - at the far end.
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At the moment, a thunderstorm is rolling in, so I had to roll everything back inside & close up until the storm passes, which might be tomorrow…?
?
Thanks again,
?
Gerry Kmack
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Thoughts on purchasing older F7 shapers?
I have the opportunity to pick up a lightly used, older (1998) 10HP F7 with feeder for likely around $8k including freight
?
I'm weighing against a new 10HP F700 or a 10HP SCM Minimax T55ES, which would both run me about $15k with accessories, additional spindles, tax, and freight.
?
Any thoughts on these older shapers? I've heard tales from good to bad. Let me list some things I've heard around the 'net:
?
* F7 is still a very reliable machine, great for making doors, windows, moulding
* 10HP on the older Felder shapers was overkill for the machine's build and hence takes a toll on bearings
* older Felder electronics are hard to source and repair
* uncertainly if Felder even has parts for these older machines
* I also need to know if spindles are still available. I would need to pick up a 3/4'' spindle to handle my current cutter sets.
?
But I wanted to reach out to this group, since you're likely the best to ask.
?
Thanks!
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Re: FELDER KF 700/S, AD 741, AF22 + cutters + accessories for sale
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On Sep 21, 2024, at 3:29?PM, hlund via groups.io <hlund1@...> wrote:
? hello ed,
what is your personal email address?
best, h
hlund
312.519.4848
On Sep 21, 2024, at 12:45?PM, Eduardo Ehrenwald via groups.io <ehrenwald@...> wrote:
Thank you. ?I would be happy to get the Egl and distometer which are easy to “pluck out “. ?I’ll pay you good money for them. ? Pls keep me in n mind and posted. ? Good luck. ?Thanks On Sep 21, 2024, at 1:23?PM, hlund via groups.io <hlund1@...> wrote:
? Edwardo, Good talking to you I will keep you in mind. Best, howard
hlund
312.519.4848
On Sep 21, 2024, at 12:15?PM, Eduardo Ehrenwald via groups.io <ehrenwald@...> wrote:
i would love to buy the EGL with extension fence, distometare and some cutters if you want to sell seprately.Please let me know 612 670 1343 ed
First dibs on the Aigner Distometer if you'll sell it separately.?
Dave?
Davies? This equipment is from a one-man furniture shop, now retiring. Equipment has had excellent care, very low hours. Many many accessories.. ? Felder KF 700S /03 4.4 KW - 60Hz - 1ph motors
12” dia. main blade, 30mm - blade height scale on hand wheel
100 mm scoring blade
Dado/slotting cutter feature
Variable blade speed
Remote on switch at end of sliding table
2800mm /110” table travel
Crosscut fence 3200 mm for outrigger table (#166/168+159/160) Outrigger table 1500 mm/60 inches
Precision miter stop feature on outrigger table
outrigger cart / storage rack
parallel rip support w/ gauge stops
780kg./ 1719 lbs.
Factory and aftermarket hold down clamps
Rip shoe accessory
Table extensions
Crosscut accessories for table extensions
Rip guide for table extensions
EGL?digital miter accessory w/ extended fences
4 - locking heavy duty swivel casters
Extended rip fence guide bar allowing 48 inches right of blade with DRO Steel catch table behind extended rip fence
Aigner digital height gauge Shaper:?variable spindle speed: 1500 - 16000rpm Power drive - Digital height control: ht. 115mm Variable speed control
3- 30 mm spindles, one router bit spindle 2- spindle fences: one with EURO bar guides, includes a variety of hold downs. Second fence has aluminum accessory wings, add multi adjustment option
Tenon plate + hold down accessory Felder f-38?three wheel, eight speed reversible feeder with extended horizontal arm and tilt down bracket 100+?carbide shaper cutters, bearing / shims : see photos?$15,000 +/- Felder feeder?F 38, extended horizontal alarm, tilt down mount (430-17)?$1500.00 FELDER? AF 22 LN,?Mobile Dust Extractor 1 x 230 V, 60 Hz. / 4.0 HP (3.0 kW) 1900 CFM
This unit is new still in the crate AD 741 planer / jointer - 16” 4.4 KW motor
Digital display of thickness - max 9”
DIGI-DRIVE: Electrical height, adjustment and digital display of thickness Preset digital height settings make change over a one button push? Optional output catch table
Optional input extended support table
Rolling carT
BYRD - SHELIX ?carbide insert head - NEW still in the crate: ? ?($1,715.00) CUTTERS AND BLADES:? More than a dozen saw blades from 62 to 102s, including stacking and conical scoring blades. approx. 100 carbide shaper cutters + three quick change spindles, + one router bit spindle. Ask for photos if you're interested.? ALL: $30,000 <IMG_3189.jpeg><60° glue joint cutter.jpeg><IMG_3187.jpeg><IMG_3191.jpeg><IMG_3190.jpeg><IMG_3201.jpeg><IMG_0008.jpeg><IMG_0009.jpeg><IMG_3192.jpeg><Variable sliding cutters.jpeg><IMG_1099.jpeg><IMG_3197.jpeg><IMG_3199.jpeg><IMG_3163.jpeg><IMG_0710.jpeg><aigner.jpeg><Shaper fence aluminum wings.jpeg><IMG_3168.jpeg><6 tooth sawblade.jpeg><Scoring blade.jpeg><Sliding table extension.jpeg><felder.rip.fence DRO.jpg><Crosscut table option.jpg><Crosscut and table option.png>< tenoning _slotting plate.png><IMG_0707.jpeg><IMG_1062.jpeg><IMG_1064.jpeg><KF 700 .jpeg> FOR REFERENCE: price of new models: KF700S - $31,858.00
AD741 - $13,240.00
AF22 - $3,900
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Re: FELDER KF 700/S, AD 741, AF22 + cutters + accessories for sale
hello ed,
what is your personal email address?
