I thoroughly enjoy shaper style cutters for dados, Felder is one of those. There is a slight cut beyond the flat which prevents tearout but I¡¯ve never had a flatter bottom of my dados. The replaceable and turnable
carbide more than overcomes that for me. I¡¯m a little scared of anything coming out from resharpening and maintaining very tight tolerances.
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry
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I have not had used either, I have the Ridge Carbide and it is excellent and the service from them is great. I can also tell you that the ¡°bat ears¡± are less on the Ridge Carbide set than the Forrest which is the reason I bought it.
On Oct 14, 2020, at 9:07 PM, uplandwoods@... wrote:
?Any opinions on Felder vs Forrest dado blades for use on a K3 saw?
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I have not had used either, I have the Ridge Carbide and it is excellent and the service from them is great. I can also tell you that the ¡°bat ears¡± are less on the Ridge Carbide set than the Forrest which is the reason I bought it.
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On Oct 14, 2020, at 9:07 PM, uplandwoods@... wrote:
?Any opinions on Felder vs Forrest dado blades for use on a K3 saw?
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Any opinions on Felder vs Forrest dado blades for use on a K3 saw?
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Re: Looking for a band saw the size of a Minimax 16/Felder FB510 or so in the upper Midwest
#Bandsaw
I'd machine a bar if you want to use the cast iron table.? The tables are pretty small.? When I had an LT 18, I made a larger table, used the slot with a filler strip to align the new table and put a standard slot in that.? For a miter guage it is nice to have
extra table for support.? The type of gauge isn't as important because you don't get precision from a bandsaw.? An Incra is overkill.? Dave
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Both Incra and Osborne have a US standard slot bar that I would have to machine down to fit the Felder 15x4 slot. I may have to do that. I am hoping someone has a Felder mitre fence laying around unused.
John H
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Re: Looking for a band saw the size of a Minimax 16/Felder FB510 or so in the upper Midwest
#Bandsaw
Both Incra and Osborne have a US standard slot bar that I would have to machine down to fit the Felder 15x4 slot. I may have to do that. I am hoping someone has a Felder mitre fence laying around unused.
John H
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Re: implementing variable frequency drives
I have a VFD wired to my SCM wide belt sander.
I hired an industrial electrician to wire it up.?
my VFD is a Danfoss VLT2800, it is rated 38amp, my big sander FLC is 38 amp. not ideal but so far so good.?
I bought the sander second hand, the VFD cost more than how much I paid for the sander.?
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I put mine in the walkable attic space, glad I did the noise is annoying to me and I haven¡¯t even heard it with the fans on yet with the door closed I barely hear it. Max air temp in my attic has been around 90f-100f for just a month or two, PP told my that it would be fine up there.
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On Oct 14, 2020, at 3:50 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I should perhaps add that the high-pitched noise doesn't bother most people.? ?In fact, the pitch is higher than many people can even hear.? It's not loud, probably 50dB at 5' away.? ?Any other noise will drown it out.? But my shop is pretty much silent if I don't have something running, and I find the buzz annoying.? ?It's been discussed here on FOG a few times over the years, and it's a very small minority of Phase Perfect owners who notice or care.? It also has a small fan that's not super quiet, but doesn't run very much, though it depends on demand and ambient temp.? ??The PP doesn't use much power and will not add measurable heat.
I suggest you wait till you get it, then fire it up and see what you think about the sound, then decide where to put it.
Yes, if you use a breaker as a daily switch, it may wear out "prematurely" in 20-30 years (10,000 cycles is a typical rating I think)
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I should perhaps add that the high-pitched noise doesn't bother most people.? ?In fact, the pitch is higher than many people can even hear.? It's not loud, probably 50dB at 5' away.? ?Any other noise will drown it out.? But my shop is pretty much silent if I don't have something running, and I find the buzz annoying.? ?It's been discussed here on FOG a few times over the years, and it's a very small minority of Phase Perfect owners who notice or care.? It also has a small fan that's not super quiet, but doesn't run very much, though it depends on demand and ambient temp.? ??The PP doesn't use much power and will not add measurable heat.
I suggest you wait till you get it, then fire it up and see what you think about the sound, then decide where to put it.
Yes, if you use a breaker as a daily switch, it may wear out "prematurely" in 20-30 years (10,000 cycles is a typical rating I think)
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Re: implementing variable frequency drives
VFDs aren¡¯t rocket science, but there are a few things to know:
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- VFDs can¡¯t be used as a generic phase converter doing more than one thing; they can only be used for a single motor.
- You cannot use a switch between the VFD and the motor. Any machine switches that you wish to continue to use must be rewired to become control inputs to the VFD.
- Machines with multiple motors require multiple VFDs, which can get expensive and complicated, as Patrick noted.
- Large motors can be expensive to power via single phase input as you need to significantly oversize the VFD if its fed from only single phase power. 0-3 HP is cheap. 3 ¨C 15 HP is expensive
but possible. More than 15HP is going to be tough.
- The VFD will require some programming to setup for your application. It¡¯s not too daunting, but you need to be able to read a manual and know what you are trying to do.
