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Hi Steve, Welcome to the group, congrats on the new machine.
I have the older version of the AF22, which while powerful is very
noisey. The newer AF22LN is rumored to be very quiet. In fact one of
our members called me on the phone so I could listen to how quiet the
machine is. The shop vac definetly won't be powerful enough for the
731, especially the planer and shaper. Oneida also makes a good
system and depending on how long a run you have the 1.5hp may work,
but I'd go with the 2hp just to be sure.
Not sure about the sound insulation. There are sound insulating
and absorbing panels that will help deaden the sound. An ideal
system would be to build a separate wall and ceiling frame so that
the sound wouldn't be transmitted through the existing walls.
Another good place for the sound question would be over at the
Badger Pond Forum, there is a link to it in our links section. or
www.wwforum.com you should get some good answers there also.
Take care,
John Renzetti,
Chadds Ford,PA

--- In felder-woodworking@..., "Steve Kusterer"
<spkerer@m...> wrote:

as of today, I'm engaged to a new CF-731 Pro. If you haven't seen
what this package includes, you really should. It should be no

more

than 3 months until I get to consumate the wedding. Of course, my
wife is rolling her head at the dowry.

I had been looking at a number of options, narrowing it down to the
Robland and Felder machines. Once deciding on the Felder, I was

then

comparing the BF6-31 and the BF7-41, taking into account all the
factor - including space. And along came the CF-731 Pro - a sweet
setup I expect to be happy with for a long time.

Now a question for you all. Up to this point my dust collection
system has consisted of a shop-vac, moving the hose from one tool

to

another. I would like to get an adequate DC setup for my soon to

be

finished shop, and I seek your more experienced opinions.

In addition, I would like to investigate some type of sound
insulation for my workshop. My workshop is in my basement (under

the

family room), and I would like to at least consider some type of
sound insulation. I realize this topic is not Felder specific - is
there some other place I could find a FAQ that might discuss this?

Thanks... Steve Kusterer, Leesburg, VA, USA

Congratulations on the engagement. If your wife says you or the
machine has to go sometime in the future, I'll trade you my Robland
X31 for the new Felder. In regards to dust collection, in todays mail
was a new issue of American Woodworker. It's cover story is Dust
Collection systems. So if you get it, check your mail, if you don't
Oneida's 1 1/2 hp cyclone system got top pick, and Penn State's 1 1/2
hp got best value. The others did not fair well because they did not
filter down to 5 or 1 micron dust. Most of the other mfg.'s don't
provide the 5 or 1 micron bags with their systems, were Penn State
does. If you need additional info, feel free to email me.

For those Felder owners using the Oneida 1.5 HP cyclone I have a few
"tricks" that make changing filters much easier. E-mail me directly if you
are interested so we don't bore the rest of the group.

Art Pentz
ahpnc@...

as of today, I'm engaged to a new CF-731 Pro. If you haven't seen
what this package includes, you really should. It should be no more
than 3 months until I get to consumate the wedding. Of course, my
wife is rolling her head at the dowry.

I had been looking at a number of options, narrowing it down to the
Robland and Felder machines. Once deciding on the Felder, I was then
comparing the BF6-31 and the BF7-41, taking into account all the
factor - including space. And along came the CF-731 Pro - a sweet
setup I expect to be happy with for a long time.

Now a question for you all. Up to this point my dust collection
system has consisted of a shop-vac, moving the hose from one tool to
another. I would like to get an adequate DC setup for my soon to be
finished shop, and I seek your more experienced opinions.

In addition, I would like to investigate some type of sound
insulation for my workshop. My workshop is in my basement (under the
family room), and I would like to at least consider some type of
sound insulation. I realize this topic is not Felder specific - is
there some other place I could find a FAQ that might discuss this?

Thanks... Steve Kusterer, Leesburg, VA, USA

Hi Steve! Welcome to the East Coast Felder Club. With respect to dust
collection - I have an Oneida 1.5HP cyclone unit that has no problem keeping
up with all my equipment including a 25" Woodmaster planer - provided you use
blast gates to select one piece of machinery at time. I have the mobile
tripod mount for the cyclone and, while I do not move it around often, the
supporting frame isolates the vibration from the walls of the house greatly
improving the sound transmission issue. I have been very pleased with the
dust collector and would recommend getting at least one additional filter so
that you can swap a dirty one for a clean one and keep on going in case you
clog up the cyclone by failing to empty it before the bin gets full DAMHIKT!
The Oneida filters to 1 Micron so sanding dust can reduce the suction
quickly. I have a Magnehelic vacuum gauge connected to the collection drum so
I know when the static pressure is low enough to dictate changing the filter.
When the filters are dirty, I wash the cartridge filters - 2 years and the
filters still work great. Oneida offers a sound attenuator for the discharge
side of the cyclone - I don't have one so I can't comment on it's efficacy.
Please note that flex hose is highly detrimental to the operation of any dust
collection system - use metal duct to reduce friction losses. Oneida is a
good source or, if you want the industrial quality stuff Air Handling Systems
is the place to go - please be seated before checking their prices!
Also be aware that you will REQUIRE many Felder accessories that you do
not presently know you need. This is a slippery slope you embark upon -
prepare to be spoiled forever with respect to woodworking equipment. I look
forward to meeting you some time in the future - are you going to IWF in
Atlanta in August?

