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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
Hi Jim:
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I know you asked for ¡°recent¡± owner experience. My Dual 51 was bought new almost 20 years ago now. It has some amazing features, and some not so good features. Overall I have been happy with the machine.
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In brief, the key aspects of the machine which are NOT amazing have to do with the table design issues as outlined by David Best. The jointer/surfacing tables do not hold calibration and have to be recalibrated
at least once a year if not more often.
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If you proceed to buy one, I strongly recommend you purchase the Digidrive option. It seems expensive but very few people actually have it, and do not know what it really is. In brief, it is an electronic
interface that allows the following:
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- Short-cut programming that moves the thicknesser table to a parked position for changing machine modes. I do not have to stand by and turn a knob or
hold a button or wind a wheel. I press one of the programmable function buttons and let the machine do its thing (usually while I fuss with changing over the dust extraction flex).
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- I can enter an exact number and have the thicknesser table move to that position. For example, if I want 21.0mm I can enter that, and the table will
move to that number by itself. Again, no standing around waiting for it to finish moving (usually I¡¯m picking up my board for machining, and getting ready to feed it).
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- In addition to the ¡®absolute¡¯ mode mentioned above, when batch machining rough stock to a final thickness I have multiple programmable function buttons
that allow for ¡®incremental¡¯ positioning of the thicknesser table. For example, if I have a board that is 25mm thick and I want it to be 19mm thick, I can first enter say 23mm in absolute mode and then hit start. The table moves to 23mm ready to feed the stock
through, removing 2mm of material in so doing.
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With an old-school thicknesser, after receiving the board (now 23mm thick) I used to walk back to the in-feed side, rotate the up/down wheel a bit for the next pass and proceed.
With Powerdrive, of course this process is a bit easier because the knob can be turned briefly and the user can see how much the table moves. But as we all know, it takes a bit of practice to hit the intended 23mm, and doing this while holding stock is not
always easy. In particular, if the stock is long and heavy, I would not like this process. Once or twice maybe, but not fifty times for a big machining session.
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The key benefit of Digidrive is the programmable presets. By selecting incremental mode, I can press one of the function keys: F1 (1mm), F2 (2mm) or F3 (3mm), or whatever you want
¨C that¡¯s just what I¡¯ve got them programmed to ¨C and the table moves up by one of those amounts
while I am moving the stock into position for the next pass. So, I feed the stock (e.g. now 23mm), retrieve it from the out-feed side, hit start (F2 is already selected previously), the table automatically moves to 21mm, feed stock, hit start, the table
automatically moves to 19mm, feed stock.
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?????????????? The time savings here is substantial.
??????????????? The convenience is huge.
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I know of no other machine on the market with this kind of system. Martin certainly does not have it. I don¡¯t know about
SCM but would love to know.
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Cheers.
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Warm regards,
Lucky
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Dr David Luckensmeyer
Designer & Maker
@luckensmeyer
M: 0413 013 115
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I had an AD-941 and really liked it.? I was able to sell it for what I paid for it and wanted a 20" machine.
I decided to get the SCM L'invincible FS 7 in January of 2022 and it was delivered in February of 2023.? It is a joy to use.
PM me with any questions.
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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
Hi Jim,
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I bought a new Dual 51 about 2 years ago, sold it after about 15 months and went to separate machines.
I believe the dual 51 is a good solid machine. Mine had a 10hp motor, Aigner fence, spiral head and digi drive. But like any combo it has its drawbacks, mainly for me was the switch over, jointer adjustments and the short beds, especially if you work with long material.
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I¡¯d recommend the digi drive, you can enter a measurement hit enter and walk away. It also helps when you have to lower the planer bed to 10¡± to flip the dust collection hood. The carbide inserts last forever, I¡¯ve never planned anything fancy though! Also I¡¯d recommend the segmented infeed roller, mine didn¡¯t have it and was annoying feeding different thickness material.
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Hope this helps,?
Declan
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Bryce...thanks for sharing...absolutely amazing millwork...as others have said, don't see that level of craft and creativity any more!
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Kamal Patel
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Re: Groover / Dado advice
Not all Felder saws will accommodate a dado set. When I bought a K700S the ability to take a dado was an option. It is standard in my Kappa 450X.?
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Wade,
Hammer AL body 140mm dia, for 14-26mm thick material. Here is the link.
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On Dec 29, 2024, at 4:00?PM, Wade Dees via groups.io <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
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Which cutter do you have? ?Specs?
