Re: Any pictures out there of aftermarket rip fence DRO installs?
#whysoexpensive
Forgot to mention Brian Lamb has a very nice DRO flip stop available if you go with the non DRO fence on the new saw and change your mind later
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On Dec 3, 2020, at 12:40 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? not aware of plug & play but there are DIY options. search noble artisan on utube. if you don’t find it let me know. i can post link when back home in couple of hrs. it has been shared here multiple times so you can try searching here as well.
imran? On Dec 3, 2020, at 12:15 PM, PK <paul.kellymjc@...> wrote: ?Need some pictures please!
Looking to get a KF700SP - Quoted and ready to put the deposit down.? Anybody have a nice aftermarket DRO setup on a newer Felder Rip fence?
The factory option seems pricy.? It is possible to add the factory one at a later date.? Just wondering how the aftermarket systems "Look" on the saw.
TIA
PK
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Re: Any pictures out there of aftermarket rip fence DRO installs?
#whysoexpensive
not aware of plug & play but there are DIY options. search noble artisan on utube. if you don’t find it let me know. i can post link when back home in couple of hrs. it has been shared here multiple times so you can try searching here as well.
imran?
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On Dec 3, 2020, at 12:15 PM, PK <paul.kellymjc@...> wrote: ?Need some pictures please!
Looking to get a KF700SP - Quoted and ready to put the deposit down.? Anybody have a nice aftermarket DRO setup on a newer Felder Rip fence?
The factory option seems pricy.? It is possible to add the factory one at a later date.? Just wondering how the aftermarket systems "Look" on the saw.
TIA
PK
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Re: Any pictures out there of aftermarket rip fence DRO installs?
#whysoexpensive
I would suggest factory, you can do after market for about $350 + you need a bracket. With factory you get a heavier fence. Don’t think the felder dro can be added at a later date without a lot of hassle and expense, the fence and way it locates is different than the non dro.?
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On Dec 3, 2020, at 12:15 PM, PK <paul.kellymjc@...> wrote:
?Need some pictures please!
Looking to get a KF700SP - Quoted and ready to put the deposit down.? Anybody have a nice aftermarket DRO setup on a newer Felder Rip fence?
The factory option seems pricy.? It is possible to add the factory one at a later date.? Just wondering how the aftermarket systems "Look" on the saw.
TIA
PK
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Any pictures out there of aftermarket rip fence DRO installs?
#whysoexpensive
Need some pictures please!
Looking to get a KF700SP - Quoted and ready to put the deposit down.? Anybody have a nice aftermarket DRO setup on a newer Felder Rip fence?
The factory option seems pricy.? It is possible to add the factory one at a later date.? Just wondering how the aftermarket systems "Look" on the saw.
TIA
PK
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Thanks, Imran! We just built a couple of years ago but had I known about these I would have looked seriously at using them. Good to know. Cheers Eric
On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 6:25 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: if you have an interest in framing or plan to build a house. not a brand new product but they have added to the mix.
this is not something that i stay up on but cutting cripples at 5 deg to get window sill to slope out is brilliant. we build 20 yrs ago and they did use cedar beveled window sills. one would think that this would have been done a decades ago.
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Thanks, imran.
Mark Wille is a great person to chat with.? He is also an avid contributor to the weekly Passive House Accelerator and Cooper Live, and regular on BS & Beer (building science) - surrounding building science including window, offsite construction topics.? There are many architects, builders, suppliers to meet on each one of these, too.
Here are some event links and Mark's contact info.
Chris
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Re: Laser Kerf Line for slider saw?
good to know. BTW, i posted to share questionable power specs.
my cheap ebay pencil red laser goes to dashes farthest out but that part does not bother me. i wish it was brighter.
imran
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On Dec 3, 2020, at 9:25 AM, istrickl2 via groups.io <ivan.strickland1@...> wrote: ? I tried a bosch Cross line laser attached to the ceiling - hopeless; the line was too fat and with a slight angle to increase the length of the line it degenerates not into a line but a series of dashes. Really didn't work at all
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Re: Laser Kerf Line for slider saw?
I tried a bosch Cross line laser attached to the ceiling - hopeless; the line was too fat and with a slight angle to increase the length of the line it degenerates not into a line but a series of dashes. Really didn't work at all
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if you have an interest in framing or plan to build a house. not a brand new product but they have added to the mix.
this is not something that i stay up on but cutting cripples at 5 deg to get window sill to slope out is brilliant. we build 20 yrs ago and they did use cedar beveled window sills. one would think that this would have been done a decades ago.
imran
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Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]>
On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 11:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
?
i read the article but i am not sure if there is anything wrong with paying more than market value, especially for a business. for example:
purchased at auction for $12K
so you paid $2K over. Let’s say the same or similar machine may not be available for 1 year. first, no guarantee that you can pick it up for less. 2nd, how much would you lose in productivity and quality over that year. so how does this
theory account for opportunity cost associated with not buying the machine?
