Re: Motor plate experts

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Joe,

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I am pretty sure both motor labels say they are 250-277V when delta connected and 440-480V when Y connected – (60 Hz).

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Do you see a pictorial that shows how to connect motor leads for delta power?

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I am not knowledgeable enough to know if 230V that you have is okay for the 250V min rating on the motor plate.

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Imran

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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Joe Jensen
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 3:55 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FOG] Motor plate experts

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The Langzauner sander machine tag says 3 phase 460V.? The specs in the manual say 400V 3 phase. ?The power junction box on the machine is labeled 480V, looks like this is from the last shop.? Ideally I can rewire for 240V three phase.? My power supply is utility Delta 230V 3 Phase.

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Machine tag, and two motor tags pics attached.? I’m and electrical engineer who has been a business person for 25 years so I’m not fluent in this stuff today.? Looks like at least these two motors can run in the 250V range.? Does the tag specify delta power?? I see some step up transformers are 240V Delta 2 phase in and 480V WYE out.?

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I don’t yet have it off the pallet to check the other bits.?

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Motor plate experts

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The Langzauner sander machine tag says 3 phase 460V.? The specs in the manual say 400V 3 phase. ?The power junction box on the machine is labeled 480V, looks like this is from the last shop.? Ideally I can rewire for 240V three phase.? My power supply is utility Delta 230V 3 Phase.

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Machine tag, and two motor tags pics attached.? I’m and electrical engineer who has been a business person for 25 years so I’m not fluent in this stuff today.? Looks like at least these two motors can run in the 250V range.? Does the tag specify delta power?? I see some step up transformers are 240V Delta 2 phase in and 480V WYE out.?

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I don’t yet have it off the pallet to check the other bits.?

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Re: Langzauner Sander Delivery - Warning on Machinery Max Palletization

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I know its not as 'professional', but this is why i prefer Ushippers with a janky trailer and missing teeth. Direct transport from pickup to drop off typically offers less chances for bumps, drops, or other oopsies. Is the door on the front jacked up now??

Thankfully, with most high end industrial machines, you really have to be a bone head to truly hurt them. Other than the front door being bent, i doubt the 3.5" fall to the side hurt it. Sorry, man, shipping machines sucks.

Patrick

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On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 1:37 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:

That is horrible.? I didn't like Machinery Max before but this is beyond incompetence.? It is sad when the rare machine you search a long time for is in the hands of these people.? Dave

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 1:01 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [FOG] Langzauner Sander Delivery - Warning on Machinery Max Palletization
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Warning to all who buy online auction items from Machinery Max.? I paid to have this palletized.? Spoke with the guy at the ship out site who is an employee of Machinery Max to ensure he would put blocking under the machine feet so the machine would not break through the pallet.? He assured me he always does this and it would not be an issue. I pushed again telling him the last machine I had palletized indeed fell through the pallet.? He said he was the only Machinery Max person there and the only one palletizing and loading and to not worry.

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This is what was delivered.?

No blocking under the legs of the machine.?
Just ?” of MDF added to the top of the pallet for a 640KG machine.? Loose parts just laying on top of the machine, are they all even there??
Machine broke through which was certain to happen,? Trucking company had to put a second pallet under.

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How in any world is this palletization acceptable?? I was assured it would be correctly palletized.? The machine is now much more beat up that in the auction pics.? Not sure I have any recourse.? I did buy $10,000 of coverage for shipping but it was not the shipper’s fault.

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Joe Jensen ?| VP Internet of Things Group?| GM Retail Banking Hospitality and Education

480-554-8207–翱蹿蹿颈肠别 | 480-231-0669–颁别濒濒 ?

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Re: Langzauner Sander Delivery - Warning on Machinery Max Palletization

#112088

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That is horrible.? I didn't like Machinery Max before but this is beyond incompetence.? It is sad when the rare machine you search a long time for is in the hands of these people.? Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 1:01 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [FOG] Langzauner Sander Delivery - Warning on Machinery Max Palletization

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Warning to all who buy online auction items from Machinery Max.? I paid to have this palletized.? Spoke with the guy at the ship out site who is an employee of Machinery Max to ensure he would put blocking under the machine feet so the machine would not break through the pallet.? He assured me he always does this and it would not be an issue. I pushed again telling him the last machine I had palletized indeed fell through the pallet.? He said he was the only Machinery Max person there and the only one palletizing and loading and to not worry.

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This is what was delivered.?

No blocking under the legs of the machine.?
Just ?” of MDF added to the top of the pallet for a 640KG machine.? Loose parts just laying on top of the machine, are they all even there??
Machine broke through which was certain to happen,? Trucking company had to put a second pallet under.