best, h
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On Sep 21, 2024, at 12:45?PM, Eduardo Ehrenwald via groups.io <ehrenwald@...> wrote:
Thank you. ?I would be happy to get the Egl and distometer which are easy to “pluck out “. ?I’ll pay you good money for them. ? Pls keep me in n mind and posted. ? Good luck. ?Thanks On Sep 21, 2024, at 1:23?PM, hlund via groups.io <hlund1@...> wrote:
? Edwardo, Good talking to you I will keep you in mind. Best, howard
hlund
312.519.4848
On Sep 21, 2024, at 12:15?PM, Eduardo Ehrenwald via groups.io <ehrenwald@...> wrote:
i would love to buy the EGL with extension fence, distometare and some cutters if you want to sell seprately.Please let me know 612 670 1343 ed
First dibs on the Aigner Distometer if you'll sell it separately.?
Dave?
Davies? This equipment is from a one-man furniture shop, now retiring. Equipment has had excellent care, very low hours. Many many accessories.. ? Felder KF 700S /03 4.4 KW - 60Hz - 1ph motors
12” dia. main blade, 30mm - blade height scale on hand wheel
100 mm scoring blade
Dado/slotting cutter feature
Variable blade speed
Remote on switch at end of sliding table
2800mm /110” table travel
Crosscut fence 3200 mm for outrigger table (#166/168+159/160) Outrigger table 1500 mm/60 inches
Precision miter stop feature on outrigger table
outrigger cart / storage rack
parallel rip support w/ gauge stops
780kg./ 1719 lbs.
Factory and aftermarket hold down clamps
Rip shoe accessory
Table extensions
Crosscut accessories for table extensions
Rip guide for table extensions
EGL?digital miter accessory w/ extended fences
4 - locking heavy duty swivel casters
Extended rip fence guide bar allowing 48 inches right of blade with DRO Steel catch table behind extended rip fence
Aigner digital height gauge Shaper:?variable spindle speed: 1500 - 16000rpm Power drive - Digital height control: ht. 115mm Variable speed control
3- 30 mm spindles, one router bit spindle 2- spindle fences: one with EURO bar guides, includes a variety of hold downs. Second fence has aluminum accessory wings, add multi adjustment option
Tenon plate + hold down accessory Felder f-38?three wheel, eight speed reversible feeder with extended horizontal arm and tilt down bracket 100+?carbide shaper cutters, bearing / shims : see photos?$15,000 +/- Felder feeder?F 38, extended horizontal alarm, tilt down mount (430-17)?$1500.00 FELDER? AF 22 LN,?Mobile Dust Extractor 1 x 230 V, 60 Hz. / 4.0 HP (3.0 kW) 1900 CFM
This unit is new still in the crate AD 741 planer / jointer - 16” 4.4 KW motor
Digital display of thickness - max 9”
DIGI-DRIVE: Electrical height, adjustment and digital display of thickness Preset digital height settings make change over a one button push? Optional output catch table
Optional input extended support table
Rolling carT
BYRD - SHELIX ?carbide insert head - NEW still in the crate: ? ?($1,715.00) CUTTERS AND BLADES:? More than a dozen saw blades from 62 to 102s, including stacking and conical scoring blades. approx. 100 carbide shaper cutters + three quick change spindles, + one router bit spindle. Ask for photos if you're interested.? ALL: $30,000 <IMG_3189.jpeg><60° glue joint cutter.jpeg><IMG_3187.jpeg><IMG_3191.jpeg><IMG_3190.jpeg><IMG_3201.jpeg><IMG_0008.jpeg><IMG_0009.jpeg><IMG_3192.jpeg><Variable sliding cutters.jpeg><IMG_1099.jpeg><IMG_3197.jpeg><IMG_3199.jpeg><IMG_3163.jpeg><IMG_0710.jpeg><aigner.jpeg><Shaper fence aluminum wings.jpeg><IMG_3168.jpeg><6 tooth sawblade.jpeg><Scoring blade.jpeg><Sliding table extension.jpeg><felder.rip.fence DRO.jpg><Crosscut table option.jpg><Crosscut and table option.png>< tenoning _slotting plate.png><IMG_0707.jpeg><IMG_1062.jpeg><IMG_1064.jpeg><KF 700 .jpeg> FOR REFERENCE: price of new models: KF700S - $31,858.00
AD741 - $13,240.00
AF22 - $3,900
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Imran & David,
?