Art Pentz
Summerfield, NC
ahpnc@...

The new inverters are limited to 4HP due to space requirements in the
electrical compartment. Therefore the industrial scoring unit, which has a
1HP motor, still will not be possible with the 1 phase drive. For that we
offer the belt driven scoring unit. Rick I hope this answered your question
about the scoring unit.

The variable speed control is controlled individually for each motor. That
means you can run the saw at 4000 rpm and switch over to the planer and run
the planer at 6000 rpm without changing the speed setting of the saw.

Retrofitting the inverter to an existing machine may be possible but it may
not be economical in all cases. I you do not have 4HP (S6/40%) 3 phase
motors in your machine yet they need to be exchanged. Also the whole
electrical system needs to be exchanged. I do not have any price yet for an
exchange kit but I would assume that It will be in the neighborhood of
$1,000.00 (excl. tax, shipping and installation). If you also need new
motors an exchange will be very uneconomical and you will be better of
getting an external inverter. John has already modified AC Tech inverters to
work with FELDER machines. If I remember correctly James Voos has one for
these machines.

Rick in regards to the information about the torque rating I'll have to get
back to you. I have forwarded your question to our R&D department. I will
keep you posted.

Wolfgang

Please take me off of your mail list for the next couple of months.

Wolfgang:

When a VFD, is installed on a machine, and an industrial duty scoring motor
is also selected, how does Felder handle the speed of the scoring unit?
Will there be two drives, one for the saw, the other for the scoring unit?

Has, or will, Felder offer application notes for the customers who choose to
go with the drive option? It has been my experience in applying drives to
industrial applications, both large and small hp motors, that the drive
itself can create some significant problems if not installed properly.
Specifically, if the drive is going to be mounted in the machine, little or
no effect will be noticed on the motor. However, should a customer choose
to retrofit an existing machine, mount the drive on the wall and use that
for his main 3 phase power source, the distance between the drive and the
motor become critical.

Like many users, I am going to opt for the drive option. I intend to mount
the drive on the wall close to the single phase power source, and then use
twist lock receptacles to move the power from one machine to the next. In
my application I will install a line reactor between the motor and the
drive. Line reactors remove the harmonics created by the drive. Harmonics
if not removed, will shorten the life of the motor, cause early bearing
failure, or both.

A couple of years ago one of my engineers wrote a technical paper on the
application of drives on small hp motors. I will edit this article and post
it to this site with the specific points to consider.

With this memo you posted several speeds that could be obtained with the
application of a drive. Has Felder ran any calculations on what will happen
to the torque? As you know, as you increase speed torque follows up to base
speed, if you accelerate the motor beyond base speed, 60hz, torque falls off
significantly. Are the drives being supplied by Felder, rated for constant
horsepower, or constant torque?

Rick Strom
Virginia Operation

Two words:
I'm drooling!
;-)

Are those speeds correct on the shaper? It looks like you have the ranges
mixed up (slow/med/high).

Can this system be just as economically retrofitted to my BF6-31 by any
chance? How is the speed adjusted on the combi? One central dial, separate
dials for each motor, or something else?

..Geoff

FELDER offers now also another option for woodworkers with single phase
supply. All 700 Series machines (except ECO models) will be equipped with an
Inverter. The inverter converts 1 phase power into 3 phase power and the
machine runs regular 4 HP 3 phase motors. This new option is also available
at an incredible low cost of $300.00. For another $165.00 per motor ($495.00
for a full combination machine) we can also equip these machines with a
variable speed control. This will provide a speed range of
2,500 - 6,000 rpm for the jointer/planer
3,000 - 6,000 rpm for the saw
1,400 - 4,700 rpm for the shaper at medium speed
2,500 - 8,300 rpm for the shaper at high speed
3,000 - 10,000 rpm for the shaper at slow speed
6,000 - 20,000 rpm for the high speed router spindle.

Wolfgang

I don't know if this is old news, but I talked to Wolfgang at Felder
USA today and he told me that there was a fire at the Felder
factory's paint shop a few weeks back which caused the factory to be
temporarily shut down. The fire occurred at night and nobody was
hurt. This has put a delay in the production schedule for those of us
waiting on new machines. He said they are working 3 shifts to keep
the delays to a minimum.

