I agree with Brett. ?The EGL should be solid in all positions.
You mention calibrating. ?Using a dial indicator against the fence in the 90 degree position is a good way to calibrate. ?Use a magnetic mount on the saw table near the saw blade then move the slider back and forth while indicating to the EGL fence. ?The indicator should be constant along the length of the fence. ?The EGL will be accurate at all settings after calibrating but you still have to set the 90 degree position for the other 90 degree position. ??
On Dec 8, 2024, at 12:51?PM, Brett Wissel via groups.io <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
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John,?
When the egl is adjusted to fit your slider, there should be a strip on low-friction material on each leg of the 90-degrees barely contacting table. I found I had to fiddle with the bracket set bolts numerous times to get it right. When it is clamped tight, it should be solid.
On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 2:42?PM John Deming via <jldjr26=[email protected]> wrote:
I installed my new EGL today.? Have not calibrated it yet with test cuts , I just setup / mounted it to get familiar with it.? One issue i see is when it’s at 90 degrees it is very solid without any play.? When i set it at 45 degrees there is play from side to side. Is this normal since there is less support on the slider?
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Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110
When the egl is adjusted to fit your slider, there should be a strip on low-friction material on each leg of the 90-degrees barely contacting table. I found I had to fiddle with the bracket set bolts numerous times to get it right. When it is clamped tight, it should be solid.
On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 2:42?PM John Deming via <jldjr26=[email protected]> wrote:
I installed my new EGL today.? Have not calibrated it yet with test cuts , I just setup / mounted it to get familiar with it.? One issue i see is when it’s at 90 degrees it is very solid without any play.? When i set it at 45 degrees there is play from side to side. Is this normal since there is less support on the slider?
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Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110
I installed my new EGL today. ?Have not calibrated it yet with test cuts , I just setup / mounted it to get familiar with it. ?One issue i see is when it’s at 90 degrees it is very solid without any play. ?When i set it at 45 degrees there is play from side to side. Is this normal since there is less support on the slider?
I just found a video from Manor Wood youtube channel, in which it gives an in-depth introduction of this Hammer-Felder combi cutter head. Indeed, a very nice cutter head.
On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 7:17?AM Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi James, in use they are the same, but the hammer/Felder? specific one is drilled out on the top and supplied with a washer hey manufacture to work seamlessly with Felder top cap securing system.
Yeah in that video he was clearing a pretty big mortise, 60 minutes of pulling down on that size mortise vs pushing into it is probably equally annoying just in different areas. ?
My wife wants to get a rowing machine. Maybe she can just cut mortises for me instead.?
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 10:13?PM Patrick Kane via <pwk5017=[email protected]> wrote:
Nice, Andy, I’ve seen a few of his videos. He has a decent bit of kit. His projects are eclectic.?
That square mortise demo looked like a fair amount of work. An upper body workout. Sort of what I want to avoid, and the reason I bought the Greenlee. I had a floor standing Powermatic mortiser a few years ago and operating it was a little arduous. I would not want to operate that type of machine for 30-60 mins straight. Maybe the Felder isn’t as much work as it looked? Atleast it is both levers that are lower down so it engages more larger muscle groups than the vertical arm lever of most vertical mortisers.?
Patrick
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 7:37?PM Andy via <andy.raynor08=[email protected]> wrote:
In this video the user demonstrates many aspects of this unit. Including square (rectangular) mortises.?
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 7:06?PM Patrick Kane via <pwk5017=[email protected]> wrote:
Hijacking this thread slightly, but I’m also curious in the horizontal mortiser discussion. I picked up a larger automatic hollow chisel mortiser a couple weeks ago, and haven’t used it yet, but I’m curious if I made the right choice. One concern I have is the automatic mortisers almost have to use vintage tooling—greenlee, Forrest city, etc—-that will eventually become hard/impossible to source. Second, it’s my understanding the greenlee 227 and wysong miles 284 eat up tooling less than 1/2”. Just too aggressive for smaller tooling. Lastly, I’m in a basement and space is a little tight. The greenlee takes up a big footprint compared to a euro horizontal mortiser.?
Is there a video or instructional set of photos for the Felder unit making square holes? I see the option on the website, but I am not following how that accessory actually works.?
Is the hollow chisel mortiser antiquated and obsolete? Will a decent slot mortiser like a griggio etc. outperform the greenlee 227? Is setup easy and fast on a horizontal mortiser??
Patrick?
