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Re: Baurle planer listed on Woodweb
P? Must have been I joy to work on. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jul 30, 2024, at 1:08?PM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? I was describing them to a Felder rep once at the Las Vegas machinery show, and he said they were ¡°old cast iron¡± and that the Felder machines were much easier to adjust. I replied that I couldn¡¯t say, because in 24 years, the Bauerle¡¯s had never needed adjustment.? Classic. ?¡°We make machines with bendy parts so they can be adjusted - we even give you a parts list in German and you won¡¯t need any instructions. ?It¡¯s so simple."
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Patrick I¡¯d say it is this saw |
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On Jul 30, 2024, at 11:25?AM, David Kumm via groups.io <davekumm@...> wrote:
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Patrick, I see what you are talking about.? Looks like the blade is located where the groove is in the table.? I thought that part was the sliding table.? I would not expect the table to have a curved edge if there was a slider next to it.? Dave
Correct, but it doesnt look like the sliding table--which is missing in this example--butts up against the blade here either. The blade throat is blocked by the feeder, but it looks like the table would be 7-8" from the blade. The Martin was
similar, i think. I sold that machine 2-3 years ago, and my memory might be off. You are right, the T17 had a 54"+ long beam. It crosscut atleast?48".?
I will search the german wiki for the machine. I wish i had the model number, but i want to see if it truly takes a 24" blade and what that equates to in terms of cut capacity.?
Patrick
On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 12:05?PM mac campshure via
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The later model Kolle sliders the actual slider. The static part of the slider wasn¡¯t static. It moved to flush with the back / handle end in?
of the machine to accommodate people from the us I guess
In short the slider didn¡¯t stick out?
We¡¯re still around when I used to work the Atlanta show early 2000s maybe.
Very high-class machine.
Mac,,
Designing and building for 50 years
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Looks closer to a Wadkin PP, or Robinson ET/E.? Stroke is 32-36" and heavy.? The bearing design would be interesting to see.? Joe might know.? The T17 was a different design, longer stroke and the sliding table didn't butt up against the blade.
Dave
Thought the rest of the group would enjoy this vintage machine. I am familiar with Kolle, but i can say i have never seen this table saw before in my life, let alone for sale in the States. Anyone know of the model? Looks like it might be a competitor
to the Martin T17. Unfortunately, this particular example is missing the sliding table/crosscut attachment. Atleast, that is what i assume the brackets on the left side of the machine are for. Accepting a 24" blade would be incredible, if true. I had a T17
once upon a time and i think it maxed out at 18".?
Patrick
Re: Baurle planer listed on Woodweb
I was describing them to a Felder rep once at the Las Vegas machinery show, and he said they were ¡°old cast iron¡± and that the Felder machines were much easier to adjust. I replied that I couldn¡¯t say, because in 24 years, the Bauerle¡¯s had never needed adjustment.? Classic. ?¡°We make machines with bendy parts so they can be adjusted - we even give you a parts list in German and you won¡¯t need any instructions. ?It¡¯s so simple."
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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Re: Baurle planer listed on Woodweb
Thanks for passing on that story.? I'm sure the look on his face was priceless!
Did he reply?to you?
Marlowe?
For those unfamiliar with Bauerle machinery: ?when I was the supervisor of the Getty Museum¡¯s in-house woodshop, we had a slew of European machinery, which included a 24¡± Bauerle planer with Tersa knives and a magnificent Bauerle long-table shaper. I was describing them to a Felder rep once at the Las Vegas machinery show, and he said they were ¡°old cast iron¡± and that the Felder machines were much easier to adjust. I replied that I couldn¡¯t say, because in 24 years, the Bauerle¡¯s had never needed adjustment.?
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Patrick, I see what you are talking about.? Looks like the blade is located where the groove is in the table.? I thought that part was the sliding table.? I would not expect the table to have a curved edge if there was a slider next to it.? Dave
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Correct, but it doesnt look like the sliding table--which is missing in this example--butts up against the blade here either. The blade throat is blocked by the feeder, but it looks like the table would be 7-8" from the blade. The Martin was
similar, i think. I sold that machine 2-3 years ago, and my memory might be off. You are right, the T17 had a 54"+ long beam. It crosscut atleast?48".?
I will search the german wiki for the machine. I wish i had the model number, but i want to see if it truly takes a 24" blade and what that equates to in terms of cut capacity.?
