Can't wait to see it all in action
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 12:46:02 PM PST, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
No sawdust yet ¡®cause I don¡¯t ?have my dust collection... Soon though. Bird houses will be flying outa there!
Bill
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 13:38 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Oh C'mon Bill!! That's not a shop!! That's a damn catalog display for the Felder saw!! No sawdust anywhere..perfectly clean floor..tools all aligned and new..nah..you dont have a shop..poster for the Kappa saw..hahaha ??
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 10:24:41 AM PST, Bill B¨¦langer < bllblngr@...> wrote:
I use this in place of the butt bar... Multi use.?
Bill Belanger? On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 09:12 Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: I honestly cannot imagine using a slider without the butt bar. Unless you have your crosscut fence at the front (closest to you) and all you cut is small parts. For processing sheets or anything else large with the fence in the rear position, it's essential-especially if you don't have pneumatic clamps. The butt bar is what allows you to be able to keep the sheet against the fence. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
612 432-2765
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Ok, I drilled 6¡± holes in my wood floor for each machine and brought the piping up from the bottom since I had a 3 story building. Now that I¡¯ve sold the stuff off, any idea how to patch the holes?
Thanks? Bill belanger?
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 13:39 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
That's very true..my buddy did just that..works well..you can always fill the hole later
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 10:54:56 AM PST, Sang Luu < sangluu@...> wrote:
In setting up my K700S, I remember reading somewhere in the manual that you could technically use the transport hold downs that came with the machine to fasten to the floor. That would counteract weight shift of the slider & lumber. I don't like the idea of drilling into my floor but if you don't have a need to move it often, it's an option.??
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No sawdust yet ¡®cause I don¡¯t ?have my dust collection... Soon though. Bird houses will be flying outa there!
Bill
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 13:38 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Oh C'mon Bill!! That's not a shop!! That's a damn catalog display for the Felder saw!! No sawdust anywhere..perfectly clean floor..tools all aligned and new..nah..you dont have a shop..poster for the Kappa saw..hahaha ??
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 10:24:41 AM PST, Bill B¨¦langer < bllblngr@...> wrote:
I use this in place of the butt bar... Multi use.?
Bill Belanger? On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 09:12 Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: I honestly cannot imagine using a slider without the butt bar. Unless you have your crosscut fence at the front (closest to you) and all you cut is small parts. For processing sheets or anything else large with the fence in the rear position, it's essential-especially if you don't have pneumatic clamps. The butt bar is what allows you to be able to keep the sheet against the fence. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
612 432-2765
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
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That's very true..my buddy did just that..works well..you can always fill the hole later
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 10:54:56 AM PST, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote:
In setting up my K700S, I remember reading somewhere in the manual that you could technically use the transport hold downs that came with the machine to fasten to the floor. That would counteract weight shift of the slider & lumber. I don't like the idea of drilling into my floor but if you don't have a need to move it often, it's an option.??
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Oh C'mon Bill!! That's not a shop!! That's a damn catalog display for the Felder saw!! No sawdust anywhere..perfectly clean floor..tools all aligned and new..nah..you dont have a shop..poster for the Kappa saw..hahaha ??
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 10:24:41 AM PST, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
I use this in place of the butt bar... Multi use.?
Bill Belanger?
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 09:12 Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: I honestly cannot imagine using a slider without the butt bar. Unless you have your crosscut fence at the front (closest to you) and all you cut is small parts. For processing sheets or anything else large with the fence in the rear position, it's essential-especially if you don't have pneumatic clamps. The butt bar is what allows you to be able to keep the sheet against the fence. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
612 432-2765
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J. Holtz Furniture
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Yes it is Jonathan, it's a quickie I made years ago out of a cutoff and never bothered to change. It eliminates the potential binding of an improperly adjusted or positioned? rip fence.?
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John, is that a magnetic bump stop? Kindest regards
Jonathan Samways
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 19:54 Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq., < rohrabacher@...> wrote:
On 1/29/20 1:24 PM, "jmkserv@... wrote:
> How do we live without a butt bar from Jason
I have no idea what that is
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Get it Sang, and sell it if you don¡¯t like it. That¡¯s my approach... ?
Bill?
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:48 Sang Luu < sangluu@...> wrote: Was considering this but I think the fritz and franz jig/clamping method would serve the same purpose and wouldn't be at waist level, which I think would snag. I'm totally new to sliders, so I might change my mind later :)
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
I use? straight 10 or 20 weight? oil ( a hydraulic oil)
I considered using a way oil? like I do? for my milling machine but
rejected it because it is? high tack for large flat surfaces.
