Re: Lamello Cantex for sale $2000
? Wade I have to lamelo a biscuit joiner and a boat patcher both over 50 years old,¡¯ Never replaced anything on them they habe clutches so if you hit a screw or such it slips and save s the cutter.? I think my Hebor /Hoffman lipper is also 50 years old . Mac,,
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:40?PM, Jack Decker via groups.io <vernaculardesign@...> wrote:
? Talk to Chris Hoffman at colonial saw. Still some parts Available and the carbide blades should be available indefinitely? Jack Decker
Vernacular Design
518 567 2051
On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:56?PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? I bought replacement knives for my Cantex last year from??which is the importer for the USA. ?I¡¯ve had mine for 20+ years and it is one of the most enjoyable and well built tools in my shop. ? David Best - via mobile phone? On Feb 1, 2024, at 4:37?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hi James,
That¡¯s too bad they stopped making this. ?What an awesome tool. ?I wonder if parts will be hard to get if production has stopped as well? ?I¡¯ve watch a few videos now and it¡¯s impressive anyways!
Thx,
Wade On Feb 1, 2024, at 11:31 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Wade,
Lamello Cantex was discontinued in 2018, it appears that Lamello did not sell this specialty tool a lot. It is a great tool for sure, just like other tools made by Lamello. Clearly Lamello is doing well selling Zeta P2 and its connectors.
Believe it or not, it was cheaper buying Cantex in Canada than in the USA before. It was CAD$ 1850 in 2015, I almost pulled the trigger to buy it.
There are alternative ways of trimming the hardwood edge banding. You can modify Festool MFK like Paul Marcel did?. Using this router bit?, you can trim up to 25mm wide edge banding. Of course, you do not want to remove like 5mm thick material using the router bit, but 1 or 2 mm should be just fine.
James Hi Joe Jensen,
Looks to be a nice tool to have for hardwood edge-banding.? Have you ever tested with melamine too?? Which model do you have?? Did a quick research, but can¡¯t find anyone who has them.
Thx,
Wade
On Feb 1, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Joe Jensen <joe@...> wrote:
? I put hardwood edges on all panels that I veneer and any veneered plywood. The Cantex is awesome.? On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:12?AM, Jack Decker via <vernaculardesign=[email protected]> wrote:
?As an owner of both the virutex and cantex, the adjustment mechanism on the cantex is superior. If you¡¯ve ever used a top 21 it¡¯s the same idea. The virutex is a guess and check.?
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Re: Lamello Cantex for sale $2000
Talk to Chris Hoffman at colonial saw. Still some parts Available and the carbide blades should be available indefinitely? Jack Decker
Vernacular Design
518 567 2051
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:56?PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? I bought replacement knives for my Cantex last year from??which is the importer for the USA. ?I¡¯ve had mine for 20+ years and it is one of the most enjoyable and well built tools in my shop. ? David Best - via mobile phone? On Feb 1, 2024, at 4:37?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hi James,
That¡¯s too bad they stopped making this. ?What an awesome tool. ?I wonder if parts will be hard to get if production has stopped as well? ?I¡¯ve watch a few videos now and it¡¯s impressive anyways!
Thx,
Wade On Feb 1, 2024, at 11:31 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Wade,
Lamello Cantex was discontinued in 2018, it appears that Lamello did not sell this specialty tool a lot. It is a great tool for sure, just like other tools made by Lamello. Clearly Lamello is doing well selling Zeta P2 and its connectors.
Believe it or not, it was cheaper buying Cantex in Canada than in the USA before. It was CAD$ 1850 in 2015, I almost pulled the trigger to buy it.
There are alternative ways of trimming the hardwood edge banding. You can modify Festool MFK like Paul Marcel did?. Using this router bit?, you can trim up to 25mm wide edge banding. Of course, you do not want to remove like 5mm thick material using the router bit, but 1 or 2 mm should be just fine.
James Hi Joe Jensen,
Looks to be a nice tool to have for hardwood edge-banding.? Have you ever tested with melamine too?? Which model do you have?? Did a quick research, but can¡¯t find anyone who has them.
