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Re: Electrical question

 

Thank you, David Best. Great info!
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941


Re: Electrical question

 

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The PP will have connection terminals as follows:

L1, L2 - these are the inputs to the PP and where you connect the 230VAC supply line from your breaker panel

T1, T2, T3 - these are the output of the PP. ?
T1 and T2 are passed through directly from L1 and L2 respectively. ?Depending on the options you choose with your PP order, these may or may not remain hot when the PP is turned off.
T3 is the manufactured leg

On a Felder sliding table saw, there will be a pigtail wire with multiple colors:
  • Blue is neutral and only used in the EU, Australia, etc and can be left unconnected. ?
  • The yellow/green wire is ground. ?
  • There will be two Black or a Black and Grey - these supply the circuit the has the step-down transformer that generates the low voltage for the electronics - this is where you connect T1 and T2 from the PP. ?If the motor runs backwards when you power it up, reverse these two connection. ?
  • The BROWN wire is almost always where you will connect the manufactured leg (T3) and is typically called L2 on the Felder machines (not to be confused with “L2” coming into the PP). ?You should verify this aspect with Felder service as they have been known to miswire or change things over time.

David Best
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On Jul 25, 2024, at 5:57?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

Thanks, Imran!
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Jacques, Christmas will come in September. I am excited about the new saw. Once in a while I make impulse purchases, and this is one of the bigger ones.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941


Re: Electrical question

 

Thanks, Imran!
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Jacques, Christmas will come in September. I am excited about the new saw. Once in a while I make impulse purchases, and this is one of the bigger ones.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941


Re: Electrical question

 

John,
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Apologies for distracting this thread, but I am curious to know how it feels to experiment ? Christmas in Summer ?? ?
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Congrats on the new equipment - I am sure you will enjoy it.
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Regards,
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J.


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Hi John,

With PP there is really not a high (voltage) on the manufactured leg as can be expected with Rotary Phase Converters. Even though the PP is super reliable it still does not hurt to avoid connecting the manufactured leg to the electronics in the machine.

If I was having this done, I would ask the electrician to label the outlet as L1, L2, T3; ground should be identified by default.

Then when you hook up the machine you can ensure that L1 and L2 connect to the machine electronics and T3 only goes to the motor.

I am basing this on 700 and 900 series machines (actually my Format 4 dual 51 is wired the same) and assuming that Kappa 450 is same. You can always share the machine wiring diagram with the group to be sure.

BTW, you should be able to ask for a soft copy of the wiring diagram for your machine. I prefer to have the manual and electrical on my phone (and computer) and the paper copy is only referenced occasionally.

Imran Malik

On Jul 25, 2024, at 7:41?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

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Thanks, guys!
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I do not yet have the machine, so cannot look at the plug.
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I will tell the electrician I do not need a neutral.
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He has a question about a “high leg” that I cannot answer - hopefully the user manual will give him instructions on which wire to connect where.
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I certainly appreciate everyone who has chimed in to help me!
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941


Re: Electrical question

 

Thanks, guys!
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I do not yet have the machine, so cannot look at the plug.
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I will tell the electrician I do not need a neutral.
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He has a question about a “high leg” that I cannot answer - hopefully the user manual will give him instructions on which wire to connect where.
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I certainly appreciate everyone who has chimed in to help me!
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941


Re: Electrical question

 

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Felder 3-phase machines as sold in the USA do NOT require a neutral.

David Best
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https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best



On Jul 25, 2024, at 3:41?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

I contacted an electrician to install my Phase Perfect, in preparation for a 5.5 KW 3-phase slider.
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He just asked me this question “Do you know if the table saw requires a neutral?”
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I have no idea- might someone help me out?
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As a follow-on question for the FOG, does this electrician’s question indicate that he does not know what he is doing?
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Thanks much!
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941


Re: Electrical question

 

John, You can take a look at the plug you have, it can be a good start, it you have 4 wires it defensively don't use natural.
If you have 5 wires, it still not guarantee the natural is used at all.


Re: Electrical question

 

Imran, The new PP units don't use natural wire as well. only 230V + ground.


Re: Electrical question

 

In addition to what Imran wrote, Felder is generally an EU company, and the machines are expected to usually work with EU voltage.
The voltage between a phase and the natural in EU is 230V. so if there is a component that needs a 230V, in the US it will be connected between to 2 phases.

Having said that, you might want at some point to connect another machine (power feeder?/light?/air compressor?), so a natural natural wire for that circuit might not be a bad idea.
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Re: Electrical question

 

FWIW my 2023 10kw Format4 profil z x-motion doesn't use a neutral. I'm not sure if the same motors and electronics are shared between their shapers and saws or not.


On Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 7:01?PM John Hinman via <jhinman1911=[email protected]> wrote:
How do I confirm?
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The saw in question is a new Format4 KAPPA 450 X-motion.?

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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941


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Re: Electrical question

 

How do I confirm?
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The saw in question is a new Format4 KAPPA 450 X-motion.?

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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941


Re: Electrical question

 

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I was curious about my old PP unit. The manual does not show a connection for the neutral. Not sure if same is true for the newer models. Neutral is not needed by the PP to produce 3 phase but it could be needed by a machine. Not a code expert, but I assume in such case neutral can be just passed through the PP unit.

Imran Malik

On Jul 25, 2024, at 6:46?PM, Imran Malik <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?It is a valid question. A 3 phase machine can have a 120V single phase load and for that neutral would be required.

I am not aware of any Felder saws that require neutral.