Thx,
Wade
On Dec 29, 2024, at 9:57?AM, Imran Malik <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Yes Wade.
On Dec 29, 2024, at 11:41?AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
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Imran,
This lock miter cutter was this done on the shaper?
Thx,
Wade
On Dec 29, 2024, at 8:31?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Very nice work Bryce and thanks for sharing. I know the tape technique but I can¡¯t bring myself to doing it because I can¡¯t see if the joint is completely closed. So I resorted to lock miter on this 19 ft long beam wrap. It was a lot of fun with staggered scarf joints on all 3 sides and had to be glued on-site due to the length.
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Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations
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Just thought i would post a link here to my latest video. Not a huge amount of work on the Felder CF 741, but hopefully enough to keep you interested. :)
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Which cutter do you have? ?Specs?
Thx,
Wade
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On Dec 29, 2024, at 9:57?AM, Imran Malik <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Yes Wade.
On Dec 29, 2024, at 11:41?AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Imran,
This lock miter cutter was this done on the shaper?
Thx,
Wade On Dec 29, 2024, at 8:31?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Very nice work Bryce and thanks for sharing. I know the tape technique but I can¡¯t bring myself to doing it because I can¡¯t see if the joint is completely closed. So I resorted to lock miter on this 19 ft long beam wrap. It was a lot of fun with staggered scarf joints on all 3 sides and had to be glued on-site due to the length. ? Imran Malik IAM Wood Creations ? ? Just thought i would post a link here to my latest video. Not a huge amount of work on the Felder CF 741, but hopefully enough to keep you interested. :) <IMG_7045.JPG> <IMG_7045.JPG> <IMG_7072.JPG>
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Which cutter do you have Imran?
Thx,
Wade
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On Dec 29, 2024, at 9:57?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Yes Wade.
On Dec 29, 2024, at 11:41?AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Imran,
This lock miter cutter was this done on the shaper?
Thx,
Wade On Dec 29, 2024, at 8:31?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Very nice work Bryce and thanks for sharing. I know the tape technique but I can¡¯t bring myself to doing it because I can¡¯t see if the joint is completely closed. So I resorted to lock miter on this 19 ft long beam wrap. It was a lot of fun with staggered scarf joints on all 3 sides and had to be glued on-site due to the length. ? Imran Malik IAM Wood Creations ? ? Just thought i would post a link here to my latest video. Not a huge amount of work on the Felder CF 741, but hopefully enough to keep you interested. :) <IMG_7045.JPG> <IMG_7045.JPG> <IMG_7072.JPG>
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Re: Groover / Dado advice
After removing the saw blade, remove the flange (part number 9 on page 54 of my 2017 manual). The dado set will then sit against the arbor.
Also, do not attempt to use the spacer that is part of the Hammer dado set. When I called the tech, many years ago, he said they had never been asked about this.
Steve, Nashville, TN
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Re: Groover / Dado advice
A bit off topic, I have an older C3-31 and do not see a way to install a dado set of any kind as the arbor seems too short. I'm considering getting a 1/4" kerf blade and going the multiple cut route but wanted to make sure I'm understanding the possibilities.
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Thanks
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The owner's at?5132036539 if you want to text him about the Kundig Dave Davies
On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 5:27?PM Steve Rowe via <steverowe734= [email protected]> wrote: I have had the Kundig Uniq since 2010 and at $7500 it is a bargain.? New prices in 2010 were around $15K.? I had a power feeder functioning as an auxiliary dust collector after upgrading to a CoMatic DC40 so recently added a power feeder bracket as shown in the photo.? There are termination points and spare cable glands already existing in the electrical cabinet so powering the feeder was easy.? Kundig had previously discontinued the bracket but will make it to order and it was less than I could have had one made.? If you call Kundig, they may not know about it but this is the information: ?Kundig Part: 20-09550-08 - Support for feed unit - Console
Steve
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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On Dec 29, 2024, at 11:41?AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote: ? Imran,
This lock miter cutter was this done on the shaper?
Thx,
Wade On Dec 29, 2024, at 8:31?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Very nice work Bryce and thanks for sharing. I know the tape technique but I can¡¯t bring myself to doing it because I can¡¯t see if the joint is completely closed. So I resorted to lock miter on this 19 ft long beam wrap. It was a lot of fun with staggered scarf joints on all 3 sides and had to be glued on-site due to the length. ? Imran Malik IAM Wood Creations ? ? Just thought i would post a link here to my latest video. Not a huge amount of work on the Felder CF 741, but hopefully enough to keep you interested. :) <IMG_7045.JPG> <IMG_7045.JPG> <IMG_7072.JPG>
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Imran,
This lock miter cutter was this done on the shaper?
