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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýMike, You made the right call in my opinion. The price being demanded is for a pristine machine with everything in excellent working order. Having said that, I have 2002 KF700 and no issues with trunion. So I personally would not walk away based upon that but if I cannot check the machine then the price has to reflect that. I completely understand that double trunion is preferred. I would not buy a used machine of this size and price if I could not test it, put a precision edge on it and check the arbor runout. Imran On Jan 6, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Mike Barrow via groups.io <lunatuna23@...> wrote:
?Thanks Brian for your description. I'm sure that the older trunnion may be just fine, but it does require more cleaning, lubrication and perhaps fussing with adjustments. ?That being said both saws that I reviewed were in acceptable condition and in need of attention. In need of attention from the stand point that it was difficult to tilt the saw blade and shaper trunnions. So did both saws need a good cleaning under the hood? ?Yes. ?Perhaps I could have purchased either KF700, cleaned lubricated and taken care of the issue. ?Perhaps after cleaning and lubricating I would have needed to learn how to make adjustments, repairs or have Felder service visit and spend a pretty penny adjusting or fixing a 14 to 17 year old KF700. There are a variety of reasons why I chose not to buy these saws. ?I have learned a lot from this experience. ?I feel that a KF700 with newer double trunnions would be a better choice for me. These saws will probably make some lucky buyers very happy. It is important to do your due diligence in any machine purchase, however and my experience led me to a point were I needed to move on. -- Mike Barrow |
Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
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When looking at any machine that hangs the guts from the cast iron table, you want to put a straight edge across near the opening to look for any depression in the top.? Beefing up the casting is cheaper than beefing up the base so many machines now use the
table to support mechanicals.? That is also aided by the smaller frame lighter weight motors and lighter components.? Some lower end machines also cheat on the table so the design isn't always better than using the base as the anchor.? Straight edges, feeler
gauges, dial indicators, and a good level ( like Brian's ) are your friends.? Don't leave home without them.? Dave
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mike Barrow via groups.io <lunatuna23@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:07 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FOG] KF700sp and AD741 used pricing ?
Thanks Brian for your description. I'm sure that the older trunnion may be just fine, but it does require more cleaning, lubrication and perhaps fussing with adjustments. ?That being said both saws that I reviewed were in acceptable condition and in need
of attention. In need of attention from the stand point that it was difficult to tilt the saw blade and shaper trunnions. So did both saws need a good cleaning under the hood? ?Yes. ?Perhaps I could have purchased either KF700, cleaned lubricated and taken
care of the issue. ?Perhaps after cleaning and lubricating I would have needed to learn how to make adjustments, repairs or have Felder service visit and spend a pretty penny adjusting or fixing a 14 to 17 year old KF700.
There are a variety of reasons why I chose not to buy these saws. ?I have learned a lot from this experience. ?I feel that a KF700 with newer double trunnions would be a better choice for me. These saws will probably make some lucky buyers very happy. It is important to do your due diligence in any machine purchase, however and my experience led me to a point were I needed to move on. -- Mike Barrow |
Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
Thanks Brian for your description. I'm sure that the older trunnion may be just fine, but it does require more cleaning, lubrication and perhaps fussing with adjustments. ?That being said both saws that I reviewed were in acceptable condition and in need of attention. In need of attention from the stand point that it was difficult to tilt the saw blade and shaper trunnions. So did both saws need a good cleaning under the hood? ?Yes. ?Perhaps I could have purchased either KF700, cleaned lubricated and taken care of the issue. ?Perhaps after cleaning and lubricating I would have needed to learn how to make adjustments, repairs or have Felder service visit and spend a pretty penny adjusting or fixing a 14 to 17 year old KF700.
There are a variety of reasons why I chose not to buy these saws. ?I have learned a lot from this experience. ?I feel that a KF700 with newer double trunnions would be a better choice for me. These saws will probably make some lucky buyers very happy. It is important to do your due diligence in any machine purchase, however and my experience led me to a point were I needed to move on. -- Mike Barrow |
Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýBrian,I know that but I was wondering what Mike thought. I ran 40 pound cutters on the year 2000 F700z I had with single trunnion and it worked. ?Hansjorg Felder told me the single trunnion was strong enough when I toured the Felder factory. ? That said I would not recommend running 40 pound cutters for production but a hobby user running 6 or even 8¡± cutters on a single trunnion will be fine. I think price is the limiting factor for this lot but I would not worry about the trunnions.? Joe
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Re: Mantle Build Question
I've done similar shelf installation down and dirty with lag screws into the studs. Once driven, the heads were cut off, and holes bore in the back of the shelves with an auger bit. Squirt some PL adhesive in the holes and slide it on.
