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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing

 

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Mike,

You made the right call in my opinion. The price being demanded is for a pristine machine with everything in excellent working order.

Having said that, I have 2002 KF700 and no issues with trunion. So I personally would not walk away based upon that but if I cannot check the machine then the price has to reflect that. I completely understand that double trunion is preferred. I would not buy a used machine of this size and price if I could not test it, put a precision edge on it and check the arbor runout.

Imran

On Jan 6, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Mike Barrow via groups.io <lunatuna23@...> wrote:

?Thanks Brian for your description. I'm sure that the older trunnion may be just fine, but it does require more cleaning, lubrication and perhaps fussing with adjustments. ?That being said both saws that I reviewed were in acceptable condition and in need of attention. In need of attention from the stand point that it was difficult to tilt the saw blade and shaper trunnions. So did both saws need a good cleaning under the hood? ?Yes. ?Perhaps I could have purchased either KF700, cleaned lubricated and taken care of the issue. ?Perhaps after cleaning and lubricating I would have needed to learn how to make adjustments, repairs or have Felder service visit and spend a pretty penny adjusting or fixing a 14 to 17 year old KF700.

There are a variety of reasons why I chose not to buy these saws. ?I have learned a lot from this experience. ?I feel that a KF700 with newer double trunnions would be a better choice for me. These saws will probably make some lucky buyers very happy. It is important to do your due diligence in any machine purchase, however and my experience led me to a point were I needed to move on.


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Mike Barrow


Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing

 

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When looking at any machine that hangs the guts from the cast iron table, you want to put a straight edge across near the opening to look for any depression in the top.? Beefing up the casting is cheaper than beefing up the base so many machines now use the table to support mechanicals.? That is also aided by the smaller frame lighter weight motors and lighter components.? Some lower end machines also cheat on the table so the design isn't always better than using the base as the anchor.? Straight edges, feeler gauges, dial indicators, and a good level ( like Brian's ) are your friends.? Don't leave home without them.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mike Barrow via groups.io <lunatuna23@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:07 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
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Thanks Brian for your description. I'm sure that the older trunnion may be just fine, but it does require more cleaning, lubrication and perhaps fussing with adjustments. ?That being said both saws that I reviewed were in acceptable condition and in need of attention. In need of attention from the stand point that it was difficult to tilt the saw blade and shaper trunnions. So did both saws need a good cleaning under the hood? ?Yes. ?Perhaps I could have purchased either KF700, cleaned lubricated and taken care of the issue. ?Perhaps after cleaning and lubricating I would have needed to learn how to make adjustments, repairs or have Felder service visit and spend a pretty penny adjusting or fixing a 14 to 17 year old KF700.

There are a variety of reasons why I chose not to buy these saws. ?I have learned a lot from this experience. ?I feel that a KF700 with newer double trunnions would be a better choice for me. These saws will probably make some lucky buyers very happy. It is important to do your due diligence in any machine purchase, however and my experience led me to a point were I needed to move on.


--
Mike Barrow


Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing

 

Thanks Brian for your description. I'm sure that the older trunnion may be just fine, but it does require more cleaning, lubrication and perhaps fussing with adjustments. ?That being said both saws that I reviewed were in acceptable condition and in need of attention. In need of attention from the stand point that it was difficult to tilt the saw blade and shaper trunnions. So did both saws need a good cleaning under the hood? ?Yes. ?Perhaps I could have purchased either KF700, cleaned lubricated and taken care of the issue. ?Perhaps after cleaning and lubricating I would have needed to learn how to make adjustments, repairs or have Felder service visit and spend a pretty penny adjusting or fixing a 14 to 17 year old KF700.

There are a variety of reasons why I chose not to buy these saws. ?I have learned a lot from this experience. ?I feel that a KF700 with newer double trunnions would be a better choice for me. These saws will probably make some lucky buyers very happy. It is important to do your due diligence in any machine purchase, however and my experience led me to a point were I needed to move on.


--
Mike Barrow


Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing

 

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Brian,

I know that but I was wondering what Mike thought.

I ran 40 pound cutters on the year 2000 F700z I had with single trunnion and it worked. ?Hansjorg Felder told me the single trunnion was strong enough when I toured the Felder factory. ?

That said I would not recommend running 40 pound cutters for production but a hobby user running 6 or even 8¡± cutters on a single trunnion will be fine.

