Re: Adjustable Groover Item # 03.0.033 depth of cut
Thanks Imran. ?Do you use both for cutting tenons or do you split one of them?
Michael
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Re: Adjustable Groover Item # 03.0.033 depth of cut
I have two of these and you can do 74mm deep cuts. Pretty close to 3”
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On May 27, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Michael Todrin <michaeltodrin@...> wrote: ?I wanted to see if anyone knows the depth of cut available when using the Felder Adjustable Groover as a tenon cutter on the shaper? Here is the link to the exact itemhttps://us.feldershop.com/en-US/en-US/en-US/Sawing/Tongue-and-groove-cutters/Adjustable-Dado-Cutter-for-Saw-Unit-RB-HW-Adjustable-groover-12-0-20-0-mm.html
I have the 700 series shaper with the 230mm hood. Are there any other options for tenon cutters that will get me 3 inches or so of depth that you recommend?
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Michael
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Besides sheet goods just doing long boards is a pain on my KF. I use a sled due to short slider but would be same if you had parallel clamps on a long slider. I have rough lumber that is all diff width but even if they are all same width and you are trying to preserve the width, you end up setting up width for each board on slider for the first straight line rip. Then I have to go to the other side to turn the saw on. I know you can leave it on to avoid this back and forth. In this example, the buttons on the slider end, if I had them, would still be covered, unless one can approach them from side.
Files section should have the pendent, as someone mentioned. That design can be implemented as an overhead pendent or one that is attached/placed on machine wherever convenient. A lot less than $1K.
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On May 27, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Acharya Kumarnathaswami <kumar@...> wrote: ?I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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TJ, I virtually never put my feeder down off of the table on my CF741. ?I only do so when cutting sheet goods, which is not very often. ?Of course, if you are using a lot of sheet goods, it will be more of an issue for you.
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Sure, if you expect to be walking around the machine it is a trip hazard.
Believe me, you are doing the right thing by staying away from mag base. When things go wrong there could be a big impulse of power and not sure how the mag base will handle that. Besides safety, mag base is not going to work even with a 3 wheel feeder unless you are Mr. Universe. Feeder without assist on tilt bracket is bad enough for most and therefore, fortunately, someone came up with big lift.
Imran On May 27, 2020, at 1:43 PM, TJ Cornish < tj@...> wrote: ? Interference of the extra long horizontal pipe during the 99%+ of the time the feeder will be folded down. From the pictures people have shared it looks like the standard feeder folds in fairly well but I don’t know if the longer horizontal arm will be in the way – it’s another 14” to trip on. ? The attractiveness of the mag base idea was that I could use the standard setup and just reposition it and/or move it to a future band saw, but I want to take the advice of those skeptical of the manner of loading and unloading the feeder as well as questions about magnet holding power for a feeder that heavy. It also seems like the 1/4HP and smaller feeders might be underpowered and therefore not really a complete safety answer on the 4HP shaper? ? For saw use, there are times when I think back that the feeder might have been nice on my cabinet saw. I don’t know if that’s more or less true with the slider – fritz/franz jigs for small pieces and clamping to the sliding table instead of using the table saw fence for a reference, etc. ? I’m here to learn – if I’m confused, please tell me. ? Thanks ? Why do you say, forget using it in the saw?
On May 27, 2020, at 1:13 PM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote:
?? Thanks for all the pictures and input. Should I forget about using it on the saw and just get the tilting bracket plus a DC40? It seems like overkill for what I need, but I would prefer if possible to not break bones or have fingers forcibly removed, so if a big feeder is what that takes, I’m willing to make the cash and space investment. ? I turn mine quite a ways around so it’s not really in the way. Machine is a CF741 with the Felder gas strut swing-away bracket.
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It sure is convenient when working with full sheets of plywood. ?It’s a nice to have, definitely not a necessity unless you can’t stand crawling under a sheet of plywood loaded on the slider after you forgot to start the saw.