Jason Holtz J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406 612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406 |
Re: Mantle Build Question
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDavid, Thanks for the details. I guess if I were to do this, i will probably epoxy the brackets in the mantle and then bolt the verticals to the studs while keeping mantle level. This on account of my ability to free hand drill as required to do this right. Imran On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:22 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
?Imran, Here¡¯s the drawing. ?Don¡¯t underestimate the racking force here. ?The brackets ended up costing $150 and took 30 minutes to fabricate. <screenshot_4605.jpeg> David Best https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThe older machines have a single trunnion affair and it supports the whole spindle and motor system on one end of the assembly. This brings into account an adjustment nightmare dealing with ¡°angle of the dangle¡± as well as toe-in and toe-out in the other direction. Failure to get the angle correct creates all sorts of issues when tilting the saw/shaper aggregate.All that said, my old machine is of this design and once set, it¡¯s pretty stable. If I was looking for a machine though, it would be the double trunnion machine¡ more easily adjusted and has better longevity of settings, and with the polymer materials used in the trunnion the smoothness and easiness of tilting is considerably better.
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
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Re: Mantle Build Question
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýFor what it¡¯s worth, this is a lot of clamps, lots of ¡°bouncing¡± load like 16¡± out.2 cabinet mounting screws into the studs, 3/4¡± French cleat. ? ?Not sure what they¡¯re doing on the mantle that would need more than that. Sent from a device with less than stellar autocorrect On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:22 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
Mark,
Can you give us more colors about your reasoning of virtually going T60 instead of K940, or even T60 instead of Kappa 400 (basic no X motion). Price wise, as far as I know, a T60 with DRO is more comparable to a Kappa 400 basic. Thanks, Bill |
Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
Mike,? I would remain patient with the seller. I think in time he will sell to you. Sometimes you need to let people test the market and become frustrated/educated on reality.? What trunnion issue? Do you mean prior to the redesign in 2006-2008 to the double trunnion? I don¡¯t know if that¡¯s much of a flaw to be concerned about.? Patrick On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:50 PM Mike Barrow via <lunatuna23=[email protected]> wrote: For a lot of reasons and assistance from some amazing people on FOG, I have backed out of this deal.? The accessories and tooling are great, but the high price, age and trunnion issues make this offering good from afar, but far from good.? Unfortunately, the seller will not part out the tooling and/or accessories and prefers to sell as a package deal. ? |
Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
You've got to like the diesels.? We finally passed down our 1999 Mercedes E300 diesel to my son.? It has about 275,000 miles on it and going strong. Dave Davies On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:48 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
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Porsche makes BMW look transparent.? I'm still angry they screwed up the diesel market and too old to be comfortable in the 911.? Dave
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Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 1:41 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada ?
The base price of all things German is pretty reasonable. But they get you with the options.? Certainly that is the case with BMW.? I do lust after a T27 but the side tenon table option is in the $10K realm.
Dave Davies
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Dave & Marie Davies
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
The base price of all things German is pretty reasonable. But they get you with the options.? Certainly that is the case with BMW.? I do lust after a T27 but the side tenon table option is in the $10K realm. Dave Davies On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:39 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
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I'd be interested in hearing about differences, pluses, minuses, and what a comparably equiped T60 and Kappa each price out as .? Martin has add on just as Felder does so an applies to applies isn't straightforward.? Dave
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Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 1:27 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada ?
That¡¯s a pretty broad statement James. ?Having consulted with Martin on the T60 design, and owning a Kappa 400, I can confirm there are differences in the build, but making an unqualified
statement like ¡°way better than¡± is hyperbole. ?Each machine has plusses and minuses. ?
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThat¡¯s a pretty broad statement James. ?Having consulted with Martin on the T60 design, and owning a Kappa 400, I can confirm there are differences in the build, but making an unqualified statement like ¡°way better than¡± is hyperbole. ?Each machine has plusses and minuses. ?David Best https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
Sold at?$20,800.00 CAD? plus 15% premium plus 13% tax = $ 27029 CAD = $ 21327 US. James On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:09 PM James Zhu via <james.zhu2=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Mantle Build Question
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýImran,Here¡¯s the drawing. ?Don¡¯t underestimate the racking force here. ?The brackets ended up costing $150 and took 30 minutes to fabricate. David Best https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Re: Mantle Build Question
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýTad, Thanks, that is a nice option to consider. I had not seen this before. I do prefer to distribute the weight on all studs available but keep this option in mind. Imran On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Tad Gallistel <tadg@...> wrote:
?I just ran across these hangers, the smallest would work for you: Just route a recess in the back of the mantle, screw these to the studs and drop it on. Tad
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Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
The bidding war is going strong, not a good deal at all. At US$ 22K, a Martin T-60 is way better than this Kappa 400.? James On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:28 PM Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:
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