Re: Felder Shipping Charge
Thanks Imran,?
I'll research those ebay options or just modify a cheap socket.?
Jarrett?
On Tue, May 4, 2021, 12:57 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: ?Jarrett,
The $400 socket I see at mcmaster won’t work for a recessed nut. Maybe they have others that I did not see.
My KF arbor nut is 30mm. I cannot look due to couple of hundred # sitting in slider right now but my book shows 30mm castle nut #27
I found this, not the right size, but you may look into offerings of this company.
Honda Type 20mm ID , 25mm OD / 24mm ID , 30mm OD Castle Slit Slot Nut Engine Motor Mount Lock Nut 4 pin Spanner Socket Tool for CBR1000RR CBR600F4 CBR600RR CBR900RR GL1800 RVT1000R RC51 VTR1000F Superhawk
Imran? On May 4, 2021, at 12:48 PM, Jarrett Maxwell < j.a.max7@...> wrote: ? Great! Thank you all for the input. I had bought a castle nut wrench or spanner wrench previously but it appears that the nut on the saw arbor is recessed and may require a socket. McMaster sells them for nearly $400 to $600 each! That seems completely unreasonable to me.
Hopefully I can find something that will work.?
Jarrett On Tue, May 4, 2021, 9:21 AM Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. < rohrabacher@...> wrote:
Unless? you can lubricate them? you need sealed pre-lubricated
bearings
If you don't have grease zerks? or oil? oil cups your bearings
are sealed
On 5/3/21 7:49 PM, Jarrett Maxwell
wrote:
Hey Jason,?
That is what I was thinking as well. I need to
replace the saw arbor bearings. Do you think I need shielded
or sealed bearings??
Have a great evening!?
Jarrett
On Mon, May 3, 2021, 6:34 PM
Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
Jarrett,
Don't order bearings from Felder. You can get them at
any bearing supply house. I've got two local to me, and
can just drive over and pick them up.
Jason
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Felder Shipping Charge
I’m positive Mac posted a good source... only 124k parts/tools to sift through.
My choice would be to go buy an inexpensive socket and cut it down to make it fit that application. Doesn’t look like a castle nut to me, but I find new types of fasteners monthly. ?
Good luck.
K-
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On May 4, 2021, at 9:10 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
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Motion industries Designing and building for 50 years
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On May 4, 2021, at 12:57 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? ?Jarrett,
The $400 socket I see at mcmaster won’t work for a recessed nut. Maybe they have others that I did not see.
https://www.mcmaster.com/5510N183
My KF arbor nut is 30mm. I cannot look due to couple of hundred # sitting in slider right now but my book shows 30mm castle nut #27
I found this, not the right size, but you may look into offerings of this company.
Honda Type 20mm ID , 25mm OD / 24mm ID , 30mm OD Castle Slit Slot Nut Engine Motor Mount Lock Nut 4 pin Spanner Socket Tool for CBR1000RR CBR600F4 CBR600RR CBR900RR GL1800 RVT1000R RC51 VTR1000F Superhawk https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014E1TL32/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_TTF46MW4HK2XVCCJ3JMD
Imran?
On May 4, 2021, at 12:48 PM, Jarrett Maxwell <j.a.max7@...> wrote:
? Great! Thank you all for the input. I had bought a castle nut wrench or spanner wrench previously but it appears that the nut on the saw arbor is recessed and may require a socket. McMaster sells them for nearly $400 to $600 each! That seems completely unreasonable to me.
Hopefully I can find something that will work.?
Jarrett On Tue, May 4, 2021, 9:21 AM Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. < rohrabacher@...> wrote:
Unless? you can lubricate them? you need sealed pre-lubricated
bearings
If you don't have grease zerks? or oil? oil cups your bearings
are sealed
On 5/3/21 7:49 PM, Jarrett Maxwell
wrote:
Hey Jason,?
That is what I was thinking as well. I need to
replace the saw arbor bearings. Do you think I need shielded
or sealed bearings??
Have a great evening!?
Jarrett
On Mon, May 3, 2021, 6:34 PM
Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
Jarrett,
Don't order bearings from Felder. You can get them at
any bearing supply house. I've got two local to me, and
can just drive over and pick them up.
Jason
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Auto Start DC only works if you remember to turn power on ?
So auto start doesn’t work . Designing and building for 50 years
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On May 4, 2021, at 7:24 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? DC is not running but VFD has power. When a machine turns on, the current sensor closes a relay which grounds the VFD 24 VDC signal. That causes VFD to provide 3 phase power to DC turning it on.
I forgot to turn power to the VFD on.
