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Re: Jet "JTM-4VS" Vertical Mill - Elk Grove, CA

 

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good to know Brian. i guess something in line with Bill James’ buyers curse.

imran

On Dec 2, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:

?That was a pricey amount for an old manual machine. I’ve seen a lot of Bridgeports sell for less than that. Also, don’t forget, those can be expensive to move, and easy to damage...

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:22 AM, imranindiana via <imranindiana@...> wrote:

i assume you comment is in jest. we have had few threads about milling machines here. few of us, not me, own them and some would like to, so the reason for sharing.

FWIW, it sold for $3450 ($3967 with buyers premium).

perhaps, milling a part to fix a tool used for cabinet door building is how it can actually help build a cabinet door. personally, i like items that incorporate metal with wood but i do not have metal working knowledge beyond basics.

imran

On Dec 2, 2020, at 9:53 AM, tomruth@... wrote:

?How do you make cabinet doors with that?


Re: Jet "JTM-4VS" Vertical Mill - Elk Grove, CA

 

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That was a pricey amount for an old manual machine. I’ve seen a lot of Bridgeports sell for less than that. Also, don’t forget, those can be expensive to move, and easy to damage...

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:22 AM, imranindiana via <imranindiana@...> wrote:

i assume you comment is in jest. we have had few threads about milling machines here. few of us, not me, own them and some would like to, so the reason for sharing.

FWIW, it sold for $3450 ($3967 with buyers premium).

perhaps, milling a part to fix a tool used for cabinet door building is how it can actually help build a cabinet door. personally, i like items that incorporate metal with wood but i do not have metal working knowledge beyond basics.

imran

On Dec 2, 2020, at 9:53 AM, tomruth@... wrote:

?How do you make cabinet doors with that?


Re: Jet "JTM-4VS" Vertical Mill - Elk Grove, CA

 

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i assume you comment is in jest. we have had few threads about milling machines here. few of us, not me, own them and some would like to, so the reason for sharing.

FWIW, it sold for $3450 ($3967 with buyers premium).

perhaps, milling a part to fix a tool used for cabinet door building is how it can actually help build a cabinet door. personally, i like items that incorporate metal with wood but i do not have metal working knowledge beyond basics.

imran

On Dec 2, 2020, at 9:53 AM, tomruth@... wrote:

?How do you make cabinet doors with that?


Re: Jet "JTM-4VS" Vertical Mill - Elk Grove, CA

 

How do you make cabinet doors with that?


Re: Screws

 

think the first q is what is the load carried by each screw.
load can be shear or tension, or a combination of those.
tension capacity of wood screw is typically based on length of thread engaged in the supporting member, typically x lbs per inch of thread.
shear capacity can be limited by the screw or the substrate, eg.,? ?soft woods?= lower shear? , steel plates = higher.

Once the shear and tension capacity for the screw?and the materials is defined, then if more than one fastener is required, a group is necessary.? then minimum spacing requirements?come into play,?and in case of bending moments, the load in fasteners farthest from the center of bending is highest..??

like so many things, not simple

another solution?is to mock up and test.





On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 10:52 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
i thought i had read that the length of screw into the material that you are fixing the object to, should be at min 1.5x of the object (being fixed) thickness.

so if you are securing 3/4” thick material to something then 1 1/8” of the screw should be in that substrate. the total length then would depend on whether the screw is flush or recessed in the 3/4” material.

i hope i am remembering this correctly. wish i could find the source. obviously just a basic rule with many caveats.

imran

On Dec 1, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Bill James via <xxrb2010=[email protected]> wrote:

?Following up on Assy plus screw for plywood cabinet,

I would like to try some new screws for plywood cabinet carcasses.?I called the local Wurth and they only have 2" in stock, but I can order any size they do not have in stock. So, what size is a good size for 3/4 plywood. I currently use 1.5" screw from rockler, but this is what I have and no idea if good or not.

Thanks,

Bill


Re: Screws

 

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i thought i had read that the length of screw into the material that you are fixing the object to, should be at min 1.5x of the object (being fixed) thickness.

so if you are securing 3/4” thick material to something then 1 1/8” of the screw should be in that substrate. the total length then would depend on whether the screw is flush or recessed in the 3/4” material.

i hope i am remembering this correctly. wish i could find the source. obviously just a basic rule with many caveats.

imran

On Dec 1, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Bill James via groups.io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:

?Following up on Assy plus screw for plywood cabinet,

I would like to try some new screws for plywood cabinet carcasses.?I called the local Wurth and they only have 2" in stock, but I can order any size they do not have in stock. So, what size is a good size for 3/4 plywood. I currently use 1.5" screw from rockler, but this is what I have and no idea if good or not.

