Re: Aigner Distometer up alternative?
Am I the only one with the Betterley Una-Guage.? Works like a champ and can be used for many different functions. Dave Davies
On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 9:10 AM Chris Perren < cperren@...> wrote: Hebor H-50 appears to be an interesting tool although not cheap.? I¡¯m assuming its German. ???? ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ? ? Joel, I been using one sense 89, really the old man on the block. Mac,,, ? martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure?
7412 elmwood ave.?
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell Designing and building for 50 years ?It¡¯s roughly $500. ? ?
? I spent some time today fussing with fine adjustments on the shaper to get the cut just right with too many test cuts.? I the remembered the Aigner Distometer.? Did a search.? Saw a comment that Joe Calhoon was not so fond of it.? Saw a comment that the Distometer was discontinued.? Saw a comment from some time ago by David Best that there was a new kid on the block, the Hebor H-50.? I saw a Youtube video posted on it not too long ago
For those with shapers wanting to get the tooling height and depth of cut just right as fast as possible (other than presets), any recommendations?? Not sure if this Hebor H-50 is the best option or the cost. ?
?
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Aigner Distometer up alternative?
Hebor H-50 appears to be an interesting tool although not cheap. ?I¡¯m assuming its German. ???? ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 7:58 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Aigner Distometer up alternative? ? Joel, I been using one sense 89, really the old man on the block. Mac,,, ? Designing and building for 50 years
On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:31 AM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
?It¡¯s roughly $500. ? ?
? I spent some time today fussing with fine adjustments on the shaper to get the cut just right with too many test cuts. ?I the remembered the Aigner Distometer. ?Did a search. ?Saw a comment that Joe Calhoon was not so fond of it. ?Saw a comment that the Distometer was discontinued. ?Saw a comment from some time ago by David Best that there was a new kid on the block, the Hebor H-50. ?I saw a Youtube video posted on it not too long ago
For those with shapers wanting to get the tooling height and depth of cut just right as fast as possible (other than presets), any recommendations? ?Not sure if this Hebor H-50 is the best option or the cost. ?
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Re: Aigner Distometer up alternative?
Joel, I been using one sense 89, really the old man on the block. Go to for analog set up. Mac,,,
?? Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:31 AM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
? It¡¯s roughly $500. ?
I spent some time today fussing with fine adjustments on the shaper to get the cut just right with too many test cuts. ?I the remembered the Aigner Distometer. ?Did a search. ?Saw a comment that Joe Calhoon was not so fond of it. ?Saw a comment that the Distometer was discontinued. ?Saw a comment from some time ago by David Best that there was a new kid on the block, the Hebor H-50. ?I saw a Youtube video posted on it not too long ago
For those with shapers wanting to get the tooling height and depth of cut just right as fast as possible (other than presets), any recommendations? ?Not sure if this Hebor H-50 is the best option or the cost. ?
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Glenn,
? ? ? ? ? ?I ran a timber business in Northern Ireland for twenty four years. For approximately a five year period during that time, we stored all of our machined hardwoods and softwoods in twenty foot containers double stacked. On the ground floor containers, we racked them out with 2"x1" box iron frames in 24"x24" sections. Bolted an Elu chop saw on the inside of the door for easy ?cross cutting of the timber.
No more twists or shakes than normal, no damp or water ingress ,although we have a very different climate from you!?
Great for security, easy to reconfigure storage in your premises as no planning permission required, and no local council taxes applicable, as containers were regarded non permanent structures and we moved them around every six months.
Trevor Lusty
Ireland
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Glen,
??? My environment is admittedly pretty dry (I live near Spokane,
WA), but I've been storing both tools and lumber in a container
for several years without any issues.
--
Michael Garrison Stuber.
On 7/27/2020 9:10 PM, Glen Christensen
wrote:
I was wondering if anyone stores material in shipping containers.
I was recently approved to be a distributor for moulding and
hardwoods. I am moving forward with the building addition to
accommodate that but that is a lot of nice footage to store
product that i would like to keep for shop space . So in my
thinking shipping containers would let me keep my new shop space.
I know there are condensation problems with containers and trying
to figure how to deal with that. I think the issue is manly MDFU
as much as I hate it, it is the trend here, The other line I got
was Bodyguard which will be more stable than MDF. Containers are
cheap to buy and I have the room, but I have to eliminate the
condensation issue. Any Thoughts?
