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Tools needed for custom kitchen building
Hi,
I might need to do a really good custom kitchen and I am wondering which tools are "required" and help achieving a great result. The kitchen in question will be painted - shaker style - inset. So, I guess your assembly should be in the 1/10 of mm in precision otherwise you will see the defaults. Before someone propose manual tools, I should add that I am not looking for tools that need 10 years of practice to reach an acceptable result. Nor looking for the most high end tool used in multi million dollar plants. I am looking for dumb proof tools in term of result, just need some basic common sense and know how to correctly setup a tool. So far I consider a sliding table saw a dumb proof tool, same for a planer (US convention), a little less for a jointer, but I am progressing. I watch a lot of videos from people doing so in a custom professional setup or just for hobby and so far came up with this list: - Sliding table saw for cabinet box, ripping and crosscutting frame. Dados in frame can be helpful with boxes assembly assuming constant height of plywood (does it really exist). I do not list a CNC here as I believe a sliding table saw is more of a jack of all trade tool vs a CNC. DROs help dumb proof the results. At least K700 or K940 should be the level that allows to achieve the needed precision in a dumb proof way. - Pocket style joint with castle and not (kreg) for face frame - Maybe domino for frame and other alignments - Jointer/planer to get the hardwood for the frame and 4 of 5 pieces door/drawer fronts flat and constant height. DRO should help dump proof the result if needed to go back planing more hardwood. Anything you can tune easily is highly regarded. I guess at least separate and A951 if Felder. - Shaper to get the style and rail and maybe the style and rail rip. DRO help positioning the height of the cutter and if needed to go back making more style and rail. I am not sure about the style of shaper: with sliding table or not. With a sliding table I guess you can use your DRO parallel fences instead of a thickness stop Aigner. - Wide belt sander to sand the assembled door and drawer fronts and why not the small assembled frame parts. Do you go open ended 17" something, or do you go 37" entry level as long as it sand flat. I read the issue with the 950 classic from Felder. Also, I do not plan to go above RL200 so no pulse air cleaning, no Cyclone, and thus no expensive and advanced Wide Belt Sander. I read some people liking the basic Houfek or SCM. - Random Orbital Sander to go after the Wide Belt Sander grit, something like up to 240 for ROS before paint and up to 400 after paint. - Edge sander to sand the edge of the door and drawer front and other edge if needed (drawer frame) - Spray painting if cannot find a local painter who knows how to paint cabinetry or if the price is not competitive. Not sure about this one as there is some learning curve for spray paint from my readings, but I guess you can always lightly sand and repaint assuming you have a wide belt - Assembly table with some way to clamp flat and square. I like what David has done with certiflat products. It looks like an "easy" to way to achieve flatness that will stay flat for a long time and it seems dumb proof as long as you are ok using a welder and how to check flatness - Compressor depending on the need of the other tools: spray paint and wide belt Looking forward to your comments/feedback, PS: Not looking to justify buying the tools as I will also get the kitchen priced and figure out if that make sense in my personal case. Just looking to understand which tools are useful for such a kitchen. Bill |
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Thanks for the input on Sam and his Rockers.. I do however, have to say that not all of his chairs sat where the rocker touched the ground just below the rear leg. perhaps on his classic rockers but on these prototypes, where Sam's chair rested.. mine did as well.? I have enclosed pictures of 2 of his rockers to show where exactly they landed and stood. I have known Sam since my 20's..I'm in my late 50's now and have spent a lot of time with Sam even going to dinner alone with him. The stories you have heard are in fact, correct.. Sam had his "moments" according to the boys. but Sam was also a perfectionist and as we all know, artist and perfectionist tend to be temperamental to say the least.
