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The saw in question is a new Format4 KAPPA 450 X-motion.?
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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I was curious about my old PP unit. The manual does not show a connection for the neutral. Not sure if same is true for the newer models. Neutral is not needed by the PP to produce 3 phase but it could be needed by a machine. Not a code expert, but I assume in such case neutral can be just passed through the PP unit.
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On Jul 25, 2024, at 6:46?PM, Imran Malik <imranindiana@...> wrote: ? It is a valid question. A 3 phase machine can have a 120V single phase load and for that neutral would be required.
I am not aware of any Felder saws that require neutral.
On Jul 25, 2024, at 6:41?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote:
? I contacted an electrician to install my Phase Perfect, in preparation for a 5.5 KW 3-phase slider.
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He just asked me this question ¡°Do you know if the table saw requires a neutral?¡±
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I have no idea- might someone help me out?
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As a follow-on question for the FOG, does this electrician¡¯s question indicate that he does not know what he is doing?
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Thanks much!
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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It is a valid question. A 3 phase machine can have a 120V single phase load and for that neutral would be required.
I am not aware of any Felder saws that require neutral.
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On Jul 25, 2024, at 6:41?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote: ? I contacted an electrician to install my Phase Perfect, in preparation for a 5.5 KW 3-phase slider.
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He just asked me this question ¡°Do you know if the table saw requires a neutral?¡±
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I have no idea- might someone help me out?
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As a follow-on question for the FOG, does this electrician¡¯s question indicate that he does not know what he is doing?
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Thanks much!
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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I contacted an electrician to install my Phase Perfect, in preparation for a 5.5 KW 3-phase slider.
?
He just asked me this question ¡°Do you know if the table saw requires a neutral?¡±
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I have no idea- might someone help me out?
?
As a follow-on question for the FOG, does this electrician¡¯s question indicate that he does not know what he is doing?
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Thanks much!
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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Re: Felder groove cutter inserts
How about a box of 10 for $180 from Felder?? ?Unless these are the wrong size¡ ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Luckensmeyer via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2024 2:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder groove cutter inserts? It is an odd size. When I bought replacements I tried my Leitz rep (Brisbane) and he could not source the cutters for any price. Felder had them in stock.?
The catalog for H3D tool Corp. lists 12 x 6 x 1.5 mm shaper cutter carbide inserts. You can reach them at this number: ?1-828-397-2467. ? I do not know if they stock them or what the price would be, but they do list them as an available choice in their catalog. ? Shars and Carbide Depot will both be dead ends as they cater to metalworking tools not woodworking. ?Leitz or C.G.G. Schmidt would be another logical choice to pursue. ?? ? David Best - via mobile phone?
On Jul 23, 2024, at 12:30?AM, pjones8212 via groups.io <pjones8212@...> wrote:
? I have a k700s with the adjustable groove cutter set. I am in need of the main cutter inserts and felder has them listed for 43 for 2 before tax/shipping.... does anybody have an aftermarket source? The size in reference is 12x6x1.5mm thanks in advance.
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Re: Felder groove cutter inserts
It is an odd size. When I bought replacements I tried my Leitz rep (Brisbane) and he could not source the cutters for any price. Felder had them in stock.?
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The catalog for H3D tool Corp. lists 12 x 6 x 1.5 mm shaper cutter carbide inserts. You can reach them at this number: ?1-828-397-2467. ? I do not know if they stock them or what the price would be, but they do list them as an available choice
in their catalog. ? Shars and Carbide Depot will both be dead ends as they cater to metalworking tools not woodworking. ?Leitz or C.G.G. Schmidt would be another logical choice to pursue. ??
David Best - via mobile phone?
On Jul 23, 2024, at 12:30?AM, pjones8212 via groups.io <pjones8212@...> wrote:
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I have a k700s with the adjustable groove cutter set. I am in need of the main cutter inserts and felder has them listed for 43 for 2 before tax/shipping.... does anybody have an aftermarket source? The size in reference is 12x6x1.5mm thanks in advance.
