Re: Mortising attachment for jointer/planer #jointerplaner

#117907

I use my TP too often the mortising unit is simply going backwards. I had it on my previous combi machine. I bought a set of bit, used it once, and never used again.?

if you do a lot of mortising, get a proper mortiser...?

Re: Mortising attachment for jointer/planer #jointerplaner

#117906

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Another FOG member emailed me last week asking my opinion of the Multi-Router. ?We’ve discussed this a few times here on FOG in the past, but I thought I would share with the group my feedback to this FOG member.

Had Woodpecker not taken over MR production, I’’m not sure if I would be terribly bullish about buying a new one or recommending the machine to others. ? Not because I have any reservations about it’s capabilities, but because it was destined to become an orphan product without new management. ?I have tremendous confidence in Woodpecker and know the owner personally and have worked with them on some custom products in the past. ?I was glad to see them purchase the rights to the MR, take over production and clean up a couple of rough edges. ?Now that it’s in their hands, I don’t have any reservations recommending it provided you go into the decision with your eyes wide open. ??

I should also add that I have had a few dialogs with the Woodpecker project manager of the past few months, actually got two other FOG members (Bob Johnson and Jason Holtz) involved in the dialog to brainstorm ideas about future improvements. ? Woodpeckers is making some improvements to the existing design, and fantasizing about some spiffy upgrades longer term. ?I could fill you in on the feedback we’ve given, but I don’t know specifics about when or what Woodpecker plans to implement - just that they are planning to take the concept further.

The PantoRouter is IMO a toy in comparison to the MR. ? That’s about all I have to say about that machine.

I love the MR. ?It’s biggest shortcoming is the lack of integrated dust extraction that’s truly effective. ?The current models certainly are an improvement and I don’t have experience with them. ?Setup for things like a bridle joint, mortise/tenon joints, box joints, etc. ?is easy if you use their optional template system. ?Without the template system, things like box joints, and anything involving compound angles can be pretty tricky for a one-off, but once it’s set up, you can churn out a set of chairs (as an example) in a couple hours. ? I think the current video on the Woodpecker site speaks pretty clearly to the facility - so if you haven’t watched this, then I recommend you do so: ?

The other limitation of the MR is the size of the table that you mount stock on for machining. ?It’s fine for things like chairs or a small workbench with complex joinery, but if you’re planning to do dowel or domino boring for massive door stile/rails or large window frames, the table isn’t sized for that kind of work. ? It is possible to add short extension tables to the MR if you don’t mind adding F-rails, but since the stock is clamped to the table, and the table moves in the X- and Y-axis, the extension table must be self-supporting (meaning no leg going to the floor). ?With the addition of a 3-axis DRO, complex compound joint setup is much more straight forward provided you have the shop drawings to know the setup requirement.

David Best

https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/

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On Aug 10, 2021, at 2:36 PM, habacomike via <habacomike@...> wrote:

I have the mortising table and cart as well for my CF741. ?It works ok, but there are a number of things I would change if I was going to use it more extensively. ?I’d drill indexing holes in the top, tap some to allow using other items, such as a table top, etc.

I recently had the opportunity to use a JDS Multi Router at Anderson Ranch. ?While it doesn’t have the capacity to handle long stock as well as the mortising table, it beats it in almost every other way. ?It has true 3 axis use, and the table tips. ?Frankly, I think it beats everything else out there, including the Pantorouter.

Mike

On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:04 AM, Jonathan Smith <jonathan.smith@...> wrote:

I have a CF 741 and a mortising attachment.? It works well on doors, windows, and furniture size projects.? The finish is good.? It is quick to set up wit? locating boss and 2 eccentric clamps.? The mortises are very accurate and repeatable.? Dust collection not so much.? My machine runs the spindle in the direction that allows right hand tools.? I just use end mills which are import, high speed steel and fairly inexpensive.? I have a hobby shop so use it infrequently.? There are larger, more expensive, dedicated machines for production shops.??

My mortiser is mounted on a cart and takes less than 5 minutes to set up including dust hose.? I roll it into a corner when not in use.? I have an extra, new in the box carriage that I would sell cheap if you are interested.

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Re: Mortising attachment for jointer/planer #jointerplaner

#117905

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I have the mortising table and cart as well for my CF741. ?It works ok, but there are a number of things I would change if I was going to use it more extensively. ?I’d drill indexing holes in the top, tap some to allow using other items, such as a table top, etc.

I recently had the opportunity to use a JDS Multi Router at Anderson Ranch. ?While it doesn’t have the capacity to handle long stock as well as the mortising table, it beats it in almost every other way. ?It has true 3 axis use, and the table tips. ?Frankly, I think it beats everything else out there, including the Pantorouter.

