Re: Which wax paper to order?
Thanks guys, this is all great info.?
Mark, no rush from my end, but yes I'd be interested to hear which version of wax paper you're using.?
Brett, good feedback and much appreciated. I agree that in certain applications a sheet of 1/8" hardboard would absolutely be appropriate. Storing 4x8 sheets is a bit problematic in my small shop, but I can see a scenario where I'd cut up a sheet into three pieces, then tape the joints together so it's a folding assembly, might come in handy. I had a look at silicone mats and, like you suggested, they're not an inexpensive option. That being said, it may be a nice option to look at long term....
John, thanks for the thought on the Mylar.?
Rainger, thanks for the thought on the freezer paper. I had considered what I'd call "butcher paper", this sounds similar.?
Years ago a general contractor friend and I received a mis-order of a goofy size of Tyvek house wrap. Normal Tyvek rolls are 9' long, and I think these were 10'. We tried returning them to the lumber yard but they didn't have a record of them, so we ended up with thousands of dollars of goofy sized Tyvek rolls for free, and really enjoyed using them over the following years for a variety of purposes, everything from floor protection (underneath 1/8" hardboard) to table protection to transportation protection. I finally burned up the last roll this past summer, thus the hunt for a suitable replacement. I appreciate the feedback you guys have provided, it gives me some good ideas and guidance going forward.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Which wax paper to order?
Tom for nice top for layout table and work top I use tempered Masonite 1/4” 4x8 it last for decades, glue pops off, strong holds up great. When you wear out one side flip it over. ?Drill into it as backer pound on it when you have to. I have heavy craft paper 3’ rolls and recycled card board for painting and dirty stuff, I do have 2” wide rolls of wax paper white probably butcher paper for glue ups and ?I use painters tape for protection. Mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Dec 30, 2021, at 8:29 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? Been there, tried it. The best wax paper is whatever is on sale and a great barrier and use it frequently but never had good luck protecting table tops. Instead I recommend using 1/8" hardboard, 1/8" or 3mm or 5mm flooring underlayment, or corrugated cardboard. The board products have strength, cushion, and abrasion resistance and generally will stay put. I always tore any kind of paper product in normal sliding and tool shuffling.?
If you want to go superstar for glueup pads, silicone mats are reusable and indestructible, but often not easy to find in sizes to fit certain tops. Last ones I bought it took 2 to cover the full surface of a festool mft/3 table.
Otherwise I've found regular cheapo kraft paper is great for everything not prone to tearing, with white paper masking tape as a supplement in critical zones or stitching pieces together. Shooting a little bit of aerosol shellac or lacquer does wonders also in places you think moisture might overcome the fibers or reusing the same spots and popping dried glue off. On Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 7:15 PM < tom@...> wrote: Alright, here's a potentially strange question: Are there any strong opinions or sage insights regarding wax paper?
My intended use would include the following:
-- Protecting the top of my FAT500S when performing glue-ups and epoxy work
-- Protecting the top of my FAT500S when performing painting/finishing tasks
-- Placing in between project parts that are ostensibly "dry", but perhaps still somewhat "green" and not fully cured
-- Wrapping flat objects for transport (cabinet doors, storm doors, storm windows, etc...)
The top on the FAT500S is ~46" x 82", so my sense would be to order a 48" wide roll. I'm trying to not be precious about the top, but I'd also like to avoid spending time sanding/scraping glue/epoxy and finish/paint drips off the surface.?
Going to the usual suspects, Uline and McMaster-Carr both offer waxed paper rolls.
? ? ?-- The Uline product is listed as 30lb Kraft paper with a wax coating on both sides, bringing it to a total 43lb weight. The product is only available in 1500 ft rolls that weigh 225 lbs (oof!)??
? ? ?-- McMaster-Carr offers the waxed paper in much more manageable 500 ft rolls, in two flavors:??
? ? ? ? ? -- "Wax-Coated", ?4.5 mil, $125 for a 500 ft roll. Listed as potentially leaving a wax residue on objects it touches.?
? ? ? ? ? -- "Wax-Embedded", 3.5 mil, $110 for a 500 ft roll. Listed as not leaving a wax residue on surfaces it would touch.?