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On May 27, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Michael Marsico <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
? I am not sure what the cost was but I did use mine a lot On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:17 PM Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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Adjustable Groover Item # 03.0.033 depth of cut
I wanted to see if anyone knows the depth of cut available when using the Felder Adjustable Groover as a tenon cutter on the shaper? Here is the link to the exact itemhttps://us.feldershop.com/en-US/en-US/en-US/Sawing/Tongue-and-groove-cutters/Adjustable-Dado-Cutter-for-Saw-Unit-RB-HW-Adjustable-groover-12-0-20-0-mm.html
I have the 700 series shaper with the 230mm hood. Are there any other options for tenon cutters that will get me 3 inches or so of depth that you recommend?
Thanks
Michael
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I am not sure what the cost was but I did use mine a lot
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:17 PM Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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I agree with John, if a lot of 1/2 to full sheets then worthwhile if you like to turn the saw on/off with sheet loaded otherwise it’s a nice to have. I typically just turn the saw on and go, I probably wouldn’t purchase it again if it meant not adding another “can’t” add it later.
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On May 27, 2020, at 2:23 PM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? If you do a lot of large panel work,?IMHO definitely worth it. On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:17 PM Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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There used to be instructions in the files section for building your own start switch.? It's wired but seemed fairly simple to make. Dave Davies
If you do a lot of large panel work,?IMHO definitely worth it.
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:17 PM Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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If you do a lot of large panel work,?IMHO definitely worth it.
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:17 PM Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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I'm looking for insights and experience for deciding whether it's worth the extra cost to get the option of power switches on the end of the slider for a KF 700. (Cost is $1,000-plus, I think.) Is it something you use a lot, or is the switch panel on the side sufficient? Thanks.
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Brian, you should fact check your statement.??
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Starting to drift, or already a flaming dumpster fire of misinformation?
I second David's suggestion.
Patrick
This is starting to drift into political posturing.? My request is that we drop this topic before the culture war infects this forum.
On May 27, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote:
Tough spot to be in, especially with the media hype and hysteria. The regular flu kills 50k-80k people a year and nobody gets their knicker in a knot over that… and before someone says this is going to be much worse, realize that the positive testings for Covid at about 50% accurate and hospitals get an immediate $35k from the government if they can stretch any reason to put Covid on a death certificate.?
Reminds me of when my dad passed away a couple years ago, he was 92, and they wanted to blame his death on smoking… he hadn’t smoke in over 45 years, and he died from of all things, an ear infection that they couldn’t get his system to beat.
It seems most comments are in the no-go column but assume most are seasoned woodworkers and non-work related.? My company rented exhibit space in Hall A.? Finale 25% payment is due June 5, it was extended from May 5 when no decision was made to have the show.? I expect attendance to be way down.? International will probably be the largest missing part. We will have to decide next week whether to cut losses or go and hope for a few good prospects.
BTW, there is no comparison between IWF and Las Vegas in overall size.? They both have the smaller shop equipment but IWF has the big automated industrial system suppliers like Weinig, Stiles, Dieffenbacher, Atlas Copco, Akzo Noble, Grass Blume, and several? hardwood and board suppliers.? Whole systems are set up and running.? A bigger wow factor.
If you are waiting for a vaccine, it could be a long one.
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Sure, if you expect to be walking around the machine it is a trip hazard.
Believe me, you are doing the right thing by staying away from mag base. When things go wrong there could be a big impulse of power and not sure how the mag base will handle that. Besides safety, mag base is not going to work even with a 3 wheel feeder unless you are Mr. Universe. Feeder without assist on tilt bracket is bad enough for most and therefore, fortunately, someone came up with big lift.
Imran
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On May 27, 2020, at 1:43 PM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote: ?
Interference of the extra long horizontal pipe during the 99%+ of the time the feeder will be folded down. From the pictures people have shared it looks like the standard feeder folds in fairly well but I don’t know if the longer horizontal
arm will be in the way – it’s another 14” to trip on.