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 9:54?AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Tom,
I can confirm that you can add?chisel mortising and dowel boring because I did that on my 2nd hand FD250. It is 2011, 2.2KW, 3Ph single speed machine so not sure if things have changed over the years.
Surprisingly, I received a set of pictures from the Felder technician (not official Felder documentation) that made the install easy. It had been a few yrs now but don’t recall any issues.
Imran Malik
On Dec 5, 2024, at 9:15?AM, Tom Gensmer via <tom=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi Andy,?
?
Yes, the mechanical DRO I mentioned is the counter for the system hand wheel. Once I got it calibrated it's been very precise.?
?
For single phase, yes there is a variable speed option. I try to go three phase whenever possible, and am skeptical about variable speed anything, but yes there is definitely an option.?
?
As David Best points out, the MultiRouter is a great machine for furniture work, but you're limited to smaller pieces (the motor is fixed, table moves), and you're limited to 1/2" and smaller shank tooling, whereas the FD-250 (and other horizontal mortisers) will accept up to 20mm diameter shanks.?
?
As Joe points out, the Rangate dowel bits are awesome. Carbide-tipped and oversized by 0.1mm, they are a perfect complement to their Rot-Resist dowels. Now that I've calibrated the 16mm dowel boring template to the cast iron table, it's a pretty simple task to use the cast iron block and the dowel bar to bore properly indexed dowel holes, so assembly is a breeze.?
?
It's important to note that the "chisel mortising" and "dowel boring" options are ostensibly "Factory-only" options. I've been told that you can order the parts after the fact, but I wouldn't want to spend the time trying to retrofit them. My thought process was that I was better off just ordering a fully tricked-out machine, that way I wouldn't find myself wanting for features at a later time, and this way the machine would have broader appeal if/when I were to eventually sell it.?
--
Tom Gensmer Heritage Home Renewals, LLC Minneapolis, MN
Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter
Hi James, in use they are the same, but the hammer/Felder? specific one is drilled out on the top and supplied with a washer hey manufacture to work seamlessly with Felder top cap securing system.
Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter
On Dec 7, 2024, at 9:13?PM, Patrick Kane via groups.io <pwk5017@...> wrote:
?
Nice, Andy, I’ve seen a few of his videos. He has a decent bit of kit. His projects are eclectic.?
That square mortise demo looked like a fair amount of work. An upper body workout. Sort of what I want to avoid, and the reason I bought the Greenlee. I had a floor standing Powermatic mortiser a few years ago and operating it was a little arduous. I would not want to operate that type of machine for 30-60 mins straight. Maybe the Felder isn’t as much work as it looked? Atleast it is both levers that are lower down so it engages more larger muscle groups than the vertical arm lever of most vertical mortisers.?
Patrick
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 7:37?PM Andy via <andy.raynor08=[email protected]> wrote:
In this video the user demonstrates many aspects of this unit. Including square (rectangular) mortises.?
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 7:06?PM Patrick Kane via <pwk5017=[email protected]> wrote:
Hijacking this thread slightly, but I’m also curious in the horizontal mortiser discussion. I picked up a larger automatic hollow chisel mortiser a couple weeks ago, and haven’t used it yet, but I’m curious if I made the right choice. One concern I have is the automatic mortisers almost have to use vintage tooling—greenlee, Forrest city, etc—-that will eventually become hard/impossible to source. Second, it’s my understanding the greenlee 227 and wysong miles 284 eat up tooling less than 1/2”. Just too aggressive for smaller tooling. Lastly, I’m in a basement and space is a little tight. The greenlee takes up a big footprint compared to a euro horizontal mortiser.?
Is there a video or instructional set of photos for the Felder unit making square holes? I see the option on the website, but I am not following how that accessory actually works.?
Is the hollow chisel mortiser antiquated and obsolete? Will a decent slot mortiser like a griggio etc. outperform the greenlee 227? Is setup easy and fast on a horizontal mortiser??
Patrick?
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 9:54?AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Tom,
I can confirm that you can add?chisel mortising and dowel boring because I did that on my 2nd hand FD250. It is 2011, 2.2KW, 3Ph single speed machine so not sure if things have changed over the years.
Surprisingly, I received a set of pictures from the Felder technician (not official Felder documentation) that made the install easy. It had been a few yrs now but don’t recall any issues.
Imran Malik
On Dec 5, 2024, at 9:15?AM, Tom Gensmer via <tom=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi Andy,?
?
Yes, the mechanical DRO I mentioned is the counter for the system hand wheel. Once I got it calibrated it's been very precise.?