I think price is the limiting factor for this lot but I would not worry about the trunnions.?

Joe



On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:

The older machines have a single trunnion affair and it supports the whole spindle and motor system on one end of the assembly. This brings into account an adjustment nightmare dealing with ¡°angle of the dangle¡± as well as toe-in and toe-out in the other direction. Failure to get the angle correct creates all sorts of issues when tilting the saw/shaper aggregate.

All that said, my old machine is of this design and once set, it¡¯s pretty stable. If I was looking for a machine though, it would be the double trunnion machine¡­ more easily adjusted and has better longevity of settings, and with the polymer materials used in the trunnion the smoothness and easiness of tilting is considerably better.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...





On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:40 PM, bacchus6015 via??<joeinno@...> wrote:

Mike,

What are the Trunion issues?


Joe



On Jan 6, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Mike Barrow via??<lunatuna23@...> wrote:

For a lot of reasons and assistance from some amazing people on FOG, I have backed out of this deal. ?The accessories and tooling are great, but the high price, age and trunnion issues make this offering good from afar, but far from good. ?Unfortunately, the seller will not part out the tooling and/or accessories and prefers to sell as a package deal. ?

Back on the search and contemplating buying new.

Thanks to everyone for their thoughts!
--?
Mike Barrow




Re: Mantle Build Question

 

I've done similar shelf installation down and dirty with lag screws into the studs. Once driven, the heads were cut off, and holes bore in the back of the shelves with an auger bit. Squirt some PL adhesive in the holes and slide it on.

Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture

3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765

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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406


Re: Mantle Build Question

 

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David,

Thanks for the details. I guess if I were to do this, i will probably epoxy the brackets in the mantle and then bolt the verticals to the studs while keeping mantle level. This on account of my ability to free hand drill as required to do this right.

Imran

On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:22 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:

?Imran,

Here¡¯s the drawing. ?Don¡¯t underestimate the racking force here. ?The brackets ended up costing $150 and took 30 minutes to fabricate.

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David Best

https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/





On Jan 5, 2021, at 10:15 PM, imranindiana via <imranindiana@...> wrote:

After reading, I realized it would be better to screw the mantle to the blocking from top vs bottom.

Imran

On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:00 AM, imranindiana via <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?So a friend wants a live edge mantle from an Ash log. He already has the log cut on the band mill. It is 11¡± deep (sticking out from wall) and 7.5¡± tall (vertical). The mantle will be 5¡¯ long.

I can run the 11¡± wide top on the jointer and then make the back 90 deg to it. Finally run it thru planer to get the bottom parallel to the top.

I need to return each end of the mantle so will need to cut 45s. I plan to do each 45 deg cut in two passes (due to 7¡±+ thickness) with material on one side of the xcut fence and then flipped and placed on the other side of the xcut fence. I have not done this so far.

Finally i can plough a recess on the back side on all 3 pieces for mounting purpose and process a piece of wood that fits perfectly in the recess. With this piece mounted on the wall the mantle can be pushed on it and screwed from bottom. I can easily plough about 3¡± deep. Is that deep enough for a 11¡± deep mantle?

I know there are many mounting options out there but would like to find out if what i described would work?

Imran













Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing

 

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The older machines have a single trunnion affair and it supports the whole spindle and motor system on one end of the assembly. This brings into account an adjustment nightmare dealing with ¡°angle of the dangle¡± as well as toe-in and toe-out in the other direction. Failure to get the angle correct creates all sorts of issues when tilting the saw/shaper aggregate.

All that said, my old machine is of this design and once set, it¡¯s pretty stable. If I was looking for a machine though, it would be the double trunnion machine¡­ more easily adjusted and has better longevity of settings, and with the polymer materials used in the trunnion the smoothness and easiness of tilting is considerably better.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:40 PM, bacchus6015 via <joeinno@...> wrote:

Mike,

What are the Trunion issues?


Joe



On Jan 6, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Mike Barrow via <lunatuna23@...> wrote:

For a lot of reasons and assistance from some amazing people on FOG, I have backed out of this deal. ?The accessories and tooling are great, but the high price, age and trunnion issues make this offering good from afar, but far from good. ?Unfortunately, the seller will not part out the tooling and/or accessories and prefers to sell as a package deal. ?

Back on the search and contemplating buying new.

Thanks to everyone for their thoughts!
--
Mike Barrow



Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing

 

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Mike,

What are the Trunion issues?