Thanks for the info!
Imran - several years ago you posted about checking the wiper height to be sure that the clean cycle was actually getting into the folds of the filter… I checked at that time and sure enough my brushes were barely touching. After readjusting, everything was greatly improved - probably extending the life of my filters by a year or more.?
?
I should have guessed that there would be a gasket that needed replacement. I am ordering the stuff that David linked to, as it is .5” x ?.75”, which seems like it should be a reasonable fit.
?
At this point, I have begun disassembling the RL. I removed the outside plate (at the end where the hose is connected), and removed the brushes. The next step SHOULD be simple: removing the brush frame through the end slot. However, because of the way that my RL is installed, I don’t have enough clearance to get the frame out… I have an idea, but it involves building a temporary ramp leading out of the closet that the RL is installed in, in order to roll the unit partially out, hopefully providing enough clearance. Ugh.
?
David - I read your post about the 3 types of RL160s. Mine was made in 2008, so it should be the same as yours, but you stated that there are 2 cover plates, one on each end of the RL? Did I get that right? Is so I’m confused, because mine has a cover plate at one end (the end that the hose goes in), and nothing - no cover plate - at the far end.
?
At the moment, a thunderstorm is rolling in, so I had to roll everything back inside & close up until the storm passes, which might be tomorrow…?
?
Thanks again,
?
Gerry Kmack
?
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Re: FELDER KF 700/S, AD 741, AF22 + cutters + accessories for sale
Thank you. ?I would be happy to get the Egl and distometer which are easy to “pluck out “. ?I’ll pay you good money for them. ? Pls keep me in n mind and posted. ? Good luck. ?Thanks
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On Sep 21, 2024, at 1:23?PM, hlund via groups.io <hlund1@...> wrote:
? Edwardo, Good talking to you I will keep you in mind. Best, howard
hlund
312.519.4848
On Sep 21, 2024, at 12:15?PM, Eduardo Ehrenwald via groups.io <ehrenwald@...> wrote:
i would love to buy the EGL with extension fence, distometare and some cutters if you want to sell seprately.Please let me know 612 670 1343 ed
First dibs on the Aigner Distometer if you'll sell it separately.?
Dave?
Davies? This equipment is from a one-man furniture shop, now retiring. Equipment has had excellent care, very low hours. Many many accessories.. ? Felder KF 700S /03 4.4 KW - 60Hz - 1ph motors
12” dia. main blade, 30mm - blade height scale on hand wheel
100 mm scoring blade
Dado/slotting cutter feature
Variable blade speed
Remote on switch at end of sliding table
2800mm /110” table travel
Crosscut fence 3200 mm for outrigger table (#166/168+159/160) Outrigger table 1500 mm/60 inches
Precision miter stop feature on outrigger table
outrigger cart / storage rack
parallel rip support w/ gauge stops
780kg./ 1719 lbs.
Factory and aftermarket hold down clamps
Rip shoe accessory
Table extensions
Crosscut accessories for table extensions
Rip guide for table extensions
EGL?digital miter accessory w/ extended fences
4 - locking heavy duty swivel casters
Extended rip fence guide bar allowing 48 inches right of blade with DRO Steel catch table behind extended rip fence
Aigner digital height gauge Shaper:?variable spindle speed: 1500 - 16000rpm Power drive - Digital height control: ht. 115mm Variable speed control
3- 30 mm spindles, one router bit spindle 2- spindle fences: one with EURO bar guides, includes a variety of hold downs. Second fence has aluminum accessory wings, add multi adjustment option
Tenon plate + hold down accessory Felder f-38?three wheel, eight speed reversible feeder with extended horizontal arm and tilt down bracket 100+?carbide shaper cutters, bearing / shims : see photos?$15,000 +/- Felder feeder?F 38, extended horizontal alarm, tilt down mount (430-17)?$1500.00 FELDER? AF 22 LN,?Mobile Dust Extractor 1 x 230 V, 60 Hz. / 4.0 HP (3.0 kW) 1900 CFM
This unit is new still in the crate AD 741 planer / jointer - 16” 4.4 KW motor
Digital display of thickness - max 9”
DIGI-DRIVE: Electrical height, adjustment and digital display of thickness Preset digital height settings make change over a one button push? Optional output catch table
Optional input extended support table
Rolling carT
BYRD - SHELIX ?carbide insert head - NEW still in the crate: ? ?($1,715.00) CUTTERS AND BLADES:? More than a dozen saw blades from 62 to 102s, including stacking and conical scoring blades. approx. 100 carbide shaper cutters + three quick change spindles, + one router bit spindle. Ask for photos if you're interested.? ALL: $30,000 <IMG_3189.jpeg><60° glue joint cutter.jpeg><IMG_3187.jpeg><IMG_3191.jpeg><IMG_3190.jpeg><IMG_3201.jpeg><IMG_0008.jpeg><IMG_0009.jpeg><IMG_3192.jpeg><Variable sliding cutters.jpeg><IMG_1099.jpeg><IMG_3197.jpeg><IMG_3199.jpeg><IMG_3163.jpeg><IMG_0710.jpeg><aigner.jpeg><Shaper fence aluminum wings.jpeg><IMG_3168.jpeg><6 tooth sawblade.jpeg><Scoring blade.jpeg><Sliding table extension.jpeg><felder.rip.fence DRO.jpg><Crosscut table option.jpg><Crosscut and table option.png>< tenoning _slotting plate.png><IMG_0707.jpeg><IMG_1062.jpeg><IMG_1064.jpeg><KF 700 .jpeg> FOR REFERENCE: price of new models: KF700S - $31,858.00
AD741 - $13,240.00
AF22 - $3,900
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In my workings with Nordfab duct, the manufacturer has stated that their silicon based seals should be stronger and last a lot longer than normal neoprene.? These following options are extremely expensive, but it could result in a lifetime of operation:
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David's recommendation is likely the most cost effective.