Thx,
Wade
On Feb 1, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Joe Jensen <joe@...> wrote:
? I put hardwood edges on all panels that I veneer and any veneered plywood. The Cantex is awesome.? On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:12?AM, Jack Decker via <vernaculardesign=[email protected]> wrote:
?As an owner of both the virutex and cantex, the adjustment mechanism on the cantex is superior. If you¡¯ve ever used a top 21 it¡¯s the same idea. The virutex is a guess and check.?
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Re: Lamello Cantex for sale $2000
I bought replacement knives for my Cantex last year from??which is the importer for the USA. ?I¡¯ve had mine for 20+ years and it is one of the most enjoyable and well built tools in my shop. ? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 4:37?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hi James,
That¡¯s too bad they stopped making this. ?What an awesome tool. ?I wonder if parts will be hard to get if production has stopped as well? ?I¡¯ve watch a few videos now and it¡¯s impressive anyways!
Thx,
Wade On Feb 1, 2024, at 11:31 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Wade,
Lamello Cantex was discontinued in 2018, it appears that Lamello did not sell this specialty tool a lot. It is a great tool for sure, just like other tools made by Lamello. Clearly Lamello is doing well selling Zeta P2 and its connectors.
Believe it or not, it was cheaper buying Cantex in Canada than in the USA before. It was CAD$ 1850 in 2015, I almost pulled the trigger to buy it.
There are alternative ways of trimming the hardwood edge banding. You can modify Festool MFK like Paul Marcel did?. Using this router bit?, you can trim up to 25mm wide edge banding. Of course, you do not want to remove like 5mm thick material using the router bit, but 1 or 2 mm should be just fine.
James Hi Joe Jensen,
Looks to be a nice tool to have for hardwood edge-banding.? Have you ever tested with melamine too?? Which model do you have?? Did a quick research, but can¡¯t find anyone who has them.
Thx,
Wade
On Feb 1, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Joe Jensen <joe@...> wrote:
? I put hardwood edges on all panels that I veneer and any veneered plywood. The Cantex is awesome.? On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:12?AM, Jack Decker via <vernaculardesign=[email protected]> wrote:
?As an owner of both the virutex and cantex, the adjustment mechanism on the cantex is superior. If you¡¯ve ever used a top 21 it¡¯s the same idea. The virutex is a guess and check.?
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Re: Lamello Cantex for sale $2000
Hi James,
That¡¯s too bad they stopped making this. ?What an awesome tool. ?I wonder if parts will be hard to get if production has stopped as well? ?I¡¯ve watch a few videos now and it¡¯s impressive anyways!
Thx,
Wade
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 11:31 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Wade,
Lamello Cantex was discontinued in 2018, it appears that Lamello did not sell this specialty tool a lot. It is a great tool for sure, just like other tools made by Lamello. Clearly Lamello is doing well selling Zeta P2 and its connectors.
Believe it or not, it was cheaper buying Cantex in Canada than in the USA before. It was CAD$ 1850 in 2015, I almost pulled the trigger to buy it.
There are alternative ways of trimming the hardwood edge banding. You can modify Festool MFK like Paul Marcel did?. Using this router bit?, you can trim up to 25mm wide edge banding. Of course, you do not want to remove like 5mm thick material using the router bit, but 1 or 2 mm should be just fine.
James Hi Joe Jensen,
Looks to be a nice tool to have for hardwood edge-banding.? Have you ever tested with melamine too?? Which model do you have?? Did a quick research, but can¡¯t find anyone who has them.
Thx,
Wade
On Feb 1, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Joe Jensen <joe@...> wrote:
? I put hardwood edges on all panels that I veneer and any veneered plywood. The Cantex is awesome.? On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:12?AM, Jack Decker via <vernaculardesign=[email protected]> wrote:
?As an owner of both the virutex and cantex, the adjustment mechanism on the cantex is superior. If you¡¯ve ever used a top 21 it¡¯s the same idea. The virutex is a guess and check.?
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Veneering: Substrate & Supplier
Looking for recommendations on best substrate for veneering rift white oak for kitchen slab cabinets.? Also a preferred supplier who can provide multiple matching sheets.??
I recently made the cabinet drawers for a bathroom using GL Veneer premium rift white veneer with 10 Mil backer.? Two 3/8 MDF, cupped side were Total Boat epoxied together.? Glued 5/8 wide rift white oak hardwood to all 4 sides using Titebond 3.? Veneered using vacuum pump and Unibond One.? Clear coat was Renner 851.? My results were very good but not great.? The veneer looks great but the drawers are not 100% flat.??