My sense is to go with the "Wax Coated" 500 ft roll from McMcaster-Carr, but I'm terribly curious to hear if there are any strong opinions out there relating to wax paper, or if there are alternative products I should consider (butcher paper?). Any input would be appreciated.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Digital Rip Fence mod on K500
Hi Bill:
I did the YT video that is floating around. ?
I just made the bracket with a bit of copper, a vise, a blunt force tool (hammer), and a grinder…not the prettiest but all you need is functionality. ?I did a couple of “prototypes” before I achieved acceptable,
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On Dec 30, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Bill James via < xxrb2010@...> wrote:
Agree this is also a solution,
This bracket is definitively not a standard or easy part with the tools I have. Way beyond what I can produce.
Bill
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Well I had the distinct pleasure to visit Michael at his amazing shop West Oak Studios.? Had some great conversations with Michael and picked up a CHD from him. He has made some nice improvements to it via his CNC skills.?? It took all of 10 minutes to put it together and I hope to use it this weekend! PK PKwoodworking 
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How much and where are you located? How long is the slider? Is it dado capable, 3 phase or single etc.??
Jarrett Maxwell?
Geometric Innovations LLC? ? Instagram: geometric_innovations?
I'm trying to sell my KF 700 saw shaper combo machine purchased in March of 2017. Motorized digital height and angle adjustments. Scoring blade and numerous other optional features.
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Re: Which wax paper to order?
I've been very happy with the 48" roll of freezer paper from Uline, ( Freezer Paper Roll - 48" x 1,100' S-15678 - Uline ) it has a polyethylene coating on one side instead of wax. It's very non-stick and water/finish resistant, and no risk of contaminating any finish with wax. It's also more durable than wax paper, we often reuse it until it's too dirty and then use it on the floor under glue-ups/finishing.
Rainger Pinney
860.798.3393
Whelp, at work I bought some of the McMaster wax paper for 3d prints that we dipped in a tub of Cyanoacrylate to seal them, we would dip them then rest them on ply plates with screws on top of the paper to keep it from dripping on everything.?
Not sure which version I bought but can check when I am back at work next week, so doesn’t help you now but can tell you that it would be more than adequate for your use. I wouldn’t buy anything from uline…
I have been using builders paper mostly because I got it at the thrift store for a $1, it’s cheap and works good enough for the glue drips
On Dec 30, 2021, at 8:15 PM, tom@... wrote:
?Alright, here's a potentially strange question: Are there any strong opinions or sage insights regarding wax paper?
My intended use would include the following:
-- Protecting the top of my FAT500S when performing glue-ups and epoxy work
-- Protecting the top of my FAT500S when performing painting/finishing tasks
-- Placing in between project parts that are ostensibly "dry", but perhaps still somewhat "green" and not fully cured
-- Wrapping flat objects for transport (cabinet doors, storm doors, storm windows, etc...)
The top on the FAT500S is ~46" x 82", so my sense would be to order a 48" wide roll. I'm trying to not be precious about the top, but I'd also like to avoid spending time sanding/scraping glue/epoxy and finish/paint drips off the surface.?
Going to the usual suspects, Uline and McMaster-Carr both offer waxed paper rolls.
? ? ?-- The Uline product is listed as 30lb Kraft paper with a wax coating on both sides, bringing it to a total 43lb weight. The product is only available in 1500 ft rolls that weigh 225 lbs (oof!)??
? ? ?-- McMaster-Carr offers the waxed paper in much more manageable 500 ft rolls, in two flavors:??
? ? ? ? ? -- "Wax-Coated", ?4.5 mil, $125 for a 500 ft roll. Listed as potentially leaving a wax residue on objects it touches.?
? ? ? ? ? -- "Wax-Embedded", 3.5 mil, $110 for a 500 ft roll. Listed as not leaving a wax residue on surfaces it would touch.?
My sense is to go with the "Wax Coated" 500 ft roll from McMcaster-Carr, but I'm terribly curious to hear if there are any strong opinions out there relating to wax paper, or if there are alternative products I should consider (butcher paper?). Any input would be appreciated.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Which wax paper to order?
I use Mylar drafting film. It is durable, waterproof, and lays flat on a bench or table.
I’ve no idea where to get it or what it costs, as after decades as an engineer I have a lot of leftover material.?
It is available in big rolls for plotters.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Not a Felder Owner yet - expecting K700S in February and A941 in April 2022
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Re: Which wax paper to order?