Imran Malik

On Jul 25, 2024, at 6:41?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

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I contacted an electrician to install my Phase Perfect, in preparation for a 5.5 KW 3-phase slider.
?
He just asked me this question “Do you know if the table saw requires a neutral?”
?
I have no idea- might someone help me out?
?
As a follow-on question for the FOG, does this electrician’s question indicate that he does not know what he is doing?
?
Thanks much!
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941


Re: Electrical question

 

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It is a valid question. A 3 phase machine can have a 120V single phase load and for that neutral would be required.

I am not aware of any Felder saws that require neutral.

Imran Malik

On Jul 25, 2024, at 6:41?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

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I contacted an electrician to install my Phase Perfect, in preparation for a 5.5 KW 3-phase slider.
?
He just asked me this question “Do you know if the table saw requires a neutral?”
?
I have no idea- might someone help me out?
?
As a follow-on question for the FOG, does this electrician’s question indicate that he does not know what he is doing?
?
Thanks much!
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941


Electrical question

 

I contacted an electrician to install my Phase Perfect, in preparation for a 5.5 KW 3-phase slider.
?
He just asked me this question “Do you know if the table saw requires a neutral?”
?
I have no idea- might someone help me out?
?
As a follow-on question for the FOG, does this electrician’s question indicate that he does not know what he is doing?
?
Thanks much!
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941


Re: Felder groove cutter inserts

 

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How about a box of 10 for $180 from Felder?? ?Unless these are the wrong size…

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Luckensmeyer via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2024 2:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder groove cutter inserts

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It is an odd size. When I bought replacements I tried my Leitz rep (Brisbane) and he could not source the cutters for any price. Felder had them in stock.?

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Warm regards,

Lucky


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2024 5:26:46 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder groove cutter inserts

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The catalog for H3D tool Corp. lists 12 x 6 x 1.5 mm shaper cutter carbide inserts. You can reach them at this number: ?1-828-397-2467. ? I do not know if they stock them or what the price would be, but they do list them as an available choice in their catalog. ? Shars and Carbide Depot will both be dead ends as they cater to metalworking tools not woodworking. ?Leitz or C.G.G. Schmidt would be another logical choice to pursue. ??

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David Best - via mobile phone?



On Jul 23, 2024, at 12:30?AM, pjones8212 via groups.io <pjones8212@...> wrote:

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I have a k700s with the adjustable groove cutter set. I am in need of the main cutter inserts and felder has them listed for 43 for 2 before tax/shipping.... does anybody have an aftermarket source? The size in reference is 12x6x1.5mm thanks in advance.


Re: Felder groove cutter inserts

 

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It is an odd size. When I bought replacements I tried my Leitz rep (Brisbane) and he could not source the cutters for any price. Felder had them in stock.?

Warm regards,
Lucky


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2024 5:26:46 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder groove cutter inserts
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The catalog for H3D tool Corp. lists 12 x 6 x 1.5 mm shaper cutter carbide inserts. You can reach them at this number: ?1-828-397-2467. ? I do not know if they stock them or what the price would be, but they do list them as an available choice in their catalog. ? Shars and Carbide Depot will both be dead ends as they cater to metalworking tools not woodworking. ?Leitz or C.G.G. Schmidt would be another logical choice to pursue. ??

David Best - via mobile phone?

On Jul 23, 2024, at 12:30?AM, pjones8212 via groups.io <pjones8212@...> wrote:

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I have a k700s with the adjustable groove cutter set. I am in need of the main cutter inserts and felder has them listed for 43 for 2 before tax/shipping.... does anybody have an aftermarket source? The size in reference is 12x6x1.5mm thanks in advance.


Re: Felder groove cutter inserts

 

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The catalog for H3D tool Corp. lists 12 x 6 x 1.5 mm shaper cutter carbide inserts. You can reach them at this number: ?1-828-397-2467. ? I do not know if they stock them or what the price would be, but they do list them as an available choice in their catalog. ? Shars and Carbide Depot will both be dead ends as they cater to metalworking tools not woodworking. ?Leitz or C.G.G. Schmidt would be another logical choice to pursue. ??

David Best - via mobile phone?

On Jul 23, 2024, at 12:30?AM, pjones8212 via groups.io <pjones8212@...> wrote:

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I have a k700s with the adjustable groove cutter set. I am in need of the main cutter inserts and felder has them listed for 43 for 2 before tax/shipping.... does anybody have an aftermarket source? The size in reference is 12x6x1.5mm thanks in advance.


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Hi, for sale Phase Perfect Enterprise (not the entry level unit) in upgraded NEMA 3R outdoor enclosure and factory surge suppression. Low hours like new condition asking $4,500.? PTE015R-S, R in model number for NEMA and S for surge.?
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So I’d say Shars is a dead end metalwork stuff look into leitz leiser Rengate Felder FS tool Schmidt on

martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell

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On Jul 23, 2024, at 1:30?PM, Dan Gavrilyuk via groups.io <dgwoodco@...> wrote:

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Reach out to csp tooling via instagram, not sure if they have a website. They charge a fair price and probably have that size cutter in stock?

On Jul 23, 2024, at 11:23?AM, Paul Jones via groups.io <pjones8212@...> wrote:

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The main cutters are a weird 12mm long by 6mm wide with 1.5mm thickness. I haven't been able to find them except on felder site and they are spendy...

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 7:16?AM Jonathan Smith via <jonathan.smith=[email protected]> wrote:
I have a Felder dado set that uses inserts. I have not looked into exact replacements but they look like typical inserts for tooling.? In the US, Shars is an import source for indexable inserts. ? There are lots of others.
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The nomenclature for inserts is standardized. You might find a number on the back side.? Happy hunting.