- VFDs ¨C especially in a wood shop, really should be enclosed in something to keep the dust out (with ventilation, of course), and ideally you would switch power coming into the VFD,
which means you may end up building an electrical assembly to make it all happen. You can read in my band saw thread earlier today to see what I did.
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Automation Direct has a lot of VFDs you can browse through, and a number of them have application guides where you can get an idea of how they go together.
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Hi,? because I power my entire modest shop's 11? three phase machines with 2 Phase Technology converters (without any issues), and looking to expand a bit,? ?cutting down on power-on surge requirements of things like dust collectors? has
become more important.
Can you guys recommend a primer or tutorial? on selecting and? purchasing? a VFD?? ?I've wired my own shops entirely for 30 years in the dust making business, but have never dabbled with VFDs or their caveats.
Thanks,
Anton Stayduhar
New York
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Re: Looking for a band saw the size of a Minimax 16/Felder FB510 or so in the upper Midwest
#Bandsaw
If I was going to buy a miter fence for a bandsaw I would look to aftermarket, Incra or Osborn.
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So, the Felder 540 that Patrick Kane mentioned has ended up in my garage (thank you Patrick, it is a very nice machine). However, the saw did not come with a mitre fence, which uses a 15mmx4mm table slot. Does anyone have an extra mitre fence they would sell?
John H
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Re: implementing variable frequency drives
Hey Anton,
I¡¯m no expert, but I have two three phase machines running off VFDs(each 5.5hp) and for 11 machines there are absolutely more economical means of converting power. On the low end, that will be $2500 in VFDs for your machines if they are all 2-3hp, and up to $5000+ if they are 5hp+. Not to mention all the time wiring and programming the VFDs to each specific machine. Why not go with a Phase Perfect at that point? Personally, I think VFDs are extremely attractive for converting 1-2 machines. They become an expensive means of conversion when you have 11+ motors to run. Things like a planer might have three separate motors you need to wire to three separate VFDs.?
Patrick?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 3:13 PM anton Stayduhar < antons@...> wrote: Hi,? because I power my entire modest shop's 11? three phase machines with 2 Phase Technology converters (without any issues), and looking to expand a bit,? ?cutting down on power-on surge requirements of things like dust collectors? has become more important.
Can you guys recommend a primer or tutorial? on selecting and? purchasing? a VFD?? ?I've wired my own shops entirely for 30 years in the dust making business, but have never dabbled with VFDs or their caveats.
Thanks,
Anton Stayduhar
New York
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The thought behind putting it outside had to do with noise/sound (as Mark mentioned), and to thermal performance (would it heat up the Shop when running with a load?). Based on Mark's comment about high pitched sound, I'd be inclined to spend the extra dollars to get the Outdoor enclosure.?
Mark, regarding the switch, that's good to know that it doesn't cut power to the unit. My electrician told me that cycling a breaker every day would prematurely wear it out, so the intent with the switch would be to eliminate the passive draw when I'm not using the converter.....?
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Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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implementing variable frequency drives
Hi,? because I power my entire modest shop's 11? three phase machines with 2 Phase Technology converters (without any issues), and looking to expand a bit,? ?cutting down on power-on surge requirements of things like dust collectors? has become more important.
Can you guys recommend a primer or tutorial? on selecting and? purchasing? a VFD?? ?I've wired my own shops entirely for 30 years in the dust making business, but have never dabbled with VFDs or their caveats.
Thanks,
Anton Stayduhar
New York
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Re: Looking for a band saw the size of a Minimax 16/Felder FB510 or so in the upper Midwest
#Bandsaw
Cheers, man, that was a solid deal. I figure if im not going to act on a deal, i might as well share the love. My day job is a broker, so im used to keeping my ear to the ground for folks. Its funny, but thats probably my 5th or 6th tool deal ive brokered to folks over the internet this year. Anytime i end up discussing something with someone i store them in the back of my mind during my searches. Like a lot of others in our craft, i simply enjoy looking at machines and seeing whats for sale. Im never?not looking for machines even though i absolutely do not need anymore and i have zero room.?
Patrick
So, the Felder 540 that Patrick Kane mentioned has ended up in my garage (thank you Patrick, it is a very nice machine). However, the saw did not come with a mitre fence, which uses a 15mmx4mm table slot. Does anyone have an extra mitre fence they would sell?
John H
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Re: Looking for a band saw the size of a Minimax 16/Felder FB510 or so in the upper Midwest
#Bandsaw
So, the Felder 540 that Patrick Kane mentioned has ended up in my garage (thank you Patrick, it is a very nice machine). However, the saw did not come with a mitre fence, which uses a 15mmx4mm table slot. Does anyone have an extra mitre fence they would sell?
John H
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Mine has been outside for 10 years.? ?I have a toggle switch (like an ordinary light switch) at the door to the shop, along with light switches and compressor remote.?
The Phase Perfect emits a high pitched electronics sound that I find extremely annoying, and I put it outside so I don't hear that.?