Mike

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On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:04 AM, Jonathan Smith <jonathan.smith@...> wrote:

I have a CF 741 and a mortising attachment.? It works well on doors, windows, and furniture size projects.? The finish is good.? It is quick to set up wit? locating boss and 2 eccentric clamps.? The mortises are very accurate and repeatable.? Dust collection not so much.? My machine runs the spindle in the direction that allows right hand tools.? I just use end mills which are import, high speed steel and fairly inexpensive.? I have a hobby shop so use it infrequently.? There are larger, more expensive, dedicated machines for production shops.??

My mortiser is mounted on a cart and takes less than 5 minutes to set up including dust hose.? I roll it into a corner when not in use.? I have an extra, new in the box carriage that I would sell cheap if you are interested.

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Re: Mortising attachment for jointer/planer #jointerplaner

#117904

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Hi Johnathan,

I maybe interested in your carriage. Please send/txt a few pick of what it looks like off line. I live in River Falls, WI

Thank you,

Tom Goodman

715-441-six five two six

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On Aug 10, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Jonathan Smith <jonathan.smith@...> wrote:

I have a CF 741 and a mortising attachment.? It works well on doors, windows, and furniture size projects.? The finish is good.? It is quick to set up wit? locating boss and 2 eccentric clamps.? The mortises are very accurate and repeatable.? Dust collection not so much.? My machine runs the spindle in the direction that allows right hand tools.? I just use end mills which are import, high speed steel and fairly inexpensive.? I have a hobby shop so use it infrequently.? There are larger, more expensive, dedicated machines for production shops.??

My mortiser is mounted on a cart and takes less than 5 minutes to set up including dust hose.? I roll it into a corner when not in use.? I have an extra, new in the box carriage that I would sell cheap if you are interested.

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Re: How to determine max shaper cut

Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq.

#117903

depth of cut? is not the factor for bearing overload.? The bearings?
don't care about that.? And when hand feeding you do not possess the
physical strength to overload them.? Repeated impacts are a problem.?
And since you are going slowly? you aren't doing that.

So I'd say? the feed and? depth of cut? issue is really? all about
quality of the milled surface and nothing more.

So long as the motor is not lugging or stalling you should be golden.
Pay attention to motor speed and how much it drops when in the cut

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On 8/7/21 12:24 PM, imranindiana via groups.io wrote:
I did this rebate on 13' long timber at the slowest feed rate. My DC is
barely adequate and it kept up with chips. Shaper ran without slowing down.
But how do I know if I am overloading the arbor/bearings. This is a 51mm
Felder rebate head taking a 1" deep bite on WRC.

Imran

Re: Mortising attachment for jointer/planer #jointerplaner

#117902

I have a CF 741 and a mortising attachment.? It works well on doors, windows, and furniture size projects.? The finish is good.? It is quick to set up wit? locating boss and 2 eccentric clamps.? The mortises are very accurate and repeatable.? Dust collection not so much.? My machine runs the spindle in the direction that allows right hand tools.? I just use end mills which are import, high speed steel and fairly inexpensive.? I have a hobby shop so use it infrequently.? There are larger, more expensive, dedicated machines for production shops.??

My mortiser is mounted on a cart and takes less than 5 minutes to set up including dust hose.? I roll it into a corner when not in use.? I have an extra, new in the box carriage that I would sell cheap if you are interested.

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Re: Mortising attachment for jointer/planer #jointerplaner

#117901

Thanks for your thoughts. I too have a domino and love using it, especially the dust collection! For making doors, mortising longer pieces could really be a problem!

Re: Mortising attachment for jointer/planer #jointerplaner

#117900

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I looked at this when I bought my Hammer J/P.?

I also have a Powermatic 719T mortise and tenon machine.

I decided to pull the trigger on a metal PantoRouter. This is by far the easiest to use as it’s one tool that makes both the mortise and tenons and has the ability to sneak up on the tenon thickness for an excellent fit.

Chris Edwards

caedwards874@...

(407) 902-1358 cell

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On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:17 AM, Trevor Lusty <trevlusty@...> wrote:

I bought one for my C3 31. Best quality left hand drill bits are crucial for a good finish, the Hammer range were poor. Dust collection is average at best. Conversion is straightforward. If I were going to use it a lot a would invest into mountable trolley for taking it off and storing. Trying to secure longer pieces especially if heavy on the mortising table in very difficult and therefore can badly effect the finish. Since I bought a Festool Domino I have never used it.Had I known what I know now I would never have bought it, the Domino outperforms ?the mortiser ?in all of my needs.