Joe



On Jan 6, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Mike Barrow via <lunatuna23@...> wrote:

For a lot of reasons and assistance from some amazing people on FOG, I have backed out of this deal. ?The accessories and tooling are great, but the high price, age and trunnion issues make this offering good from afar, but far from good. ?Unfortunately, the seller will not part out the tooling and/or accessories and prefers to sell as a package deal. ?

Back on the search and contemplating buying new.

Thanks to everyone for their thoughts!
--
Mike Barrow


Re: Mantle Build Question

 

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For what it¡¯s worth, this is a lot of clamps, lots of ¡°bouncing¡± load like 16¡± out.

2 cabinet mounting screws into the studs, 3/4¡± French cleat. ? ?Not sure what they¡¯re doing on the mantle that would need more than that.



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On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:22 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:

?Imran,

Here¡¯s the drawing. ?Don¡¯t underestimate the racking force here. ?The brackets ended up costing $150 and took 30 minutes to fabricate.

<screenshot_4605.jpeg>



David Best

https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/





On Jan 5, 2021, at 10:15 PM, imranindiana via <imranindiana@...> wrote:

After reading, I realized it would be better to screw the mantle to the blocking from top vs bottom.

Imran

On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:00 AM, imranindiana via <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?So a friend wants a live edge mantle from an Ash log. He already has the log cut on the band mill. It is 11¡± deep (sticking out from wall) and 7.5¡± tall (vertical). The mantle will be 5¡¯ long.

I can run the 11¡± wide top on the jointer and then make the back 90 deg to it. Finally run it thru planer to get the bottom parallel to the top.

I need to return each end of the mantle so will need to cut 45s. I plan to do each 45 deg cut in two passes (due to 7¡±+ thickness) with material on one side of the xcut fence and then flipped and placed on the other side of the xcut fence. I have not done this so far.

Finally i can plough a recess on the back side on all 3 pieces for mounting purpose and process a piece of wood that fits perfectly in the recess. With this piece mounted on the wall the mantle can be pushed on it and screwed from bottom. I can easily plough about 3¡± deep. Is that deep enough for a 11¡± deep mantle?

I know there are many mounting options out there but would like to find out if what i described would work?

Imran













Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review

 

Mark,

Can you give us more colors about your reasoning of virtually going T60 instead of K940, or even T60 instead of Kappa 400 (basic no X motion). Price wise, as far as I know, a T60 with DRO is more comparable to a Kappa 400 basic.

Thanks,

Bill


Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing

 

Mike,?

I would remain patient with the seller. I think in time he will sell to you. Sometimes you need to let people test the market and become frustrated/educated on reality.?

What trunnion issue? Do you mean prior to the redesign in 2006-2008 to the double trunnion? I don¡¯t know if that¡¯s much of a flaw to be concerned about.?

Patrick

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:50 PM Mike Barrow via <lunatuna23=[email protected]> wrote:
For a lot of reasons and assistance from some amazing people on FOG, I have backed out of this deal.? The accessories and tooling are great, but the high price, age and trunnion issues make this offering good from afar, but far from good.? Unfortunately, the seller will not part out the tooling and/or accessories and prefers to sell as a package deal. ?

Back on the search and contemplating buying new.

Thanks to everyone for their thoughts!
--
Mike Barrow


Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

 

You've got to like the diesels.? We finally passed down our 1999 Mercedes E300 diesel to my son.? It has about 275,000 miles on it and going strong.
Dave Davies

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:48 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
Porsche makes BMW look transparent.? I'm still angry they screwed up the diesel market and too old to be comfortable in the 911.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 1:41 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
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The base price of all things German is pretty reasonable. But they get you with the options.? Certainly that is the case with BMW.? I do lust after a T27 but the side tenon table option is in the $10K realm.
Dave Davies

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:39 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
I'd be interested in hearing about differences, pluses, minuses, and what a comparably equiped T60 and Kappa each price out as .? Martin has add on just as Felder does so an applies to applies isn't straightforward.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of david@... via <david=[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 1:27 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
?
That¡¯s a pretty broad statement James.? Having consulted with Martin on the T60 design, and owning a Kappa 400, I can confirm there are differences in the build, but making an unqualified statement like ¡°way better than¡± is hyperbole.? Each machine has plusses and minuses. ?

