Re: motor(s) overheating on vintage SCM Minimax
The motors are single phase 3.6 HP. When the motors have shut themselves off, they have been quite hot to the touch. Yes, they are fan cooled; the shop is always about 75- 80 degrees, and the motors have no sawdust build-up. Bearing sound good. Saw runs smooth and strong. SCM techs I talked to years ago seemed to think the motors were just wearing out. I did replace the main switch at one point, and that didn't change anything. I will see about measuring the amp draw, but electrical things are not my cup of tea. I'm just wondering what to say to the potential buyer without totally scaring him off. I will check to verify the cost of new motors, in case he ever needed to replace them.??
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Cliff,? I had? that Vertigo thing on and off for a year.? In hospital twice and multiple attacks.? Working on a shaper in storage building and just turned it off in time to hit the ground and look for something to barf into for the next three hours.? Wife found
me at 3 am. ? Five years later my balance is still compromised but I have not had a major issue with the crystals.? If I bend over and stare too hard at something for long I start to feel crummy so all my work tables and machines are set so I remain pretty
upright.? Staring at the ground is bad but using it as an excuse not to shovel snow or God forbid vacuum is great.? Dave
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yah? weird shit? can happen.
The other day while? manhandling some large 2.5" thick walnut slabs on the bandsaw? I? lost my balance the room started spinning I had to let go the lumber and grab something to remain upright.
Turns? out there are little calcium crystals in the inner ear that can come loose and? out of nowhere you can't balance.? the room spins and? you are really? disoriented.
There are exercises? one can do to remove the loose crystals and? get them out from where they fell when they got dislodged ad? then you are golden again. takes all of a couple minutes. But man? it gives you absolutely? no warning.? One second everythign
is fine and the next is ain't.
On 1/22/21 9:50 AM, Jason Holtz wrote:
I know most of the folks in this group are hobbyists, and as such are probably in the shop alone most of the time. Please carry your phone on your person at all times in case of an accident.
Yesterday in the shop, there were three of us fortunately. I'm usually aware of my surroundings and am quick to offer help before someone asks for it. Not yesterday though. I was applying finish, had my earphones on in my own world. That's when I heard the
crash from across the shop. My shop mate had been on a ladder getting some wood off of the storage rack. We found him on the floor on his back, twisted up in a pile of wood and the ladder. He was unconscious and bleeding badly from the back of his head. Called
911. We got all the wood/ladder moved off of him and I rolled him to his side and applied pressure to his wound to stop the bleeding. I kept talking to him and he came to, and was totally incoherent for a couple minutes. He started to make some sense after
a couple minutes, but had no idea what happened. The paramedics arrived within 10 minutes. They put a neck brace on him and got him sitting up for a minute, but he was very nauseous. They then put him on a gurney and took him out to the ambulance where they
checked him out further. Ended up at HCMC, a level one trauma center. CT scan showed a brain bleed and skull fractures. His cognitive test results were good. Hoping for the best. He may be there a while. I shudder to think about if he would have been in the
shop alone.?
Please check your risk factors. Ask for help when you need it. Your friends and family want you around.
Jason
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Thank you all who participated. I decided go with hp90 joos. Life is too short ;)? Elegance Custom Cabinetry? Minneapolis, Minnesota?
Regards?
Dmitry Ivanovs .
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On Jan 17, 2021, at 23:18, tomruth@... wrote:
?Mark,
??????? Do you remember what the glue of choice was for hot press work?
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yah? weird shit? can happen.
The other day while? manhandling some large 2.5" thick walnut
slabs on the bandsaw? I? lost my balance the room started spinning
I had to let go the lumber and grab something to remain upright.
Turns? out there are little calcium crystals in the inner ear
that can come loose and? out of nowhere you can't balance.? the
room spins and? you are really? disoriented.
There are exercises? one can do to remove the loose crystals and?
get them out from where they fell when they got dislodged ad? then
you are golden again. takes all of a couple minutes. But man? it
gives you absolutely? no warning.? One second everythign is fine
and the next is ain't.