Trevor Lusty
Ireland

Re: Auto Filter Cleaning Question

#117899

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???Tom,

Agree. What you shared earlier states that cleaning is scheduled after 1/2 hr of use (one shot or accumulated) or when the watning light turns on but only when machine is off.

I am interested in seeing how Felder has implemented the cylinder, assuming it is internal to the collector.

Imran

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On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:47 AM, tom@... wrote:

?I am interested to see how well this process works. In consultations with David B, who has rigged up his own pneumatic mechanism on his RL160, he has found that so long as he actuates the mechanism every 15 minutes or so the RL160 can keep up with his 16" North State sander. I have a nearly identical setup to David's (Phase Perfect 10hp converter, RL160, North State sander, similar stable of Felder machines but not Format4), so I'm confident that the automated actuation will handle my one-person shop just fine.?

Upon closer reading of the manual, it appears that the Felder automated system has a couple different criteria for triggering the filter cleaning cycle (length of time the machine has been running, if it thinks the filters are clogged, etc....), but in all of the scenarios it is my impression that the cleaning cycle does not engage until the machine is turned off. Again, for my small-production shop this shouldn't be a problem since I'm regularly turning my collector on/off (I ordered the 3-phase motor for this reason), but I'm realizing I'll want to keep an eye on the yellow warning light if/when I'm sanding or performing serial production tasks that produce large volumes of fine dust, in case I need to turn off the machine to allow it to perform the cleaning cycle.?

Really looking forward to getting my RL160, as I'm getting rather weary of constantly emptying the bin on my Oneida Mini Gorilla....?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN

Re: Mortising attachment for jointer/planer #jointerplaner

#117898

I bought one for my C3 31. Best quality left hand drill bits are crucial for a good finish, the Hammer range were poor. Dust collection is average at best. Conversion is straightforward. If I were going to use it a lot a would invest into mountable trolley for taking it off and storing. Trying to secure longer pieces especially if heavy on the mortising table in very difficult and therefore can badly effect the finish. Since I bought a Festool Domino I have never used it.Had I known what I know now I would never have bought it, the Domino outperforms ?the mortiser ?in all of my needs.

Trevor Lusty
Ireland

Re: Ground Wire on Single Phase machine #ground #electrical

#117897

Hmm…. I should just skip the Felder manual and go straight there.  Even more learning...

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On Aug 9, 2021, at 6:36 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:

It’s in the Survival Guide.  LOL

David Best - via mobile phone 

On Aug 9, 2021, at 11:24 AM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:

?So, I decided to rewire my shop (my wife refers to it as the garage) to add several 220 circuits and a couple of 120.  In so doing, I rewired the plug on my CF741.  I couldn’t get it to run even though I also replaced the capacitors that seem to have failed at the same time.  

I called Felder tech support and they were puzzling it out as well.  The technician (Ron) suggested that I check the voltage across L1 and L2 while he pondered, did some research, and went to lunch.   After searching a bit, I found a L1 and L2 on a PCB (I presume the brake board) and measured — 120?  I took the cover off of the newly wired receptacle and measured:  250.  It made no sense to me.  So I took the plug apart and looked and tested the connection.  Secure.  Brown wire and yellow with green stripe to hot, green wire to ground.  Still no love.

I went to google and searched for “ground wire color Europe.”  Hmm.  Yellow with green stripe.  So I swapped the green wire for the yellow with green stripe, and now everything seems to work.

Why this isn’t in the manual Is another question.

Mike

Re: Auto Filter Cleaning Question

#117896

I am interested to see how well this process works. In consultations with David B, who has rigged up his own pneumatic mechanism on his RL160, he has found that so long as he actuates the mechanism every 15 minutes or so the RL160 can keep up with his 16" North State sander. I have a nearly identical setup to David's (Phase Perfect 10hp converter, RL160, North State sander, similar stable of Felder machines but not Format4), so I'm confident that the automated actuation will handle my one-person shop just fine.?

Upon closer reading of the manual, it appears that the Felder automated system has a couple different criteria for triggering the filter cleaning cycle (length of time the machine has been running, if it thinks the filters are clogged, etc....), but in all of the scenarios it is my impression that the cleaning cycle does not engage until the machine is turned off. Again, for my small-production shop this shouldn't be a problem since I'm regularly turning my collector on/off (I ordered the 3-phase motor for this reason), but I'm realizing I'll want to keep an eye on the yellow warning light if/when I'm sanding or performing serial production tasks that produce large volumes of fine dust, in case I need to turn off the machine to allow it to perform the cleaning cycle.?