On Monday, December 7, 2020, 09:10:51 AM PST, t d <tdonsker@...> wrote:
Also... beautiful work. And a quick observation. The easiest way to tell an authentic Maloof is the way the chair sits without an occupant. You will notice that with authentic Maloof chairs, the rocker touches the ground just below the rear leg. Recreations tend to lean forward, balancing below the front or center of the legs as yours does. I have never made a Maloof but have always loved and even sat in a couple of them. They are the epitome of comfort and i can still remember the feeling of the wooden back supports flexing to the shape of my spine. If you haven¡¯t already, take a look at the last chair Sam built. A chaise rocker. Arguably his best chair design ever. I recall a documentary about him saying he was working on it late one night and could not get back up, spending the night on the floor until his team found him the next day. He was a true craftsman, working until he couldn¡¯t anymore.? I had the pleasure of hanging out with his second in command (he worked with Sam for 30+ Years) and it was rather interesting to hear the behind the scenes gossip and not so great stories of Maloof. It only tainted his reputation slightly for me as he was at the end of the day a businessman, and the most sought after American craftsman for a large part of his career. The ego filled by the compliments of presidents can be brutal.? I was fortunate to meet Mike Mallory and his son at a show at LAX airport where my own chair was selected and displayed with Maloof¡¯s and a select group. If you haven't heard of John Nyquist, look him up. He was a contemporary of Maloof and Nakashima and even had one of his apprentices stolen by Maloof when times were tough and he could not stay busy. Nyquist was almost equal in design talent and equal in craftsmanship but terrible at marketing himself. His ladder back chairs echoed Maloofs rockers, but at the end of the day they all stemmed from the classic Windsor chair. Even Nakashima¡¯s chairs stem from the Windsor. I find that very interesting. One could argue almost all modern chairs do as well.? I spent a few afternoons with John at his humble studio before he passed last year. The stories were incredible and he was the humblest person I¡¯ve ever met. I assume in part because he never ¡°made it¡± in furniture like Maloof or Nakashima. He sold me several slabs of Walnut and billets of ebony. When I got him to sit down and price it he said, ¡°I paid $3.50 per bdft thirty years ago. I inaudibly gasped and held my tongue before saying ?DEAL. He went on to say, ¡°but I won¡¯t charge you nearly that much.¡± I think we all owe a impossible to pay debt of gratitude to these small studio craftsmen, and the recreation of their work is an excellent way to do so. Inspiring and mentoring young craftsmen is imperative as well. I was told that Sam was all too harsh on his son Oliver and that every piece Oliver showed with pride was smacked down by Maloof. It¡¯s important to learn from that and to not be overly critical with young craftsmen. I know that I myself began my career that way and have been conscious of that story especially given my own situation having a small boy.? Enough rambling, I hope you all can enjoy my own memories and stories of the legends. My career has provided me with several opportunities to learn some of the lesser known details of our collective heroes.? Taylor Donsker www.tdonsker.com 818.424.9046 On Dec 7, 2020, at 8:42 AM, t d via groups.io <tdonsker@...> wrote:
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýAlso... beautiful work. And a quick observation. The easiest way to tell an authentic Maloof is the way the chair sits without an occupant. You will notice that with authentic Maloof chairs, the rocker touches the ground just below the rear leg. Recreations tend to lean forward, balancing below the front or center of the legs as yours does.I have never made a Maloof but have always loved and even sat in a couple of them. They are the epitome of comfort and i can still remember the feeling of the wooden back supports flexing to the shape of my spine. If you haven¡¯t already, take a look at the last chair Sam built. A chaise rocker. Arguably his best chair design ever. I recall a documentary about him saying he was working on it late one night and could not get back up, spending the night on the floor until his team found him the next day. He was a true craftsman, working until he couldn¡¯t anymore.? I had the pleasure of hanging out with his second in command (he worked with Sam for 30+ Years) and it was rather interesting to hear the behind the scenes gossip and not so great stories of Maloof. It only tainted his reputation slightly for me as he was at the end of the day a businessman, and the most sought after American craftsman for a large part of his career. The ego filled by the compliments of presidents can be brutal.? I was fortunate to meet Mike Mallory and his son at a show at LAX airport where my own chair was selected and displayed with Maloof¡¯s and a select group. If you haven't heard of John Nyquist, look him up. He was a contemporary of Maloof and Nakashima and even had one of his apprentices stolen by Maloof when times were tough and he could not stay busy. Nyquist was almost equal in design talent and equal in craftsmanship but terrible at marketing himself. His ladder back chairs echoed Maloofs rockers, but at the end of the day they all stemmed from the classic Windsor chair. Even Nakashima¡¯s chairs stem from the Windsor. I find that very interesting. One could argue almost all modern chairs do as well.? I spent a few afternoons with John at his humble studio before he passed last year. The stories were incredible and he was the humblest person I¡¯ve ever met. I assume in part because he never ¡°made it¡± in furniture like Maloof or Nakashima. He sold me several slabs of Walnut and billets of ebony. When I got him to sit down and price it he said, ¡°I paid $3.50 per bdft thirty years ago. I inaudibly gasped and held my tongue before saying ?DEAL. He went on to say, ¡°but I won¡¯t charge you nearly that much.