Thank you as always,
Glen
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
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hi.. while I cannot answer for David, I did purchase his survival guide as a PDF file not too long ago.? Best purchase I ever made
On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 04:44:49 AM PDT, Peter Low <peterlow_554@...> wrote:
Hi David Best
Is the pdf copy of your Survivors Guide still available?
Peter Low
On 28-7-2020 13:27, mike krockford wrote:
> didnt the author make this a free pdf a few years ago?
It should be available as PDF, but not for free AFAIK.
David Best is on the list as well. He should be able to provide you with
the details being the author.
Regards,
Jonathan
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Hi David Best
Is the pdf copy of your Survivors Guide still available?
Peter Low
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> didnt the author make this a free pdf a few years ago?
It should be available as PDF, but not for free AFAIK.
David Best is on the list as well. He should be able to provide you with
the details being the author.
Regards,
Jonathan
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On 28-7-2020 13:27, mike krockford wrote: didnt the author make this a free pdf a few years ago? It should be available as PDF, but not for free AFAIK. David Best is on the list as well. He should be able to provide you with the details being the author. Regards, Jonathan
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Re: Aigner Distometer alternative?
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I spent some time today fussing with fine adjustments on the shaper to get the cut just right with too many test cuts. ?I the remembered the Aigner Distometer. ?Did a search. ?Saw a comment that Joe Calhoon was not so fond of it. ?Saw a comment that the Distometer was discontinued. ?Saw a comment from some time ago by David Best that there was a new kid on the block, the Hebor H-50. ?I saw a Youtube video posted on it not too long ago
For those with shapers wanting to get the tooling height and depth of cut just right as fast as possible (other than presets), any recommendations? ?Not sure if this Hebor H-50 is the best option or the cost. ?
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Hi Rob I¡¯ve been looking out for a copy this book for ages. I¡¯m in Australia but am sure we can work out payment and transport if that¡¯s OK with you. I have a CF731S Pro and the knowledge contained in this book will be of enormous benefit to me and the machine. ? All the best Peter Low ? ? In about 2004 I purchased a copy of the?"Felder Unofficial Survival Guide"
?. It's been in hiding in my shop since I moved about six years ago. I sold my BF631 when I moved. However, I buying a Hammer, which will be shipping around the new year and need some money.?
If you want to buy it for $100, I'll sell it to one of you, rather then eBay it.
Rod?
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Hi Rob
I¡¯ve been looking out for a copy this book for ages. I¡¯m in Australia but am sure we can work out payment and transport if that¡¯s OK with you.
I have a CF731S Pro and the knowledge contained in this book will be of enormous benefit to me and the machine.
?
All the best
Peter Low
Email: peterlow_554@...
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of rodwolfy via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 1:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FOG] #forsale Felder Unofficial Survival Guide #repair
?
In about 2004 I purchased a copy of the
"Felder Unofficial Survival Guide"
?. It's been in hiding in my shop since I moved about six years ago. I sold my BF631 when I moved. However, I buying a Hammer, which will be shipping around the new year and need some money.?
If you want to buy it for $100, I'll sell it to one of you, rather then eBay it.
Rod
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I¡¯ve been looking out for a copy this book for ages. I¡¯m in Australia but am sure we can work out payment and transport if that¡¯s OK with you.
I have a CF731S Pro and the knowledge contained in this book will be of enormous benefit to me and the machine.
?
All the best
Peter Low
Email: peterlow_554@...
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The key to elimination of the condensation is ventilation. ?Install vents and a powered fan. ?We have done this in northern CA with good results.
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On Jul 27, 2020, at 9:11 PM, Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> wrote:
?I was wondering if anyone stores material in shipping containers. I was recently approved to be a distributor for moulding and hardwoods. I am moving forward with the building addition to accommodate that but that is a lot of nice footage to store product that i would like to keep for shop space . So in my thinking shipping containers would let me keep my new shop space. I know there are condensation problems with containers and trying to figure how to deal with that. I think the issue is manly MDFU as much as I hate it, it is the trend here, The other line I got was Bodyguard which will be more stable than MDF. Containers are cheap to buy and I have the room, but I have to eliminate the condensation issue. Any Thoughts?