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When I talked to PP they told me they have a ton of them placed outside in remote locations for irrigation systems and never have any issues for whats that worth. Are you talking about the remote switch that you can wire directly to the PP? If so know that incoming power os still live and you are not isolating the PP, i just use the breaker
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On Oct 14, 2020, at 2:00 PM, tom@... wrote:
?Alrighty, well, I ultimately opted to run a 200-amp service to my detached Shop, and am planning on acquiring a Phase Perfect PT010 10hp phase converter to run a 7.5hp KF700 and dust collector. I'm a one-person Shop, so I'll be able to switch the PT010 "On" and "Off" as necessary when I'm not using it.?
I was originally planning on ordering a PT010 with a "On/Off" switch and an interior enclosure, but a friend suggested I consider an outdoor enclosure. Do folks have any input/suggestions on the utility/benefits to one way or the other?
I did a search but didn't immediately find a discussion of the topic. Thanks for any input.?
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Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Alrighty, well, I ultimately opted to run a 200-amp service to my detached Shop, and am planning on acquiring a Phase Perfect PT010 10hp phase converter to run a 7.5hp KF700 and dust collector. I'm a one-person Shop, so I'll be able to switch the PT010 "On" and "Off" as necessary when I'm not using it.?
I was originally planning on ordering a PT010 with a "On/Off" switch and an interior enclosure, but a friend suggested I consider an outdoor enclosure. Do folks have any input/suggestions on the utility/benefits to one way or the other?
I did a search but didn't immediately find a discussion of the topic. Thanks for any input.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Small Edge Bead Profile
Apply it as a built-up piece - buy half round moulding - if you can find it local, google just pulled up this piece for $1.35 x 24"L?+shipping.?
I've also used basketry supply wicker/rattan and split it for applique molding replacements - 5/64 seems small enough and easy enough to find even at a local crafting store.
will charge you $100-range to make a set of knives plus shipping, but you still have to set them up and run them. If your customer is willing to pay, I can see this method being good for future needs also.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 12:12 PM Michael Garrison Stuber < mtgstuber@...> wrote:
That's a great idea Brian.? Thank you for the suggestion.
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On 10/14/2020 8:52 AM, Brian Lamb
wrote:
Look for a local tool and cutter grinder shop that sharpens and
makes custom tools for machine shops. I needed a real shallow
angle on some aluminum parts so bought a cheap 2¡± diameter spoil
board cutter off ebay and then had them grind I think it was a 7?
angle on the two flutes, worked great. Cutter cost about $20 and I
paid $60 to have it ground.?
You could do this with a 1/2¡± shanked 3/4¡± diameter
straight router bit and still have plenty of diameter at the
groove for support.
On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:40 AM, Michael Garrison
Stuber < mtgstuber@...>
wrote:
Hi folks,
??? I'm adding electric window openers to a
set of casement windows in the cupola of a building
I'm working on.? I'd like to keep the existing
screens.? To do this, I need to change as little as
possible.? I've found I can reuse most of the existing
molding, however, there is one action I need to
recreate, as the original hand-crank opener required a
much bigger hole and it is offset instead of
centered.? The end result is that I need to create a
strip of molding with a 3/64 radius edge bead on each
side to interlock with the existing moldings.
??? I've been trying to find a source for
such a thing.? Tools today has an Amana router bit ()?
that has this profile, but I would have to do three
passes on each side to create the necessary profile.?
One to cut the needed bead, and then two passes with a
straight cutter to get to the final profile.? I
figured it would be worth spending the money on a
custom router bit.? I wouldn't mind a custom shaper
cutter, but this is a limited run, and custom shaper
cutters are about 2x as much as custom router bits.
??? The one vendor I was talking to says
that they can't actually make a bit to cut this
profile, as the slot is too deep/narrow.? I find this
surprising (after all it's only 5/64" deep), but I'm
not a tooling manufacturer.? Another manufacturer
wants $260, which seems steep to me.
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??? Any suggestions on better ways to source
or achieve this?? I've looked at catalogs from
Whitesite, Freud, Whitehill, and Freeborn.? I'm not
finding anything stock that would easily let me create
this profile..?
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My Holytek BW300 bandsaw has just chewed up the 2nd lower tyre (in 3 or 4 years) and I'm thinking I might be the problem.? Yesterday, I was ripping a?2" (50mm) thick macrocarpa board approx 5' (1.5M)?long.? About 3/4 the way down the rip it happened and there were a few sparks appearing from the blade still spinning and snagging (I assume) on the guard.? Upon opening the lower cabinet found the tyre all shredded and rubber crumbs - the longest piece of tyre was about 8" (200mm) everything else significantly smaller.? The wheel is 530mm diameter, so the tyre would be about 5.5' (just under 1.7M) long? ?As this is the second time the lower tyre has "failed" on me, I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong.? ? Sometimes I notice the blade is cutting very easily (like a knife through butter) then in the same piece of wood it's as if the material has changed to steel and I have to significantly slow down the feed rate.? Not sure why I would get this with a reasonably sharp blade.? When it happened yesterday the blade was cutting relatively well.? Cuts have been very good (straight and accurate) so it may just be my technique and I'm just applying too much pressure?? ?
Any feedback would be appreciated.
Cheers
David
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