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How in any world is this palletization acceptable?? I was assured it would be correctly palletized.? The machine is now much more beat up that in the auction pics.? Not sure I have any recourse.? I did buy $10,000 of coverage for shipping but it was not the shipper’s fault.

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Joe Jensen ?| VP Internet of Things Group?| GM Retail Banking Hospitality and Education

480-554-8207–翱蹿蹿颈肠别 | 480-231-0669–颁别濒濒 ?

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Re: Langzauner Sander Delivery - Warning on Machinery Max Palletization

#112087

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If you paid for it to be done, then your only recourse is with Machinery Max the way I see it. That sucks… MDF should never have been used, only plywood or maybe thick OSB.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com

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On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:01 AM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:

Warning to all who buy online auction items from Machinery Max.? I paid to have this palletized.? Spoke with the guy at the ship out site who is an employee of Machinery Max to ensure he would put blocking under the machine feet so the machine would not break through the pallet.? He assured me he always does this and it would not be an issue. I pushed again telling him the last machine I had palletized indeed fell through the pallet.? He said he was the only Machinery Max person there and the only one palletizing and loading and to not worry.
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This is what was delivered.?
No blocking under the legs of the machine.?
Just ?” of MDF added to the top of the pallet for a 640KG machine.? Loose parts just laying on top of the machine, are they all even there??
Machine broke through which was certain to happen,? Trucking company had to put a second pallet under.
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How in any world is this palletization acceptable?? I was assured it would be correctly palletized.? The machine is now much more beat up that in the auction pics.? Not sure I have any recourse.? I did buy $10,000 of coverage for shipping but it was not the shipper’s fault.
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Joe Jensen??|?VP Internet of Things?Group?|?GM Retail Banking Hospitality and Education
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Re: Langzauner Sander Delivery - Warning on Machinery Max Palletization

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Wow, that's bad. Especially since you already had the conversation. I can't remember any time MDF was a suitable structural subfloor over an "open top" pallet,?though I have seen it as just a "scuff pad" over a proper?structural?top. I'm also surprised the pallet top boards aren't?hardwood at least. There's a lot of cheaping out there if you paid for palletization, in my opinion. For the amount of money involved, I'd strongly consider suing to get your "buyer's premium" back.

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Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110

314.772.2167
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Langzauner Sander Delivery - Warning on Machinery Max Palletization

#112085

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Warning to all who buy online auction items from Machinery Max.? I paid to have this palletized.? Spoke with the guy at the ship out site who is an employee of Machinery Max to ensure he would put blocking under the machine feet so the machine would not break through the pallet.? He assured me he always does this and it would not be an issue. I pushed again telling him the last machine I had palletized indeed fell through the pallet.? He said he was the only Machinery Max person there and the only one palletizing and loading and to not worry.

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This is what was delivered.?

No blocking under the legs of the machine.?
Just ?” of MDF added to the top of the pallet for a 640KG machine.? Loose parts just laying on top of the machine, are they all even there??
Machine broke through which was certain to happen,? Trucking company had to put a second pallet under.

?

How in any world is this palletization acceptable?? I was assured it would be correctly palletized.? The machine is now much more beat up that in the auction pics.? Not sure I have any recourse.? I did buy $10,000 of coverage for shipping but it was not the shipper’s fault.

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Joe Jensen ?| VP Internet of Things Group?| GM Retail Banking Hospitality and Education

480-554-8207–翱蹿蹿颈肠别 | 480-231-0669–颁别濒濒 ?

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Re: Slider support leg question #sawsetup

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Thank you all for the advice. I have the Survival Guide and have watched several videos. With only 2 sets of bolts to adjust, I feel ready for the challenge.

This forum is a great source of information!

Re: Value of a piece

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?????? Well this is an interesting subject. I think I tend to separate art from craft. An artist usually would not paint the exact same picture and keep selling it. So I would view Sam as a very artistic craftsman who started a whole style of woodworking. I would think the new chairs by the Johnson family would actually be a Maloof knock off technically and they would be worth what ever the market will bear. I own a Taylor guitar and it's made in a factory, the price of Taylor guitars keeps going up and I've noticed the price of used Taylors has increased also. I would think the same might be true for a Maloof designed chair by the Johnson family. Value depends on the market and the popularity of the company and products more than the fact that it was designed by Sam.

Re: Fine Adjustment for Rip Fence on Hammer B3

Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq.

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the fence I got on my Hammmer was shit? pure shit totally and completely worthless junk that seemed to have been designed? and engineered by some one's 12 year old on bring? your child to work day.