On Dec 2, 2020, at 1:28 PM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
?
I've been told I'm a wit- half, dim, nit.? Dave
David,
This quote: "You can't overpay for the right machine.? I've spent a lot of money proving that point." , along with the one about specializing in boring repetitive tasks are the stuff of a follow on career
in comedy (the niche may be a bit slim...).
?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:37 AM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
Woodworking machines are selling higher but manual metalworking don't seem to follow.? I suspect the hobby crowd doesn't go in for metalworking as much as wood.? Dave
Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in
your max bid as that site shows if it was a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the
belt feed it’s a lot cheaper than the Unique S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.?
I may wait on a wide belt sander until the building/remodeling boom ends.
?
From:
[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Bill James via
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
?
There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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Re: Jet "JTM-4VS" Vertical Mill - Elk Grove, CA
Not a fan of J heads ....period , jet or Cincinnati , gear head any day .? Designing and building for 50 years
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On Dec 2, 2020, at 9:54 AM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
?
There are a lot of Taiwan Bridgeport clones out on the used market.? Bidspotter has them all the time.? Now if you find a good condition Wells Index, particularly the vertical/ horizontal, that is worth watching.? They are still in business in US and a step
up in build.? Dave
good to know Brian. i guess something in line with Bill James’ buyers curse.
imran
On Dec 2, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
?That was a pricey amount for an old manual machine. I’ve seen a lot of Bridgeports sell for less than that. Also, don’t forget, those can be expensive to move, and easy to damage...
i assume you comment is in jest. we have had few threads about milling machines here. few of us, not me, own them and some would like to, so the reason for sharing.
FWIW, it sold for $3450 ($3967 with buyers premium).
perhaps, milling a part to fix a tool used for cabinet door building is how it can actually help build a cabinet door. personally, i like items that incorporate metal with wood but i do not have metal working knowledge beyond basics.
imran
?How do you make cabinet doors with that?
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Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
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On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 12:28 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
I've been told I'm a wit- half, dim, nit.? Dave
David,
This quote: "You can't overpay for the right machine.? I've spent a lot of money proving that point." , along with the one about specializing in boring repetitive tasks are
the stuff of a follow on career in comedy (the niche may be a bit slim...).
Marlowe?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:37 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
Woodworking machines are selling higher but manual metalworking don't seem to follow.? I suspect the hobby crowd doesn't go in for metalworking as much as wood.? Dave
Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in your max bid as that site shows if it was
a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the belt feed it’s a lot cheaper than the Unique
S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.? I may wait on a wide belt sander until
the building/remodeling boom ends.
?
From:
[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Bill James via
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
To:
[email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
?
There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
i read the article but i am not sure if there is anything wrong with paying more than market value, especially for a business. for example:
new machine costs $30K market value $10K purchased at auction for $12K
so you paid $2K over. Let’s say the same or similar machine may not be available for 1 year. first, no guarantee that you can pick it up for less. 2nd, how much would you lose in productivity and quality over that year. so how does this theory account for opportunity cost associated with not buying the machine?
imran
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On Dec 2, 2020, at 1:28 PM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote: ?
I've been told I'm a wit- half, dim, nit.? Dave
David,
This quote: "You can't overpay for the right machine.? I've spent a lot of money proving that point." , along with the one about specializing in boring repetitive tasks are
the stuff of a follow on career in comedy (the niche may be a bit slim...).
Marlowe?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:37 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
Woodworking machines are selling higher but manual metalworking don't seem to follow.? I suspect the hobby crowd doesn't go in for metalworking as much as wood.? Dave
Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in your max bid as that site shows if it was
a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the belt feed it’s a lot cheaper than the Unique
S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.? I may wait on a wide belt sander until
the building/remodeling boom ends.
?
From:
[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Bill James via
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
To:
[email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
?
There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
I've been told I'm a wit- half, dim, nit.? Dave
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David,
This quote: "You can't overpay for the right machine.? I've spent a lot of money proving that point." , along with the one about specializing in boring repetitive tasks are
the stuff of a follow on career in comedy (the niche may be a bit slim...).
Marlowe?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:37 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
Woodworking machines are selling higher but manual metalworking don't seem to follow.? I suspect the hobby crowd doesn't go in for metalworking as much as wood.? Dave
Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in your max bid as that site shows if it was
a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the belt feed it’s a lot cheaper than the Unique
S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.? I may wait on a wide belt sander until
the building/remodeling boom ends.
?
From:
[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Bill James via
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
To:
[email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
?