The kitchen cabinets doors and drawers will be larger. Multiple matching veneers from GL is? $300 plus per sheet.? Suggestions on products and process to improve on???
I appreciate your thoughts.
Storm
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Re: Lamello Cantex for sale $2000
Joe,
I was thinking more along the lines of a hardwood edge applied to the melamine and then running the machine along to flush it up without marring the melamine face.
Thx,
Wade
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 1:59 PM, Joe Jensen <joe@...> wrote:
? As far as I know I have the same as pictured. ?Mine came in a birch box with a fence. The cutters are carbide I think. I don¡¯t use melamine. It would do the tape for melamine but it would leave a sharp 90 degree edge.?
On Feb 1, 2024, at 12:01?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hi Joe Jensen,
Looks to be a nice tool to have for hardwood edge-banding. ?Have you ever tested with melamine too? ?Which model do you have? ?Did a quick research, but can¡¯t find anyone who has them.
Thx,
Wade
On Feb 1, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Joe Jensen <joe@...> wrote:
? I put hardwood edges on all panels that I veneer and any veneered plywood. The Cantex is awesome.? On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:12?AM, Jack Decker via groups.io <vernaculardesign@...> wrote:
?As an owner of both the virutex and cantex, the adjustment mechanism on the cantex is superior. If you¡¯ve ever used a top 21 it¡¯s the same idea. The virutex is a guess and check.?
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Re: Lamello Cantex for sale $2000
As far as I know I have the same as pictured. ?Mine came in a birch box with a fence. The cutters are carbide I think. I don¡¯t use melamine. It would do the tape for melamine but it would leave a sharp 90 degree edge.?
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 12:01?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hi Joe Jensen,
Looks to be a nice tool to have for hardwood edge-banding. ?Have you ever tested with melamine too? ?Which model do you have? ?Did a quick research, but can¡¯t find anyone who has them.
Thx,
Wade
On Feb 1, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Joe Jensen <joe@...> wrote:
? I put hardwood edges on all panels that I veneer and any veneered plywood. The Cantex is awesome.? On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:12?AM, Jack Decker via groups.io <vernaculardesign@...> wrote:
?As an owner of both the virutex and cantex, the adjustment mechanism on the cantex is superior. If you¡¯ve ever used a top 21 it¡¯s the same idea. The virutex is a guess and check.?
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Re: Lamello Cantex for sale $2000
Hi Kevin,
I¡¯d like to purchase your Cantex. Thanks.
Best Regards, Ryan Baniaga
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On Jan 31, 2024, at 12:38?PM, Kevin Eagan <Keagan235@...> wrote:
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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
The K700S can be had with a lot of different options. Folks in this group can help identify the ones you might not even think about. Processes with a slider are not the same as with a cabinet saw, so if you don¡¯t have experience with a slider you might not know how significant some of the options are.
I like my slider, except for ripping. Ripping with a slider seems to be more tedious than with a cabinet saw (people will disagree with me on that).
You¡¯ll find that the build quality of a K700S is far superior to a SawStop.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
Welcome. What sort of projects do you see yourself building? I havent owned an Altendorf, but i infer that their flagship line is 'up there' with Martin and scm's?L'invicibile. Which is all to say, im confident?it's more saw than ill ever need or require, but something to dream about. However, if you build small to medium size pieces of furniture, then i think you will find a K700S(or similar make from another manufacturer) to be more than up to the task. I have an older 2005-2006 KF700, and I dont have a reason to complain. Sure, it could be larger with a gigantic cast iron top like the Martin saws. Or, i could take videos of me jumping up and down on the fully extended slider with little deflection, but practically speaking my joinery is mostly perfect with the Felder. I can see another user being a little disappointed in my saw if their intended use was straightlining very large and thick slabs. Or, if you are cutting 3/4"+ melamine sheets all day long. I owned other vintage saws, and the build was much more robust than my KF700. It isnt flimsy, but i always find myself gently lowering workpieces onto the table and outrigger. Ive been in pro shops with bigger saws, and their workers constantly slamming sheet goods onto the slider. Still, those machines cut well day in and day out. I think that is what i kinda come back to when comparing the ultra premium machines. They hold tolerances much better under hard use. For the majority of us, i dont?think you will notice an appreciable cut difference on most materials. If you havent used a decent slider before, i think you will come away impressed by the ease, speed, and accuracy. I built memorable things on my delta unisaw, but working with a very accurate crosscut fence and stop is unbelievably nice. Your first time cutting up sheet goods on a slider will be transformative. I remember being blown away by how little i had to pick up the sheet, and how square my parts were compared to a track saw/cabinet saw. I picked up a small oliver saw to compliment the felder, but it does 90% of the lifting. I save the oliver for wider dados, and funky cuts where its easier to build a quick jig.?