Been there, tried it. The best wax paper is whatever is on sale and a great barrier and use it frequently but never had good luck protecting table tops. Instead I recommend using 1/8" hardboard, 1/8" or 3mm or 5mm flooring underlayment, or corrugated cardboard. The board products have strength, cushion, and abrasion resistance and generally will stay put. I always tore any kind of paper product in normal sliding and tool shuffling.?
If you want to go superstar for glueup pads, silicone mats are reusable and indestructible, but often not easy to find in sizes to fit certain tops. Last ones I bought it took 2 to cover the full surface of a festool mft/3 table.
Otherwise I've found regular cheapo kraft paper is great for everything not prone to tearing, with white paper masking tape as a supplement in critical zones or stitching pieces together. Shooting a little bit of aerosol shellac or lacquer does wonders also in places you think moisture might overcome the fibers or reusing the same spots and popping dried glue off.
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 7:15 PM < tom@...> wrote: Alright, here's a potentially strange question: Are there any strong opinions or sage insights regarding wax paper?
My intended use would include the following:
-- Protecting the top of my FAT500S when performing glue-ups and epoxy work
-- Protecting the top of my FAT500S when performing painting/finishing tasks
-- Placing in between project parts that are ostensibly "dry", but perhaps still somewhat "green" and not fully cured
-- Wrapping flat objects for transport (cabinet doors, storm doors, storm windows, etc...)
The top on the FAT500S is ~46" x 82", so my sense would be to order a 48" wide roll. I'm trying to not be precious about the top, but I'd also like to avoid spending time sanding/scraping glue/epoxy and finish/paint drips off the surface.?
Going to the usual suspects, Uline and McMaster-Carr both offer waxed paper rolls.
? ? ?-- The Uline product is listed as 30lb Kraft paper with a wax coating on both sides, bringing it to a total 43lb weight. The product is only available in 1500 ft rolls that weigh 225 lbs (oof!)??
? ? ?-- McMaster-Carr offers the waxed paper in much more manageable 500 ft rolls, in two flavors:??
? ? ? ? ? -- "Wax-Coated", ?4.5 mil, $125 for a 500 ft roll. Listed as potentially leaving a wax residue on objects it touches.?
? ? ? ? ? -- "Wax-Embedded", 3.5 mil, $110 for a 500 ft roll. Listed as not leaving a wax residue on surfaces it would touch.?
My sense is to go with the "Wax Coated" 500 ft roll from McMcaster-Carr, but I'm terribly curious to hear if there are any strong opinions out there relating to wax paper, or if there are alternative products I should consider (butcher paper?). Any input would be appreciated.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Digital Rip Fence mod on K500
Agree this is also a solution,
This bracket is definitively not a standard or easy part with the tools I have. Way beyond what I can produce.
Bill
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Happy to do that Glen...
Bill B
Bill B. Very cool, Might you be will to make some extras, I would be interested and will to pay for them and shipping ect? Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 5:34 PM Bill Belanger < Bill@...> wrote: Small adjustments needed. I’ll make them then print another and upload it as another file. David’s machine may be a little different than mine. Post fit very snuggly Bill Belanger On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 17:29 Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Let us know how it all works out… all the dimensions were off of David’s sketch. I don’t know if the extrusions vary and the distance to the blade is consistent.
On Dec 30, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Bill Belanger < Bill@...> wrote:
Thanks Brian, that notched version is exactly what I needed. Thanks!
BB
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 1:08 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Bill, I created a notched version and loaded it on the website. See if that works for you.
On Dec 30, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Bill Bélanger < Bllblngr@...> wrote:
In looking at the 3D files, I find a DRO version of a fence attachment. I'm trying to redesign it to fit my Kappa 400 fence, but maybe someone else has already done this?
The post is on the wrong side for me, it should be on the left with the angle facing me. Is there another file that allows the block to go under the dust hood?
Don't need to reinvent the wheel...
Thanks
Bill Bélanger
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Bill B. Very cool, Might you be will to make some extras, I would be interested and will to pay for them and shipping ect? Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 5:34 PM Bill Belanger < Bill@...> wrote: Small adjustments needed. I’ll make them then print another and upload it as another file. David’s machine may be a little different than mine. Post fit very snuggly Bill Belanger On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 17:29 Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Let us know how it all works out… all the dimensions were off of David’s sketch. I don’t know if the extrusions vary and the distance to the blade is consistent.