¡± I think we all owe a impossible to pay debt of gratitude to these small studio craftsmen, and the recreation of their work is an excellent way to do so. Inspiring and mentoring young craftsmen is imperative as well. I was told that Sam was all too harsh on his son Oliver and that every piece Oliver showed with pride was smacked down by Maloof. It¡¯s important to learn from that and to not be overly critical with young craftsmen. I know that I myself began my career that way and have been conscious of that story especially given my own situation having a small boy.? Enough rambling, I hope you all can enjoy my own memories and stories of the legends. My career has provided me with several opportunities to learn some of the lesser known details of our collective heroes.? Taylor Donsker www.tdonsker.com 818.424.9046 On Dec 7, 2020, at 8:42 AM, t d via groups.io <tdonsker@...> wrote:
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýAll that matters is what feels better on that ass.?Taylor Donsker www.tdonsker.com 818.424.9046 On Dec 7, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
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I think when I made the first chair, the prototype, I wanted to keep it the same in the spirit of Sam's original, with the 2nd chair you see in the picture, while although it's a different chair, I feel it's a chair that Sam would have made next had he lived long enough to do so.. Of all the chairs Sam has made, I have never seen him use any other colored leather other than black. But I may be wrong..there's so many chairs out there that he made. ? On fabric, he used a lot of different colors.? He bought out the entire stock of Jack Lenor Larson collection before Jack died.? Sam has rolls and rolls of the fabric of all different colors and styles.? Stuff we would never see anywhere else. Keep the opinions coming...they all matter..
On Monday, December 7, 2020, 07:47:29 AM PST, David <david.hawxhurst@...> wrote:
after seeing the pull over type I like the button version better. I don't like black leather so I would go with burgundy, medium or dark brown. It's yours so you need to do what you like.
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I think the tufted cushion is a little busy, I'd rather it not draw attention?away from the beautiful shaped wood and joinery. Another option would be a cushion with box seams rather than just a pull over as shown.
Really nice work! Jason Jason Holtz J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406 612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406 |
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depends on if someone makes an offer I can't refuse..LOL
On Sunday, December 6, 2020, 01:36:00 PM PST, marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote:
Beautiful Chair.? Are you keeping it for yourself? On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 10:12 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote: Here's a few glamour shots of the chair I just finished.. I "borrowed" the seat cushion off the first chair for photography purposes.? The leather seat upholstery is not finished yet so I borrowed this one. |
Re: Felder circle cutting jig (was Re: [FOG] Home-brew extensions ema rails for off-brand machines)
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI recall with F bar The magic no. was top of bar to table surface is 10 mmmartin/campshure/co/llc Designing and building for 50 years On Dec 6, 2020, at 2:17 AM, Jonathan Martens <jonathan@...> wrote:
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Re: Done..Glamour shots
Beautiful Chair.? Are you keeping it for yourself? On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 10:12 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote: Here's a few glamour shots of the chair I just finished.. I "borrowed" the seat cushion off the first chair for photography purposes.? The leather seat upholstery is not finished yet so I borrowed this one. |
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I bought a very high quality Italian European leather.? No corners were cut in the making of these chairs.? I even had the upholsterer use the leather for covering the tops of all 25 buttons
On Sunday, December 6, 2020, 11:50:19 AM PST, David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
I think if it were my behind sitting in the rocking chair I'd want the smooth leather surface.? What quality of leather are you using?? I've learned about bonded leather on this forum and will never buy another bonded leather product. Dave Davies On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 1:44 PM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Felder circle cutting jig (was Re: [FOG] Home-brew table extension rails for off-brand machines)
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I think if it were my behind sitting in the rocking chair I'd want the smooth leather surface.? What quality of leather are you using?? I've learned about bonded leather on this forum and will never buy another bonded leather product. Dave Davies On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 1:44 PM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
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interesting.. that's a good option too??