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On 1/22/21 9:50 AM, Jason Holtz wrote:
I know most of the folks in this group are hobbyists, and as such
are probably in the shop alone most of the time. Please carry your
phone on your person at all times in case of an accident.
Yesterday in the shop, there were three of us fortunately. I'm
usually aware of my surroundings and am quick to offer help before
someone asks for it. Not yesterday though. I was applying finish,
had my earphones on in my own world. That's when I heard the crash
from across the shop. My shop mate had been on a ladder getting
some wood off of the storage rack. We found him on the floor on
his back, twisted up in a pile of wood and the ladder. He was
unconscious and bleeding badly from the back of his head. Called
911. We got all the wood/ladder moved off of him and I rolled him
to his side and applied pressure to his wound to stop the
bleeding. I kept talking to him and he came to, and was totally
incoherent for a couple minutes. He started to make some sense
after a couple minutes, but had no idea what happened. The
paramedics arrived within 10 minutes. They put a neck brace on him
and got him sitting up for a minute, but he was very nauseous.
They then put him on a gurney and took him out to the ambulance
where they checked him out further. Ended up at HCMC, a level one
trauma center. CT scan showed a brain bleed and skull fractures.
His cognitive test results were good. Hoping for the best. He may
be there a while. I shudder to think about if he would have been
in the shop alone.?
Please check your risk factors. Ask for help when you need it.
Your friends and family want you around.
Jason
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Not workshop related but here in the UK a guy I know was working on his roof renovating a derelict house. By himself. ? That evening, his wife became concerned that he'd not yet come home some hours later and so went to look for him. ?She found the house. ?Collapsed. ? Buried him. ?He survived. ?Luckily. ?The mobile phone didn't help him. ?No signal coverage.
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On 22 Jan 2021, at 19:42, Fred Rossi < fred@...> wrote:
Jason:
My best to your partner. I had a lift of sheet goods come down on me but was hung up on a milk crate and didn't pancake my legs. After that I have my phone with me always. Thanks for the wake up call. We can never be too careful.
Fred Rossi
Years ago my father was on a ladder on a lower roof working on the second story and the ladder slid out from under him.? This was in the days before
cell phones. ??In the fall his leg was tangled in the ladder and it crushed his ankle.? He had to wait on the roof for 5 hours for my mother to get home to call for help. Agony. ?
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I pray your mate comes out of it fully recovered and as soon as possible.
I learned this lesson when i was on the roof during constructing the addition behind my shop and my ladder fell. Yes, I know i need to secure it but it was on the opposite end of the prevailing wind side.
Another safety rule of our house, no chainsaw work when wife is not home. Does not matter if I have cell or not.
On Jan 22, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
?I know most of the folks in this group are hobbyists, and as such are probably in the shop alone most of the time. Please carry your phone on your person at all times in case of an accident.
Yesterday in the shop, there were three of us fortunately. I'm usually aware of my surroundings and am quick to offer help before someone asks for it. Not yesterday though. I was applying finish, had my earphones on in my own world. That's when I heard the
crash from across the shop. My shop mate had been on a ladder getting some wood off of the storage rack. We found him on the floor on his back, twisted up in a pile of wood and the ladder. He was unconscious and bleeding badly from the back of his head. Called
911. We got all the wood/ladder moved off of him and I rolled him to his side and applied pressure to his wound to stop the bleeding. I kept talking to him and he came to, and was totally incoherent for a couple minutes. He started to make some sense after
a couple minutes, but had no idea what happened. The paramedics arrived within 10 minutes. They put a neck brace on him and got him sitting up for a minute, but he was very nauseous. They then put him on a gurney and took him out to the ambulance where they
checked him out further. Ended up at HCMC, a level one trauma center. CT scan showed a brain bleed and skull fractures. His cognitive test results were good. Hoping for the best. He may be there a while. I shudder to think about if he would have been in the
shop alone.?
