Re: power feeder on A3-31 - possible? - Added security?
Tom this was all discussed within the last 6 months. Don't know how easy it is to search but the just of the conversation was a strong pedestal mounted to a floor or concrete wall would support a feeder. From my own experience using one on an AD951 best to use something like a F38 or equivalent with good yellow urethane wheels. Personally I think the smart stand is a complete waste of money for a PF on a jointer but that's up to your pocketbook. There are also PF's designed specifically for jointer apps.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: tom@... Date: 2020-01-26 5:10 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] power feeder on A3-31 - possible? - Added security?
Thanks for the tip re: Smart Stand.? Yeah, it makes sense that the "lighter" models of jointer/planer made not have sufficiently robust frames to support the power feeder/bracket. That being said, in a pinch a guy could always weld some C-channel or tube steel to the frame..... -- Tom Gensmer Heritage Home Renewals, LLC Minneapolis, MN
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I love the start/stop on the slider.. it just totally makes it easier to start up the main blade and scoring blade when cutting sheet goods..it was one of the main reasons I bought this particular saw. My old SCMI slider didnt have this feature and I would always have to crawl under the sheet to start up the saw.. drove me nuts
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 01:56:03 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks guys. From responses, appears Felder has done it both ways. My K975 does not have switches on slider. It would be an interesting project to do some mod. I think a pendent is the most user friendly option. Making it wireless would be interesting.?
Would like to hear from users about pendent vs switches on slider.
Imran On Jan 26, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Bill Bélanger <bllblngr@...> wrote:
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Bill Belanger? On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 10:24 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Bill.what saw do you have?
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 09:21:25 AM PST, Bill Bélanger < bllblngr@...> wrote:
There is a set of wires that runs from the remote switches inside the table. There is also a wire that plugs from the slider to the base.
Bill Belanger On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 09:18 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow,? I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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Re: power feeder on A3-31 - possible? - Added security?
Thanks for the tip re: Smart Stand.?
Yeah, it makes sense that the "lighter" models of jointer/planer made not have sufficiently robust frames to support the power feeder/bracket. That being said, in a pinch a guy could always weld some C-channel or tube steel to the frame.....
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Thanks guys. From responses, appears Felder has done it both ways. My K975 does not have switches on slider. It would be an interesting project to do some mod. I think a pendent is the most user friendly option. Making it wireless would be interesting.?
Would like to hear from users about pendent vs switches on slider.
Imran On Jan 26, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Bill Bélanger <bllblngr@...> wrote:
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Bill Belanger? On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 10:24 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Bill.what saw do you have?
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 09:21:25 AM PST, Bill Bélanger < bllblngr@...> wrote:
There is a set of wires that runs from the remote switches inside the table. There is also a wire that plugs from the slider to the base.
Bill Belanger On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 09:18 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow,? I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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Re: power feeder on A3-31 - possible? - Added security?
Felder did not offer one with a riser in the back and David Best added a 6” riser on his Felder bracket to accommodate smart stand installation. Since I did not have any bracket, I designed one for my Dual51. Not that it is rocket science this Felder’s bracket looks identical in basic design.
If anyone has any desire to go with a smart stand make sure that the riser is 6” back and 6”tall. This Felder bracket appears short (just from looking at proportions) on both dimensions.
Finally, I do not have A31 or A41 but from discussions here, the issue with models that are not prepped by Felder for PF installation is that there is not enough strong steel frame available on the back side.
Imran On Jan 27, 2020, at 12:59 AM, tom@... wrote:
?With my new A3-41 on track for a late-March arrival, I was reminded of this thread and had a question. Looking at the Felder catalog, there is a power feeder mounting bracket available for the AD-951 and Format/4 Plan/Dual 51 "for serial planing operations", part # 430-112:?? <Screen Shot 2020-01-26 at 1.56.36 PM.png> If someone wanted a power feeder on a A3-XX, is there a reason this wouldn't work, other than likely having to drill your own holes? I don't have immediate plans to mount a power feeder, but it's nice to have an option should I decide to pursue it.... -- Tom Gensmer Heritage Home Renewals, LLC Minneapolis, MN
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Re: power feeder on A3-31 - possible? - Added security?