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The attractiveness of the mag base idea was that I could use the standard setup and just reposition it and/or move it to a future band saw, but I want to take the advice of those skeptical of the manner of loading and unloading the feeder
as well as questions about magnet holding power for a feeder that heavy. It also seems like the 1/4HP and smaller feeders might be underpowered and therefore not really a complete safety answer on the 4HP shaper?
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For saw use, there are times when I think back that the feeder might have been nice on my cabinet saw. I don’t know if that’s more or less true with the slider – fritz/franz jigs for small pieces and clamping to the sliding table instead
of using the table saw fence for a reference, etc.
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I’m here to learn – if I’m confused, please tell me.
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Thanks
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Why do you say, forget using it in the saw?
On May 27, 2020, at 1:13 PM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote:
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Thanks for all the pictures and input. Should I forget about using it on the saw and just get the tilting bracket plus a DC40? It seems like overkill for what I need, but I would prefer if possible to not break bones or have fingers forcibly
removed, so if a big feeder is what that takes, I’m willing to make the cash and space investment.
?
I turn mine quite a ways around so it’s not really in the way. Machine is a CF741 with the Felder gas strut swing-away bracket.
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This is starting to drift into political posturing. ?My request is that we drop this topic before the culture war infects this forum.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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On May 27, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote:
Tough spot to be in, especially with the media hype and hysteria. The regular flu kills 50k-80k people a year and nobody gets their knicker in a knot over that… and before someone says this is going to be much worse, realize that the positive testings for Covid at about 50% accurate and hospitals get an immediate $35k from the government if they can stretch any reason to put Covid on a death certificate.?
Reminds me of when my dad passed away a couple years ago, he was 92, and they wanted to blame his death on smoking… he hadn’t smoke in over 45 years, and he died from of all things, an ear infection that they couldn’t get his system to beat.
It seems most comments are in the no-go column but assume most are seasoned woodworkers and non-work related.? My company rented exhibit space in Hall A.? Finale 25% payment is due June 5, it was extended from May 5 when no decision was made to have the show.? I expect attendance to be way down.? International will probably be the largest missing part. We will have to decide next week whether to cut losses or go and hope for a few good prospects.
BTW, there is no comparison between IWF and Las Vegas in overall size.? They both have the smaller shop equipment but IWF has the big automated industrial system suppliers like Weinig, Stiles, Dieffenbacher, Atlas Copco, Akzo Noble, Grass Blume, and several? hardwood and board suppliers.? Whole systems are set up and running.? A bigger wow factor.
If you are waiting for a vaccine, it could be a long one.
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Interference of the extra long horizontal pipe during the 99%+ of the time the feeder will be folded down. From the pictures people have shared it looks like the standard feeder folds in fairly well but I don’t know if the longer horizontal
arm will be in the way – it’s another 14” to trip on.
?
The attractiveness of the mag base idea was that I could use the standard setup and just reposition it and/or move it to a future band saw, but I want to take the advice of those skeptical of the manner of loading and unloading the feeder
as well as questions about magnet holding power for a feeder that heavy. It also seems like the 1/4HP and smaller feeders might be underpowered and therefore not really a complete safety answer on the 4HP shaper?
?
For saw use, there are times when I think back that the feeder might have been nice on my cabinet saw. I don’t know if that’s more or less true with the slider – fritz/franz jigs for small pieces and clamping to the sliding table instead
of using the table saw fence for a reference, etc.
?
I’m here to learn – if I’m confused, please tell me.
?
Thanks
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Why do you say, forget using it in the saw?
On May 27, 2020, at 1:13 PM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote:
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Thanks for all the pictures and input. Should I forget about using it on the saw and just get the tilting bracket plus a DC40? It seems like overkill for what I need, but I would prefer if possible to not break bones or have fingers forcibly
removed, so if a big feeder is what that takes, I’m willing to make the cash and space investment.