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-Aaron Inami
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Re: FELDER KF 700/S, AD 741, AF22 + cutters + accessories for sale
Edwardo, Good talking to you I will keep you in mind. Best, howard
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On Sep 21, 2024, at 12:15?PM, Eduardo Ehrenwald via groups.io <ehrenwald@...> wrote:
i would love to buy the EGL with extension fence, distometare and some cutters if you want to sell seprately.Please let me know 612 670 1343 ed
First dibs on the Aigner Distometer if you'll sell it separately.?
Dave?
Davies? This equipment is from a one-man furniture shop, now retiring. Equipment has had excellent care, very low hours. Many many accessories.. ? Felder KF 700S /03 4.4 KW - 60Hz - 1ph motors
12” dia. main blade, 30mm - blade height scale on hand wheel
100 mm scoring blade
Dado/slotting cutter feature
Variable blade speed
Remote on switch at end of sliding table
2800mm /110” table travel
Crosscut fence 3200 mm for outrigger table (#166/168+159/160) Outrigger table 1500 mm/60 inches
Precision miter stop feature on outrigger table
outrigger cart / storage rack
parallel rip support w/ gauge stops
780kg./ 1719 lbs.
Factory and aftermarket hold down clamps
Rip shoe accessory
Table extensions
Crosscut accessories for table extensions
Rip guide for table extensions
EGL?digital miter accessory w/ extended fences
4 - locking heavy duty swivel casters
Extended rip fence guide bar allowing 48 inches right of blade with DRO Steel catch table behind extended rip fence
Aigner digital height gauge Shaper:?variable spindle speed: 1500 - 16000rpm Power drive - Digital height control: ht. 115mm Variable speed control
3- 30 mm spindles, one router bit spindle 2- spindle fences: one with EURO bar guides, includes a variety of hold downs. Second fence has aluminum accessory wings, add multi adjustment option
Tenon plate + hold down accessory Felder f-38?three wheel, eight speed reversible feeder with extended horizontal arm and tilt down bracket 100+?carbide shaper cutters, bearing / shims : see photos?$15,000 +/- Felder feeder?F 38, extended horizontal alarm, tilt down mount (430-17)?$1500.00 FELDER? AF 22 LN,?Mobile Dust Extractor 1 x 230 V, 60 Hz. / 4.0 HP (3.0 kW) 1900 CFM
This unit is new still in the crate AD 741 planer / jointer - 16” 4.4 KW motor
Digital display of thickness - max 9”
DIGI-DRIVE: Electrical height, adjustment and digital display of thickness Preset digital height settings make change over a one button push? Optional output catch table
Optional input extended support table
Rolling carT
BYRD - SHELIX ?carbide insert head - NEW still in the crate: ? ?($1,715.00) CUTTERS AND BLADES:? More than a dozen saw blades from 62 to 102s, including stacking and conical scoring blades. approx. 100 carbide shaper cutters + three quick change spindles, + one router bit spindle. Ask for photos if you're interested.? ALL: $30,000 <IMG_3189.jpeg><60° glue joint cutter.jpeg><IMG_3187.jpeg><IMG_3191.jpeg><IMG_3190.jpeg><IMG_3201.jpeg><IMG_0008.jpeg><IMG_0009.jpeg><IMG_3192.jpeg><Variable sliding cutters.jpeg><IMG_1099.jpeg><IMG_3197.jpeg><IMG_3199.jpeg><IMG_3163.jpeg><IMG_0710.jpeg><aigner.jpeg><Shaper fence aluminum wings.jpeg><IMG_3168.jpeg><6 tooth sawblade.jpeg><Scoring blade.jpeg><Sliding table extension.jpeg><felder.rip.fence DRO.jpg><Crosscut table option.jpg><Crosscut and table option.png>< tenoning _slotting plate.png><IMG_0707.jpeg><IMG_1062.jpeg><IMG_1064.jpeg><KF 700 .jpeg> FOR REFERENCE: price of new models: KF700S - $31,858.00
AD741 - $13,240.00
AF22 - $3,900
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Re: FELDER KF 700/S, AD 741, AF22 + cutters + accessories for sale
i would love to buy the EGL with extension fence, distometare and some cutters if you want to sell seprately. Please let me know 612 670 1343
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First dibs on the Aigner Distometer if you'll sell it separately.?