Imran On May 4, 2021, at 8:13 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote: ? I guess I am missing something why have an auto system if the dust-collector is already running ? Designing and building for 50 years On May 4, 2021, at 7:06 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Mac,
I have that setup. Every machine starts the DC automatically but I had the power to VFD off. DC runs of the VFD. I could automate the VFD as well but I think I want something left for my brain ?
Imran On May 4, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote: ? Use a current sensor that starts a starter and loop one leg of each tools thru it , I can figure it out and I am at first grade level so electrical engineers ought be able to figure it out. Designing and building for 50 years On May 4, 2021, at 4:36 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I had to forget it on a 13’ 4x8 .....On May 4, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:?I hate when that happens-----Original Message-----From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.ioSent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 11:55 AMTo: [email protected]Subject: [FOG] Auto Start DC only works if you remember to turn power on ?Imran
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Re: Auto Start DC only works if you remember to turn power on ?
DC is not running but VFD has power. When a machine turns on, the current sensor closes a relay which grounds the VFD 24 VDC signal. That causes VFD to provide 3 phase power to DC turning it on.
I forgot to turn power to the VFD on.
Imran
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On May 4, 2021, at 8:13 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote: ? I guess I am missing something why have an auto system if the dust-collector is already running ? Designing and building for 50 years On May 4, 2021, at 7:06 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Mac,
I have that setup. Every machine starts the DC automatically but I had the power to VFD off. DC runs of the VFD. I could automate the VFD as well but I think I want something left for my brain ?
Imran On May 4, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote: ? Use a current sensor that starts a starter and loop one leg of each tools thru it , I can figure it out and I am at first grade level so electrical engineers ought be able to figure it out. Designing and building for 50 years On May 4, 2021, at 4:36 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I had to forget it on a 13’ 4x8 .....On May 4, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:?I hate when that happens-----Original Message-----From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.ioSent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 11:55 AMTo: [email protected]Subject: [FOG] Auto Start DC only works if you remember to turn power on ?Imran
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Re: Auto Start DC only works if you remember to turn power on ?
I guess I am missing something why have an auto system if the dust-collector is already running ? Designing and building for 50 years
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On May 4, 2021, at 7:06 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Mac,
I have that setup. Every machine starts the DC automatically but I had the power to VFD off. DC runs of the VFD. I could automate the VFD as well but I think I want something left for my brain ?
Imran On May 4, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote: ? Use a current sensor that starts a starter and loop one leg of each tools thru it , I can figure it out and I am at first grade level so electrical engineers ought be able to figure it out. Designing and building for 50 years On May 4, 2021, at 4:36 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I had to forget it on a 13’ 4x8 .....On May 4, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:?I hate when that happens-----Original Message-----From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.ioSent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 11:55 AMTo: [email protected]Subject: [FOG] Auto Start DC only works if you remember to turn power on ?Imran
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Re: Auto Start DC only works if you remember to turn power on ?
Mac,
I have that setup. Every machine starts the DC automatically but I had the power to VFD off. DC runs of the VFD. I could automate the VFD as well but I think I want something left for my brain ?
Imran
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On May 4, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote: ? Use a current sensor that starts a starter and loop one leg of each tools thru it , I can figure it out and I am at first grade level so electrical engineers ought be able to figure it out. Designing and building for 50 years On May 4, 2021, at 4:36 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I had to forget it on a 13’ 4x8 .....On May 4, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:?I hate when that happens-----Original Message-----From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.ioSent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 11:55 AMTo: [email protected]Subject: [FOG] Auto Start DC only works if you remember to turn power on ?Imran
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Re: Auto Start DC only works if you remember to turn power on ?
Use a current sensor that starts a starter and loop one leg of each tools thru it , I can figure it out and I am at first grade level so electrical engineers ought be able to figure it out. Designing and building for 50 years
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On May 4, 2021, at 4:36 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I had to forget it on a 13’ 4x8 .....On May 4, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:?I hate when that happens-----Original Message-----From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.ioSent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 11:55 AMTo: [email protected]Subject: [FOG] Auto Start DC only works if you remember to turn power on ?Imran
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Re: Tannewitz bandsaw electrics question
Got the starter working and the motor runs. Now to wire in the DC injection brake
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On Behalf Of Joe Jensen
Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 10:02 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FOG] Tannewitz bandsaw electrics question
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In my bandsaw rebuild it's time for the electrical and to test (anxiety) the motor.? I could not get the starter to work so I took it to a motor shop and they found that someone (before me) had taken it apart and reassembled wrong and they
found one contactor is frozen.? The controls are 1967 vintage Cutler Hammer.? ?