?
I turn mine quite a ways around so it’s not really in the way. Machine is a CF741 with the Felder gas strut swing-away bracket.
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- Dave Rossetti, Santa Fe
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Why do you say, forget using it in the saw?
Imran?
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On May 27, 2020, at 1:13 PM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote: ?
Thanks for all the pictures and input. Should I forget about using it on the saw and just get the tilting bracket plus a DC40? It seems like overkill for what I need, but I would prefer if possible to not break bones or have fingers forcibly
removed, so if a big feeder is what that takes, I’m willing to make the cash and space investment.
?
I turn mine quite a ways around so it’s not really in the way. Machine is a CF741 with the Felder gas strut swing-away bracket.
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Re: What sandpaper grits to order?
My two head gets 120-180.? The machine has basic adjustments and shares one motor.? When I need a lower grit, I remove the platen to take the second head out of the picture so I don't mess with the relationship between the two heads.? In some ways, a single
head is easier to cope with in a small usage shop.? My small 25" is set to match the planer with 180 ( assuming the battery hasn't died ).? If I go to lower than 150 I add X thou depending on the grit to compensate so I don't screw up my setting for the 180
planer match which is 90% of my use on that machine.? Dave
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We have 120 on our machine most times. We buy 60 and 80 for slab leveling work, and also 180. As Dave said, the 180 with the platten leaves a remarkable surface. That's a nice little machine, you'll enjoy it. Had one quite a few years ago now.
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Thanks for all the pictures and input. Should I forget about using it on the saw and just get the tilting bracket plus a DC40? It seems like overkill for what I need, but I would prefer if possible to not break bones or have fingers forcibly
removed, so if a big feeder is what that takes, I’m willing to make the cash and space investment.
?
I turn mine quite a ways around so it’s not really in the way. Machine is a CF741 with the Felder gas strut swing-away bracket.
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- Dave Rossetti, Santa Fe
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A close friend is a Dr volunteer on the county medial board for Maricopa Co AZ.? Apparently 80% of AZ deaths are in nursing homes or on the Navajo Nation
where 38% of home have no running water.? The median stay in a nursing home before death is 5 months.? The averages is 14 months which is skewed by a small number of people who live there for a long time.? Before Covid people would pass away in a nursing home
from all matter of things, even an ear infection.? Now Covid is the “cause” of death but most of these folks were just one setback from anything away from death.? Remember that a nursing home is a skilled care facility for people who need round the clock skilled
and nursing care.
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On Behalf Of Brian Lamb
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:54 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] IWF 2020
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Tough spot to be in, especially with the media hype and hysteria. The regular flu kills 50k-80k people a year and nobody gets their knicker in a knot over that… and before someone says this is going to be much worse, realize that the positive
testings for Covid at about 50% accurate and hospitals get an immediate $35k from the government if they can stretch any reason to put Covid on a death certificate.?
Reminds me of when my dad passed away a couple years ago, he was 92, and they wanted to blame his death on smoking… he hadn’t smoke in over 45 years, and he died from of all things, an ear infection that they couldn’t get his system to
beat.
?
?
It seems most comments are in the no-go column but assume most are seasoned woodworkers and non-work related.? My company rented exhibit space in Hall A.? Finale 25% payment is due June 5, it was extended from May 5 when no decision was
made to have the show.? I expect attendance to be way down.? International will probably be the largest missing part. We will have to decide next week whether to cut losses or go and hope for a few good prospects.
BTW, there is no comparison between IWF and Las Vegas in overall size.? They both have the smaller shop equipment but IWF has the big automated industrial system suppliers like Weinig, Stiles, Dieffenbacher, Atlas Copco, Akzo Noble, Grass Blume, and several?
hardwood and board suppliers.? Whole systems are set up and running.? A bigger wow factor.
If you are waiting for a vaccine, it could be a long one.
?
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