Please check your risk factors. Ask for help when you need it. Your friends and family want you around.
Jason
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Fred Rossi 617.905.6497
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Re: Felder comfort rolling carriage
#forsale
Sorry to hijack your thread, but how many castors did you install? Four or six? I am planning to do the same and wondering if four will create a lot of breaking pressure between saw/shaper body and j/p?
Thank you, Ed.
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 1:13 PM < subs@...> wrote: Hi there Felder group,?
My first post here to the group, but I've been enjoying reading the conversations since I joined a few months ago.
I have a Felder Comfort Rolling Carriage for sale, in almost mint condition. It was fitted to my CF 531 which I've just installed Zambus castors to so I no longer need it.
Here is a link for the item on the Felder shop.?
$180 to the lucky new owner.
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Jason:
My best to your partner. I had a lift of sheet goods come down on me but was hung up on a milk crate and didn't pancake my legs. After that I have my phone with me always. Thanks for the wake up call. We can never be too careful.
Fred Rossi StudioRossi.us
Years ago my father was on a ladder on a lower roof working on the second story and the ladder slid out from under him.? This was in the days before
cell phones. ??In the fall his leg was tangled in the ladder and it crushed his ankle.? He had to wait on the roof for 5 hours for my mother to get home to call for help. Agony.
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I pray your mate comes out of it fully recovered and as soon as possible.
I learned this lesson when i was on the roof during constructing the addition behind my shop and my ladder fell. Yes, I know i need to secure it but it was on the opposite end of the prevailing wind side.
Another safety rule of our house, no chainsaw work when wife is not home. Does not matter if I have cell or not.
On Jan 22, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
?I know most of the folks in this group are hobbyists, and as such are probably in the shop alone most of the time. Please carry your phone on your person at all times in case of an accident.
Yesterday in the shop, there were three of us fortunately. I'm usually aware of my surroundings and am quick to offer help before someone asks for it. Not yesterday though. I was applying finish, had my earphones on in my own world. That's when I heard the
crash from across the shop. My shop mate had been on a ladder getting some wood off of the storage rack. We found him on the floor on his back, twisted up in a pile of wood and the ladder. He was unconscious and bleeding badly from the back of his head. Called
911. We got all the wood/ladder moved off of him and I rolled him to his side and applied pressure to his wound to stop the bleeding. I kept talking to him and he came to, and was totally incoherent for a couple minutes. He started to make some sense after
a couple minutes, but had no idea what happened. The paramedics arrived within 10 minutes. They put a neck brace on him and got him sitting up for a minute, but he was very nauseous. They then put him on a gurney and took him out to the ambulance where they
checked him out further. Ended up at HCMC, a level one trauma center. CT scan showed a brain bleed and skull fractures. His cognitive test results were good. Hoping for the best. He may be there a while. I shudder to think about if he would have been in the
shop alone.?
Please check your risk factors. Ask for help when you need it. Your friends and family want you around.
Jason
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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These are scary but important reminders. ?I have too many times thought, ?wow that was stupid and I am lucky I got away with that. ?Usually it is also at the end of the day, like others have mentioned, and even more specifically “the one last thing I'm going to do today.” ?I wish your colleage a speedy recovery! ?Thanks for the reminder. ?
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Jason,
Wishing your friend a speedy recovery and he was fortunate to have his colleagues around to administer aid quickly.? One simply cannot be too careful especially in home/hobby shops especially as we get older...take a breather if your frustrated or tired, ask for help, or just walk away til tomorr
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Hope he has a full recovery.?
I too bought an Apple Watch for this fall detection feature, but have since learned there are apps you can install on your phone that provides the same or very similar capability.?
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On Jan 22, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? Thanks for the well?wishes. I will pass them along. He is stable this morning, with a killer headache. They will be keeping him a while to monitor the bleeding.
TJ, good reminder. It's good to listen to yourself. I always seem to know beforehand when I'm about to do something stupid. Sometimes I can't focus on things, I just leave and come back later. Or tomorrow.?
