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Re: Kaeser Airtower

 

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One more thought, I¡¯d ask around to find out what compressor dealer is most respected for either Ingersol Rand or Quincy and lean on them to put together a compressor and dryer system for your needs.? I spray and have general use.? I am running a 5HP Quincy with smaller pulleys and a 3HP motor so it¡¯s quieter and it still supplies plenty of air for my needs.? Bigger would just be louder and cycle on for shorter times.? I live in AZ and as much as I¡¯ve wanted to add a dryer because dry air is good, I¡¯ve never really needed one.?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joe Jensen
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 11:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Kaeser Airtower

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There are piston versions with dryer.? And it¡¯s easy to add a dryer.? Rick who replied should add a dryer as he lives on the ocean ?

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If buying new I would be a Quincy or Ingersol Rand with a dryer from the same maker.? I have an old Quincy with a oil pump like a car or truck for pressure driven lube.? When researching I found an article on compressor robustness written by a compressor dealer.? For every compressor they carry they require the manufacturer to supply one test unit and the test is to open the valve and turn it on, let it run all weekend.? They said very few splash lube compressors can run 48 hrs without seizing.? No Chinese pumps could handle the test.? This was maybe 10 years ago.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tom Morris
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Kaeser Airtower

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The reason I was looking at the Kaeser is the air dryer that is part of the system. Should I not be concerned about that?

Tom


Re: Kaeser Airtower

 

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There are piston versions with dryer.? And it¡¯s easy to add a dryer.? Rick who replied should add a dryer as he lives on the ocean ?

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If buying new I would be a Quincy or Ingersol Rand with a dryer from the same maker.? I have an old Quincy with a oil pump like a car or truck for pressure driven lube.? When researching I found an article on compressor robustness written by a compressor dealer.? For every compressor they carry they require the manufacturer to supply one test unit and the test is to open the valve and turn it on, let it run all weekend.? They said very few splash lube compressors can run 48 hrs without seizing.? No Chinese pumps could handle the test.? This was maybe 10 years ago.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tom Morris
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Kaeser Airtower

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The reason I was looking at the Kaeser is the air dryer that is part of the system. Should I not be concerned about that?

Tom


Re: Kaeser Airtower

 

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Depends on how heavy your use is and what applications you are going to use it for. Water separators can be enough unless in an extremely humid area.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: Tom Morris <morrist@...>
Date: 2020-07-17 1:20 p.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [FOG] Kaeser Airtower

The reason I was looking at the Kaeser is the air dryer that is part of the system. Should I not be concerned about that?

Tom


Re: Kaeser Airtower

 

Rick,

Was yours a Kaeser? Did you go back to a standard piston?

Thanks,
Tom


Re: Kaeser Airtower

 

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Almost everyone I know who put a screw-type compressor in their woodworking shop regrets the decision. ? They are designed for continuous use applications, not intermittent use - in spite of what Kaiser marketing BS claims.

David Best

https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/





On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Rick Fisher <rickfisher.cbs@...> wrote:

I am the hobbies Joe Jensen spoke about.? But mistake putting a rotary compressor in a home shop.? Mine died in 400 hours ?? Use ..? it was literally a boat anchor.??
Had mine run 10 hours a day it would still be in like new condition.? ?

Parts and oil is ridiculously expensive and the company basically refused to assist. It got a bit nasty but in the end they admitted it was the wrong application for the machine.? ?



On Fri., Jul. 17, 2020, 7:14 a.m. Tom Morris, <morrist@...> wrote:
I'm looking at replacing my compressor with a Kaeser Airtower. It comes in several different sizes of motors from 3hp to 7.5hp. Any recommendations on hp? The air tank is the same size regardless of hp.?

I'm also looking at a single phase motor because I don't want to overwhelm my 10hp phase converter.

Any thoughts would be appreciated,

Tom Morris
Wichita, KS?




Re: Kaeser Airtower

 

I am the hobbies Joe Jensen spoke about.? But mistake putting a rotary compressor in a home shop.? Mine died in 400 hours ?? Use ..? it was literally a boat anchor.??
Had mine run 10 hours a day it would still be in like new condition.? ?

Parts and oil is ridiculously expensive and the company basically refused to assist. It got a bit nasty but in the end they admitted it was the wrong application for the machine.? ?