Joe

Hi Bob:

In reading the posts about the phase converter, I would offer an
alternative. With today's technology, have you explored using a VFD,
Variable Frequency Drive? Like you, I am in the "process" of buying a new
machine, but plan on using a VFD instead of the phase converter. As long as
you do not exceed the kw rating of a drive, I am of the opinion you can get
a better system, performance, and speed out of a drive.

With prices coming down, space required, and the flexibility of a drive,
along with preset speed, accell, decel parameters, etc, AND FOR LESS MONEY,
I would seriously look at the VFD.

Rick Strom
Virginia Operation

Scott, I am using Netscape 4.7, there must be a setting somewhere
I'm
missing. Rich


--- In felder-woodworking@..., "Scott Slater" <scott@s...>
wrote:

Rich,

I checked it in both Netscape 4.7 and IE 5 and 5.5, it comes out

fine with

all of those browsers. What browser are you using? Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard McComas [mailto:rmccomas@...]
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 7:37 PM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hard to Read Messages.


Geoff, I read them here on the web site. When the forum first
started I would read them in my e-mail program and there was no
problem there. Rich


--- In felder-woodworking@..., "Geoff Shepherd" <geoff@s...>
wrote:

Rich,

Are you reading messages on the eGroups web site or in your own

e-mail

program. If the latter, what is its name and version. It might be

as
simple

as turning word-wrap on in your e-mail program's read/view

settings,
but the

procedure for this will vary from program to program. With almost

one

hundred members here, one of us will likely have the solution for

you.

You can also read message on the web site:
www.egroups.com/group/felder-woodworking

..Geoff

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard McComas <rmccomas@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 2:55 PM
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Hard to Read Messages.

When I read the messages here on the forum the print goes beyond

the

edge of the screen making it necessary to scroll the page back

and

forth . Also if I print out a massage it does not print what's
doesn't appear on the screen. Is there a fix for this. Rich

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Hi John. I would have e-mailed you on this but I figured you were
busy changing diapers by now. According to the seller is was used
for approx. 6 months. I guess I should call Kay Ind. and try to find
out about the extra characters in the model # the seller gave me.

Thanks,

Bob Magnuson

--- In felder-woodworking@..., "John Renzetti"
<j.renzetti@w...> wrote:

Hi Bob, The MA-1 is the one I have in my shop. It will handle up

to

the 4kw motors(approx5.5hp)and 15hp total. Kay actually derates

their

converters. One of our owners has the 5kw(7.5hp)AD7-51 hooked up to
the MA1. I've had the saw, powerfeed and the jointer/planer on at

the

same time with the MA1. Kay recommends a dedicated 40amp circuit

and

a quick disconnect with 30a time delay fuses.
The $500 price tag sounds pretty good considering they are

around

$1000-1100 new. How old is the one for sale.
Take care,
John Renzetti
Chadds Ford, PA
(still no new arrival-he's almost a week late)
--- In felder-woodworking@..., "Bob Magnuson"
<bob.p.magnuson@h...> wrote:

Well, this is my first post to this board. I am not yet the

proud

owner of a Felder. Probably a year or two down the road before

that

happens.

But in preparation for the big day I have been looking for a Kay

Ind.

Phasemaster phase converter. I have found a used one for

$500.00.

It is a model # MA1-21ST-200. Unfortunatly it is in Detroit and

I

am

in Minneapolis and of course cannot take a look at it. Does the
model number make sense regarding what Felder recommends?

Thanks in advance for any information that you can provide.

Bob Magnuson

Hi Bob, The MA-1 is the one I have in my shop. It will handle up to
the 4kw motors(approx5.5hp)and 15hp total. Kay actually derates their
converters. One of our owners has the 5kw(7.5hp)AD7-51 hooked up to
the MA1. I've had the saw, powerfeed and the jointer/planer on at the
same time with the MA1. Kay recommends a dedicated 40amp circuit and
a quick disconnect with 30a time delay fuses.
The $500 price tag sounds pretty good considering they are around
$1000-1100 new. How old is the one for sale.
Take care,
John Renzetti
Chadds Ford, PA
(still no new arrival-he's almost a week late)
--- In felder-woodworking@..., "Bob Magnuson"
<bob.p.magnuson@h...> wrote:

Well, this is my first post to this board. I am not yet the proud
owner of a Felder. Probably a year or two down the road before

that

happens.

But in preparation for the big day I have been looking for a Kay

Ind.