There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
David,
This quote: "You can't overpay for the right machine.? I've spent a lot of money proving that point." , along with the one about specializing in boring repetitive tasks are the stuff of a follow on career in comedy (the niche may be a bit slim...).
Marlowe?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:37 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
Woodworking machines are selling higher but manual metalworking don't seem to follow.? I suspect the hobby crowd doesn't go in for metalworking as much as wood.? Dave
Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in your max bid as that site shows if it was
a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the belt feed it’s a lot cheaper than the Unique
S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.? I may wait on a wide belt sander until
the building/remodeling boom ends.
?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Bill James via
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
?
There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
Woodworking machines are selling higher but manual metalworking don't seem to follow.? I suspect the hobby crowd doesn't go in for metalworking as much as wood.? Dave
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Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in your max bid as that site shows if it was
a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the belt feed it’s a lot cheaper than the Unique
S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.? I may wait on a wide belt sander until
the building/remodeling boom ends.
?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Bill James via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
?
There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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Re: Laser Kerf Line for slider saw?
FWIW, just got an email from CPO listing Bosch refurbished cross hair red laser for $49. i looked up the power spec and it is <1.5mW. i looked up a dewalt and it listed similar power.
so i am pretty sure all of these pen type lasers on ebay with listed power of 50mW, 100mW or 200mW is incorrect specification. maybe it is the power supply power as opposed to laser power consumption.
imran
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On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:34 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: ? Brett, ? Thanks for the boom pic. I could not connect text to the previous pic. BTW, you found the same orientation best as I did. Locating laser on the saw guard made it faint 10ft away and really bright near blade. I ended up mounting midway along the length of slider on the wall. I do not see any power rating of laser on amazon, does the unit list wattage? From my experience, keep it within reach so it is easy to align and all should be fine. ? Imran ? ? David Davies - the Frame Press is a Soukup FP32.21 from Soukup America, contact through Greg Godbout at Rangate for inquiries - I received it earlier this year and I cant express the extent of"better" it has made for me since transitioning to a one man operation in the Covid era. Imran - this photo should better illustrate the issue of needing a boom arm. I just rigged up a metal stud for concept and locating. Final fit would ideally be a tripod mount that can telescope and lock adjustments, but I bet I just find an old piece of scrap square tube or unistrut once I find it sitting in some dark corner of the shop lol. ? On Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 10:02 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote: Brett,
thanks for sharing details. i am not following this part, “Changes to be made: add a metal boom from overhead guard to make a fixed mount”
did you not use the magnetic bracket that came with the laser? it is hard to tell from pic if you made a custom bracket.
imran
On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
Changes to be made: add a metal boom from overhead guard to make a fixed mount
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Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in your max bid as that site
shows if it was a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the belt feed it’s a lot cheaper
than the Unique S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.? I may wait on a wide
belt sander until the building/remodeling boom ends.
?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]>
On Behalf Of Bill James via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
?
There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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Re: Jet "JTM-4VS" Vertical Mill - Elk Grove, CA
There are a lot of Taiwan Bridgeport clones out on the used market.? Bidspotter has them all the time.? Now if you find a good condition Wells Index, particularly the vertical/ horizontal, that is worth watching.? They are still in business in US and a step
up in build.? Dave
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good to know Brian. i guess something in line with Bill James’ buyers curse.
imran
On Dec 2, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
?That was a pricey amount for an old manual machine. I’ve seen a lot of Bridgeports sell for less than that. Also, don’t forget, those can be expensive to move, and easy to damage...
i assume you comment is in jest. we have had few threads about milling machines here. few of us, not me, own them and some would like to, so the reason for sharing.
FWIW, it sold for $3450 ($3967 with buyers premium).
perhaps, milling a part to fix a tool used for cabinet door building is how it can actually help build a cabinet door. personally, i like items that incorporate metal with wood but i do not have metal working knowledge beyond basics.
imran
?How do you make cabinet doors with that?
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Re: Jet "JTM-4VS" Vertical Mill - Elk Grove, CA
good to know Brian. i guess something in line with Bill James’ buyers curse.
imran
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On Dec 2, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: ? That was a pricey amount for an old manual machine. I’ve seen a lot of Bridgeports sell for less than that. Also, don’t forget, those can be expensive to move, and easy to damage...
i assume you comment is in jest. we have had few threads about milling machines here. few of us, not me, own them and some would like to, so the reason for sharing.
FWIW, it sold for $3450 ($3967 with buyers premium).
perhaps, milling a part to fix a tool used for cabinet door building is how it can actually help build a cabinet door. personally, i like items that incorporate metal with wood but i do not have metal working knowledge beyond basics.
imran ?How do you make cabinet doors with that?
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