Patrick
On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 12:05?PM mac campshure via
<mac512002= [email protected]> wrote:
The later model Kolle sliders the actual slider. The static part of the slider wasn¡¯t static. It moved to flush with the back / handle end in?
of the machine to accommodate people from the us I guess
In short the slider didn¡¯t stick out?
We¡¯re still around when I used to work the Atlanta show early 2000s maybe.
Very high-class machine.
Mac,,
Designing and building for 50 years
?
Looks closer to a Wadkin PP, or Robinson ET/E.? Stroke is 32-36" and heavy.? The bearing design would be interesting to see.? Joe might know.? The T17 was a different design, longer stroke and the sliding table didn't butt up against the blade.
Dave
Thought the rest of the group would enjoy this vintage machine. I am familiar with Kolle, but i can say i have never seen this table saw before in my life, let alone for sale in the States. Anyone know of the model? Looks like it might be a competitor
to the Martin T17. Unfortunately, this particular example is missing the sliding table/crosscut attachment. Atleast, that is what i assume the brackets on the left side of the machine are for. Accepting a 24" blade would be incredible, if true. I had a T17
once upon a time and i think it maxed out at 18".?
Patrick
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Correct, but it doesnt look like the sliding table--which is missing in this example--butts up against the blade here either. The blade throat is blocked by the feeder, but it looks like the table would be 7-8" from the blade. The Martin was similar, i think. I sold that machine 2-3 years ago, and my memory might be off. You are right, the T17 had a 54"+ long beam. It crosscut atleast?48".?
I will search the german wiki for the machine. I wish i had the model number, but i want to see if it truly takes a 24" blade and what that equates to in terms of cut capacity.?
Patrick
On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 12:05?PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: The later model Kolle sliders the actual slider. The static part of the slider wasn¡¯t static. It moved to flush with the back / handle end in? of the machine to accommodate people from the us I guess In short the slider didn¡¯t stick out? We¡¯re still around when I used to work the Atlanta show early 2000s maybe. Very high-class machine. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?
Looks closer to a Wadkin PP, or Robinson ET/E.? Stroke is 32-36" and heavy.? The bearing design would be interesting to see.? Joe might know.? The T17 was a different design, longer stroke and the sliding table didn't butt up against the blade.
Dave
Thought the rest of the group would enjoy this vintage machine. I am familiar with Kolle, but i can say i have never seen this table saw before in my life, let alone for sale in the States. Anyone know of the model? Looks like it might be a competitor
to the Martin T17. Unfortunately, this particular example is missing the sliding table/crosscut attachment. Atleast, that is what i assume the brackets on the left side of the machine are for. Accepting a 24" blade would be incredible, if true. I had a T17
once upon a time and i think it maxed out at 18".?
Patrick
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Re: Baurle planer listed on Woodweb
?I might be wrong but Brul¨¦ machine is rebadged Okama. Bankrupt in 89 To well made.? This is tag on my 25.5¡± 630 H JP Bauerle is still around no sure what there story is ?the old man was still alive last year.
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On Jul 30, 2024, at 10:52?AM, p_shapiro via groups.io <pdshapiro@...> wrote:
? For those unfamiliar with Bauerle machinery: ?when I was the supervisor of the Getty Museum¡¯s in-house woodshop, we had a slew of European machinery, which included a 24¡± Bauerle planer with Tersa knives and a magnificent Bauerle long-table shaper. I was describing them to a Felder rep once at the Las Vegas machinery show, and he said they were ¡°old cast iron¡± and that the Felder machines were much easier to adjust. I replied that I couldn¡¯t say, because in 24 years, the Bauerle¡¯s had never needed adjustment.?
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The later model Kolle sliders the actual slider. The static part of the slider wasn¡¯t static. It moved to flush with the back / handle end in? of the machine to accommodate people from the us I guess In short the slider didn¡¯t stick out? We¡¯re still around when I used to work the Atlanta show early 2000s maybe. Very high-class machine. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jul 30, 2024, at 10:50?AM, David Kumm via groups.io <davekumm@...> wrote:
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Looks closer to a Wadkin PP, or Robinson ET/E.? Stroke is 32-36" and heavy.? The bearing design would be interesting to see.? Joe might know.? The T17 was a different design, longer stroke and the sliding table didn't butt up against the blade.