One counterpoint towards safety. I think sliding saws are slightly safer machines than a typical cabinet saw, but they will still cut your hand off if you let them. I see that point come up comparing sliding saws' safety to sawstop, and i dont?buy that. If you are unsure about your abilities or you lack confidence around machines, then the sawstop is something to consider keeping. Clamps, FF jigs, parallel guides, etc. are all devices to keep your hands away from the blade on a slider, but i routinely rip lumber using the rip fence and that is no different than the same operation on a cabinet saw.?
Patrick
One big reason for buying Felder is this group.....the guys in this community here are unbelievably?helpful. Had a quick look for an Altendorf?community......it took me to the FOG k 700 s is a great saw.
For me, purchasing a slider was, and remains, more about safety, precision, and ease-of-use... relative to a cabinet saw.
I rarely work with sheet goods. However, my K700S remains the center of my woodworking via keeping me away from the line-of-cut, and its ability to dial-in hairline adjustments, achieve dead-on miters, and safely process 8/4+ materials.?
I find the K700S to be an excellent value, relative to the higher-quality, more electronically-capable versions.
That said, it is an investment, and you need to use it. I've abused mine for several years now, and it's as accurate as the day delivered.
Welcome to the Forum.
On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 09:42:40 AM EST, imranindiana < imranindiana@...> wrote:
I am sorry but I also wanted to thank you for your service and happy retirement ? ? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday.? I¡¯ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S.? I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring.? I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking.? I currently have a saw stop.? I¡¯ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S.? I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
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Mike D.
Annapolis, MD
AD951; K700S; N4400
--
Kindest Regards
Jonathan Samways
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Re: Lamello Cantex for sale $2000
Wade,
Lamello Cantex was discontinued in 2018, it appears that Lamello did not sell this specialty tool a lot. It is a great tool for sure, just like other tools made by Lamello. Clearly Lamello is doing well selling Zeta P2 and its connectors.
Believe it or not, it was cheaper buying Cantex in Canada than in the USA before. It was CAD$ 1850 in 2015, I almost pulled the trigger to buy it.
There are alternative ways of trimming the hardwood edge banding. You can modify Festool MFK like Paul Marcel did?. Using this router bit?, you can trim up to 25mm wide edge banding. Of course, you do not want to remove like 5mm thick material using the router bit, but 1 or 2 mm should be just fine.
James
Hi Joe Jensen,
Looks to be a nice tool to have for hardwood edge-banding.? Have you ever tested with melamine too?? Which model do you have?? Did a quick research, but can¡¯t find anyone who has them.
Thx,
Wade
On Feb 1, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Joe Jensen <joe@...> wrote:
? I put hardwood edges on all panels that I veneer and any veneered plywood. The Cantex is awesome.? On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:12?AM, Jack Decker via <vernaculardesign=[email protected]> wrote:
?As an owner of both the virutex and cantex, the adjustment mechanism on the cantex is superior. If you¡¯ve ever used a top 21 it¡¯s the same idea. The virutex is a guess and check.?
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Re: Lamello Cantex for sale $2000
Hi Joe Jensen,
Looks to be a nice tool to have for hardwood edge-banding. ?Have you ever tested with melamine too? ?Which model do you have? ?Did a quick research, but can¡¯t find anyone who has them.
Thx,
Wade
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Joe Jensen <joe@...> wrote:
? I put hardwood edges on all panels that I veneer and any veneered plywood. The Cantex is awesome.? On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:12?AM, Jack Decker via groups.io <vernaculardesign@...> wrote:
?As an owner of both the virutex and cantex, the adjustment mechanism on the cantex is superior. If you¡¯ve ever used a top 21 it¡¯s the same idea. The virutex is a guess and check.?