Dave?
Davies? This equipment is from a one-man furniture shop, now retiring. Equipment has had excellent care, very low hours. Many many accessories.. ? Felder KF 700S /03 4.4 KW - 60Hz - 1ph motors
12” dia. main blade, 30mm - blade height scale on hand wheel
100 mm scoring blade
Dado/slotting cutter feature
Variable blade speed
Remote on switch at end of sliding table
2800mm /110” table travel
Crosscut fence 3200 mm for outrigger table (#166/168+159/160) Outrigger table 1500 mm/60 inches
Precision miter stop feature on outrigger table
outrigger cart / storage rack
parallel rip support w/ gauge stops
780kg./ 1719 lbs.
Factory and aftermarket hold down clamps
Rip shoe accessory
Table extensions
Crosscut accessories for table extensions
Rip guide for table extensions
EGL?digital miter accessory w/ extended fences
4 - locking heavy duty swivel casters
Extended rip fence guide bar allowing 48 inches right of blade with DRO Steel catch table behind extended rip fence
Aigner digital height gauge Shaper:?variable spindle speed: 1500 - 16000rpm Power drive - Digital height control: ht. 115mm Variable speed control
3- 30 mm spindles, one router bit spindle 2- spindle fences: one with EURO bar guides, includes a variety of hold downs. Second fence has aluminum accessory wings, add multi adjustment option
Tenon plate + hold down accessory Felder f-38?three wheel, eight speed reversible feeder with extended horizontal arm and tilt down bracket 100+?carbide shaper cutters, bearing / shims : see photos?$15,000 +/- Felder feeder?F 38, extended horizontal alarm, tilt down mount (430-17)?$1500.00 FELDER? AF 22 LN,?Mobile Dust Extractor 1 x 230 V, 60 Hz. / 4.0 HP (3.0 kW) 1900 CFM
This unit is new still in the crate AD 741 planer / jointer - 16” 4.4 KW motor
Digital display of thickness - max 9”
DIGI-DRIVE: Electrical height, adjustment and digital display of thickness Preset digital height settings make change over a one button push? Optional output catch table
Optional input extended support table
Rolling carT
BYRD - SHELIX ?carbide insert head - NEW still in the crate: ? ?($1,715.00) CUTTERS AND BLADES:? More than a dozen saw blades from 62 to 102s, including stacking and conical scoring blades. approx. 100 carbide shaper cutters + three quick change spindles, + one router bit spindle. Ask for photos if you're interested.? ALL: $30,000 <IMG_3189.jpeg><60° glue joint cutter.jpeg><IMG_3187.jpeg><IMG_3191.jpeg><IMG_3190.jpeg><IMG_3201.jpeg><IMG_0008.jpeg><IMG_0009.jpeg><IMG_3192.jpeg><Variable sliding cutters.jpeg><IMG_1099.jpeg><IMG_3197.jpeg><IMG_3199.jpeg><IMG_3163.jpeg><IMG_0710.jpeg><aigner.jpeg><Shaper fence aluminum wings.jpeg><IMG_3168.jpeg><6 tooth sawblade.jpeg><Scoring blade.jpeg><Sliding table extension.jpeg><felder.rip.fence DRO.jpg><Crosscut table option.jpg><Crosscut and table option.png>< tenoning _slotting plate.png><IMG_0707.jpeg><IMG_1062.jpeg><IMG_1064.jpeg><KF 700 .jpeg> FOR REFERENCE: price of new models: KF700S - $31,858.00
AD741 - $13,240.00
AF22 - $3,900
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Re: FELDER KF 700/S, AD 741, AF22 + cutters + accessories for sale
HI
make an offer, i will keep you informed?
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On Sep 21, 2024, at 12:11?PM, David Davies via groups.io <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
First dibs on the Aigner Distometer if you'll sell it separately.?
Dave?
Davies? This equipment is from a one-man furniture shop, now retiring. Equipment has had excellent care, very low hours. Many many accessories.. ? Felder KF 700S /03 4.4 KW - 60Hz - 1ph motors
12” dia. main blade, 30mm - blade height scale on hand wheel
100 mm scoring blade
Dado/slotting cutter feature
Variable blade speed
Remote on switch at end of sliding table
2800mm /110” table travel
Crosscut fence 3200 mm for outrigger table (#166/168+159/160) Outrigger table 1500 mm/60 inches
Precision miter stop feature on outrigger table
outrigger cart / storage rack
parallel rip support w/ gauge stops
780kg./ 1719 lbs.