On Fri., Jul. 17, 2020, 7:14 a.m. Tom Morris, <morrist@...> wrote:
I'm looking at replacing my compressor with a Kaeser Airtower. It comes in several different sizes of motors from 3hp to 7.5hp. Any recommendations on hp? The air tank is the same size regardless of hp.?

I'm also looking at a single phase motor because I don't want to overwhelm my 10hp phase converter.

Any thoughts would be appreciated,

Tom Morris
Wichita, KS?


Re: Kaeser Airtower

 

The reason I was looking at the Kaeser is the air dryer that is part of the system. Should I not be concerned about that?

Tom


Re: cf731s planer feed rollers

 

That is definitely different than mine. Well, less rubber wheels to go bad, that¡¯s a good thing.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com

On Jul 17, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Allen Akin <akin@...> wrote:

Here's the page from my parts list. Looks a bit different.

Part number 55 is the urethane-coated wheel in my setup.

Allen

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 07:40:02AM -0700, Brian Lamb wrote:
| Could be I suppose, mine is a 2001 vintage machine and an AD741. Here is the page from my parts list, shows the two wheels.
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| Brian Lamb
| blamb11@...
| www.lambtoolworks.com




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Re: cf731s planer feed rollers

 

Here's the page from my parts list. Looks a bit different.

Part number 55 is the urethane-coated wheel in my setup.

Allen

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 07:40:02AM -0700, Brian Lamb wrote:
| Could be I suppose, mine is a 2001 vintage machine and an AD741. Here is the page from my parts list, shows the two wheels.
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| Brian Lamb
| blamb11@...
| www.lambtoolworks.com


Re: cf731s planer feed rollers

 

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That will definitely ruin it in short order. Honestly, I¡¯m shocked it¡¯s lasted this long.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Jul 17, 2020, at 8:50 AM, charlie9g@... wrote:

brian et al

thanks for the tip.? i always leave the planer with either the high or low speed engaged and thus shortened the roller's life.? i always also wondered what the middle notch on the speed adjuster is for, which by your explanation is apparent.? mine is a 2000 machine.? i will see if there are two rollers.? thanks all for the lucid explanations.


Re: cf731s planer feed rollers

 

brian et al

thanks for the tip.? i always leave the planer with either the high or low speed engaged and thus shortened the roller's life.? i always also wondered what the middle notch on the speed adjuster is for, which by your explanation is apparent.? mine is a 2000 machine.? i will see if there are two rollers.? thanks all for the lucid explanations.


Re: Kaeser Airtower

 

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Hi Tom,

As John said, these are great if your air requirement is constant and at say 60%-80% of the capacity of the unit you choose. If your air use is intermittent then you are much better off with another type of compressor. First thing you need to know is what is your usage requirement. If it¡¯s under 5cfm on a normal basis, you¡¯d be better off with a Jun or Sil-Air type unit, they use scroll compressors like what are found in AC units and they run pretty much silent. To get a lot of CFM, you will need a unit with maybe 4 or 6 compressor heads though as they don¡¯t produce a whole lot of CFM per head. The unit pictured below puts out 6.36cfm.


If you want to spray, or use air tools, these generally won¡¯t keep up, so better to have a larger piston compressor for those times when you need volume. They make some units now in the 5hp and 60 to 80 gallon tanks that are specifically designed to run quieter, they use large pumps at lower rpm and tend to have silencers on the air intake, which is where most of the noise comes from. This is a unit that uses Eaton compressor heads, puts out 19cfm.

5hp quiet piston air compressor with 80 gallon tank

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Jul 17, 2020, at 7:14 AM, Tom Morris <morrist@...> wrote:

I'm looking at replacing my compressor with a Kaeser Airtower. It comes in several different sizes of motors from 3hp to 7.5hp. Any recommendations on hp? The air tank is the same size regardless of hp.?

I'm also looking at a single phase motor because I don't want to overwhelm my 10hp phase converter.

Any thoughts would be appreciated,

Tom Morris
Wichita, KS?


Re: Kaeser Airtower

 

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Yes what John said.? A hobbyist friend in Canada put one in and because he didn¡¯t run it a ton it rusted and was ruined within 18 months.? Apparently it needs to get hot enough to boil moisture from the oil or they rust.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of "jmkserv@...
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:28 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Kaeser Airtower

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IMHO unless your running it constantly all day it's a big waste of money. Screw compressors suck in low use situations.?