I see the value of the Apple watch now. I don't know if I can bring myself to buy one though. Hopefully Android watches copy that feature. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Thanks for the well?wishes. I will pass them along. He is stable this morning, with a killer headache. They will be keeping him a while to monitor the bleeding.
TJ, good reminder. It's good to listen to yourself. I always seem to know beforehand when I'm about to do something stupid. Sometimes I can't focus on things, I just leave and come back later. Or tomorrow.?
I see the value of the Apple watch now. I don't know if I can bring myself to buy one though. Hopefully Android watches copy that feature. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Jason,
Wishing your friend a speedy recovery and he was fortunate to have his colleagues around to administer aid quickly.? One simply cannot be too careful especially in home/hobby shops especially as we get older...take a breather if your frustrated or tired, ask for help, or just walk away til tomorrow.? ?
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Please post some pictures of what modification you have done?
Thank you in advance
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Paul,
I know exactly what you mean. I got sick of the gap between the planer and saw table and the poor, to me, operation of the rip fence.
I used a length of 40/80 slotted aluminium extrusion clamped to the front of the saw table and made up my own sliding fence. The arrangement is similar to how the Hammer fence is arranged. It may look a little crude but it glides accross the tables easily and is just as solid as the original Felder fence.
I incorporated adjusters into it so I can set it square and also parallel to the saw blade.
The only slight disadvantage is that it does not tilt.
I managed to do this without drilling or modifying the machine or original fence in any way. The extrusion can be removed by backing off two 13mm bolts 1/2 turn each.
If you're interested I'll post up a few pictures but I won't be back at work till Monday.
Dave
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Please post some pictures?
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On Jan 22, 2021, at 12:13 PM, deliveries@... wrote:
?Paul,
I know exactly what you mean. I got sick of the gap between the planer and saw table and the poor, to me, operation of the rip fence.
I used a length of 40/80 slotted aluminium extrusion clamped to the front of the saw table and made up my own sliding fence. The arrangement is similar to how the Hammer fence is arranged. It may look a little crude but it glides accross the tables easily and is just as solid as the original Felder fence.
I incorporated adjusters into it so I can set it square and also parallel to the saw blade.
The only slight disadvantage is that it does not tilt.
I managed to do this without drilling or modifying the machine or original fence in any way. The extrusion can be removed by backing off two 13mm bolts 1/2 turn each.
If you're interested I'll post up a few pictures but I won't be back at work till Monday.
Dave
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Felder comfort rolling carriage
#forsale
Hi there Felder group,? My first post here to the group, but I've been enjoying reading the conversations since I joined a few months ago. I have a Felder Comfort Rolling Carriage for sale, in almost mint condition. It was fitted to my CF 531 which I've just installed Zambus castors to so I no longer need it. Here is a link for the item on the Felder shop.? $180 to the lucky new owner. 
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Paul,
I know exactly what you mean. I got sick of the gap between the planer and saw table and the poor, to me, operation of the rip fence.
I used a length of 40/80 slotted aluminium extrusion clamped to the front of the saw table and made up my own sliding fence. The arrangement is similar to how the Hammer fence is arranged. It may look a little crude but it glides accross the tables easily and is just as solid as the original Felder fence.
I incorporated adjusters into it so I can set it square and also parallel to the saw blade.
The only slight disadvantage is that it does not tilt.
I managed to do this without drilling or modifying the machine or original fence in any way. The extrusion can be removed by backing off two 13mm bolts 1/2 turn each.
If you're interested I'll post up a few pictures but I won't be back at work till Monday.
Dave
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Years ago my father was on a ladder on a lower roof working on the second story and the ladder slid out from under him.? This was in the days before
cell phones. ??In the fall his leg was tangled in the ladder and it crushed his ankle.? He had to wait on the roof for 5 hours for my mother to get home to call for help. Agony.
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On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 8:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] A note of caution
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I pray your mate comes out of it fully recovered and as soon as possible.