Thanks,

Bill


Re: Screws

 

Lot of great feedback,

Not sure what to do now :), I will buy one pack of each and test the next 5 years....

Bill


Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me

 

There is a theory for this: the winner's curse

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But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.

Bill


Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me

 

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I was looking for either.? This particular one has the feed built in but you can only work on one side.? The Kundig Uniq is two sided.? One side set for calibrated sanding, even sanding lacquer between coats.? The other side is like a regular edge sander.? If it was a Kundig I would have paid the same.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shinta Wakahisa via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me

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Congrats!??

I am curious if you would elaborate how this machine compared to a Kundig Uniq S.? There must be reasons why you waited 2-3 years for this brand???

SW


Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me

 

Congrats!??

I am curious if you would elaborate how this machine compared to a Kundig Uniq S.? There must be reasons why you waited 2-3 years for this brand???

SW


Re: Excellent Free Resource

 

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I’ve had that book given to me about 1973 and have used it many times. ?I have also found “Modern Cabinetmaking” fifth edition by Umstattd, Davis & Molzahn very useful. ?It is used as textbook at the Technical College in Madison, Wisconsin.

Tom Goodman

On Dec 1, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:

Oops, the bit below was about “Cabinet Making and Millwork” which was written as a college textbook for the millwork industry.? Love the other book too.
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From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?Joe Jensen
Sent:?Tuesday, December 1, 2020 5:39 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [FOG] Excellent Free Resource
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Love that book.? In 1970 when I was 8 years old my dad got that book from the Reader’s Digest book club and he used it to learn how to build kitchen cabinets.? As the oldest I was the shop help and the shop was an unheated poorly sealed 80 year old garage with a dirt floor in rural Iowa. We built the kitchen cabinets with a 1940s Craftsman table saw and did the profiling with a table saw molding head with steel cutters and the panel raising as a bevel cut with the saw.? All sanding was by hand.? Dad didn’t have much money.? The Ash came from a tree that he had sawn up.? He bought and old 24” Parks planer with a square cutterhead driven by a 24HP gas engine.?
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I’ve given away several of those books over the years.? Great stuff
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From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?imranindiana via?
Sent:?Saturday, November 28, 2020 4:46 AM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [FOG] Excellent Free Resource
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hi Murray,
?
i found a used copy and ordered it. here are couple of links:
?
?
Encyclopedia of Furniture Making?
?
imran?


On Nov 28, 2020, at 12:02 AM, murrayau1 <murraywp@...> wrote:

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Hi Imran
Thanks for sharing that link the book looks really useful. One of my go to books for problem-solving is the Encyclopaedia of Furniture Making by Ernest Joyce, updated by Alan Peters. There is a chapter on carcass building that refers to the Design Manual for Cabinet Furniture published by Furniture Development Council. I suspect that this book was published a very long time ago and I’m not even sure that the so-called Furniture Council still exists. But it sounds like a really useful guide to the structural design of cabinets for stiffness and longevity. I tried to track it down but can’t find a trace of it has anybody heard of this book?
Murray



Re: AD 741 Loose Drive Belt

Gary Copus
 

I have not had an opportunity to run down all the suggestions made by the Group regarding
the floppy drive belt. . I did send the video clip to Felder and the clip is being sent to Austria.?
Hopefully by end of week?should know something.? I am using the machine and getting
great results - hope I am not?ruining something!

gary


Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me

 

Joe - I was bidding against you but I got out early. These don't come up often. Congrats!
--
Kerry Smith
Gotham Woodworks
www.gothamwoodworks.com


Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me

 

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You can't overpay for the right machine.? I've spent a lot of money proving that point.? dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:05 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
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I probably overpaid but this is the first I’ve seen come up in 2-3 years

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jason Holtz
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me

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I almost bid against you Joe!

Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765


--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406


Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me

 

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Really sweet machine Joe.? Even if it turns out to need 460v, that machine is well worth the cost of a transformer.? I've got to research the Langzauner.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 7:20 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
?
I "won" today at auction an edge sander that I've been looking for at auction for a couple of years.? Apparently the Euro veneer sanders are scarce in the US.? This was has the feed belt built in with a top mounted pressure bar.? This machine was built for 230V/460V but it's wired for 460V so I will need to get that sorted.? And I will need to again order more Nordfab pipe.? Now the fingers crossed wait to make sure it arrives safely.