When I spoke with Tannewitz they strongly advised that this saw with a 900 RPM direct drive motor runs too fast for resawing.? You may recall that I recently bought a 32" Northfield bandsaw and they asked what I was going to do and unprompted told me that the
900 RPM motor would run the blade too fast for resawing.? First, why would faster matter? I've found with my other bandsaws moving the wood slower results in a cleaner cut.? Are they saying that because the saws don't have the HP or build to feed the stock
fast enough for the blade design?
Anyway I have a three options:
1) Replace the guts of the Cutler Hammer starter with new. If so what brand starter parts would you recommend?? Maybe just have the motor shop do this?
2) Replace the starter with a new one. If this, what brand seems so many are now selling Chinese stuff which I am leery of.
3) Replace the starter with a VFD.? If I do this, I assume need some kind of fuse to protect the motor or can I just program the VFD for max current?? I would want to use a NEMA4 enclosure VFD I think to keep dust out but is this overkill??
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On May 4, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote: ?I hate when that happens -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 11:55 AM To: [email protected]Subject: [FOG] Auto Start DC only works if you remember to turn power on ? Imran
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Oh yeah, I recall someone doing that years ago. My new old machine has the dial in the handwheel, so I would have to add some kind of a readout. Something better than a wixey.?
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Re: Felder Shipping Charge
Jarrett,
I see some on ebay. You will need to match the pin size though.
Imran
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On May 4, 2021, at 1:57 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: ? ?Jarrett,
The $400 socket I see at mcmaster won’t work for a recessed nut. Maybe they have others that I did not see.
https://www.mcmaster.com/5510N183
My KF arbor nut is 30mm. I cannot look due to couple of hundred # sitting in slider right now but my book shows 30mm castle nut #27
I found this, not the right size, but you may look into offerings of this company.
Honda Type 20mm ID , 25mm OD / 24mm ID , 30mm OD Castle Slit Slot Nut Engine Motor Mount Lock Nut 4 pin Spanner Socket Tool for CBR1000RR CBR600F4 CBR600RR CBR900RR GL1800 RVT1000R RC51 VTR1000F Superhawk https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014E1TL32/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_TTF46MW4HK2XVCCJ3JMD
Imran?
On May 4, 2021, at 12:48 PM, Jarrett Maxwell <j.a.max7@...> wrote:
? Great! Thank you all for the input. I had bought a castle nut wrench or spanner wrench previously but it appears that the nut on the saw arbor is recessed and may require a socket. McMaster sells them for nearly $400 to $600 each! That seems completely unreasonable to me.
Hopefully I can find something that will work.?
Jarrett On Tue, May 4, 2021, 9:21 AM Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. < rohrabacher@...> wrote:
Unless? you can lubricate them? you need sealed pre-lubricated
bearings
If you don't have grease zerks? or oil? oil cups your bearings
are sealed
On 5/3/21 7:49 PM, Jarrett Maxwell
wrote:
Hey Jason,?
That is what I was thinking as well. I need to
replace the saw arbor bearings. Do you think I need shielded
or sealed bearings??
Have a great evening!?
Jarrett
On Mon, May 3, 2021, 6:34 PM
Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
Jarrett,
Don't order bearings from Felder. You can get them at
any bearing supply house. I've got two local to me, and
can just drive over and pick them up.
Jason
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Felder Shipping Charge
?Jarrett,
The $400 socket I see at mcmaster won’t work for a recessed nut. Maybe they have others that I did not see.
https://www.mcmaster.com/5510N183
My KF arbor nut is 30mm. I cannot look due to couple of hundred # sitting in slider right now but my book shows 30mm castle nut #27
I found this, not the right size, but you may look into offerings of this company.
Honda Type 20mm ID , 25mm OD / 24mm ID , 30mm OD Castle Slit Slot Nut Engine Motor Mount Lock Nut 4 pin Spanner Socket Tool for CBR1000RR CBR600F4 CBR600RR CBR900RR GL1800 RVT1000R RC51 VTR1000F Superhawk https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014E1TL32/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_TTF46MW4HK2XVCCJ3JMD
Imran?
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On May 4, 2021, at 12:48 PM, Jarrett Maxwell <j.a.max7@...> wrote: ? Great! Thank you all for the input. I had bought a castle nut wrench or spanner wrench previously but it appears that the nut on the saw arbor is recessed and may require a socket. McMaster sells them for nearly $400 to $600 each! That seems completely unreasonable to me.
Hopefully I can find something that will work.?