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John

JMK Services

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-------- Original message --------

From: Tom Morris <morrist@...>

Date: 2020-07-17 10:14 a.m. (GMT-05:00)

Subject: [FOG] Kaeser Airtower

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I'm looking at replacing my compressor with a Kaeser Airtower. It comes in several different sizes of motors from 3hp to 7.5hp. Any recommendations on hp? The air tank is the same size regardless of hp.?

I'm also looking at a single phase motor because I don't want to overwhelm my 10hp phase converter.

Any thoughts would be appreciated,

Tom Morris
Wichita, KS?


Re: cf731s planer feed rollers

 

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Could be I suppose, mine is a 2001 vintage machine and an AD741. Here is the page from my parts list, shows the two wheels.



Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Jul 16, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Allen Akin <akin@...> wrote:

Huh. ?I do have a two-speed planer, but I don't remember seeing a smaller urethane-coated wheel in the chassis. ?I don't see one in my parts diagram, either, and my sales guy didn't mention one when I ordered the replacement for the large wheel.

Maybe there's a model-year difference? ?Mine's a 2004.

Allen

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 04:31:03PM -0700, Brian Lamb wrote:
| If you have a two speed planer, you will have two wheels. I¡¯ve replaced mine twice now. First set within a few months of new because of some motor issues that allowed the machine to stall. The second set lasted about 18 years¡­ just replaced them six months ago.
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| Brian Lamb
| blamb11@...
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Re: Kaeser Airtower

 

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IMHO unless your running it constantly all day it's a big waste of money. Screw compressors suck in low use situations.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: Tom Morris <morrist@...>
Date: 2020-07-17 10:14 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Kaeser Airtower

I'm looking at replacing my compressor with a Kaeser Airtower. It comes in several different sizes of motors from 3hp to 7.5hp. Any recommendations on hp? The air tank is the same size regardless of hp.?

I'm also looking at a single phase motor because I don't want to overwhelm my 10hp phase converter.

Any thoughts would be appreciated,

Tom Morris
Wichita, KS?


Kaeser Airtower

 

I'm looking at replacing my compressor with a Kaeser Airtower. It comes in several different sizes of motors from 3hp to 7.5hp. Any recommendations on hp? The air tank is the same size regardless of hp.?

I'm also looking at a single phase motor because I don't want to overwhelm my 10hp phase converter.

Any thoughts would be appreciated,

Tom Morris
Wichita, KS?


Re: cf731s planer feed rollers

 

Huh. I do have a two-speed planer, but I don't remember seeing a smaller urethane-coated wheel in the chassis. I don't see one in my parts diagram, either, and my sales guy didn't mention one when I ordered the replacement for the large wheel.

Maybe there's a model-year difference? Mine's a 2004.

Allen

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 04:31:03PM -0700, Brian Lamb wrote:
| If you have a two speed planer, you will have two wheels. I¡¯ve replaced mine twice now. First set within a few months of new because of some motor issues that allowed the machine to stall. The second set lasted about 18 years¡­ just replaced them six months ago.
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| Brian Lamb
| blamb11@...
| www.lambtoolworks.com


Re: cf731s planer feed rollers

 

If you have a two speed planer, you will have two wheels. I¡¯ve replaced mine twice now. First set within a few months of new because of some motor issues that allowed the machine to stall. The second set lasted about 18 years¡­ just replaced them six months ago.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com

On Jul 16, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Allen Akin <akin@...> wrote:

Just replaced mine a few weeks ago. The most annoying part of the job is separating the machines. Replacing the urethane-covered drive wheel is straightforward.

Brian mentioned two wheels, but on my CF731SP I remember only one of the two (the large one) being urethane-covered. Maybe I missed something.

Allen



Re: cf731s planer feed rollers

 

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On Jul 16, 2020, at 5:37 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:

?It¡¯s the friction wheels that drive the feed rollers. There are two, a large one and a small one. Best to replace both at the same time, the urethane tends to get old and brittle. Also, always leave the feed mechanism in the center where it¡¯s disengaged when not actually running ?boards through the machine. The indentation on the urethane from the pressure against the drive wheel ruins the friction wheels.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Jul 16, 2020, at 3:00 PM, charlie9g@... wrote:

not a feed roller sorry it's a tensioner.


Re: cf731s planer feed rollers

 

Just replaced mine a few weeks ago. The most annoying part of the job is separating the machines. Replacing the urethane-covered drive wheel is straightforward.

Brian mentioned two wheels, but on my CF731SP I remember only one of the two (the large one) being urethane-covered. Maybe I missed something.

Allen