David Best







On Jan 6, 2021, at 10:09 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

The bidding war is going strong, not a good deal at all. At US$ 22K, a Martin T-60 is way better than this Kappa 400.?

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James


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:28 PM Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:

I can help people estimate those frustrations

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael Garrison Stuber
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

?

Plus the time to file the insurance claim when it arrives trashed . . .?

:)

?

--

Michael Garrison Stuber

?

On 1/6/2021 9:11 AM, David Kumm wrote:

plus the cost of a pallet.? Dave

?


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via <imranindiana@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 12:05 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

?

I hr remaining - CAD$ 14K

?

Imran


On Dec 30, 2020, at 11:54 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

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45k CAD$ is 35K US$ based on the current exchange rate. I doubt Kappa 400 with the 12 foot sliding table would cost that much.

?

When I bought my KF700sp in 2016, I recall Kappa 400 was 30K+ CAD$ plus tax at that time.

?

James

?

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Rob H <rhorton@...> wrote:

That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @?FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW

ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN

-- 
Michael Garrison Stuber






--
Dave & Marie Davies

318-219-7868



--
Dave & Marie Davies

318-219-7868


Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

 

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Porsche makes BMW look transparent.? I'm still angry they screwed up the diesel market and too old to be comfortable in the 911.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 1:41 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
?
The base price of all things German is pretty reasonable. But they get you with the options.? Certainly that is the case with BMW.? I do lust after a T27 but the side tenon table option is in the $10K realm.
Dave Davies

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:39 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
I'd be interested in hearing about differences, pluses, minuses, and what a comparably equiped T60 and Kappa each price out as .? Martin has add on just as Felder does so an applies to applies isn't straightforward.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of david@... via <david=[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 1:27 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
?
That¡¯s a pretty broad statement James.? Having consulted with Martin on the T60 design, and owning a Kappa 400, I can confirm there are differences in the build, but making an unqualified statement like ¡°way better than¡± is hyperbole.? Each machine has plusses and minuses. ?

David Best







On Jan 6, 2021, at 10:09 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

The bidding war is going strong, not a good deal at all. At US$ 22K, a Martin T-60 is way better than this Kappa 400.?

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James


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:28 PM Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:

I can help people estimate those frustrations

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael Garrison Stuber
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

?

Plus the time to file the insurance claim when it arrives trashed . . .?

:)

?

--

Michael Garrison Stuber

?

On 1/6/2021 9:11 AM, David Kumm wrote:

plus the cost of a pallet.? Dave

?


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via <imranindiana@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 12:05 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

?

I hr remaining - CAD$ 14K

?

Imran


On Dec 30, 2020, at 11:54 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

?

45k CAD$ is 35K US$ based on the current exchange rate. I doubt Kappa 400 with the 12 foot sliding table would cost that much.

?

When I bought my KF700sp in 2016, I recall Kappa 400 was 30K+ CAD$ plus tax at that time.

?

James

?

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Rob H <rhorton@...> wrote:

That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @?FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW

ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN

-- 
Michael Garrison Stuber






--
Dave & Marie Davies

318-219-7868


Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

 

The base price of all things German is pretty reasonable. But they get you with the options.? Certainly that is the case with BMW.? I do lust after a T27 but the side tenon table option is in the $10K realm.
Dave Davies

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:39 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
I'd be interested in hearing about differences, pluses, minuses, and what a comparably equiped T60 and Kappa each price out as .? Martin has add on just as Felder does so an applies to applies isn't straightforward.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of david@... via <david=[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 1:27 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
?
That¡¯s a pretty broad statement James.? Having consulted with Martin on the T60 design, and owning a Kappa 400, I can confirm there are differences in the build, but making an unqualified statement like ¡°way better than¡± is hyperbole.? Each machine has plusses and minuses. ?

David Best







On Jan 6, 2021, at 10:09 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

The bidding war is going strong, not a good deal at all. At US$ 22K, a Martin T-60 is way better than this Kappa 400.?

<Capture.JPG>

James


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:28 PM Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:

I can help people estimate those frustrations

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael Garrison Stuber
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

?

Plus the time to file the insurance claim when it arrives trashed . . .?

:)

?

--

Michael Garrison Stuber

?

On 1/6/2021 9:11 AM, David Kumm wrote:

plus the cost of a pallet.? Dave

?


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via <imranindiana@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 12:05 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

?

I hr remaining - CAD$ 14K

?

Imran


On Dec 30, 2020, at 11:54 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

?