With my new A3-41 on track for a late-March arrival, I was reminded of this thread and had a question. Looking at the Felder catalog, there is a power feeder mounting bracket available for the AD-951 and Format/4 Plan/Dual 51 "for serial planing operations", part # 430-112:??  If someone wanted a power feeder on a A3-XX, is there a reason this wouldn't work, other than likely having to drill your own holes? I don't have immediate plans to mount a power feeder, but it's nice to have an option should I decide to pursue it.... -- Tom Gensmer Heritage Home Renewals, LLC Minneapolis, MN
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Forgot to add, the stop is wired, the start is wireless on the k700s
Regards, Mark
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On Jan 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Mark Kessler via Groups.Io <mkessler10@...> wrote:
?On the k700s it is wired, the send 24v through one of the slide rail, the cord is on the bottom of the fixed portion of the slide extrusion
Regards, Mark
On Jan 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow, I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 10:24 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Bill.what saw do you have?
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 09:21:25 AM PST, Bill Bélanger < bllblngr@...> wrote:
There is a set of wires that runs from the remote switches inside the table. There is also a wire that plugs from the slider to the base.
Bill Belanger On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 09:18 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow,? I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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Bill.what saw do you have?
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 09:21:25 AM PST, Bill Bélanger <bllblngr@...> wrote:
There is a set of wires that runs from the remote switches inside the table. There is also a wire that plugs from the slider to the base.
Bill Belanger
On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 09:18 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow,? I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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There is a set of wires that runs from the remote switches inside the table. There is also a wire that plugs from the slider to the base.
Bill Belanger
On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 09:18 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow,? I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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Re: Positioning Air Connections for Mac's Airtight clamps
#airtight
Now that’s great service!
Bill Belanger?
When I bought my clamps, Mac included the plates predrilled and ready togo. All I had to do was send him the un-drilled plates.
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They convey it wirelessly.? In the electrical panel that houses the start/stop switches, the wireless modules are located there. These modules relay yo the motor to start up when the switches are pushed.? There is a transmitter receiver behind the switches on the sliding table.? Under the blavk plastic handle/tray of the remote switche is a coverplate that houses the 9v battery needed to work the remote switches.
Hope this makes sense..haha
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 08:18:48 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow,? I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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On the k700s it is wired, the send 24v through one of the slide rail, the cord is on the bottom of the fixed portion of the slide extrusion
Regards, Mark
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On Jan 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow, I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow, I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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Re: Positioning Air Connections for Mac's Airtight clamps
#airtight
When I bought my clamps, Mac included the plates predrilled and ready togo. All I had to do was send him the un-drilled plates.
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Re: CF 741 intermittent start
I had a problem starting the saw only on my CF 741.? All other functions worked.? The plugs that connect to the saw start and stop buttons came loose behind the panel.? So to trouble shoot there are interlock switches on the slide cover, the planer and planer hood.? These are connected in series to the e-stop and push button stops.? (why there is a mix of e-stops and push button stops is a German engineering mystery)? Push any one of these to drop out power to the magnet that holds a motor on function.? In my case, pushing the stop button on the saw when the planer was running did not stop the planer. This pointed to a bad connection at the saw start-stop button panel. ? Jon S ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ahazi
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 7:33 AM
To: Chris Twigger; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] CF 741 intermittent start? My 2006 vintage CF741P was in storage while I moved to a new house and built a new shop. I had a permanent problem after I moved the machine to the new shop not being able to start any of the functions on the CF741P so I traced the diagram and found the bad STOP switch. I found a replacement on Amazon, much cheaper and quicker to get:
Also the switch actuator for raising and lowering the planer table broke and I found the exact replacement on Amazon:
I hope this will be helpful to someone.
Ariel
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Re: CF 741 intermittent start
The only info I will add is that, from your description of blade cover MicroSwitch, your switch is working. It disables and enables, so both positions are providing whatever is necessary, electrically. So you should be able to adjust the position of the switch to make it work as intended. The screws on the MicroSwitch on the blade cover of K975 (diff cover) go in slots, so it can be moved fwd/backwards. Hopefully, yours is similar.
Imran On Jan 26, 2020, at 8:40 AM, murrayau1 <murraywp@...> wrote:
?Hi all
I am having issues with my CF 741 combination machine. It quite regularly goes dead and refuses to start.
The master switch which controls which part of the combo is functioning has a setting for reverse direction shaper. When you select this, a yellow light is illuminated so it offers an indirect way of finding out whether the machine is powered up. Mostly when I have the no start the yellow light comes on, this seems to indicate a safety microswitch issue. However I recently had an incident where the yellow light did not come on and I fiddled with the red mushroom switch on the jointer and it came good. You have to rotate this switch so that it pops out and I suspect mine may be a bit flaky, has anyone had problems with these? most of the time however I think the problems are due to the safety micro switches.
The microswitch on the saw blade cover is an issue, if I have a cover fully shut the saw won't start, I have to leave at about half an inch ajar. You can generally hear these switches clicking, is this clicking any indication that they are actually working electrically?
Is it the case that if any of the safety micro switches are not enabled for any part of the combo machine nothing will work? That is to say if a microswitch for the saw is indicating a problem then you can't start the jointer. If this is the case it does seem rather daft as it makes it really hard for the poor user to work out which micro switches are at fault. Is it safe to blow the microswitches? with air and is this likely to do any good?
I believe the CF 741 as the following micro switches:
saw blade cover open
planer jointer table down
planer jointer table up
dust hood in planar mode
dust hood in jointer? mode
Is there any way of easily diagnosing which is at fault?
thanks
Murray
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Re: CF 741 intermittent start
My 2006 vintage CF741P was in storage while I moved to a new house and built a new shop. I had a permanent problem after I moved the machine to the new shop not being able to start any of the functions on the CF741P so I traced the diagram and found the bad STOP switch. I found a replacement on Amazon, much cheaper and quicker to get:
Also the switch actuator for raising and lowering the planer table broke and I found the exact replacement on Amazon:
I hope this will be helpful to someone.
Ariel
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Re: CF 741 intermittent start
I have the same issues with a CF 731, happened twice?
Can't help re repair, but would be interested to know if other combi owners are having the same issues.? ?
Regards?
Chris Twigger in the UK
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Re: CF 741 intermittent start
All the micro switches and stop buttons are wired together (NC normally closed), if you have a yellow light when in reverse, then the circuit is good. If the yellow light is on and it still wont start, then it could be the start buttons, they are all momentary switches (NO, normally open). All the switches on the machine can be effected by dust, some folks have had luck taking the covers off and blowing things out, some you just have to replace.
You can check them using a multimeter, but you have to get access to the wiring.
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On Jan 25, 2020, at 10:40 PM, murrayau1 < murraywp@...> wrote:
Hi all
I am having issues with my CF 741 combination machine. It quite regularly goes dead and refuses to start.
The master switch which controls which part of the combo is functioning has a setting for reverse direction shaper. When you select this, a yellow light is illuminated so it offers an indirect way of finding out whether the machine is powered up. Mostly when I have the no start the yellow light comes on, this seems to indicate a safety microswitch issue. However I recently had an incident where the yellow light did not come on and I fiddled with the red mushroom switch on the jointer and it came good. You have to rotate this switch so that it pops out and I suspect mine may be a bit flaky, has anyone had problems with these? most of the time however I think the problems are due to the safety micro switches.
The microswitch on the saw blade cover is an issue, if I have a cover fully shut the saw won't start, I have to leave at about half an inch ajar. You can generally hear these switches clicking, is this clicking any indication that they are actually working electrically?
Is it the case that if any of the safety micro switches are not enabled for any part of the combo machine nothing will work? That is to say if a microswitch for the saw is indicating a problem then you can't start the jointer. If this is the case it does seem rather daft as it makes it really hard for the poor user to work out which micro switches are at fault. Is it safe to blow the microswitches? with air and is this likely to do any good?
I believe the CF 741 as the following micro switches:
saw blade cover open
planer jointer table down
planer jointer table up
dust hood in planar mode
dust hood in jointer? mode
Is there any way of easily diagnosing which is at fault?
thanks
Murray
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