Factory and aftermarket hold down clamps
Rip shoe accessory
Table extensions
Crosscut accessories for table extensions
Rip guide for table extensions
EGL?digital miter accessory w/ extended fences
4 - locking heavy duty swivel casters
Extended rip fence guide bar allowing 48 inches right of blade with DRO Steel catch table behind extended rip fence
Aigner digital height gauge Shaper:?variable spindle speed: 1500 - 16000rpm Power drive - Digital height control: ht. 115mm Variable speed control
3- 30 mm spindles, one router bit spindle 2- spindle fences: one with EURO bar guides, includes a variety of hold downs. Second fence has aluminum accessory wings, add multi adjustment option
Tenon plate + hold down accessory Felder f-38?three wheel, eight speed reversible feeder with extended horizontal arm and tilt down bracket 100+?carbide shaper cutters, bearing / shims : see photos?$15,000 +/- Felder feeder?F 38, extended horizontal alarm, tilt down mount (430-17)?$1500.00 FELDER? AF 22 LN,?Mobile Dust Extractor 1 x 230 V, 60 Hz. / 4.0 HP (3.0 kW) 1900 CFM
This unit is new still in the crate AD 741 planer / jointer - 16” 4.4 KW motor
Digital display of thickness - max 9”
DIGI-DRIVE: Electrical height, adjustment and digital display of thickness Preset digital height settings make change over a one button push? Optional output catch table
Optional input extended support table
Rolling carT
BYRD - SHELIX ?carbide insert head - NEW still in the crate: ? ?($1,715.00) CUTTERS AND BLADES:? More than a dozen saw blades from 62 to 102s, including stacking and conical scoring blades. approx. 100 carbide shaper cutters + three quick change spindles, + one router bit spindle. Ask for photos if you're interested.? ALL: $30,000 <IMG_3189.jpeg><60° glue joint cutter.jpeg><IMG_3187.jpeg><IMG_3191.jpeg><IMG_3190.jpeg><IMG_3201.jpeg><IMG_0008.jpeg><IMG_0009.jpeg><IMG_3192.jpeg><Variable sliding cutters.jpeg><IMG_1099.jpeg><IMG_3197.jpeg><IMG_3199.jpeg><IMG_3163.jpeg><IMG_0710.jpeg><aigner.jpeg><Shaper fence aluminum wings.jpeg><IMG_3168.jpeg><6 tooth sawblade.jpeg><Scoring blade.jpeg><Sliding table extension.jpeg><felder.rip.fence DRO.jpg><Crosscut table option.jpg><Crosscut and table option.png>< tenoning _slotting plate.png><IMG_0707.jpeg><IMG_1062.jpeg><IMG_1064.jpeg><KF 700 .jpeg> FOR REFERENCE: price of new models: KF700S - $31,858.00
AD741 - $13,240.00
AF22 - $3,900
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Re: FELDER KF 700/S, AD 741, AF22 + cutters + accessories for sale
First dibs on the Aigner Distometer if you'll sell it separately.
Dave
Davies
This equipment is from a one-man furniture shop, now retiring. Equipment has had excellent care, very low hours. Many many accessories..
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Felder KF 700S /03
4.4 KW - 60Hz - 1ph motors
12” dia. main blade, 30mm - blade height scale on hand wheel
100 mm scoring blade
Dado/slotting cutter feature
Variable blade speed
Remote on switch at end of sliding table
2800mm /110” table travel
Crosscut fence 3200 mm for outrigger table (#166/168+159/160) Outrigger table 1500 mm/60 inches
Precision miter stop feature on outrigger table
outrigger cart / storage rack
parallel rip support w/ gauge stops
780kg./ 1719 lbs.
Factory and aftermarket hold down clamps
Rip shoe accessory
Table extensions
Crosscut accessories for table extensions
Rip guide for table extensions
EGL digital miter accessory w/ extended fences
4 - locking heavy duty swivel casters
Extended rip fence guide bar allowing 48 inches right of blade with DRO Steel catch table behind extended rip fence
Aigner digital height gauge
Shaper: variable spindle speed: 1500 - 16000rpm Power drive - Digital height control: ht. 115mm Variable speed control
3- 30 mm spindles, one router bit spindle
2- spindle fences: one with EURO bar guides, includes a variety of hold downs. Second fence has aluminum accessory wings, add multi adjustment option
Tenon plate + hold down accessory
Felder f-38 three wheel, eight speed reversible feeder with extended horizontal arm and tilt down bracket
100+ carbide shaper cutters, bearing / shims : see photos $15,000 +/- Felder feeder F 38, extended horizontal alarm, tilt down mount (430-17) $1500.00
FELDER? AF 22 LN, Mobile Dust Extractor 1 x 230 V, 60 Hz. / 4.0 HP (3.0 kW) 1900 CFM
This unit is new still in the crate
AD 741 planer / jointer - 16”
4.4 KW motor
Digital display of thickness - max 9”
DIGI-DRIVE: Electrical height, adjustment and digital display of thickness Preset digital height settings make change over a one button push
Optional output catch table
Optional input extended support table
Rolling carT
BYRD - SHELIX ?carbide insert head - NEW still in the crate: ? ?($1,715.00)
CUTTERS AND BLADES:?