?
For single phase, yes there is a variable speed option. I try to go three phase whenever possible, and am skeptical about variable speed anything, but yes there is definitely an option.?
?
As David Best points out, the MultiRouter is a great machine for furniture work, but you're limited to smaller pieces (the motor is fixed, table moves), and you're limited to 1/2" and smaller shank tooling, whereas the FD-250 (and other horizontal mortisers) will accept up to 20mm diameter shanks.?
?
As Joe points out, the Rangate dowel bits are awesome. Carbide-tipped and oversized by 0.1mm, they are a perfect complement to their Rot-Resist dowels. Now that I've calibrated the 16mm dowel boring template to the cast iron table, it's a pretty simple task to use the cast iron block and the dowel bar to bore properly indexed dowel holes, so assembly is a breeze.?
?
It's important to note that the "chisel mortising" and "dowel boring" options are ostensibly "Factory-only" options. I've been told that you can order the parts after the fact, but I wouldn't want to spend the time trying to retrofit them. My thought process was that I was better off just ordering a fully tricked-out machine, that way I wouldn't find myself wanting for features at a later time, and this way the machine would have broader appeal if/when I were to eventually sell it.?
--
Tom Gensmer Heritage Home Renewals, LLC Minneapolis, MN
Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter
Nice, Andy, I’ve seen a few of his videos. He has a decent bit of kit. His projects are eclectic.?
That square mortise demo looked like a fair amount of work. An upper body workout. Sort of what I want to avoid, and the reason I bought the Greenlee. I had a floor standing Powermatic mortiser a few years ago and operating it was a little arduous. I would not want to operate that type of machine for 30-60 mins straight. Maybe the Felder isn’t as much work as it looked? Atleast it is both levers that are lower down so it engages more larger muscle groups than the vertical arm lever of most vertical mortisers.?
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 7:37?PM Andy via <andy.raynor08=[email protected]> wrote:
In this video the user demonstrates many aspects of this unit. Including square (rectangular) mortises.?
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 7:06?PM Patrick Kane via <pwk5017=[email protected]> wrote:
Hijacking this thread slightly, but I’m also curious in the horizontal mortiser discussion. I picked up a larger automatic hollow chisel mortiser a couple weeks ago, and haven’t used it yet, but I’m curious if I made the right choice. One concern I have is the automatic mortisers almost have to use vintage tooling—greenlee, Forrest city, etc—-that will eventually become hard/impossible to source. Second, it’s my understanding the greenlee 227 and wysong miles 284 eat up tooling less than 1/2”. Just too aggressive for smaller tooling. Lastly, I’m in a basement and space is a little tight. The greenlee takes up a big footprint compared to a euro horizontal mortiser.?
Is there a video or instructional set of photos for the Felder unit making square holes? I see the option on the website, but I am not following how that accessory actually works.?
Is the hollow chisel mortiser antiquated and obsolete? Will a decent slot mortiser like a griggio etc. outperform the greenlee 227? Is setup easy and fast on a horizontal mortiser??
Patrick?
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 9:54?AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Tom,
I can confirm that you can add?chisel mortising and dowel boring because I did that on my 2nd hand FD250. It is 2011, 2.2KW, 3Ph single speed machine so not sure if things have changed over the years.
Surprisingly, I received a set of pictures from the Felder technician (not official Felder documentation) that made the install easy. It had been a few yrs now but don’t recall any issues.
Imran Malik
On Dec 5, 2024, at 9:15?AM, Tom Gensmer via <tom=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi Andy,?
?
Yes, the mechanical DRO I mentioned is the counter for the system hand wheel. Once I got it calibrated it's been very precise.?
?
For single phase, yes there is a variable speed option. I try to go three phase whenever possible, and am skeptical about variable speed anything, but yes there is definitely an option.?
?
As David Best points out, the MultiRouter is a great machine for furniture work, but you're limited to smaller pieces (the motor is fixed, table moves), and you're limited to 1/2" and smaller shank tooling, whereas the FD-250 (and other horizontal mortisers) will accept up to 20mm diameter shanks.?
?
As Joe points out, the Rangate dowel bits are awesome. Carbide-tipped and oversized by 0.1mm, they are a perfect complement to their Rot-Resist dowels. Now that I've calibrated the 16mm dowel boring template to the cast iron table, it's a pretty simple task to use the cast iron block and the dowel bar to bore properly indexed dowel holes, so assembly is a breeze.?
?