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Re: Valchromat for cabinet construction
I used dominos. If we could get a distributor in the Austin area I'd use it far more.
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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
One big reason for buying Felder is this group.....the guys in this community here are unbelievably?helpful. Had a quick look for an Altendorf?community......it took me to the FOG k 700 s is a great saw.
For me, purchasing a slider was, and remains, more about safety, precision, and ease-of-use... relative to a cabinet saw.
I rarely work with sheet goods. However, my K700S remains the center of my woodworking via keeping me away from the line-of-cut, and its ability to dial-in hairline adjustments, achieve dead-on miters, and safely process 8/4+ materials.?
I find the K700S to be an excellent value, relative to the higher-quality, more electronically-capable versions.
That said, it is an investment, and you need to use it. I've abused mine for several years now, and it's as accurate as the day delivered.
Welcome to the Forum.
On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 09:42:40 AM EST, imranindiana < imranindiana@...> wrote:
I am sorry but I also wanted to thank you for your service and happy retirement ? ? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday.? I¡¯ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S.? I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring.? I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking.? I currently have a saw stop.? I¡¯ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S.? I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
--
Mike D.
Annapolis, MD
AD951; K700S; N4400
-- Kindest Regards
Jonathan Samways
Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener informaci¨®n privilegiada o confidencial. Si no es vd.el destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la utilizaci¨®n, divulgaci¨®n y/o copia sin autorizaci¨®n est¨¢ prohibida en virtud de la legislaci¨®n vigente. Si ha recibido este mensaje por error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma v¨ªa y proceda a su destrucci¨®n. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by professional privilege.If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If this message has been received in error, please immediately notify us via e-mail and delete it.
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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
For me, purchasing a slider was, and remains, more about safety, precision, and ease-of-use... relative to a cabinet saw.
I rarely work with sheet goods. However, my K700S remains the center of my woodworking via keeping me away from the line-of-cut, and its ability to dial-in hairline adjustments, achieve dead-on miters, and safely process 8/4+ materials.?
I find the K700S to be an excellent value, relative to the higher-quality, more electronically-capable versions.
That said, it is an investment, and you need to use it. I've abused mine for several years now, and it's as accurate as the day delivered.
Welcome to the Forum.
On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 09:42:40 AM EST, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
I am sorry but I also wanted to thank you for your service and happy retirement ?
On Feb 1, 2024, at 9:02?AM, jcorrado72@... wrote: ? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday. ?I¡¯ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S. ?I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring. ?I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking. ?I currently have a saw stop. ?I¡¯ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S. ?I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
-- Mike D. Annapolis, MD AD951; K700S; N4400
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Re: Lamello Cantex for sale $2000
I put hardwood edges on all panels that I veneer and any veneered plywood. The Cantex is awesome.?
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:12?AM, Jack Decker via groups.io <vernaculardesign@...> wrote:
?As an owner of both the virutex and cantex, the adjustment mechanism on the cantex is superior. If you¡¯ve ever used a top 21 it¡¯s the same idea. The virutex is a guess and check.?
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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
Not sure where you are located, but there are a bunch of used machine out there right now!
PK
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Re: Valchromat for cabinet construction
Use confirmat screws Jack Decker
Vernacular Design
518 567 2051
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 12:03?PM, Andy <andy.raynor08@...> wrote:
? Nice!? What types of joinery do you typically use on it?? I assume it glues up like MDF. I was going to do an office with it and Lamello tenso p14 connectors for the carcasses. ?
Shipping costs for it is totally insane. I¡¯ve gotten outrageous quotes but there is a distributor nearby where I can pick up.? On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 11:26?AM Chris Stahl < accounts@...> wrote: I used small quantities of Valchormat. I love the stuff. It's extremely durable and can be used for carcasses. It can used for so many projects. Issue here in the US, crazy expensive. I'd have to buy a truck load of Valchomat to bring the price down, but then the shipping is insane. I'd use it for everything if I could get it cheaper.
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Re: Valchromat for cabinet construction
Nice!? What types of joinery do you typically use on it?? I assume it glues up like MDF. I was going to do an office with it and Lamello tenso p14 connectors for the carcasses. ?