Phasemaster phase converter. I have found a used one for $500.00.
It is a model # MA1-21ST-200. Unfortunatly it is in Detroit and I

am

in Minneapolis and of course cannot take a look at it. Does the
model number make sense regarding what Felder recommends?

Thanks in advance for any information that you can provide.

Bob Magnuson

According to the Phasemaster owner's manual I have, the MA1 indicates a 5HP
model, yet I am not sure what the rest of the number means.

I have found Kay Industries to be very helpful in terms of technical help.
Their corporate office is in South Bend, IN, and the phone number I have for
that office is 1-800-348-5257.

Good Luck.
Charlie Norton

Well, this is my first post to this board. I am not yet the proud
owner of a Felder. Probably a year or two down the road before that
happens.

But in preparation for the big day I have been looking for a Kay Ind.
Phasemaster phase converter. I have found a used one for $500.00.
It is a model # MA1-21ST-200. Unfortunatly it is in Detroit and I am
in Minneapolis and of course cannot take a look at it. Does the
model number make sense regarding what Felder recommends?

Thanks in advance for any information that you can provide.

Bob Magnuson

Rich,

I checked it in both Netscape 4.7 and IE 5 and 5.5, it comes out fine with
all of those browsers. What browser are you using? Scott

Geoff, I read them here on the web site. When the forum first
started I would read them in my e-mail program and there was no
problem there. Rich


--- In felder-woodworking@..., "Geoff Shepherd" <geoff@s...>
wrote:

Rich,

Are you reading messages on the eGroups web site or in your own

e-mail

program. If the latter, what is its name and version. It might be

as
simple

as turning word-wrap on in your e-mail program's read/view

settings,
but the

procedure for this will vary from program to program. With almost

one

hundred members here, one of us will likely have the solution for

you.

You can also read message on the web site:
www.egroups.com/group/felder-woodworking

..Geoff

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard McComas <rmccomas@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 2:55 PM
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Hard to Read Messages.

When I read the messages here on the forum the print goes beyond

the

edge of the screen making it necessary to scroll the page back and
forth . Also if I print out a massage it does not print what's
doesn't appear on the screen. Is there a fix for this. Rich

If I am preparing to run a bunch of rough sawn lumber through the jointer, I
will likely use the power feeder for speed, consistency, and safety. Jointing
is the first operation I apply to rough sawn lumber to get one good and flat
surface which can then run through the planer to create a parallel opposing
side and thicknessed to dimension in the planer as well. For surface planing
that could be done either with the jointer or planer I often use the jointer
because I feel that I have more control with the depth of cut on the jointer
than I do with the planer. This is mainly due to the planer's rollers
requiring a certain about of cut depth before they will grab the material.

The reality is that I try to use the power feeder with the jointer anytime I
am running a substantial amount of material or even when I am running fewer
pieces that require multiple passes to get a good flat suface. However, the
power feeder can compromise a jointing operation if the pressure applied by
the feeder rollers force a twist or bow out of the material while running past
the cutterhead thereby defeating your purpose. This phenomenon doesen't exist
when surface planing with the jointer.


"Richard McComas" <rmccomas@...> wrote:
Would someone please educate me. Why would you use a stock feeder on
a jointer? I seem to me that the feeder would push the stock
against
the table just like the feed rollers do when running stock through a
planer and the stock would be surfaced but not remove any bows or
twist. If that is the case then why not just run it through the
planer?


--- In felder-woodworking@..., "John Renzetti"
<j.renzetti@w...> wrote:

A few days ago, Leo Lopez had a snipe problem with his

jointer
table

when he used the powerfeed on it. Leo and I exchanged a couple of

messages

on this and we think the problem was caused by the feeder pushing

the

leading edge of the table down.
This week I had a slight taper problem. What I found when I put

the

straight edge on the table was that the outfeed table was a few

thousands

lower in the front. The solution I found was in not trying to

readjust the

table but to check the torque applied on the locking cam. Like

anything with

a lot of use the cam can wear and applying too much locking torque

will

cause the leading edge of the table to deflect downward. It's not

much, just

a few thousands, but enough to affect the quality of the cut. I

cleaned off

the cam, lower the table again and just tightened slightly. Result

was the

table was level to within .0015" over the length of the cutterhead.

Once the

table was level I just reset the height for optimum cutting. Cuts

like it

did when John H first set it up two years ago. A couple of people

had some

trouble with the table adjustment and I was wondering if it was

because of

different tightening torque's being applied.
Apparently the locking design has been changed on the new series
machines. It is like the Hammer series now, so this phenomenon

should only

appear on the 7 series jointer/planer combinations.
If any one has any other opinions on this, just post them here.
Take care,
John Renzetti
Chadds Ford, PA
Still waiting for child #3 to arrive. He's 3 days past the due date.

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