On Dec 30, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Bill Belanger < Bill@...> wrote:
Thanks Brian, that notched version is exactly what I needed. Thanks!
BB
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 1:08 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Bill, I created a notched version and loaded it on the website. See if that works for you.
On Dec 30, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Bill Bélanger < Bllblngr@...> wrote:
In looking at the 3D files, I find a DRO version of a fence attachment. I'm trying to redesign it to fit my Kappa 400 fence, but maybe someone else has already done this?
The post is on the wrong side for me, it should be on the left with the angle facing me. Is there another file that allows the block to go under the dust hood?
Don't need to reinvent the wheel...
Thanks
Bill Bélanger
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Re: Which wax paper to order?
Whelp, at work I bought some of the McMaster wax paper for 3d prints that we dipped in a tub of Cyanoacrylate to seal them, we would dip them then rest them on ply plates with screws on top of the paper to keep it from dripping on everything.?
Not sure which version I bought but can check when I am back at work next week, so doesn’t help you now but can tell you that it would be more than adequate for your use. I wouldn’t buy anything from uline…
I have been using builders paper mostly because I got it at the thrift store for a $1, it’s cheap and works good enough for the glue drips
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On Dec 30, 2021, at 8:15 PM, tom@... wrote:
?Alright, here's a potentially strange question: Are there any strong opinions or sage insights regarding wax paper?
My intended use would include the following:
-- Protecting the top of my FAT500S when performing glue-ups and epoxy work
-- Protecting the top of my FAT500S when performing painting/finishing tasks
-- Placing in between project parts that are ostensibly "dry", but perhaps still somewhat "green" and not fully cured
-- Wrapping flat objects for transport (cabinet doors, storm doors, storm windows, etc...)
The top on the FAT500S is ~46" x 82", so my sense would be to order a 48" wide roll. I'm trying to not be precious about the top, but I'd also like to avoid spending time sanding/scraping glue/epoxy and finish/paint drips off the surface.?
Going to the usual suspects, Uline and McMaster-Carr both offer waxed paper rolls.
? ? ?-- The Uline product is listed as 30lb Kraft paper with a wax coating on both sides, bringing it to a total 43lb weight. The product is only available in 1500 ft rolls that weigh 225 lbs (oof!)??
? ? ?-- McMaster-Carr offers the waxed paper in much more manageable 500 ft rolls, in two flavors:??
? ? ? ? ? -- "Wax-Coated", ?4.5 mil, $125 for a 500 ft roll. Listed as potentially leaving a wax residue on objects it touches.?
? ? ? ? ? -- "Wax-Embedded", 3.5 mil, $110 for a 500 ft roll. Listed as not leaving a wax residue on surfaces it would touch.?
My sense is to go with the "Wax Coated" 500 ft roll from McMcaster-Carr, but I'm terribly curious to hear if there are any strong opinions out there relating to wax paper, or if there are alternative products I should consider (butcher paper?). Any input would be appreciated.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Small adjustments needed. I’ll make them then print another and upload it as another file. David’s machine may be a little different than mine. Post fit very snuggly Bill Belanger
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 17:29 Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Let us know how it all works out… all the dimensions were off of David’s sketch. I don’t know if the extrusions vary and the distance to the blade is consistent.
On Dec 30, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Bill Belanger < Bill@...> wrote:
Thanks Brian, that notched version is exactly what I needed. Thanks!
BB
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 1:08 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Bill, I created a notched version and loaded it on the website. See if that works for you.
On Dec 30, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Bill Bélanger < Bllblngr@...> wrote:
In looking at the 3D files, I find a DRO version of a fence attachment. I'm trying to redesign it to fit my Kappa 400 fence, but maybe someone else has already done this?
The post is on the wrong side for me, it should be on the left with the angle facing me. Is there another file that allows the block to go under the dust hood?
Don't need to reinvent the wheel...
Thanks
Bill Bélanger
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Re: Replacing drive belt for scoring blade on KF 700
Nevin,
Always good to have a first rate assistant - in the shop as well as in the OR.
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Steve,?