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Re: Felder groove cutter inserts
The catalog for H3D tool Corp. lists 12 x 6 x 1.5 mm shaper cutter carbide inserts. You can reach them at this number: ?1-828-397-2467. ? I do not know if they stock them or what the price would be, but they do list them as an available choice in their catalog. ? Shars and Carbide Depot will both be dead ends as they cater to metalworking tools not woodworking. ?Leitz or C.G.G. Schmidt would be another logical choice to pursue. ?? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Jul 23, 2024, at 12:30?AM, pjones8212 via groups.io <pjones8212@...> wrote:
? I have a k700s with the adjustable groove cutter set. I am in need of the main cutter inserts and felder has them listed for 43 for 2 before tax/shipping.... does anybody have an aftermarket source? The size in reference is 12x6x1.5mm thanks in advance.
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Hi, for sale Phase Perfect Enterprise (not the entry level unit) in upgraded NEMA 3R outdoor enclosure and factory surge suppression. Low hours like new condition asking $4,500.? PTE015R-S, R in model number for NEMA and S for surge.?
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Jay Bowen
Cleveland
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Re: Felder groove cutter inserts
So I¡¯d say Shars is a dead end metalwork stuff look into leitz leiser Rengate Felder FS tool Schmidt on Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jul 23, 2024, at 1:30?PM, Dan Gavrilyuk via groups.io <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
? Reach out to csp tooling via instagram, not sure if they have a website. They charge a fair price and probably have that size cutter in stock? On Jul 23, 2024, at 11:23?AM, Paul Jones via groups.io <pjones8212@...> wrote:
? The main cutters are a weird 12mm long by 6mm wide with 1.5mm thickness. I haven't been able to find them except on felder site and they are spendy... On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 7:16?AM Jonathan Smith via <jonathan.smith= [email protected]> wrote: I have a Felder dado set that uses inserts. I have not looked into exact replacements but they look like typical inserts for tooling.? In the US, Shars is an import source for indexable inserts. ? There are lots of others.
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The nomenclature for inserts is standardized. You might find a number on the back side.? Happy hunting.
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Re: Felder groove cutter inserts
Reach out to csp tooling via instagram, not sure if they have a website. They charge a fair price and probably have that size cutter in stock?
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On Jul 23, 2024, at 11:23?AM, Paul Jones via groups.io <pjones8212@...> wrote:
? The main cutters are a weird 12mm long by 6mm wide with 1.5mm thickness. I haven't been able to find them except on felder site and they are spendy... On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 7:16?AM Jonathan Smith via <jonathan.smith= [email protected]> wrote: I have a Felder dado set that uses inserts. I have not looked into exact replacements but they look like typical inserts for tooling.? In the US, Shars is an import source for indexable inserts. ? There are lots of others.
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The nomenclature for inserts is standardized. You might find a number on the back side.? Happy hunting.
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Re: Felder groove cutter inserts
The main cutters are a weird 12mm long by 6mm wide with 1.5mm thickness. I haven't been able to find them except on felder site and they are spendy... On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 7:16?AM Jonathan Smith via <jonathan.smith= [email protected]> wrote:
I have a Felder dado set that uses inserts. I have not looked into exact replacements but they look like typical inserts for tooling.? In the US, Shars is an import source for indexable inserts. ? There are lots of others.
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The nomenclature for inserts is standardized. You might find a number on the back side.? Happy hunting.
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Re: Felder groove cutter inserts
I have a Felder dado set that uses inserts. I have not looked into exact replacements but they look like typical inserts for tooling.? In the US, Shars is an import source for indexable inserts. ? There are lots of others.
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The nomenclature for inserts is standardized. You might find a number on the back side.? Happy hunting.
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Installing Felder Precision Miter unit with Pin Locating
Copied from my FB post:
Received parts for what Felder calls "Precision Miter Unit with Pin Locating System". Installation was straight forward and can be done in 15 mins, just read the picture captions to get an idea. The Xcut fence now locks at 5 deg increments up to 45 degree with a special stop at 22.5 degrees.