I tore it off my saw and made a replacement that I like? way better?? It is sort of like the Super Cool Tools Euro saw fence but substantially? better.

Take a look at super cool tools?? you? might like that better.??

On 12/15/20 11:56 PM, Brian wrote:

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I recently picked up a slightly used (2017) Hammer B3 Winner.? I'm considering adding the Fine Adjustment mechanism that Felder sells.? The original owner added a Wixey DRO, so there could be some added benefit to being able to make precise adjustments.? (I'm still deciding if the Wixey is worth some of its quirks).? I've looked for posts about this option, but can't seemed to find any.? It's $201 on Felder's website, which is I guess reasonable for Felder.? It looks pretty simple, 2 threaded knobs, nuts, washers, and a piece of machined steel that slides on the guide rail and the knobs thread onto.? Any thoughts or experience using it on your Hammer's would be appreciated.

I'm also looking for a blade guard.? The stock one was damaged, so I can either order a replacement from Felder ($75) or look at other alternatives.? I'm planning to hook up dust collection to it, so an alternative would need to work that.??

Thanks

Re: Fine Adjustment for Rip Fence on Hammer B3

#112081

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Every time I see that picture it makes me cringe, do the fiama and be done with it...

Regards, Mark

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On Dec 17, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Steve Wurster <steven.m.wurster@...> wrote:

?Brian,

Here's a picture of how Derek Cohen added a Wikey to his K3.? Searching on Sawmill Creek is done better via Google and the "site:sawmillcreek.org" option.

Steve

Re: Fine Adjustment for Rip Fence on Hammer B3

#112080

Brian,

Here's a picture of how Derek Cohen added a Wikey to his K3.? Searching on Sawmill Creek is done better via Google and the "site:sawmillcreek.org" option.

Steve

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Re: Fine Adjustment for Rip Fence on Hammer B3

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On 16/12/2020 05:56, Brian wrote:
It looks pretty simple, 2 threaded knobs, nuts, washers, and a piece of machined steel that slides on the guide rail and the knobs thread onto.? Any thoughts or experience using it on your Hammer's would be appreciated.It does indeed.

Found this at the other FOG (Festool Owner Group) in the past where a five slide installation instruction from Felder was posted:

;board=other-tools-accessories;topic=hammer-k3-winner-micro-adjustment-help.0

Regards,

Jonathan

Re: Fine Adjustment for Rip Fence on Hammer B3

#112078

Thank for your reply Brian ??
I’ll try and dive more into Wixey DRO to see what other users experience?
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Regards,

Mikkel

Re: Slider support leg question #sawsetup

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This might be a bit more helpful. ? The legs should only be brought up under the lower carriage to support the sliding table in the last 20 percent of travel each direction. ?And I mean “support” not “adjust”. ????

David Best

https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/

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On Dec 16, 2020, at 8:26 PM, imranindiana via <imranindiana@...> wrote:

slider calibration is detailed in survival guide. i could be wrong but my thought on these legs is that they are intended to prevent sagging of the base extrusion ends under load. i personally would do slider calibration with the legs neutrally snug to the floor. a key element of slider calibration is to remember that there is a carrier between the slider and the base and that is the only area of contact between the two. so if the slider is in the middle and let’s say you adjust infeed leg up to align it with cast iron. it will have an affect on the slider when the slider is pulled fully towards the infeed. this is when the carrier will be on infeed end of the base and the slider will be going uphill (to exaggerate) causing front of slider to rise and rear to dip. this is the reason, i personally would keep these legs neutral and perform calibration. if the base is straight, which it should be, one should not have to use these legs for calibration purposes.

here are the key elements of slider calibration. this is a complicated job, so to be clear following is just to hit the salient points and is not a detailed procedure to carry out a calibration. to illustrate this point, a full calibration starts with setting slider trajectory which is not even a part of this post.

1. there are either two or four pairs of adjustment bolts between chassis and slider base extrusion.

with slider in middle of travel:
1-a. use inside bolt (nearer to cast iron) to set slider edge near CI to the desired height above CI table.
1-b. use outside bolt to make slider coplaner to the CI.

now slide slider towards rear so that the carrier is in the middle of the rear 2 pairs of bolts. check height and coplanarity and adjust aa needed. repeat with slider pulled towards front such that the carrier is between the front 2 pairs of bolts.

Hope this helps.

Imran

On Dec 16, 2020, at 10:40 PM, Bill James via <xxrb2010@...> wrote:

?Tony,

If at the infeed side the slider is too high vs the cast iron, you can push the outfeed leg/slide base up and this will make the slider goes down at the infeed side. However, do not push it too much as you will have now your outfeed side too high vs the cast iron.