Jarrett On Tue, May 4, 2021, 9:21 AM Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. < rohrabacher@...> wrote:
Unless? you can lubricate them? you need sealed pre-lubricated
bearings
If you don't have grease zerks? or oil? oil cups your bearings
are sealed
On 5/3/21 7:49 PM, Jarrett Maxwell
wrote:
Hey Jason,?
That is what I was thinking as well. I need to
replace the saw arbor bearings. Do you think I need shielded
or sealed bearings??
Have a great evening!?
Jarrett
On Mon, May 3, 2021, 6:34 PM
Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
Jarrett,
Don't order bearings from Felder. You can get them at
any bearing supply house. I've got two local to me, and
can just drive over and pick them up.
Jason
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Felder Shipping Charge
Great! Thank you all for the input. I had bought a castle nut wrench or spanner wrench previously but it appears that the nut on the saw arbor is recessed and may require a socket. McMaster sells them for nearly $400 to $600 each! That seems completely unreasonable to me.
Hopefully I can find something that will work.?
Jarrett
On Tue, May 4, 2021, 9:21 AM Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. < rohrabacher@...> wrote:
Unless? you can lubricate them? you need sealed pre-lubricated
bearings
If you don't have grease zerks? or oil? oil cups your bearings
are sealed
On 5/3/21 7:49 PM, Jarrett Maxwell
wrote:
Hey Jason,?
That is what I was thinking as well. I need to
replace the saw arbor bearings. Do you think I need shielded
or sealed bearings??
Have a great evening!?
Jarrett
On Mon, May 3, 2021, 6:34 PM
Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
Jarrett,
Don't order bearings from Felder. You can get them at
any bearing supply house. I've got two local to me, and
can just drive over and pick them up.
Jason
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
|
Re: Felder Shipping Charge
Unless? you can lubricate them? you need sealed pre-lubricated
bearings
If you don't have grease zerks? or oil? oil cups your bearings
are sealed
On 5/3/21 7:49 PM, Jarrett Maxwell
wrote:
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Hey Jason,?
That is what I was thinking as well. I need to
replace the saw arbor bearings. Do you think I need shielded
or sealed bearings??
Have a great evening!?
Jarrett
On Mon, May 3, 2021, 6:34 PM
Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
Jarrett,
Don't order bearings from Felder. You can get them at
any bearing supply house. I've got two local to me, and
can just drive over and pick them up.
Jason
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Hi Greg,
An easier to implement option, not as elegantes as adding a motor, is to modify the crank to allow use of a hand drill. If interested ask here and hopefully someone will post details.
Imran
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On May 4, 2021, at 3:25 AM, Greg Q <greg.quenneville@...> wrote: ?That's excellent, thanks Mac. I think I have a motor here that would work. I agree that hand cranking gets old pretty quickly. On the other hand I have a good Italian jp here that I may keep instead of throwing overboard.
Former member 2005-2010 recently returned to woodworking.
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That's excellent, thanks Mac. I think I have a motor here that would work. I agree that hand cranking gets old pretty quickly. On the other hand I have a good Italian jp here that I may keep instead of throwing overboard.
Former member 2005-2010 recently returned to woodworking.
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Jarrett,
Look up castle nut wrench. I learned about them right here. The xcut fence stops on the outrigger has castle nut on each end. Felder wrench for saw blade change has one built in it for the outrigger. I am not sure how you measure the size. Some here likely will post or you can google it.
Just a pic for reference:
Imran
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On May 3, 2021, at 10:10 PM, Jarrett Maxwell <j.a.max7@...> wrote: ? Thank you Dave and Imran,?
I will check that place out!?
Do you all know where to find the special tool used to remove the nut on the rear of the saw shaft? I think it's a castle nut of some kind. It seems like there should be some sort of socket set that might work.?
Thanks in?advance for your help!
Jarrett? On Mon, May 3, 2021, 7:24 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
The existing are probably sealed.? Once you have the size, get SKF Explorer type bearings.? They are a tad higher precision and still pretty low cost.? Don't let the bearing people give you C3.? You want normal clearance for a spindle bearing unless it runs
really fast like the Felder router spindle bearings.? Dave
Hey Jason,?
That is what I was thinking as well. I need to replace the saw arbor bearings. Do you think I need shielded or sealed bearings??
Have a great evening!?
Jarrett
On Mon, May 3, 2021, 6:34 PM Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
Jarrett,
Don't order bearings from Felder. You can get them at any bearing supply house. I've got two local to me, and can just drive over and pick them up.
Jason
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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imran
Joe Jensen