Thanks for the advice. Tilting the saw arbor to 45 degrees improved access. Then I ran the belt over the scoring pully then the spring tensioned pulley below it, then back to the saw arbor & pulley. Still not enough slack, so while I reached thru the saw arbor space and pulled up on the tensioning pulley, my wife reached around the rear of the saw unit and slipped the belt over that pulley. Easy as pie. all I needed was that third hand!
Thanks everyone!
Nevin
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Which wax paper to order?
Alright, here's a potentially strange question: Are there any strong opinions or sage insights regarding wax paper?
My intended use would include the following:
-- Protecting the top of my FAT500S when performing glue-ups and epoxy work
-- Protecting the top of my FAT500S when performing painting/finishing tasks
-- Placing in between project parts that are ostensibly "dry", but perhaps still somewhat "green" and not fully cured
-- Wrapping flat objects for transport (cabinet doors, storm doors, storm windows, etc...)
The top on the FAT500S is ~46" x 82", so my sense would be to order a 48" wide roll. I'm trying to not be precious about the top, but I'd also like to avoid spending time sanding/scraping glue/epoxy and finish/paint drips off the surface.?
Going to the usual suspects, Uline and McMaster-Carr both offer waxed paper rolls.
? ? ?-- The Uline product is listed as 30lb Kraft paper with a wax coating on both sides, bringing it to a total 43lb weight. The product is only available in 1500 ft rolls that weigh 225 lbs (oof!)??
? ? ?-- McMaster-Carr offers the waxed paper in much more manageable 500 ft rolls, in two flavors:??
? ? ? ? ? -- "Wax-Coated", ?4.5 mil, $125 for a 500 ft roll. Listed as potentially leaving a wax residue on objects it touches.?
? ? ? ? ? -- "Wax-Embedded", 3.5 mil, $110 for a 500 ft roll. Listed as not leaving a wax residue on surfaces it would touch.?
My sense is to go with the "Wax Coated" 500 ft roll from McMcaster-Carr, but I'm terribly curious to hear if there are any strong opinions out there relating to wax paper, or if there are alternative products I should consider (butcher paper?). Any input would be appreciated.?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Replacing drive belt for scoring blade on KF 700
Steve,?
Thanks for the advice. Tilting the saw arbor to 45 degrees improved access. Then I ran the belt over the scoring pully then the spring tensioned pulley below it, then back to the saw arbor & pulley. Still not enough slack, so while I reached thru the saw arbor space and pulled up on the tensioning pulley, my wife reached around the rear of the saw unit and slipped the belt over that pulley. Easy as pie. all I needed was that third hand!
Thanks everyone!
Nevin
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Re: Digital Rip Fence mod on K500
Looks like plenty of room to me, you nestle the read head into the pocket inside the casting. It might take a bit of playing about to come up with a bracket, but looks plenty doable to me.
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On Dec 30, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Bill James via < xxrb2010@...> wrote:
Here are some pictures:
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Thanks,
Bill
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I'm trying to sell my KF 700 saw shaper combo machine purchased in March of 2017. Motorized digital height and angle adjustments. Scoring blade and numerous other optional features.
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Let us know how it all works out… all the dimensions were off of David’s sketch. I don’t know if the extrusions vary and the distance to the blade is consistent.
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On Dec 30, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Bill Belanger < Bill@...> wrote:
Thanks Brian, that notched version is exactly what I needed. Thanks!
BB
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 1:08 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Bill, I created a notched version and loaded it on the website. See if that works for you.
On Dec 30, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Bill Bélanger < Bllblngr@...> wrote:
In looking at the 3D files, I find a DRO version of a fence attachment. I'm trying to redesign it to fit my Kappa 400 fence, but maybe someone else has already done this?
The post is on the wrong side for me, it should be on the left with the angle facing me. Is there another file that allows the block to go under the dust hood?
Don't need to reinvent the wheel...
Thanks
Bill Bélanger
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Re: Anyone know where I can get a hold of Gary M Katz DVD or books?
Gary publishes some of his materials at
You may find what you're looking for there in digital format.
On 12/30/2021 3:36 PM, Finners wrote:
Cheers Lance. I’m in Europe so was hoping for a digital download
or ebook but I think I may need to bite the bullet and pay the
fees
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Michael Garrison Stuber
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Tom Gensmer
PK
Bill Belanger