It's important to note that the "chisel mortising" and "dowel boring" options are ostensibly "Factory-only" options. I've been told that you can order the parts after the fact, but I wouldn't want to spend the time trying to retrofit them. My thought process was that I was better off just ordering a fully tricked-out machine, that way I wouldn't find myself wanting for features at a later time, and this way the machine would have broader appeal if/when I were to eventually sell it.?
--
Tom Gensmer Heritage Home Renewals, LLC Minneapolis, MN
Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter
Imran, my last delivery of 4 sets of knives and limiters was 2 days to arrive from date of shipping and $80usd.? They don't ship regular mail anymore, only courier as there were too many problems.
Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter
I think they do not say you can use 50 or 55 mm knives on 40 cutter heads because of the liability issue, because the knives are not fully backed by the cutter head.
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:35?PM James Zhu via <james.zhu2=[email protected]> wrote:
Imran,
Felder does not make the cutter head. They just rebranded the cutter head from other German or Swiss companies.
I am 100% sure the 50mm cutter can be used in the 40 mm cutter head because they have the same pin patterns.
I have the following 50 mm cutter head accepting both 40mm and 50mm knives. And will accept whitehill's 55mm knives too.
James
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:29?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
This is very interesting. I kicked myself for buying Felder 40 mm block because I learned later that Felder 50 mm block can accommodate both 40 mm and 50 mm knives. The website still says, “Universal milling cutter made of steel for 40 mm and 50 mm profile knives”
Felder site does not say 50 mm knives can’t be used in 40 mm block, rather it says “suitable for 40 mm knives”. Somehow I made the conclusion that I can’t use 50 mm knives in my 40 mm block.
I understand that I am talking about 50 mm not 55 mm, maybe that makes a difference.
Any how, good to know that I can use 55 mm knives from Whitehill in my 40 mm Felder block and now wonder if it will also take Felder 50 mm knives.
Imran Malik
On Dec 7, 2024, at 8:05?PM, James Zhu via <james.zhu2=[email protected]> wrote:
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Yes, now I understand why 40mm euro?knives?do not work on whitehill's 125 x 55 cutter heads.
James
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:02?PM Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:
The pin spacing and diameter are the same, and the knife will?technically fit in the heads, but too much is buried inside the head.? Those 40mm "three holers" are designed for the smaller "euroblocks".
Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:29?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
This is very interesting. I kicked myself for buying Felder 40 mm block because I learned later that Felder 50 mm block can accommodate both 40 mm and 50 mm knives. The website still says, “Universal milling cutter made of steel for 40 mm and 50 mm profile knives”
Felder site does not say 50 mm knives can’t be used in 40 mm block, rather it says “suitable for 40 mm knives”. Somehow I made the conclusion that I can’t use 50 mm knives in my 40 mm block.
I understand that I am talking about 50 mm not 55 mm, maybe that makes a difference.
Any how, good to know that I can use 55 mm knives from Whitehill in my 40 mm Felder block and now wonder if it will also take Felder 50 mm knives.
Imran Malik
On Dec 7, 2024, at 8:05?PM, James Zhu via <james.zhu2=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Yes, now I understand why 40mm euro?knives?do not work on whitehill's 125 x 55 cutter heads.
James
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:02?PM Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:
The pin spacing and diameter are the same, and the knife will?technically fit in the heads, but too much is buried inside the head.? Those 40mm "three holers" are designed for the smaller "euroblocks".
Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter
This is very interesting. I kicked myself for buying Felder 40 mm block because I learned later that Felder 50 mm block can accommodate both 40 mm and 50 mm knives. The website still says, “Universal milling cutter made of steel for 40 mm and 50 mm profile knives”
Felder site does not say 50 mm knives can’t be used in 40 mm block, rather it says “suitable for 40 mm knives”. Somehow I made the conclusion that I can’t use 50 mm knives in my 40 mm block.
I understand that I am talking about 50 mm not 55 mm, maybe that makes a difference.
Any how, good to know that I can use 55 mm knives from Whitehill in my 40 mm Felder block and now wonder if it will also take Felder 50 mm knives.
On Dec 7, 2024, at 8:05?PM, James Zhu via groups.io <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
?
Yes, now I understand why 40mm euro?knives?do not work on whitehill's 125 x 55 cutter heads.
James
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:02?PM Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:
The pin spacing and diameter are the same, and the knife will?technically fit in the heads, but too much is buried inside the head.? Those 40mm "three holers" are designed for the smaller "euroblocks".
Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter