Re: Felder Dado Set cut quality
are the Freud depth of cuts the same as the Felder depths? just asking
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 07:31:34 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Here's my Freud dado at normal feed rate that I use for most cuts in all materials, about 20'/min. It's 12 to 15 years old model SD508. It's been bored and pinhole.?
-------- Original message -------- From: "Randy Child via Groups.Io" <strongman_one@...> Date: 2020-01-27 10:11 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder Dado Set cut quality
The 20 and 30 second cuts looks acceptable, but the amount of time for the cut is really bad.. and wow..that 10 second cut really is horrible!?
I would love to see a comparison of several dado blades, such as a Forrest, Amana, Ridge, Felder..etc.. see which brand can cut the cleanest in least amount of time in melamine..
I personally think melamine, being a resinous coated material, is just a difficult substrate to cut cleanly 100% of the time.? I could be wrong though, but having used this material for years, I have found it to be a temperamental material at times.? I also know that there are different level of qualities of melamine.. for example, when I was at the Felder facility, they had several different brands of melamine and when I looked closely, several brands had a much tighter grain than other brands including the brand I brought in. That make a difference as well.
Thanks for sharing your results
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 06:57:57 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
We have had recent discussion about the quality of cut in Melamine. I had to do some 3/8" wide dado cuts so borrowed a friends Felder dado set to check it out. This is the first time I've used this particular set so I did a quick check of the carbide cutters and didn't find any problem with alignment. The pics shows the quality of cuts in a random melamine cutoff I had in the shop. There are 3 24" cuts done at various feed speeds. First cut was timed at 10 +- seconds or 12'/min, second cut at 20+- seconds or 6'/min and the third cut at 30 seconds 4'/min. As you can see the second cut is very similar to the cut from the other Dado set tuned by Felder. The third cut is clean but production time at 4'/min is unacceptable. These are similar to the results I got 10 years ago when I tested for Felder in Toronto area. You have to be the judge whether this is good for your application. For the record I didn't have any issues with any other materials cutting with the grain, crosscuts had a little chipout on veneers.. If there is any interest I will post cuts in other materials.
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Re: Felder Dado Set cut quality
Here's my Freud dado at normal feed rate that I use for most cuts in all materials, about 20'/min. It's 12 to 15 years old model SD508. It's been bored and pinhole.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: "Randy Child via Groups.Io" <strongman_one@...> Date: 2020-01-27 10:11 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder Dado Set cut quality
The 20 and 30 second cuts looks acceptable, but the amount of time for the cut is really bad.. and wow..that 10 second cut really is horrible!?
I would love to see a comparison of several dado blades, such as a Forrest, Amana, Ridge, Felder..etc.. see which brand can cut the cleanest in least amount of time in melamine..
I personally think melamine, being a resinous coated material, is just a difficult substrate to cut cleanly 100% of the time.? I could be wrong though, but having used this material for years, I have found it to be a temperamental material at times.? I also know that there are different level of qualities of melamine.. for example, when I was at the Felder facility, they had several different brands of melamine and when I looked closely, several brands had a much tighter grain than other brands including the brand I brought in. That make a difference as well.
Thanks for sharing your results
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 06:57:57 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
We have had recent discussion about the quality of cut in Melamine. I had to do some 3/8" wide dado cuts so borrowed a friends Felder dado set to check it out. This is the first time I've used this particular set so I did a quick check of the carbide cutters and didn't find any problem with alignment. The pics shows the quality of cuts in a random melamine cutoff I had in the shop. There are 3 24" cuts done at various feed speeds. First cut was timed at 10 +- seconds or 12'/min, second cut at 20+- seconds or 6'/min and the third cut at 30 seconds 4'/min. As you can see the second cut is very similar to the cut from the other Dado set tuned by Felder. The third cut is clean but production time at 4'/min is unacceptable. These are similar to the results I got 10 years ago when I tested for Felder in Toronto area. You have to be the judge whether this is good for your application. For the record I didn't have any issues with any other materials cutting with the grain, crosscuts had a little chipout on veneers.. If there is any interest I will post cuts in other materials.
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Re: Felder Dado Set cut quality
The 20 and 30 second cuts looks acceptable, but the amount of time for the cut is really bad.. and wow..that 10 second cut really is horrible!?
I would love to see a comparison of several dado blades, such as a Forrest, Amana, Ridge, Felder..etc.. see which brand can cut the cleanest in least amount of time in melamine..
I personally think melamine, being a resinous coated material, is just a difficult substrate to cut cleanly 100% of the time.? I could be wrong though, but having used this material for years, I have found it to be a temperamental material at times.? I also know that there are different level of qualities of melamine.. for example, when I was at the Felder facility, they had several different brands of melamine and when I looked closely, several brands had a much tighter grain than other brands including the brand I brought in. That make a difference as well.
Thanks for sharing your results
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 06:57:57 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
We have had recent discussion about the quality of cut in Melamine. I had to do some 3/8" wide dado cuts so borrowed a friends Felder dado set to check it out. This is the first time I've used this particular set so I did a quick check of the carbide cutters and didn't find any problem with alignment. The pics shows the quality of cuts in a random melamine cutoff I had in the shop. There are 3 24" cuts done at various feed speeds. First cut was timed at 10 +- seconds or 12'/min, second cut at 20+- seconds or 6'/min and the third cut at 30 seconds 4'/min. As you can see the second cut is very similar to the cut from the other Dado set tuned by Felder. The third cut is clean but production time at 4'/min is unacceptable. These are similar to the results I got 10 years ago when I tested for Felder in Toronto area. You have to be the judge whether this is good for your application. For the record I didn't have any issues with any other materials cutting with the grain, crosscuts had a little chipout on veneers.. If there is any interest I will post cuts in other materials.
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Felder Dado Set cut quality
We have had recent discussion about the quality of cut in Melamine. I had to do some 3/8" wide dado cuts so borrowed a friends Felder dado set to check it out. This is the first time I've used this particular set so I did a quick check of the carbide cutters and didn't find any problem with alignment. The pics shows the quality of cuts in a random melamine cutoff I had in the shop. There are 3 24" cuts done at various feed speeds. First cut was timed at 10 +- seconds or 12'/min, second cut at 20+- seconds or 6'/min and the third cut at 30 seconds 4'/min. As you can see the second cut is very similar to the cut from the other Dado set tuned by Felder. The third cut is clean but production time at 4'/min is unacceptable. These are similar to the results I got 10 years ago when I tested for Felder in Toronto area. You have to be the judge whether this is good for your application. For the record I didn't have any issues with any other materials cutting with the grain, crosscuts had a little chipout on veneers.. If there is any interest I will post cuts in other materials.
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He was suppose to reply to me, but never did..haha
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 06:32:34 AM PST, Al Lajiness via Groups.Io <lajiness@...> wrote:
Hi Frances, Do you still have the dado for sale? If you do you can contact me at lajiness@...Thanks, Al
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Hi Frances, Do you still have the dado for sale? If you do you can contact me at lajiness@...Thanks, Al
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A cabinetshop I used to work in, had a Robland.? It was an absolute HORRIBLE Saw.. I hated it and vowed to never buy a Robland anything.? I felt the design was extremely poor and it never kept it's calibration and always had issues.? I could have been that that particular saw was a lemon, but it soured me from any future Robland purchases
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 05:25:32 AM PST, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote:
1K to much scrap iron when it was new Designing and building for 47 years On Jan 26, 2020, at 10:32 PM, Benjamin Thompson via Groups.Io <scribbleben@...> wrote:
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Hi,
Probably a dumb question, but...
There¡¯s a robland x31 on ebay that is missing its table saw table and and an outfeed table for the planer. Looks like a laguna era machine:
It does have the rails on which the table slides.?
Are felder accessories/ tables compatible with Robland??
Would this machine be pure folly to pursue? ?
Note¡ª i¡¯ve posted a similar question on the robland boards. (I know, I¡¯m undercutting my bidding advantage).?
Thanks Felder folks.?
Ben Sent from my phone. Imagine that!?
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On Jan 26, 2020, at 10:32 PM, Benjamin Thompson via Groups.Io <scribbleben@...> wrote:
? Hi,
Probably a dumb question, but...
There¡¯s a robland x31 on ebay that is missing its table saw table and and an outfeed table for the planer. Looks like a laguna era machine:
It does have the rails on which the table slides.?
Are felder accessories/ tables compatible with Robland??
Would this machine be pure folly to pursue? ?
Note¡ª i¡¯ve posted a similar question on the robland boards. (I know, I¡¯m undercutting my bidding advantage).?
Thanks Felder folks.?
Ben Sent from my phone. Imagine that!?
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Benjamin, Not sure what you are after but this appears to be a major project. I have no clue his easy it would be to find missing parts. There is no commonality between Felder and Robland parts.
I know of an older gentleman who advertised here an older Felder combo located in Virginia.?I am not sure if it is still available.?Let me know if you would like me to look that up.
Imran? On Jan 27, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Benjamin Thompson via Groups.Io <scribbleben@...> wrote:
? Hi,
Probably a dumb question, but...
There¡¯s a robland x31 on ebay that is missing its table saw table and and an outfeed table for the planer. Looks like a laguna era machine:
It does have the rails on which the table slides.?
Are felder accessories/ tables compatible with Robland??
Would this machine be pure folly to pursue? ?
Note¡ª i¡¯ve posted a similar question on the robland boards. (I know, I¡¯m undercutting my bidding advantage).?
Thanks Felder folks.?
Ben Sent from my phone. Imagine that!?
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Hi,
Probably a dumb question, but...
There¡¯s a robland x31 on ebay that is missing its table saw table and and an outfeed table for the planer. Looks like a laguna era machine:
It does have the rails on which the table slides.?
Are felder accessories/ tables compatible with Robland??
Would this machine be pure folly to pursue? ?
Note¡ª i¡¯ve posted a similar question on the robland boards. (I know, I¡¯m undercutting my bidding advantage).?
Thanks Felder folks.?
Ben Sent from my phone. Imagine that!?
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Michael, look for a private msg from me with some machine quotes that I received in 2019.
Imran On Jan 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Michael Glaser <1michaelglaser1@...> wrote:
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I have an account and it is only showing list prices for the k700 and under. No 940/format/Kappa pricing. It says "Request free quote" - instead.
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I have an account and it is only showing list prices for the k700 and under. No 940/format/Kappa pricing. It says "Request free quote" - instead.
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You can get the list price if you make an account with username and password. Pretty simple.
Bill Belanger?
Bill,
Thanks for the reply. I am curious what the costs of all these machines are. Would be great if Felder had them listed. At least the "List price"?
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Bill,
Thanks for the reply. I am curious what the costs of all these machines are. Would be great if Felder had them listed. At least the "List price"?
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For the saws without the display looks like the switch to select scoring on/off is on the front panel, you can see it on the k740. Imho that config would be a bit of a pain, I would end up just leaving on all the time. I have mechanical scoring so not an issue for me
I also included some pics of the k700s start stop wiring
Regards, Mark
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On Jan 26, 2020, at 8:06 PM, "david@..." <david@...> wrote:
? Thanks, Bill, that makes sense. ? Looks like they¡¯ve rethought how the scoring saw start function is controlled. ? Here¡¯s my heads-up display (two start buttons just like on the remote):
When I bought my Kappa 400 xMotion, automatic elevation of the scoring saw when it was turned on was an option. ? Looking at the Felder web site, the automatic elevation of the scoring saw is still an option (#88):
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff> The switching configuration on your machine only works properly with that option installed. ? I wonder what the switching configuration looks like when the auto-elevation system is NOT installed - particularly at the remote end.
David Best
This switch determines if the scoring starts up with the main blade or not...
Bill Belanger It would appear that Felder has changed the remote start setup - at least for the USA. ? ?My Kappa 400 xMotion has two green ON buttons for remote start - one for the main saw blade, a second one for the scoring saw. ? This photo is taken from the Felder video on their web site documenting the remote start switches, and my Kappa 400 is exactly like this, and both buttons trigger the start function wirelessly:
On that same web page is a photo that documents a START and a STOP button, and a couple of users here have confirmed their machines are configured in this manner:
I appears the single start switch turns on both the main saw blade AND the scoring unit, which would drive me absolutely crazy, since my scoring saw automatically elevates into position when turned on. ? I may be misinterpreting this and would love to hear from a user with the newer style remote if that single switch does in fact fire up both saw and scoring units. ? ?If it does not, then do you still have to crawl under the plywood sheet mounted to the slider to start the scoring unit? ??
This seems illogical to me. ? Perhaps there is another switch somewhere that configures the single remote start button as to whether it starts only the main saw, or both the main saw and scoring. ? I would much rather have independent start buttons for ?saw and scorer than a stop button, since you can easily reach the stop switch on the face of the machine after cutting panel goods.
For decades Felder has maintained that putting a remote stop switch on the slider was not allowed by regulation since it was a wireless connection, and thus ¡°unsafe¡±. ? Now it appears, based on Mark¡¯s testimony, they have added a wired circuit at least for the STOP function. ? I wonder if this setup conforms to European regulations.
David Best
My machine is a KF700 or 700S (I cant recall what the differnece is)
My slider has a remote start, but no remote stop (which is a bit frustrating).??
Having had the experience, I would go for a saw with a remote stop as it would be much more convenient (none of the stop switches are conveniently located when you are cutting big sheets).
Cheers
David
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My saw has just the start switches for both the main blade and scoring..no stop switch?
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 03:59:55 PM PST, david@... <david@...> wrote:
It would appear that Felder has changed the remote start setup - at least for the USA. ? ?My Kappa 400 xMotion has two green ON buttons for remote start - one for the main saw blade, a second one for the scoring saw. ? This photo is taken from the Felder video on their web site documenting the remote start switches, and my Kappa 400 is exactly like this, and both buttons trigger the start function wirelessly:
On that same web page is a photo that documents a START and a STOP button, and a couple of users here have confirmed their machines are configured in this manner:
I appears the single start switch turns on both the main saw blade AND the scoring unit, which would drive me absolutely crazy, since my scoring saw automatically elevates into position when turned on. ? I may be misinterpreting this and would love to hear from a user with the newer style remote if that single switch does in fact fire up both saw and scoring units. ? ?If it does not, then do you still have to crawl under the plywood sheet mounted to the slider to start the scoring unit? ??
This seems illogical to me. ? Perhaps there is another switch somewhere that configures the single remote start button as to whether it starts only the main saw, or both the main saw and scoring. ? I would much rather have independent start buttons for ?saw and scorer than a stop button, since you can easily reach the stop switch on the face of the machine after cutting panel goods.
For decades Felder has maintained that putting a remote stop switch on the slider was not allowed by regulation since it was a wireless connection, and thus ¡°unsafe¡±. ? Now it appears, based on Mark¡¯s testimony, they have added a wired circuit at least for the STOP function. ? I wonder if this setup conforms to European regulations.
David Best
My machine is a KF700 or 700S (I cant recall what the differnece is)
My slider has a remote start, but no remote stop (which is a bit frustrating).??
Having had the experience, I would go for a saw with a remote stop as it would be much more convenient (none of the stop switches are conveniently located when you are cutting big sheets).
Cheers
David
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I do have a K500 and while the K500s has a longer chassis under the sliding table to accept longer sliders, I am not sure it is precise enough for a DRO.
By the way, the outrigger and rip fence DRO is only available starting at the 700 level according to the Felder web site.
Between the K500 and kappa, you have 4 levels: 540, 700, 740, and 940. I am sure others would chime in, but I would look at 700 series if you are hesitating about a 500 series before going upper in the levels.
I would personally go for K700 if I need DRO.
I am doing the same stuff as you plan to do, but only as a hobbyist. I am fine with my K500 when I compare my results with what I saw made by professionals. However, if I have to do it professionally I would go with DRO for ease of use and speed. No need in my case, I can take time to get the dimension right by test and error :) and use a dial caliper to get my dado blade height correct.
Bill
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Thanks, Bill, that makes sense. ? Looks like they¡¯ve rethought how the scoring saw start function is controlled. ? Here¡¯s my heads-up display (two start buttons just like on the remote):
When I bought my Kappa 400 xMotion, automatic elevation of the scoring saw when it was turned on was an option. ? Looking at the Felder web site, the automatic elevation of the scoring saw is still an option (#88):
 The switching configuration on your machine only works properly with that option installed. ? I wonder what the switching configuration looks like when the auto-elevation system is NOT installed - particularly at the remote end.
David Best
This switch determines if the scoring starts up with the main blade or not...
Bill Belanger
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It would appear that Felder has changed the remote start setup - at least for the USA. ? ?My Kappa 400 xMotion has two green ON buttons for remote start - one for the main saw blade, a second one for the scoring saw. ? This photo is taken from the Felder video on their web site documenting the remote start switches, and my Kappa 400 is exactly like this, and both buttons trigger the start function wirelessly:
On that same web page is a photo that documents a START and a STOP button, and a couple of users here have confirmed their machines are configured in this manner:
I appears the single start switch turns on both the main saw blade AND the scoring unit, which would drive me absolutely crazy, since my scoring saw automatically elevates into position when turned on. ? I may be misinterpreting this and would love to hear from a user with the newer style remote if that single switch does in fact fire up both saw and scoring units. ? ?If it does not, then do you still have to crawl under the plywood sheet mounted to the slider to start the scoring unit? ??
This seems illogical to me. ? Perhaps there is another switch somewhere that configures the single remote start button as to whether it starts only the main saw, or both the main saw and scoring. ? I would much rather have independent start buttons for ?saw and scorer than a stop button, since you can easily reach the stop switch on the face of the machine after cutting panel goods.
For decades Felder has maintained that putting a remote stop switch on the slider was not allowed by regulation since it was a wireless connection, and thus ¡°unsafe¡±. ? Now it appears, based on Mark¡¯s testimony, they have added a wired circuit at least for the STOP function. ? I wonder if this setup conforms to European regulations.
David Best
My machine is a KF700 or 700S (I cant recall what the differnece is)
My slider has a remote start, but no remote stop (which is a bit frustrating).??
Having had the experience, I would go for a saw with a remote stop as it would be much more convenient (none of the stop switches are conveniently located when you are cutting big sheets).
Cheers
David
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Michael Glaser
Bill Belanger
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