Dave
Thought the rest of the group would enjoy this vintage machine. I am familiar with Kolle, but i can say i have never seen this table saw before in my life, let alone for sale in the States. Anyone know of the model? Looks like it might be a competitor
to the Martin T17. Unfortunately, this particular example is missing the sliding table/crosscut attachment. Atleast, that is what i assume the brackets on the left side of the machine are for. Accepting a 24" blade would be incredible, if true. I had a T17
once upon a time and i think it maxed out at 18".?
Patrick
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Re: Felder Diamond Blade - saw marks
Sautershop does recommend the highest rpm possible - max 6000rpm.?
My Kappa 450x is setup for 5500 rpm presently. Considering changing the best to 4500 rpm and seeing if that has any effect, however good/bad.??
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Interestingly enough, the computer menu on the Kappa 450x came pre-loaded with all various Felder saw blades pre-programmed with all their info(diameter, kerf, recommended rpm speed) which is kinda cool
The info for the diamond blade had it listed as 5000rpm. Likely doesn't change anything. Just curious.
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Also curious if changing the riving knife to the actual Felder version would change anything. The AKE knife is 1.9mm. I realize that is splitting literal hairs on the issue
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Re: Baurle planer listed on Woodweb
For those unfamiliar with Bauerle machinery: ?when I was the supervisor of the Getty Museum¡¯s in-house woodshop, we had a slew of European machinery, which included a 24¡± Bauerle planer with Tersa knives and a magnificent Bauerle long-table shaper. I was describing them to a Felder rep once at the Las Vegas machinery show, and he said they were ¡°old cast iron¡± and that the Felder machines were much easier to adjust. I replied that I couldn¡¯t say, because in 24 years, the Bauerle¡¯s had never needed adjustment.?
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Looks closer to a Wadkin PP, or Robinson ET/E.? Stroke is 32-36" and heavy.? The bearing design would be interesting to see.? Joe might know.? The T17 was a different design, longer stroke and the sliding table didn't butt up against the blade.
Dave
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Thought the rest of the group would enjoy this vintage machine. I am familiar with Kolle, but i can say i have never seen this table saw before in my life, let alone for sale in the States. Anyone know of the model? Looks like it might be a competitor
to the Martin T17. Unfortunately, this particular example is missing the sliding table/crosscut attachment. Atleast, that is what i assume the brackets on the left side of the machine are for. Accepting a 24" blade would be incredible, if true. I had a T17
once upon a time and i think it maxed out at 18".?
Patrick
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Thought the rest of the group would enjoy this vintage machine. I am familiar with Kolle, but i can say i have never seen this table saw before in my life, let alone for sale in the States. Anyone know of the model? Looks like it might be a competitor to the Martin T17. Unfortunately, this particular example is missing the sliding table/crosscut attachment. Atleast, that is what i assume the brackets on the left side of the machine are for. Accepting a 24" blade would be incredible, if true. I had a T17 once upon a time and i think it maxed out at 18".?
Patrick
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Netanel,
The machine is wired per drawing. There are too many reasons to list, to do so.
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On Jul 30, 2024, at 10:31?AM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote: ? [Edited Message Follows]
I think it is a matter of mentality. 3 phase power in most of the world is delivered by the electric company. In that case it doesn¡¯t matter which phase you connect where.
The employees who assembly the machine probably don¡¯t care which phase connects where.
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It is mainly US customers that need to find a solution for the lack of 3 phases at residential addresses. So they manufacture a third leg from devices like PP.?
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I think it is a matter of mentality. 3 phase power in most of the world is delivered by the electric company. In that case it doesn¡¯t matter which phase you connect where.
The employees who assembly the machine probably don¡¯t care which phase connects where.
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It is mainly US customers that need to find a solution for the lack of 3 phases at residential addresses. So they manufacture a third leg from devices like PP.?
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Fortunately for me I will be using a Phase Perfect. I¡¯ll still try to get the high leg on the machine¡¯s L2, though.
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It is hard to fathom why a manufacturer would be inconsistent in wiring machines.
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John Hinman
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K700S and A941
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Re: Felder Diamond Blade - saw marks
Here are couple of pics of tooth from video Abruptlly shared. The tooth is short in height with even shorter sides. Not sure if this is done to save on material cost or to reduce air profile to reduce noise or both. Not sure if all diamond blades have same tooth size/shape. Felder blade has 48 teeth so more in line with a combination blade. With the small bite size, I imagine, the feed rate needs to less than a comparable carbide blade, unless the diamond blade operates at a higher RPM . Just spitballing.