Thank you as always,
Glen
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Re: Felder K975 arbor bearing
My remarks were intended for anyone who might be influenced by your your suggestion that it¡¯s as simple as removing the retaining collars to replace the bearings - it isn¡¯t that easy.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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David,
I am not going to remove the bearing. My point is the spindle bearing on my 2017 KF700S is sealed and meant to be replaced after a few years.
James ?
I¡¯ve been down this spindle bearing path before. ? At least in my experience, the bearings were pressed on with a slight interference fit.? You could use a bearing heater to expand new bearings enough to go onto the spindle, but getting the old ones off required an arbor press. ? Yours may be different, but just be aware that it may not be as simple as pulling off the retaining collars.
There are two bearings in the 1 1/4" shaper spindle. I do not think you can use a grease gun to pump the grease into it, cause there is no zerk.
I think the top bearing can be removed after unscrewing the ring above it, the bottom bearing can be removed by removing the cap below it.
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On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 11:45 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
There should be two small zerks.? I was remembering shields but maybe those bearings are open on one side.? A shielded won't get much help from outside greasing.? If you don't have the zerks, the bearings for sure are shielded.? If shielded on one side only,
it is sometimes easier to find ZZ and remove one rather than specify Z.? Dave
there should be a small hole with a ball. i cannot recall if there is one or two per bearing. IIRC, only one pump is recommended. cannot remember the frequency. if you give it more grease, it is not the end of the world. just bunch of cleaning
as it is flung out once spinning.
imran?
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David,
This is the 1 1/4" spindle on 2017 KF700.? I have no clue how to lubricate this bearing.
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
The shaper bearings at least are shielded, not sealed.? Sealed have a lower speed limit so shielded or open are needed when a larger, higher load bearing are needed at high speed.? That is why industrial shapers often used precision open bearings in oil.? The
oil and the higher precision allowed large high load bearings to run at much higher speeds than standard grease bearings with contact seals could operate.? The lubrication system needed came at a high cost though.? There is always a compromise.? Dave
I never did any maintenance on my KF700 and AD741 for 3+ years.?
So I bought grease and tried to lubricate the bearings, then I found out all the bearings on shaper spindle, saw and AD741 are sealed.?
Only maintenance needed is to lubricate the height adjustment spindle for the planer table, shaper and saw blade.
It is very difficult to get access to the saw height adjustment spindle, I bought the Felder spindle fluid, spray fluid on the small portion of the spindle I can see.
James
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded
the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.
Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?
John
JMK Services
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Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing
really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech
to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few
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That's 730 kWh/month reduction, which is $90 at $.0125/kWh, which seems to be about the residential rate where you live.
You new lights produce about 25% fewer lumens compared to average fluorescents, which is part of your savings.? If it seems just as bright, it's a testimony either to the previous bulbs being worse than average?and/or the benefits of LED being more directional, wasting fwer lumens.
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:53 AM Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: We swapped 72 T8 32 watt high bay for 14 watt, and 22 T8 32 watt for 10 watt. These are on 10-12 hours daily, almost every day. Not sure we're able to quantify any temperature induced savings or cost based on winter/summer. Someone could, but it's not me!
Jason
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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I bought a 40 foot high cube 2.5 years ago and was very worried about condensation too, but it has not been a problem at all. ? We go from just below freezing up to 45 celsius here in south east Australia and lots of wet thick fog in winter.? The container has stayed very dry and machinery has not rusted like it does in my shed. ? Good luck they are cheap storage for sure. Eric -- Eric J. Smith? Trading as W.G. Joinery ABN# 24 079 587 520 03 5784 9258 0411 264 272
PO BOX 353? Broadford Victoria
3658 Australia
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I was wondering if anyone stores material in shipping containers. I was recently approved to be a distributor for moulding and hardwoods. I am moving forward with the building addition to accommodate that but that is a lot of nice footage to store product that i would like to keep for shop space . So in my thinking shipping containers would let me keep my new shop space. I know there are condensation problems with containers and trying to figure how to deal with that. I think the issue is manly MDFU as much as I hate it, it is the trend here, The other line I got was Bodyguard which will be more stable than MDF. Containers are cheap to buy and I have the room, but I have to eliminate the condensation issue. Any Thoughts?
Thank you as always,
Glen
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Re: Joe in New Orleans is selling everything in his shop
Dave gets the tenon cutters!