You can play a bit with it like a couple of thousand variation.

Bill

Re: Slider support leg question #sawsetup

#112076

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That leg on the K500 sliding table carriage is there to keep the machine from tipping over when the slider is fully extended. ?The chassis on the K500 is not large or heavy enough to push a long sliding table out to it’s end stroke with a big load on it. ? The same legs are used on the 940 and Kappa 400 with 12-foot slider.

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On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:39 PM, Bill James via <xxrb2010@...> wrote:

Yes, the longest slider with the K500 comes with it.

Not sure how useful it is, but I put them on my saw.

Bill

Re: Slider support leg question #sawsetup

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Imran is correct, the legs are the last step after you have fully tuned your slider with the 4 bolts on the frame.

On my saw (K500) after full calibration without any leg, I still had a variation of 6 thousand (+-3) with a full stroke. I was able to play with the legs to remove 1 to 2 thousand play. If I remember correctly, my slider is now 6 or so thousand above the cast iron to allow for this (+- 2/3) variation at full stroke. My goal was to reduce the variation and end up with 1 to 2 thousand above the cast iron at the lowest (no pinching).

Keep in mind this is a K500 that is much more flexible than a K700, which in turn is more flexible than a 900, which in turn I guess is more flexible than a Kappa.

Bill

Re: Slider support leg question #sawsetup

#112074

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slider calibration is detailed in survival guide. i could be wrong but my thought on these legs is that they are intended to prevent sagging of the base extrusion ends under load. i personally would do slider calibration with the legs neutrally snug to the floor. a key element of slider calibration is to remember that there is a carrier between the slider and the base and that is the only area of contact between the two. so if the slider is in the middle and let’s say you adjust infeed leg up to align it with cast iron. it will have an affect on the slider when the slider is pulled fully towards the infeed. this is when the carrier will be on infeed end of the base and the slider will be going uphill (to exaggerate) causing front of slider to rise and rear to dip. this is the reason, i personally would keep these legs neutral and perform calibration. if the base is straight, which it should be, one should not have to use these legs for calibration purposes.

here are the key elements of slider calibration. this is a complicated job, so to be clear following is just to hit the salient points and is not a detailed procedure to carry out a calibration. to illustrate this point, a full calibration starts with setting slider trajectory which is not even a part of this post.

1. there are either two or four pairs of adjustment bolts between chassis and slider base extrusion.

with slider in middle of travel:

1-a. use inside bolt (nearer to cast iron) to set slider edge near CI to the desired height above CI table.

1-b. use outside bolt to make slider coplaner to the CI.

now slide slider towards rear so that the carrier is in the middle of the rear 2 pairs of bolts. check height and coplanarity and adjust aa needed. repeat with slider pulled towards front such that the carrier is between the front 2 pairs of bolts.

Hope this helps.

Imran

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On Dec 16, 2020, at 10:40 PM, Bill James via groups.io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:

?Tony,

If at the infeed side the slider is too high vs the cast iron, you can push the outfeed leg/slide base up and this will make the slider goes down at the infeed side. However, do not push it too much as you will have now your outfeed side too high vs the cast iron.

You can play a bit with it like a couple of thousand variation.

Bill

Re: Thoughts on going from K500 P to K700 S

#112073

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Yes Kundig makes two, the Uniq and the Uniq S.? the S has the feed belt.? The Either Kundig or the Langzauner were on my list

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Kumm
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 3:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Thoughts on going from K500 P to K700 S

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There was a Kundig version of your edge sander.? Unique ?? Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 3:40 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Thoughts on going from K500 P to K700 S

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Wow, I lust after that machine but I don’t have enough dust collection to run a 43” triple head.? Probably fine with a double 37”

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joe Jensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 1:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Thoughts on going from K500 P to K700 S

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No, what are they selling?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Kumm
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 1:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Thoughts on going from K500 P to K700 S

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Joe, did you see the sander on Woodweb from 360?? dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 3:08 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Thoughts on going from K500 P to K700 S

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I just bought a production edge sander for over $9K counting auction premium and shipping and I’m a hobbiest.? Why. I hate sanding, nearly all projects have edges to sand, and I wanted it ?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of JP Rice via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 7:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Thoughts on going from K500 P to K700 S

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I truly appreciate all the comments

Re: Slider support leg question #sawsetup

#112072

Tony,

If at the infeed side the slider is too high vs the cast iron, you can push the outfeed leg/slide base up and this will make the slider goes down at the infeed side. However, do not push it too much as you will have now your outfeed side too high vs the cast iron.

You can play a bit with it like a couple of thousand variation.

Bill