I learned this lesson when i was on the roof during constructing the addition behind my shop and my ladder fell. Yes, I know i need to secure it but it was on the opposite end of the prevailing wind side.
Another safety rule of our house, no chainsaw work when wife is not home. Does not matter if I have cell or not.
On Jan 22, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
?I know most of the folks in this group are hobbyists, and as such are probably in the shop alone most of the time. Please carry your phone on your person at all times in case of an accident.
Yesterday in the shop, there were three of us fortunately. I'm usually aware of my surroundings and am quick to offer help before someone asks for it. Not yesterday though. I was applying finish, had my earphones on in my own world. That's when I heard the
crash from across the shop. My shop mate had been on a ladder getting some wood off of the storage rack. We found him on the floor on his back, twisted up in a pile of wood and the ladder. He was unconscious and bleeding badly from the back of his head. Called
911. We got all the wood/ladder moved off of him and I rolled him to his side and applied pressure to his wound to stop the bleeding. I kept talking to him and he came to, and was totally incoherent for a couple minutes. He started to make some sense after
a couple minutes, but had no idea what happened. The paramedics arrived within 10 minutes. They put a neck brace on him and got him sitting up for a minute, but he was very nauseous. They then put him on a gurney and took him out to the ambulance where they
checked him out further. Ended up at HCMC, a level one trauma center. CT scan showed a brain bleed and skull fractures. His cognitive test results were good. Hoping for the best. He may be there a while. I shudder to think about if he would have been in the
shop alone.?
Please check your risk factors. Ask for help when you need it. Your friends and family want you around.
Jason
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Jason, thanks for this. I am guilty too often of doing things while alone in the shop that would be better with help.? As I get older and weaker I am
better as having my son in law come over to lend a hand but just this week I was up on a ladder awkwardly getting lumber down. ?In hindsight I should not have done it alone.
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]>
On Behalf Of Jason Holtz
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 7:51 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FOG] A note of caution
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I know most of the folks in this group are hobbyists, and as such are probably in the shop alone most of the time. Please carry your phone on your person at all times in case of an accident.
Yesterday in the shop, there were three of us fortunately. I'm usually aware of my surroundings and am quick to offer help before someone asks for it. Not yesterday though. I was applying finish, had my earphones on in my own world. That's when I heard the
crash from across the shop. My shop mate had been on a ladder getting some wood off of the storage rack. We found him on the floor on his back, twisted up in a pile of wood and the ladder. He was unconscious and bleeding badly from the back of his head. Called
911. We got all the wood/ladder moved off of him and I rolled him to his side and applied pressure to his wound to stop the bleeding. I kept talking to him and he came to, and was totally incoherent for a couple minutes. He started to make some sense after
a couple minutes, but had no idea what happened. The paramedics arrived within 10 minutes. They put a neck brace on him and got him sitting up for a minute, but he was very nauseous. They then put him on a gurney and took him out to the ambulance where they
checked him out further. Ended up at HCMC, a level one trauma center. CT scan showed a brain bleed and skull fractures. His cognitive test results were good. Hoping for the best. He may be there a while. I shudder to think about if he would have been in the
shop alone.?
Please check your risk factors. Ask for help when you need it. Your friends and family want you around.
Jason
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Thanks Jason for sharing – that’s very sobering. Best wishes to your friend for a full and speedy recovery.
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One thing I would add to this discussion – in the commercial world, there are organizations like OSHA that set rules for safety equipment, shop layout/storage, certain procedures, and working hours. At home these don’t apply, or are not
enforced. That doesn’t mean they aren’t important for home use, too. I sliced my thumb a year ago on my SawStop clearing an offcut during a spindown. The blade brake fired, and because of the nature of impact, I contacted the side of the blade, not the teeth,
it actually pulled a tooth across my thumb and I got an arguably worse injury than if I would have contacted the front of the blade. The reason this happened – it was late and I was tired.
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Knowing when it’s time to turn the lights off and head home is really important.