Shipping costs for it is totally insane. I¡¯ve gotten outrageous quotes but there is a distributor nearby where I can pick up.?
On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 11:26?AM Chris Stahl < accounts@...> wrote: I used small quantities of Valchormat. I love the stuff. It's extremely durable and can be used for carcasses. It can used for so many projects. Issue here in the US, crazy expensive. I'd have to buy a truck load of Valchomat to bring the price down, but then the shipping is insane. I'd use it for everything if I could get it cheaper.
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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
Imran,
As you know, I ordered a replacement 4HP motor with both start and run capacitors for my FB510 bandsaw in Oct 2023.
The start capacitor is 109.08 CAD (about 82 USD), the run capacitor is 64.94 CAD (about 49 USD).
Yes, the same rating capacitor is about the half price or less in the marketplace.
James
Wade,
Just to be clear, the smoothing DC capacitor you are referencing is present in both single and 3 ph machines as long as you have motorized raise/fall of blade.
Aaron is speaking of higher voltage AC start/run capacitors that are only present in single phase machine and a consideration in deciding whether to go with single or 3 phase motors.
Having said that, despite the capacitance and voltage difference the start/run caps are likely very close to the price you quoted when bought from Felder. They are less than half of that in the marketplace. ? Hi Aaron,
Current capacitor cost for rise and fall of blade on a K700S, to Milton WA $84.94 shipped. ?
Thx,
Wade
On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:42?AM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
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I came from a Powermatic cabinet saw over 20 years and now have the same K700S machine.? I am very happy that I moved to a full size slider.? There are many things that I can do so much easier now with the slider!! That being said, specifications say the WA80 weighs in at 1000+ kg.? That translates to 2200 lbs.? It is a much heavier built saw than the K700S, which averages around 1600 lbs.? The frame and base cabinet metal will likely resist flex better and the machine may feel more "solid" when working with it.? I would say the WA80 is more in line with the Felder K945S or even the Format4 machines (which average 1950-2100 lbs).?? The lower end Altendorf WA8 or F25 saws are likely more equal to the K700S machine. The WA80 is minimum 7.5HP which most likely means it is a 3-phase power machine.? Do you have 3-phase power in your shop?? If you are running a Sawstop, I suspect that you only have 240V single phase A/C power.? The 3-phase machines are always recommended and run smoother and quieter, but it is definitely a considerable expense.? In my situation, I ended up with single phase because converting my shop to 3-phase power would be almost as much as the K700S cost itself.?? The downsides of single phase is motor noise/smoothness and having to deal with replacing the motor start/run capacitors.? On the Felder single phase machines, you need to hold down the power button until the motor has spun up to full speed.? Otherwise, you risk burning out the capacitors early (like within a year or less).? Overall, replacing capacitors is likely a 100-200 dollar expense.? A 3 phase setup can cost 3-10 thousand or more depending on how you do it and if you are doing a full electrician/permit install.?? If you are not doing 3-phase, then the Felder K700S is a very nice saw. Getting the saw to your location in Michigan safely is going to be another expense.? I would likely suggest having Felder ship the product via freight from their New Castle, DE location to a freight terminal in Michigan local.? Then arrange for a local rigging company to transport it to your shop (fully insured) using flatbed and forklift.? These are not machines you can ship with a lift-gate truck.? Alternatively, you can rent a drop-deck trailer and transport it yourself, but be aware of insurance coverage.? Many consumer auto insurance companies will not insure this type of transport.? I would figure a couple thousand dollars (or possibly more) extra for safe shipping to your location. Getting the machine setup and aligned by Felder is likely a $2k cost.? You can do it yourself (I did).? It requires a $500-800 investment in calibration and measurement tools.? It's a great way to get to know your machine. If I have 3-phase power and a budget of around $30-35k, I might choose the Felder K945S over the Altendorf because Felder have added a bunch of features to the new K945S that are really nice.? Also, it's the lowest cost point where you could also get the PCS protection system.? But that's me.? The Altendorf looks to be a very well engineered machine with excellent build quality. After working with the K700S for over a year, I don't regret my purchase at all.?? Based on my experience and everything I've read, the Felder saws are actually pretty good.? I've compared using both the Felder and Minimax sliding table saws and I think the Felder are nicer.? However, once you get into jointer/planer choices, the Felder products do have their problems. -Aaron
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