I Wipe the biog germs off? then wipe a little on and forget it for a few
months
I've tried the Dow Moly Dry film and didn't like it.? no moisture
protection and it's really dirty? black and messy
I've tried? running dry.
I like the light oil best.
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In setting up my K700S, I remember reading somewhere in the manual that you could technically use the transport hold downs that came with the machine to fasten to the floor. That would counteract weight shift of the slider & lumber. I don't like the idea of drilling into my floor but if you don't have a need to move it often, it's an option.??
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Butt bar is nice to have, it¡¯s always there so you don¡¯t need to grab the ff , I don¡¯t seem to run into it that much like i did with the table.? Regards, Mark
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:48 PM, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote:
?Was considering this but I think the fritz and franz jig/clamping method would serve the same purpose and wouldn't be at waist level, which I think would snag. I'm totally new to sliders, so I might change my mind later :)
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On 1/29/20 1:24 PM, "jmkserv@... wrote: How do we live without a butt bar from Jason I have no idea what that is
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Was considering this but I think the fritz and franz jig/clamping method would serve the same purpose and wouldn't be at waist level, which I think would snag. I'm totally new to sliders, so I might change my mind later :)
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Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn¡¯t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the ¡°off¡± switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Michael Tagge <mike.j.tagge@...> wrote:
? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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The bearings actually roll on the track of course..in my case of buying a used machine where maintenance was not even a close priority to the previous owner, a lot of build up was in the tracks and also in the bearings..there are 4 sets of 9 bearings in a case that roll on this track, if the bearings get sawdust build up inside of them due to a lack of cleaning and maintenance, they do not roll as smoothly as intended.. when I used the ballistol and a straw to inject it inside of the bearing housing, it helped a lot, along with the scotch pad on the tracks.. just worked great for me
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 10:18:59 AM PST, Michael Tagge <mike.j.tagge@...> wrote:
I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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I use this in place of the butt bar... Multi use.?
Bill Belanger?
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 09:12 Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: I honestly cannot imagine using a slider without the butt bar. Unless you have your crosscut fence at the front (closest to you) and all you cut is small parts. For processing sheets or anything else large with the fence in the rear position, it's essential-especially if you don't have pneumatic clamps. The butt bar is what allows you to be able to keep the sheet against the fence. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
612 432-2765
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J. Holtz Furniture
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Some interesting topics lately but as usual discussion drifts from the title. How do we live without a butt bar from Jason is a good one. So here are some things I've done to make my slider easier to use on a daily basis. Feel free to add yours and any comments.
With the air clamp there is a 10" flipstop extension also in the pic that now is rarely removed. 2 parallel guides one typically around the 4' mark and the other around 8', everything else I think is self explanatory. I should add Fritz and Fran jig also
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I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Typically had the carriage all they way forward load the slide the sheet on the long edge to the base of the saw, lift and put edge at the corner where the carriage and the alum slide meet then grab the opposite corner and let gravity do its job. Turn saw on if it¡¯s not already on and let er rip. I am using one hand on the sheet then maybe the other on slide table and sheet. Even now that I have the handle I still don¡¯t use it really they way it¡¯s being described here, it¡¯s mostly just an extra grab point for me now? Regards, Mark
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? Mark, How did you push the sheets up against the fence and hold them there with nothing to push back against? Are you holding onto the slider with one hand? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
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I guess because I have regularly cleaned the tracks since day one I have never had any buildup or rough operation like you describe. I've had more of an issue with the outrigger slide because of the way its configured. I have in the past tried wiping with WD40 sprayed on the rag not on the track bearings directly and didn't find any difference in the slider but did help the outrigger slide.
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:21 PM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Ok.. to clean the track of the slider, I used the maroon colored scotch pad and did all the tracks to get all the build up off..worked very well..make sure you really work the pad against the tracks and clean them off afterwards.. then I used the ballistol and sprayed it directly onto the track both on the bottom carriage and the slider as well and ran the sliding table back and forth really working it in.. then I added a straw to the ballistol and got down where I could just make out the bearings and gave a squirt into them.. all 4 sets and worked the slider back and forth for a few more minutes..then I cleanly wiped off all the parts woth a clean rag and made sure everything was wiped down and no drips or runs.? Slider rolls so smooth now..
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 08:53:50 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
I had the same question, still Looking but here is one article that may interest a few.
Imran? On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:23 PM, bacchus6015 <dohertyj@...> wrote:
? What is the difference between WD40 and Ballistol? ?
They both appear to be around 60% Aliphatic Hydrocarbon with some additives.
I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark ?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
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