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I know most of the folks in this group are hobbyists, and as such are probably in the shop alone most of the time. Please carry your phone on your person at all times in case of an accident.
Yesterday in the shop, there were three of us fortunately. I'm usually aware of my surroundings and am quick to offer help before someone asks for it. Not yesterday though. I was applying finish, had my earphones on in my own world. That's when I heard the
crash from across the shop. My shop mate had been on a ladder getting some wood off of the storage rack. We found him on the floor on his back, twisted up in a pile of wood and the ladder. He was unconscious and bleeding badly from the back of his head. Called
911. We got all the wood/ladder moved off of him and I rolled him to his side and applied pressure to his wound to stop the bleeding. I kept talking to him and he came to, and was totally incoherent for a couple minutes. He started to make some sense after
a couple minutes, but had no idea what happened. The paramedics arrived within 10 minutes. They put a neck brace on him and got him sitting up for a minute, but he was very nauseous. They then put him on a gurney and took him out to the ambulance where they
checked him out further. Ended up at HCMC, a level one trauma center. CT scan showed a brain bleed and skull fractures. His cognitive test results were good. Hoping for the best. He may be there a while. I shudder to think about if he would have been in the
shop alone.?
Please check your risk factors. Ask for help when you need it. Your friends and family want you around.
Jason
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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That’s a good reminder, thanks Jason. When Apple came out with their series 4 Apple Watch with fall detection both my wife and I got them and had my 90+ Yr old parents buy them as well. If the watch detects a fall, it ask if your ok, if you don’t respond within 60 seconds it will call 911 and give them your gps location and call the emergency contact person you list as well. Gives me some peace of mind knowing that if my parents fall I will be notified and yes, if I fell in my hobby shop my wife would be alerted ?
Pat Rice
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Re: motor(s) overheating on vintage SCM Minimax
Acharya, both motors are acting the same way?? That in itself is a little wierd although if MM uses Fimec motors I'm not complietely surprised.? Are the motor single or three phase and what are the frame sizes and hp ratings.? The larger three phase motors
tend to run hot as they are up to 9 hp in a 100L frame.? Impossible to source from anyone other than SCM.? The smaller motors might be something you can source cheaper elsewhere.? Rewinding the smaller ones isn't usually cost effective and the motor shops
don't like rewinding the larger ones due to the amount of wires packed into the small frame.? I have an old guy who will do it and he charged me 600 but other motor shops estimated 900-1400, about the cost of new from SCM.? The smaller single phase motors
should be more in the 400-500 range.?
Have been able to feel how hot they get or measure the amp draw ?? If I were testing the motors to sell the machine, I would check that.? If the amp draw is OK and the motors stay cool, there may be a problem somewhere in the electrics.? I don't know how the
MM machines are wired and if there are some electrics common to the two motors.? Sam Blasco might give you some help.? He is a good guy and sells for MM.? Erik Loza who now works for Felder sold for MM for years and might have some insight as well.?
If the motors get very hot and the bearings sound good, you are probably close to replacement time.? 20 years on an Italian motor is more common than you would think.? Dave
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I'm planning on replacing my Minimax 300 CU; year of manufacture: 2000. For several years I have experienced overheating of the saw and shaper motors when running the machine for extended periods, especially under heavy load, e.g., thick hardwood ripping
on the saw.?
Is there any danger in letting the saw run with no load to see how long it will go before shutting itself off (which is had been doing). I want to test it before presenting it for sale. I did some cleanup on the
shop wiring, which MAY have improved matters.
When the motor(s) have overheated in the past, they shut themselves off without tripping a breaker. After letting the saw sit and cool down, it would turn on again. This is not a production shop, so I rarely do long runs, only when I get a helper or two and
have some extended time off from other duties for a special project.?
One more question: For a future owner, does this sound like something that could be remedied by having the motor rewound at a motor shop?
What does that procedure normally cost (if the motor tech thinks it will be effective?
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Fred Rossi
Jason Holtz
Joe Jensen
JP Rice