More than a dozen saw blades from 62 to 102s, including stacking and conical scoring blades.
approx. 100 carbide shaper cutters + three quick change spindles, + one router bit spindle.
Ask for photos if you're interested.?
ALL: $30,000
                            
FOR REFERENCE: price of new models:
KF700S - $31,858.00
AD741 - $13,240.00
AF22 - $3,900
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FELDER KF 700/S, AD 741, AF22 + cutters + accessories for sale
This equipment is from a one-man furniture shop, now retiring. Equipment has had excellent care, very low hours. Many many accessories..
?
Felder KF 700S /03
4.4 KW - 60Hz - 1ph motors
12” dia. main blade, 30mm - blade height scale on hand wheel
100 mm scoring blade
Dado/slotting cutter feature
Variable blade speed
Remote on switch at end of sliding table
2800mm /110” table travel
Crosscut fence 3200 mm for outrigger table (#166/168+159/160) Outrigger table 1500 mm/60 inches
Precision miter stop feature on outrigger table
outrigger cart / storage rack
parallel rip support w/ gauge stops
780kg./ 1719 lbs.
Factory and aftermarket hold down clamps
Rip shoe accessory
Table extensions
Crosscut accessories for table extensions
Rip guide for table extensions
EGL digital miter accessory w/ extended fences
4 - locking heavy duty swivel casters
Extended rip fence guide bar allowing 48 inches right of blade with DRO Steel catch table behind extended rip fence
Aigner digital height gauge
Shaper: variable spindle speed: 1500 - 16000rpm Power drive - Digital height control: ht. 115mm Variable speed control
3- 30 mm spindles, one router bit spindle
2- spindle fences: one with EURO bar guides, includes a variety of hold downs. Second fence has aluminum accessory wings, add multi adjustment option
Tenon plate + hold down accessory
Felder f-38 three wheel, eight speed reversible feeder with extended horizontal arm and tilt down bracket
100+ carbide shaper cutters, bearing / shims : see photos $15,000 +/- Felder feeder F 38, extended horizontal alarm, tilt down mount (430-17) $1500.00
FELDER? AF 22 LN, Mobile Dust Extractor 1 x 230 V, 60 Hz. / 4.0 HP (3.0 kW) 1900 CFM
This unit is new still in the crate
AD 741 planer / jointer - 16”
4.4 KW motor
Digital display of thickness - max 9”
DIGI-DRIVE: Electrical height, adjustment and digital display of thickness Preset digital height settings make change over a one button push
Optional output catch table
Optional input extended support table
Rolling carT
BYRD - SHELIX ?carbide insert head - NEW still in the crate: ? ?($1,715.00)
CUTTERS AND BLADES:?
More than a dozen saw blades from 62 to 102s, including stacking and conical scoring blades.
approx. 100 carbide shaper cutters + three quick change spindles, + one router bit spindle.
Ask for photos if you're interested.?
ALL: $30,000
                            
FOR REFERENCE: price of new models:
KF700S - $31,858.00
AD741 - $13,240.00
AF22 - $3,900
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Gary,
You’re in for a lot of fun - that is a difficult and tiring job on your vintage of RL-160. ?Lots of disassembly required - 14” long fingers help.
One thing you want to do for sure is to rip out and replace the gasket material that seals the filter to the machine chassis. ?You’ll probably discover that it’s rotted and in a disintegrating condition. ?Have a look here to see what I found: ?. ?I posted about one of the filter replacements in this post: ? /g/felderownersgroup/message/87565. ?
I’ve done this filter change twice now, and the first time I used HD/Lowes stick-back foam, and that will not stand up. ?So the next time I got a higher grade foam strip material from McMaster to do the job and it’s held up well. ?This is the kind of stuff I used (may or may not be the specific product, but close): ?
If you want to implement an autosweep setup, I recommend putting the pneumatic actuator inside the machine just above the debris bin. ?I put mine on the outside - details attached - and it works fine, but it would be a cleaner install to mount it inside the box if you are nimble enough to do that kind of work (I am no longer in that category). ?More details in the attached documents including parts, assembly, etc. ?Video on it’s operation is here: ?
I have seen other posts here that have the actuators system inside the box, and some that even have time driven cycle controls using a PLC. ?There is also a long thread on modifications to improve (lower) the noise of the machine when running here: ? /g/felderownersgroup/topic/36265175#msg80377. ?There is stuff in the files section on this topic as well: ?