45k CAD$ is 35K US$ based on the current exchange rate. I doubt Kappa 400 with the 12 foot sliding table would cost that much.

?

When I bought my KF700sp in 2016, I recall Kappa 400 was 30K+ CAD$ plus tax at that time.

?

James

?

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Rob H <rhorton@...> wrote:

That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @?FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW

ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN

-- 
Michael Garrison Stuber






--
Dave & Marie Davies

318-219-7868


Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

 

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I'd be interested in hearing about differences, pluses, minuses, and what a comparably equiped T60 and Kappa each price out as .? Martin has add on just as Felder does so an applies to applies isn't straightforward.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of david@... via groups.io <david@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 1:27 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada
?
That¡¯s a pretty broad statement James. ?Having consulted with Martin on the T60 design, and owning a Kappa 400, I can confirm there are differences in the build, but making an unqualified statement like ¡°way better than¡± is hyperbole. ?Each machine has plusses and minuses. ?

David Best

https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/





On Jan 6, 2021, at 10:09 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

The bidding war is going strong, not a good deal at all. At US$ 22K, a Martin T-60 is way better than this Kappa 400.?

<Capture.JPG>

James


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:28 PM Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:

I can help people estimate those frustrations

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael Garrison Stuber
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

?

Plus the time to file the insurance claim when it arrives trashed . . .?

:)

?

--

Michael Garrison Stuber

?

On 1/6/2021 9:11 AM, David Kumm wrote:

plus the cost of a pallet.? Dave

?


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via <imranindiana@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 12:05 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

?

I hr remaining - CAD$ 14K

?

Imran


On Dec 30, 2020, at 11:54 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

?

45k CAD$ is 35K US$ based on the current exchange rate. I doubt Kappa 400 with the 12 foot sliding table would cost that much.

?

When I bought my KF700sp in 2016, I recall Kappa 400 was 30K+ CAD$ plus tax at that time.

?

James

?

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Rob H <rhorton@...> wrote:

That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @?FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW

ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN

-- 
Michael Garrison Stuber





Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

 

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That¡¯s a pretty broad statement James. ?Having consulted with Martin on the T60 design, and owning a Kappa 400, I can confirm there are differences in the build, but making an unqualified statement like ¡°way better than¡± is hyperbole. ?Each machine has plusses and minuses. ?

David Best

https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/





On Jan 6, 2021, at 10:09 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

The bidding war is going strong, not a good deal at all. At US$ 22K, a Martin T-60 is way better than this Kappa 400.?

<Capture.JPG>

James


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:28 PM Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:

I can help people estimate those frustrations

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael Garrison Stuber
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

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Plus the time to file the insurance claim when it arrives trashed . . .?

:)

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Michael Garrison Stuber

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On 1/6/2021 9:11 AM, David Kumm wrote:

plus the cost of a pallet.? Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via <imranindiana@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 12:05 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

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I hr remaining - CAD$ 14K

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Imran


On Dec 30, 2020, at 11:54 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

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45k CAD$ is 35K US$ based on the current exchange rate. I doubt Kappa 400 with the 12 foot sliding table would cost that much.

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When I bought my KF700sp in 2016, I recall Kappa 400 was 30K+ CAD$ plus tax at that time.

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James

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On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Rob H <rhorton@...> wrote:

That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @?FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW

ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN

-- 
Michael Garrison Stuber





Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

 

Sold at?$20,800.00 CAD? plus 15% premium plus 13% tax = $ 27029 CAD = $ 21327 US.

James

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:09 PM James Zhu via <james.zhu2=[email protected]> wrote:
The bidding war is going strong, not a good deal at all. At US$ 22K, a Martin T-60 is way better than this Kappa 400.?

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James


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:28 PM Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:

I can help people estimate those frustrations

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael Garrison Stuber
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

?

Plus the time to file the insurance claim when it arrives trashed . . .?

:)

?

--

Michael Garrison Stuber

?

On 1/6/2021 9:11 AM, David Kumm wrote:

plus the cost of a pallet.? Dave

?


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via <imranindiana@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 12:05 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

?

I hr remaining - CAD$ 14K

?

Imran


On Dec 30, 2020, at 11:54 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

?

45k CAD$ is 35K US$ based on the current exchange rate. I doubt Kappa 400 with the 12 foot sliding table would cost that much.

?