On Sunday, December 6, 2020, 11:12:46 AM PST, Brett Wissel <brettwissel@...> wrote:
French seam ala Google: Its a great flat seam method.? On Sun, Dec 6, 2020, 12:03 PM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
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French seam ala Google: Its a great flat seam method.? On Sun, Dec 6, 2020, 12:03 PM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Felder circle cutting jig (was Re: [FOG] Home-brew table extension rails for off-brand machines)
Philip, the trick is getting the blade into the material to make the cut. Having a fixed, sliding t-nut would require cutting the square blank to the exact finished diameter, then perfectly centering it on the t-nut. There are numerous circle-cutting jigs on the market, most of them have some sort of "swing" element that sweeps the work into the blade, then rotates around a fixed point. This allows you to slightly oversize your square blank, and being perfectly centered is less critical.?
The appeal to me of the Aigner/Felder jig is how simple it is, and how well it integrates into the table extensions. The other candidate I considered was the Carter jig, but then I'd be tied to only using on a band saw (with standard 3/8"x3/4" miter slot), whereas the Aigner/Felder jigs works on any machine you can mount a table extension to (bandsaw, edge sander, shaper, router table, etc....). Everybody's wants/needs are going to be different, for me it was more than worth it to buy the ready-made solution.? https://us.feldershop.com/en-US/en-US/en-US/en-US/Sawing/Accessories/Bandsaw-accessories/Circular-cutting-device-Circular-mill-facility.html?force_sid=mttpv6438efkmn9dpo94516vg1 -- Tom Gensmer Heritage Home Renewals, LLC Minneapolis, MN |
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Brett.. can you elaborate as to how or what French seam would look like? I'd like to consider that too.. This is what a pullover looks like for those who wanted to see it,,
On Sunday, December 6, 2020, 09:52:29 AM PST, Brett Wissel <brettwissel@...> wrote:
Tufted is higher effort, higher cost, and indicative of higher quality - but is also polarizing style-wise. Do what you like unless you are trying to sell it - then offer an option and do what the buyer likes. You could also do a fancy French Seam or decorative stitch lines to not allow the wrapped-style seat to look too plain.
Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@... |
Re: Felder circle cutting jig (was Re: [FOG] Home-brew table extension rails for off-brand machines)
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWhy not just make a sliding t nut with a point you put in the grove of the outboard extension?Philip Davidson? On Dec 6, 2020, at 10:27 AM, tom@... wrote:
-- Philip davidsonukuleles.com |
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Tufted is higher effort, higher cost, and indicative of higher quality - but is also polarizing style-wise. Do what you like unless you are trying to sell it - then offer an option and do what the buyer likes. You could also do a fancy French Seam or decorative stitch lines to not allow the wrapped-style seat to look too plain. Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@... |
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI guess I'd need to see what the "pullover" would look like in comparison, but I love the button seat. --Michael Garrison Stuber On 12/6/2020 9:12 AM, Randy Child via
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Here's a few glamour shots of the chair I just finished.. I "borrowed" the seat cushion off the first chair for photography purposes.? The leather seat upholstery is not finished yet so I borrowed this one. -- Michael Garrison Stuber |
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