Really looking forward to getting my RL160, as I'm getting rather weary of constantly emptying the bin on my Oneida Mini Gorilla....?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN

Mortising attachment for jointer/planer #jointerplaner

#117895

I’m looking into buying the mortising attachment for my used AD 531. They are pretty pricy but horizontal mortising in my small shop could be a big advantage. Do the users here have much experience with these units? How is dust collection? How much effort is it to convert from planing operations to boring?? Those are my main concerns. Thanks!

Re: Auto Filter Cleaning Question

#117894

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Thanks Bill. If I saw this before, I totally forgot. It should help me with the cylinder connection to the brush tray. As David Best mentioned, A PLC should help automate the process.

Imran

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On Aug 9, 2021, at 11:00 PM, Bill James via groups.io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:

?Here you find a custom version for a RL1xx and even RL200.

More or less, you automate the manual process. I would love to add it to my RL140, but I do not have any time to spend on it, so I use my arm :).

/g/felderownersgroup/files/How%20tos,%20modifications,%20and%20other%20notes/RL-160%20Pneumatic%20Filter%20Sweep%20Modification.pdf

Bill

Re: Ground Wire on Single Phase machine #ground #electrical

#117893

…which is why it’s called that.

Re: Auto Filter Cleaning Question

#117892

Here you find a custom version for a RL1xx and even RL200.

More or less, you automate the manual process. I would love to add it to my RL140, but I do not have any time to spend on it, so I use my arm :).

/g/felderownersgroup/files/How%20tos,%20modifications,%20and%20other%20notes/RL-160%20Pneumatic%20Filter%20Sweep%20Modification.pdf

Bill

Re: Auto Filter Cleaning Question

#117891

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Tom,

Awesome response, exactly what I was after. This all started at AWFS, talking to Jessie. When I explained that my RL125 filter is typically full of chips and dust, he said that it does help if the manual cleaning is done often and longer.

After coming home I filled up the bag accidentally and decided to clean the filter and since have been practicing ?a more robust cleaning cycle. It does seems to help.

So I was curious how the automatic cleaning is implemented by Felder. I plan to automate my brushes with a pneumatic cylinder. Will share details here once done. It might be a little while as this is a side project to fill time.

Imran?

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On Aug 9, 2021, at 9:54 PM, tom@... wrote:

?Hi Imran!?

I ordered my RL 160 with the automated filter cleaning, but it won't arrive until November so I can't speak to the specifics of how the mechanism works, other than it's the manual filter cleaner attached to a pneumatic cylinder and a sensor to automatically engage it. Attached is a screen capture from the manual:?

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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN

Re: Auto Filter Cleaning Question

#117890

Hi Imran!?

I ordered my RL 160 with the automated filter cleaning, but it won't arrive until November so I can't speak to the specifics of how the mechanism works, other than it's the manual filter cleaner attached to a pneumatic cylinder and a sensor to automatically engage it. Attached is a screen capture from the manual:?

--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN

Auto Filter Cleaning Question

#117889

Per Felder website auto filter cleaning is available as an option on RL125 to RL200.

Can anyone share how this feature is implemented? Is the wiper being moved automatically while machine is running or is it pulse air cleaning or some other method?

I am curious if there is any benefit if the wipers are run regularly while the machine is running? Seems like it would be hard to dislodge dust/chips with air moving in the opposite direction.

Imran

Re: Ground Wire on Single Phase machine #ground #electrical

#117888

It’s in the Survival Guide.  LOL

David Best - via mobile phone

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On Aug 9, 2021, at 11:24 AM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:

?So, I decided to rewire my shop (my wife refers to it as the garage) to add several 220 circuits and a couple of 120.  In so doing, I rewired the plug on my CF741.  I couldn’t get it to run even though I also replaced the capacitors that seem to have failed at the same time.  

I called Felder tech support and they were puzzling it out as well.  The technician (Ron) suggested that I check the voltage across L1 and L2 while he pondered, did some research, and went to lunch.   After searching a bit, I found a L1 and L2 on a PCB (I presume the brake board) and measured — 120?  I took the cover off of the newly wired receptacle and measured:  250.  It made no sense to me.  So I took the plug apart and looked and tested the connection.  Secure.  Brown wire and yellow with green stripe to hot, green wire to ground.  Still no love.

I went to google and searched for “ground wire color Europe.”  Hmm.  Yellow with green stripe.  So I swapped the green wire for the yellow with green stripe, and now everything seems to work.

Why this isn’t in the manual Is another question.

Mike