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On Jul 30, 2024, at 7:06?AM, abruptlly via groups.io <abruptlly@...> wrote: ? I'll try to snag a few photos when I get home tonight and see if I can post them.?
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That being said, there is a German video from AKE here that @ 2:28 you can see the profile of one of the teeth on a microscope as an AKE tech is evaluating the blade.
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The curious thing is why some peoples blades are performing flawlessly, and why some aren't in much more dramatic fashion.?
Purchasing direct from sautershop, I'm not sure I can return the blade easily for excessive marking. I guess thats the advantage of buying from Felder USA given the increase cost of purchase.?
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I don't think my blade is as bad as Mikelis' as far as the marking. But its definitely a little disappointing given the cost of the blade itself.?
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Re: Felder Diamond Blade - saw marks
I'll try to snag a few photos when I get home tonight and see if I can post them.?
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That being said, there is a German video from AKE here that @ 2:28 you can see the profile of one of the teeth on a microscope as an AKE tech is evaluating the blade.
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The curious thing is why some peoples blades are performing flawlessly, and why some aren't in much more dramatic fashion.?
Purchasing direct from sautershop, I'm not sure I can return the blade easily for excessive marking. I guess thats the advantage of buying from Felder USA given the increase cost of purchase.?
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I don't think my blade is as bad as Mikelis' as far as the marking. But its definitely a little disappointing given the cost of the blade itself.?
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I have a bunch of defective electronic equipment out of Felder machines, and some repair bills that refute Mr. Dingus¡¯ claim that " The high leg's position does not immediately cause any problems?¡°. ? It¡¯s a shame that Felder lets employees make such claims as their equipment does NOT include internal voltage regulation and will definitely let ¡°sensitive electronics¡± fry with voltages above about 245. ?This is not generally an issue when using a Phase Perfect, which is who this choice is ideal. ?But I can guarantee you that rotary phase converters can often output voltages in the 260-270 range on the high leg during high-current draw during motor startup.
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On Jul 29, 2024, at 12:57?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote:
As I had one response from Felder¡¯s tech support and a different response from the sales rep, I asked Mr. Dingus for clarification. His response is below. Note that my question for him was in regards to a specific machine (Format-4 Kappa 450 x-motion).
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He does explain how to check the wiring. As I understand things, opening the electrical box on Felder tools voids the warrantee. I suppose I can ask for permission to do so once the machine arrives.
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Note that ?he says it does not make a great deal of difference where the manufactured leg is connected.
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Hi John,
Most?of our machines connect the brown power cable wire to Leg 2 inside the machine as shown in her picture, but not all. Yours happens to be one of the exceptions. The high leg's position does not immediately cause any problems though. For some components being connected to the high leg can slightly reduce component life span. Generally we have 2 legs of power that go to the control electronics and 1 that mostly only goes to the motor, and we put the high leg on the wire that just powers the motor. That keeps it away from the more sensitive electronics. This is essentially extra?protection for the longevity of the parts, not a requirement for them to run. We still recommend putting the high leg on Leg 2 to ensure maximum life span but connecting to a different leg wouldn't prevent the machine from running.
If you'd like to be 100% sure you can open the electrical panel on the machine and trace the power cable's wires back into the panel. They will go from your shop, to the on / off power disconnect switch on the chassis, then to DIN rail terminals labeled L1, L2, and L3. You're looking for the wire connected to the L2 terminal.
Best Regards
Phillip Dingus
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Baurle planer listed on Woodweb
Here's the first of numerous machines I'm selling. ?
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Time to recover some space to work more efficiently.
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Marlowe McGraw
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Re: Felder Diamond Blade - saw marks
Can anyone take a close-up picture on some of the teeth of these diamond type blades?
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THEORY:? I am thinking that it's not the kerf size that is causing your saw mark problems.? I think the size of the teeth on the diamond blades are so tiny that it's not able to smooth out the saw marks.?
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On a standard blade, the sides of the teeth are very straight and tall (like about 1/4" tall).? I think these tall flat-edged teeth are helping to shave the edge of the wood as it cuts into the material itself.? It acts somewhat like a jointer knife which creates a flat non-marked surface.
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What do you guys think?
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-Aaron
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