Thx,
Wade
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On Dec 29, 2024, at 8:31?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Very nice work Bryce and thanks for sharing. I know the tape technique but I can¡¯t bring myself to doing it because I can¡¯t see if the joint is completely closed. So I resorted to lock miter on this 19 ft long beam wrap. It was a lot of fun with staggered scarf joints on all 3 sides and had to be glued on-site due to the length. ? Imran Malik IAM Wood Creations ? ? Just thought i would post a link here to my latest video. Not a huge amount of work on the Felder CF 741, but hopefully enough to keep you interested. :) <IMG_7045.JPG> <IMG_7045.JPG> <IMG_7072.JPG>
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Very nice work Bryce and thanks for sharing. I know the tape technique but I can¡¯t bring myself to doing it because I can¡¯t see if the joint is completely closed. So I resorted to lock miter on this 19 ft long beam wrap. It was a lot of fun with staggered scarf joints on all 3 sides and had to be glued on-site due to the length. ? Imran Malik IAM Wood Creations ?
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Subject: [FOG] New video.? Just thought i would post a link here to my latest video. Not a huge amount of work on the Felder CF 741, but hopefully enough to keep you interested. :)
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Douglas Fir aka "Oregon Pine" in Sweden.? What do they call it down there?? Seems radiata pine from NZ would be more available but maybe not match existing trim.
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I will never get enough of real shop work videos. Smart work and lovely results. Thanks for sharing.?
Really nice piece Bryce, thanks for showing that one. I love VG Fir trim...
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Bon
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
Jim,
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I had an AD-941 and really liked it.? I was able to sell it for what I paid for it and wanted a 20" machine.
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I decided to get the SCM L'invincible FS 7 in January of 2022 and it was delivered in February of 2023.? It is a joy to use.
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PM me with any questions.
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PK
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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
Thank you Mike. Your information is very much appreciated!
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Re: Groover / Dado advice
Kamal,
8¡± dado or saw blade will fit in the shaper hood. I don¡¯t know if running a saw blade is worse than an equivalent shaper cutter but it seems that way to me. Lot more cutting teeth than 2 or 4 on a cutterhead but both will ruin one¡¯s day for sure, to say the least.
Safest would be a false fence. In my case, I used the Felder safety bars so I have a continuous ¡°fence¡± for the material. I did make nearly 3¡± deep slots as shown in this picture. I tried the narrower slot (lower one in the picture) on K975 saw with an 350mm Tenryu tipping blade annd an home made jig. I did not get consistent results and it was much harder. Running this cut on the shaper was no different than any other shaper operation.
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On Dec 28, 2024, at 11:07?AM, KRPatel via groups.io <kamalsonal@...> wrote: ? Thanks Imran and Jacques...did not know that those dados will work on a shaper...do I treat it as a "normal" shaper when placing it in the shaper or other precautions / pointers?
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Kamal Patel
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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
Jim: I have the AD951, probably 5 years now. During this time, I¡¯ve pushed it hard, with rough sawn hardwoods; often running Jatoba and purple heart. The machine serves me well. My sense is that it is a better planer than jointer, though this is just an impression I have.
The power drive is precise. I¡¯ve added extensions to the planer bed. Dust collection is good, though I dislike having to changeover the dust hood position when changing over the function. Also, the fence is Cumbersome, with it¡¯s side attachment point, and setting a miter is functional, but inelegant and?without a fine adjustment. As with other Felder equipment I own, I feel that most?elements are professional grade and well thought out, while others seem oddly?lacking.
If I was in the market again, I would look at what?Martin has to offer (if only to rule it out for this or that reason) ?-?my understanding is that Griggio?makes a machine?for them),?then the SCM machines. I have no knowledge of either of these. The thought of going separates is ever-present, but never wins against space and cost.
Mike D.
On Saturday, December 28, 2024, 14:46, Jim Synyard via groups.io <Jimsynyard@...> wrote: I am looking at buying the Dual 51 JP combo new from FELDER. My question is this, has anyone bought one of these recently and if so do you have any objections or recommendations? Any unbiased information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.?
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Mike D.
Annapolis, MD
AD951; K700S; N4400
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David Luckensmeyer
Declan Gallagher
imran
Jonathan Smith
PK
Jim Synyard