Felder missed an opportunity to make the calibration unnecessary. Any self respecting Felder owner really dials in the 90 deg stop, if Felder increased the length of the indexing bar by couple of inches and added a hole for 0 deg no calibration should be required.
I will place the parts list in the files section in few days and also report on how well it actually works. Since there is no slop to speak of, I know that I can get it to at least give me 45 deg every time. That alone is worth the parts cost, under $300.
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Felder groove cutter inserts
I have a k700s with the adjustable groove cutter set. I am in need of the main cutter inserts and felder has them listed for 43 for 2 before tax/shipping.... does anybody have an aftermarket source? The size in reference is 12x6x1.5mm thanks in advance.
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Hi Aaron, ? This picture of simple model shows what appears to be a fan at the bottom. It would be nice if an owner of simple model could chime in with details. 
? The manual says ¡°Hard starting loads such as fans, conveyors, and pumps may cause the PTS to briefly reduce the voltage on the generated leg during motor start¡±. Based upon this, 16¡¯ planning head and shaper with heavy tooling should be fine. Overcurrent/Motor Starting graph below shows that 7.5HP model can deliver over 50A for 10 S. I think this is more than sufficient if the specification actually represents true performance. ? 
? The missing capacitors you identified might belong to the line filter per the manual below. So one could expect more electrical noise compared to the enterprise model. 
? As I mentioned to the OP, running a device close to it¡¯s rating does have an impact on life. Someone also mentioned that there might be more equipment in future so a bigger model may be good investment. ? Imran ? ?
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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Aaron Inami via groups.io Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 11:40 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Phase Perfect Simple ? Looking at the manuals, the "Simple" model is significantly smaller in size compared to the "Enterprise" model: 7HP Simple: 17 9/16¡± x 12 5/16¡± x 6 5/16¡± 7HP Enterprise: ?25 7/16¡± x 17 1/4" x 7 3/8¡± Looking at an internal diagram where Enterprise is on top and Simple on bottom, it appears that we have capacitors in the main AC-to-DC power supply on the left.? However, only the Enterprise has capacitors on the upper right for the board that drives the third leg.? The Simple model also does not appear to have any forced air cooling inside the unit.?? On the Enterprise, the big rectangle section in the middle is a forced air cooling area that aids with the other case fans.? I believe the Simple model just does not have room inside the case to put output run capacitors or cooling. This could indicate that the "Simple" model does not have enough grunt to drive multiple motors or start a secondary motor while driving the first motor.?? In any event, I suspect the Simple model will not perform as well as Enterprise.
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I read the article. My only concern is with the recommended 0.2 mm pass. Depending upon the species it may require decent amount of sanding to get rid of infeed roller marks. Perhaps that is better than the alternative.
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On Jul 22, 2024, at 11:32?AM, James Zhu via groups.io <james.zhu2@...> wrote: ? Lucky,
Thanks for the link. I will let?the group know how the jig build goes.
Thanks, James On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 12:20?AM David Luckensmeyer via <dhluckens= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi James:
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I¡¯m not sure if you¡¯ve seen Issue 119 of Australian Wood Review? In that issue, Neil wrote an article on his nifty vacuum box for thicknessing thin stock. The mag issue can be purchased here:
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That¡¯s a link to the electronic version, which is $11.55AUD which is just under $8USD.
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Let us know how you go with the build!
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AD941 has the steel feed rollers. Neil does not mention anything about the feed rollers. I think he uses his jig on AD941 to plane the material as it is.
I will copy Neil's jig to make 1/8" thick laminate for the rocking chair's sled using my AD741, cause I have no space for a drum sander in my double car garage shop.
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On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 1:29?PM Gerry Kmack via
<gerry.kmack=[email protected]> wrote:
I see that Neil Erasmus made a custom vacuum chuck to secure thin workpieces as they run through he planer.... very interesting!
What's unusual about this (in my experience with other vacuum chucks) is that, instead of securing the workpiece firmly, it allows the workpiece to slide over the chuck, driven by the feed rollers (ie the
workpiece moves, the chuck is stationary).... I would never have thought of attempting that.