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On Jul 27, 2020, at 10:16 PM, David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
? Joe, ? If nobody has spoken for the two tenon cutters...I'll take them. Thanks, Dave Davies Joe,
I would like 100 - 150 feet of the Cocobola.? Is the wood ?a mixture of thicknesses?? I¡¯ve actually got a little 4/4 and some 1 3/4¡± turning stock.? I¡¯m about six hours from New Orleans so I¡¯m tempted to pick it up. ? Can you get a freight quote to a terminal in Columbus, GA or Opelika/Auburn, AL? ? I¡¯d have to pick it up as larger trucks cannot get down my street. ?
Thanks? Johnny Johnson? 615-482-7992 ?Joe,
I received your private email and you are first in line for the CF731P.
I will break up the cocobolo. but no less than 100 bd/ft.
I will also send photos of the cocobolo as the low price is because there are defects and some boards have the pith.? These are things that can be worked around. ? The piece are all pretty large.
Joe in New Orleans
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Hi Joe, Hope all is well. I will take the CF731 and a couple hundred board feet of the Cocobolo (if you end up breaking up the lot). Shiping would be to Maryland.? You can email me at jkurtz505 at gmail. Thanks Joe Kurtz
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Felder K975 arbor bearing
I just checked my old F7 spindles and all have zerks too.? Good info on the nut.? They are common enough that you don't need to buy from Felder.? I'm remembering $5 or less but don't remember how long ago that was.? Dave
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Dave just for reference all my 2011 F700Z spindles 30mm, 1 1/4" and the router spindle have zerks. I think Felder went all sealed bearing for shapers and JPs around 2015. When I was in the trade we typically reused the nut if it was in good
shape and just added a couple of drops of blue loctite. Proper torque is the most important thing.
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From: David Kumm <davekumm@...>
Date: 2020-07-27 11:16 p.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
It might be that the zerks are only on the router spindle as those bearings need to run faster.? I can see the shield in the first picture.? For those that replace those bearings, an incandscent bulb can serve as a bearing heater.? I usually replace the lock
nut on the bottom as some say they shouldn't be reused.? I don't know so I err on the side of replacement.? Seals and shields are quite different and affect the speed limit of the bearings.? There are noncontact seals but they are rare and usually more expensive.?
Dave
There are two bearings in the 1 1/4" shaper spindle. I do not think you can use a grease gun to pump the grease into it, cause there is no zerk.
I think the top bearing can be removed after unscrewing the ring above it, the bottom bearing can be removed by removing the cap below it.
On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 11:45 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
There should be two small zerks.? I was remembering shields but maybe those bearings are open on one side.? A shielded won't get much help from outside greasing.? If you don't have the zerks, the bearings for sure are shielded.? If shielded on one side only,
it is sometimes easier to find ZZ and remove one rather than specify Z.? Dave
there should be a small hole with a ball. i cannot recall if there is one or two per bearing. IIRC, only one pump is recommended. cannot remember the frequency. if you give it more grease, it is not the end of the world. just bunch of cleaning
as it is flung out once spinning.
imran?
?
David,
This is the 1 1/4" spindle on 2017 KF700.? I have no clue how to lubricate this bearing.
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
The shaper bearings at least are shielded, not sealed.? Sealed have a lower speed limit so shielded or open are needed when a larger, higher load bearing are needed at high speed.? That is why industrial shapers often used precision open bearings in oil.? The
oil and the higher precision allowed large high load bearings to run at much higher speeds than standard grease bearings with contact seals could operate.? The lubrication system needed came at a high cost though.? There is always a compromise.? Dave
I never did any maintenance on my KF700 and AD741 for 3+ years.?
So I bought grease and tried to lubricate the bearings, then I found out all the bearings on shaper spindle, saw and AD741 are sealed.?
Only maintenance needed is to lubricate the height adjustment spindle for the planer table, shaper and saw blade.
It is very difficult to get access to the saw height adjustment spindle, I bought the Felder spindle fluid, spray fluid on the small portion of the spindle I can see.
James
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded
the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.
Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?
John
JMK Services
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Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing
really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech
to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few
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In about 2004 I purchased a copy of the "Felder Unofficial Survival Guide"
?. It's been in hiding in my shop since I moved about six years ago. I sold my BF631 when I moved. However, I buying a Hammer, which will be shipping around the new year and need some money.?
If you want to buy it for $100, I'll sell it to one of you, rather then eBay it.
Rod
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David P. Best