Listing Image


Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me

 

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I probably overpaid but this is the first I’ve seen come up in 2-3 years

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jason Holtz
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me

?

I almost bid against you Joe!

Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765


--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406


Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me

 

I almost bid against you Joe!

Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765

--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406


Re: Excellent Free Resource

 

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Oops, the bit below was about “Cabinet Making and Millwork” which was written as a college textbook for the millwork industry.? Love the other book too.

?

?

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joe Jensen
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 5:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Excellent Free Resource

?

Love that book.? In 1970 when I was 8 years old my dad got that book from the Reader’s Digest book club and he used it to learn how to build kitchen cabinets.? As the oldest I was the shop help and the shop was an unheated poorly sealed 80 year old garage with a dirt floor in rural Iowa. We built the kitchen cabinets with a 1940s Craftsman table saw and did the profiling with a table saw molding head with steel cutters and the panel raising as a bevel cut with the saw.? All sanding was by hand.? Dad didn’t have much money.? The Ash came from a tree that he had sawn up.? He bought and old 24” Parks planer with a square cutterhead driven by a 24HP gas engine.?

?

I’ve given away several of those books over the years.? Great stuff

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 4:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Excellent Free Resource

?

hi Murray,

?

i found a used copy and ordered it. here are couple of links:

?

?

Encyclopedia of Furniture Making

?

imran?


On Nov 28, 2020, at 12:02 AM, murrayau1 <murraywp@...> wrote:

?

Hi Imran

Thanks for sharing that link the book looks really useful. One of my go to books for problem-solving is the Encyclopaedia of Furniture Making by Ernest Joyce, updated by Alan Peters. There is a chapter on carcass building that refers to the Design Manual for Cabinet Furniture published by Furniture Development Council. I suspect that this book was published a very long time ago and I’m not even sure that the so-called Furniture Council still exists. But it sounds like a really useful guide to the structural design of cabinets for stiffness and longevity. I tried to track it down but can’t find a trace of it has anybody heard of this book?

Murray


Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me

 

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If it is a dual voltage machine 230/460, then all you should have to do is change the wiring connections and possibly some “heaters” if it uses them in the contactors (picture below). This is/was pretty common in the machine shop. Nice looking machine!



Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Dec 1, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:

I "won" today at auction an edge sander that I've been looking for at auction for a couple of years.? Apparently the Euro veneer sanders are scarce in the US.? This was has the feed belt built in with a top mounted pressure bar.? This machine was built for 230V/460V but it's wired for 460V so I will need to get that sorted.? And I will need to again order more Nordfab pipe.? Now the fingers crossed wait to make sure it arrives safely.

Listing Image


Re: Excellent Free Resource

 

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Love that book.? In 1970 when I was 8 years old my dad got that book from the Reader’s Digest book club and he used it to learn how to build kitchen cabinets.? As the oldest I was the shop help and the shop was an unheated poorly sealed 80 year old garage with a dirt floor in rural Iowa. We built the kitchen cabinets with a 1940s Craftsman table saw and did the profiling with a table saw molding head with steel cutters and the panel raising as a bevel cut with the saw.? All sanding was by hand.? Dad didn’t have much money.? The Ash came from a tree that he had sawn up.? He bought and old 24” Parks planer with a square cutterhead driven by a 24HP gas engine.?

?

I’ve given away several of those books over the years.? Great stuff

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 4:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Excellent Free Resource

?

hi Murray,

?

i found a used copy and ordered it. here are couple of links:

?

?

Encyclopedia of Furniture Making

?

imran?


On Nov 28, 2020, at 12:02 AM, murrayau1 <murraywp@...> wrote:

?

Hi Imran

Thanks for sharing that link the book looks really useful. One of my go to books for problem-solving is the Encyclopaedia of Furniture Making by Ernest Joyce, updated by Alan Peters. There is a chapter on carcass building that refers to the Design Manual for Cabinet Furniture published by Furniture Development Council. I suspect that this book was published a very long time ago and I’m not even sure that the so-called Furniture Council still exists. But it sounds like a really useful guide to the structural design of cabinets for stiffness and longevity. I tried to track it down but can’t find a trace of it has anybody heard of this book?

Murray