When I bought my KF700sp in 2016, I recall Kappa 400 was 30K+ CAD$ plus tax at that time.

?

James

?

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Rob H <rhorton@...> wrote:

That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @?FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW

ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN

-- 
Michael Garrison Stuber


Re: Mantle Build Question

 

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Imran,

Here¡¯s the drawing. ?Don¡¯t underestimate the racking force here. ?The brackets ended up costing $150 and took 30 minutes to fabricate.




David Best

https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/





On Jan 5, 2021, at 10:15 PM, imranindiana via <imranindiana@...> wrote:

After reading, I realized it would be better to screw the mantle to the blocking from top vs bottom.

Imran

On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:00 AM, imranindiana via <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?So a friend wants a live edge mantle from an Ash log. He already has the log cut on the band mill. It is 11¡± deep (sticking out from wall) and 7.5¡± tall (vertical). The mantle will be 5¡¯ long.

I can run the 11¡± wide top on the jointer and then make the back 90 deg to it. Finally run it thru planer to get the bottom parallel to the top.

I need to return each end of the mantle so will need to cut 45s. I plan to do each 45 deg cut in two passes (due to 7¡±+ thickness) with material on one side of the xcut fence and then flipped and placed on the other side of the xcut fence. I have not done this so far.

Finally i can plough a recess on the back side on all 3 pieces for mounting purpose and process a piece of wood that fits perfectly in the recess. With this piece mounted on the wall the mantle can be pushed on it and screwed from bottom. I can easily plough about 3¡± deep. Is that deep enough for a 11¡± deep mantle?

I know there are many mounting options out there but would like to find out if what i described would work?

Imran













Re: Mantle Build Question

 

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Tad,

Thanks, that is a nice option to consider. I had not seen this before. I do prefer to distribute the weight on all studs available but keep this option in mind.

Imran

On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Tad Gallistel <tadg@...> wrote:

?I just ran across these hangers, the smallest would work for you:


Just route a recess in the back of the mantle, screw these to the studs and drop it on.

Tad

On Jan 5, 2021, at 10:15 PM, imranindiana via <imranindiana@...> wrote:

After reading, I realized it would be better to screw the mantle to the blocking from top vs bottom.

Imran

On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:00 AM, imranindiana via <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?So a friend wants a live edge mantle from an Ash log. He already has the log cut on the band mill. It is 11¡± deep (sticking out from wall) and 7.5¡± tall (vertical). The mantle will be 5¡¯ long.

I can run the 11¡± wide top on the jointer and then make the back 90 deg to it. Finally run it thru planer to get the bottom parallel to the top.

I need to return each end of the mantle so will need to cut 45s. I plan to do each 45 deg cut in two passes (due to 7¡±+ thickness) with material on one side of the xcut fence and then flipped and placed on the other side of the xcut fence. I have not done this so far.

Finally i can plough a recess on the back side on all 3 pieces for mounting purpose and process a piece of wood that fits perfectly in the recess. With this piece mounted on the wall the mantle can be pushed on it and screwed from bottom. I can easily plough about 3¡± deep. Is that deep enough for a 11¡± deep mantle?

I know there are many mounting options out there but would like to find out if what i described would work?

Imran













Re: Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

 

The bidding war is going strong, not a good deal at all. At US$ 22K, a Martin T-60 is way better than this Kappa 400.?

Capture.JPG

James


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:28 PM Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:

I can help people estimate those frustrations

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael Garrison Stuber
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

?

Plus the time to file the insurance claim when it arrives trashed . . .?

:)

?

--

Michael Garrison Stuber

?

On 1/6/2021 9:11 AM, David Kumm wrote:

plus the cost of a pallet.? Dave

?


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via <imranindiana@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 12:05 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Machinery Max: 2019-FELDER-FORMAT-KAPPA-400 - Toronto Canada

?

I hr remaining - CAD$ 14K

?

Imran


On Dec 30, 2020, at 11:54 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

?

45k CAD$ is 35K US$ based on the current exchange rate. I doubt Kappa 400 with the 12 foot sliding table would cost that much.

?

When I bought my KF700sp in 2016, I recall Kappa 400 was 30K+ CAD$ plus tax at that time.

?

James

?

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Rob H <rhorton@...> wrote:

That is a nice saw. in the ad it list the price new @?FELDER Model KAPPA 400 SLIDING SAW

ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE....APPROX $ 45,000 CDN

-- 
Michael Garrison Stuber