Hope this helps.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Sep 21, 2024, at 8:38?AM, Gerry Kmack via groups.io <gerry.kmack@...> wrote:
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I have a 2008 RL160 dust collector that badly needs new filters. I ordered the replacement filters months ago, and today (hopefully) is the day that they get installed.
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Along with the filters, Felder supplied a one page instruction sheet about changing the filters. They make it look pretty simple (though obviously very dusty). Besides the basic 8-step procedure outlined on the instruction sheet, does anyone have any other suggestions WRT accomplishing the filter change and/or anything else I should do at the same time, as long as I am up to my shoulders inside the machine?
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I recall seeing a post from David Best, describing an automatic cleaning system that he fabricated and installed… I really need to do that as well, but it will obviously require some planning. Has anyone else done something similar? My RL160 is located in the same building as my shop, but in a separate room accessible only from outside… this makes it a real pain, especially in the winter to get out there and clean the filters on a regular basis, so a switch activated filter cleaning system (with the switch inside the shop) would be a dream come true.
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Thanks In Advance-
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Gerry Kmack
Pagosa Springs CO
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Gerry,
My RL125 came used so I did a complete cleaning as there was dust on the clean air side. This means opening the top cover as well which is not required to change the filter.
The foam seal below the filter was completely compressed and disintegrated so I had to remove it and then clean the goo off to get to the clean metal. I used the following because I had it on hand. I used multiple layers. You could buy a thicker version.
Light Duty Blended EPDM Foam Strip, with Adhesive Back, 2" Wide, 3/16" Thick, 50 Feet Long
https://www.mcmaster.com/8694K74
Since mine isn’t RL160 I would let others talk about the specifics. It is lots of screws and bit confined but not complicated, just a mechanism to push the filter down to form a seal. Also check the force it takes to compress the foam (it isn’t a lot) so less is better because more can deform the filter itself.
Lastly, if you replace the seal, make sure to adjust the viper height to ensure it is tickling the filter pleats.
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On Sep 21, 2024, at 11:36?AM, Gerry Kmack via groups.io <gerry.kmack@...> wrote: ? I have a 2008 RL160 dust collector that badly needs new filters. I ordered the replacement filters months ago, and today (hopefully) is the day that they get installed.
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Along with the filters, Felder supplied a one page instruction sheet about changing the filters. They make it look pretty simple (though obviously very dusty). Besides the basic 8-step procedure outlined on the instruction sheet, does anyone have any other suggestions WRT accomplishing the filter change and/or anything else I should do at the same time, as long as I am up to my shoulders inside the machine?
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I recall seeing a post from David Best, describing an automatic cleaning system that he fabricated and installed… I really need to do that as well, but it will obviously require some planning. Has anyone else done something similar? My RL160 is located in the same building as my shop, but in a separate room accessible only from outside… this makes it real a pain, especially in the winter to get out there and clean the filters on a regular basis, so a switch activated filter cleaning system (with the switch inside the shop) would be a dream come true.
?
Thanks In Advance-
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Gerry Kmack
Pagosa Springs CO
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I have a 2008 RL160 dust collector that badly needs new filters. I ordered the replacement filters months ago, and today (hopefully) is the day that they get installed.
?
Along with the filters, Felder supplied a one page instruction sheet about changing the filters. They make it look pretty simple (though obviously very dusty). Besides the basic 8-step procedure outlined on the instruction sheet, does anyone have any other suggestions WRT accomplishing the filter change and/or anything else I should do at the same time, as long as I am up to my shoulders inside the machine?
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I recall seeing a post from David Best, describing an automatic cleaning system that he fabricated and installed… I really need to do that as well, but it will obviously require some planning. Has anyone else done something similar? My RL160 is located in the same building as my shop, but in a separate room accessible only from outside… this makes it a real pain, especially in the winter to get out there and clean the filters on a regular basis, so a switch activated filter cleaning system (with the switch inside the shop) would be a dream come true.
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Thanks In Advance-
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Gerry Kmack
Pagosa Springs CO
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Re: For sale: felder KF 700/S pro, 8741 planter joiner, AF 22 dust collector, collector, carbide cutters, and blades
Hello stan, What accessories are you interested in?
Thanks, Hank
hlund
312.519.4848
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On Sep 20, 2024, at 1:46?PM, Stan Blaszczyk via groups.io <blaszcsj@...> wrote:
Are you interested in selling any of the accessories?
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Re: For sale: felder KF 700/S pro, 8741 planter joiner, AF 22 dust collector, collector, carbide cutters, and blades
Are you interested in selling any of the accessories?
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Re: Drive Belt Position Sensor Errors and other machine shortcomings? K940S
I have had k970s I believe for at least 2 years, other that the banana that felder calls a fence I have had zero issues, I really like this machine and that’s saying a lot because I complain about everything…lol
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David P. Best
imran
Gerry Kmack