In order to remove such minuscule amounts on each pass, I assume that he is not using the standard Felder steel feed rollers?
Thanks for the very ool info!
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Lucky,
Thanks for the link. I will let?the group know how the jig build goes.
Thanks, James
On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 12:20?AM David Luckensmeyer via <dhluckens= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi James:
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I¡¯m not sure if you¡¯ve seen Issue 119 of Australian Wood Review? In that issue, Neil wrote an article on his nifty vacuum box for thicknessing thin stock. The mag issue can be purchased here:
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That¡¯s a link to the electronic version, which is $11.55AUD which is just under $8USD.
?
Let us know how you go with the build!
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AD941 has the steel feed rollers. Neil does not mention anything about the feed rollers. I think he uses his jig on AD941 to plane the material as it is.
I will copy Neil's jig to make 1/8" thick laminate for the rocking chair's sled using my AD741, cause I have no space for a drum sander in my double car garage shop.
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On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 1:29?PM Gerry Kmack via
<gerry.kmack=[email protected]> wrote:
I see that Neil Erasmus made a custom vacuum chuck to secure thin workpieces as they run through he planer.... very interesting!
What's unusual about this (in my experience with other vacuum chucks) is that, instead of securing the workpiece firmly, it allows the workpiece to slide over the chuck, driven by the feed rollers (ie the
workpiece moves, the chuck is stationary).... I would never have thought of attempting that.
In order to remove such minuscule amounts on each pass, I assume that he is not using the standard Felder steel feed rollers?
Thanks for the very ool info!
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French River Woodworks had a video on you tube with the Uline model #.? It is S-5424.? I ordered them and use them on my RL200.
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They are cheaper and seem to work fine.
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PK
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Hi James:
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I¡¯m not sure if you¡¯ve seen Issue 119 of Australian Wood Review? In that issue, Neil wrote an article on his nifty vacuum box for thicknessing thin stock. The mag issue can be purchased here:
?
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That¡¯s a link to the electronic version, which is $11.55AUD which is just under $8USD.
?
Let us know how you go with the build!
?
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AD941 has the steel feed rollers. Neil does not mention anything about the feed rollers. I think he uses his jig on AD941 to plane the material as it is.
I will copy Neil's jig to make 1/8" thick laminate for the rocking chair's sled using my AD741, cause I have no space for a drum sander in my double car garage shop.
?
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On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 1:29?PM Gerry Kmack via
<gerry.kmack=[email protected]> wrote:
I see that Neil Erasmus made a custom vacuum chuck to secure thin workpieces as they run through he planer.... very interesting!
What's unusual about this (in my experience with other vacuum chucks) is that, instead of securing the workpiece firmly, it allows the workpiece to slide over the chuck, driven by the feed rollers (ie the
workpiece moves, the chuck is stationary).... I would never have thought of attempting that.
In order to remove such minuscule amounts on each pass, I assume that he is not using the standard Felder steel feed rollers?
Thanks for the very ool info!
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Gerry,
AD941 has the steel feed rollers. Neil does not mention anything about the feed rollers. I think he uses his jig on AD941 to plane the material as it is.
I will copy Neil's jig to make 1/8" thick laminate for the rocking chair's sled using my AD741, cause I have no space for a drum sander in my double car garage shop.
James
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 1:29?PM Gerry Kmack via <gerry.kmack= [email protected]> wrote: James -?
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I see that Neil Erasmus made a custom vacuum chuck to secure thin workpieces as they run through he planer.... very interesting!
?
What's unusual about this (in my experience with other vacuum chucks) is that, instead of securing the workpiece firmly, it allows the workpiece to slide over the chuck, driven by the feed rollers (ie the workpiece moves, the chuck is stationary).... I would never have thought of attempting that.
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In order to remove such minuscule amounts on each pass, I assume that he is not using the standard Felder steel feed rollers?
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Thanks for the very ool info!
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Gerry Kmack
Kmack Studios
Pagosa Springs, C
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Jonathan Smith
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