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On this page there is the original document in German:
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https://www.bghm.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Seminare/Holzbranche/TSM-Web_BG_96.18.pdf
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Laurie,
Thanks for confirming. This is an interesting anomaly. German is fine but need schematic to offer any assistance.?
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On Oct 29, 2024, at 11:46?PM, Laurie Lewis via groups.io <laurielewisofcalgary@...> wrote: ? When the stop button is pressed, the speed slows slightly but then returns to the normal operating speed for 5 to 10 seconds and then the motor reduces speed and stops.? If I press and hold the red button continuously, it makes no difference.? It actually seems to extend the time before the machine stops.? I have the original user manual and there is some type of schematic in the back of the manual but all of the writing is in german.? On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:16?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Can you confirm that it increases in speed or just does not continue to slow down. Thought being, that the brake is kicking out after a short time.? If it is indeed increasing in speed then I need to look at the schematic.? If you have one you can share high resolution pics. Make sure you are able to read lettering etc when you zoom in.
One thing you can try is to keep the red button pressed continuously to see if it makes any difference. On Oct 29, 2024, at 5:22?PM, Laurie Lewis via <laurielewisofcalgary= [email protected]> wrote: ? Recently my CF531 has exhibited a delay in stopping.? When I press the stop button, the machine begins to slow down but then increases in speed and I have to wait 5 to 10 seconds before the machine stops completely.? This is the case for all of the combination machine functions.? Does anyone know why this is happening and how I might correct the problem.??
Thanks, Laurie Lewis
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When the stop button is pressed, the speed slows slightly but then returns to the normal operating speed for 5 to 10 seconds and then the motor reduces speed and stops.? If I press and hold the red button continuously, it makes no difference.? It actually seems to extend the time before the machine stops.? I have the original user manual and there is some type of schematic in the back of the manual but all of the writing is in german.?
On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:16?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Can you confirm that it increases in speed or just does not continue to slow down. Thought being, that the brake is kicking out after a short time.? If it is indeed increasing in speed then I need to look at the schematic.? If you have one you can share high resolution pics. Make sure you are able to read lettering etc when you zoom in.
One thing you can try is to keep the red button pressed continuously to see if it makes any difference. On Oct 29, 2024, at 5:22?PM, Laurie Lewis via <laurielewisofcalgary= [email protected]> wrote: ? Recently my CF531 has exhibited a delay in stopping.? When I press the stop button, the machine begins to slow down but then increases in speed and I have to wait 5 to 10 seconds before the machine stops completely.? This is the case for all of the combination machine functions.? Does anyone know why this is happening and how I might correct the problem.??
Thanks, Laurie Lewis
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
Hi Imran,
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Thanks for the reply. ?I did reach out to Kyle at Shop Gear to see if perhaps they had an alternative base for the smart stand. ?I didn't see anything on the website, but one never knows. ?I expect an answer tomorrow. ?I had hoped this would be a simple 1 to 2 hour project. ?Remove one old stand and feeder, and install the new. ?Just a few bolts and done. ?I should know better. ?
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Looking closer at the tilt mount, I think I will be able to make and install a 1/2" thick shim to offset the bracket that is causing the interference. ?That should allow the bolt patterns to align.
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I will be able to make the shim easily enough. ?The tough part will be finding the correct length bolts. ?If that fails, I can make an adapter plate that will end up raising the stand the thickness of the plate, and offsetting the feeder a little closer to the front of the saw/shaper. ?
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I'll still be interested to find out if anyone else has attempted to make this work.
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Thanks,
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Alex B.
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On 10/29/2024 7:41 PM PDT imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Hi Alex,
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I was on quest of figuring this out but no one here, that I recall has confirmed. I thought Kyle (Shopgear) mentioned that someone did. Have you asked him?
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Locking levers are large so easy to lock well. I don¡¯t have a good memory but recall besides total weight, damage to memory pin was the concern. I probably would prefer disengaging the pin and then lock because I am not sure if pin is engaged, it is easy to tell if there is any force on it (accidentally). Not in shop so I hope I am not telling anything wrong.
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Finally, as you probably have noticed, SS is shorter than what you are replacing, at least the horizontal arm is lower, IIRC. So before you drill for mounting, determine if you need a transition to elevate. This will solve the issue of bolt pattern not matching as well.
On Oct 29, 2024, at 10:12?PM, Alex Bowlds via groups.io <aabj@...> wrote:
I got tired of fighting the Felder F48 power feeder. ?Very heavy and awkward to switch from horizontal to vertical feeding. ?So I purchased a Comatic DC70 with the smart stand. ?In error, I assumed the bases of the stands would all be similar. ?To my chagrin, I found the base of the smart stand will not bolt up to the plate on the tilting mount of my KF700SP. ?
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I understand the weight considerations. ?The smart stand is heavier than the old stand, while the new feeder is considerably lighter than the F48. ?And I can remember to lock the memory feature on the smart stand before swinging it out of the way.
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So, to my question(s). ?Has anyone else attempted to mount a smart stand to the tilting base? ?If so, what modifications did you make? ?As you can see, part of the tilting mount interferes with the stand base, preventing it from being centered on the mount. ?Thanks for any suggestions.
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Alex B.
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
Hi Alex,
I was on quest of figuring this out but no one here, that I recall has confirmed. I thought Kyle (Shopgear) mentioned that someone did. Have you asked him?
Locking levers are large so easy to lock well. I don¡¯t have a good memory but recall besides total weight, damage to memory pin was the concern. I probably would prefer disengaging the pin and then lock because I am not sure if pin is engaged, it is easy to tell if there is any force on it (accidentally). Not in shop so I hope I am not telling anything wrong.
Finally, as you probably have noticed, SS is shorter than what you are replacing, at least the horizontal arm is lower, IIRC. So before you drill for mounting, determine if you need a transition to elevate. This will solve the issue of bolt pattern not matching as well.
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On Oct 29, 2024, at 10:12?PM, Alex Bowlds via groups.io <aabj@...> wrote: ? I got tired of fighting the Felder F48 power feeder. ?Very heavy and awkward to switch from horizontal to vertical feeding. ?So I purchased a Comatic DC70 with the smart stand. ?In error, I assumed the bases of the stands would all be similar. ?To my chagrin, I found the base of the smart stand will not bolt up to the plate on the tilting mount of my KF700SP. ?
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I understand the weight considerations. ?The smart stand is heavier than the old stand, while the new feeder is considerably lighter than the F48. ?And I can remember to lock the memory feature on the smart stand before swinging it out of the way.
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So, to my question(s). ?Has anyone else attempted to mount a smart stand to the tilting base? ?If so, what modifications did you make? ?As you can see, part of the tilting mount interferes with the stand base, preventing it from being centered on the mount. ?Thanks for any suggestions.
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Alex B.
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Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
I got tired of fighting the Felder F48 power feeder. ?Very heavy and awkward to switch from horizontal to vertical feeding. ?So I purchased a Comatic DC70 with the smart stand. ?In error, I assumed the bases of the stands would all be similar. ?To my chagrin, I found the base of the smart stand will not bolt up to the plate on the tilting mount of my KF700SP. ?
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I understand the weight considerations. ?The smart stand is heavier than the old stand, while the new feeder is considerably lighter than the F48. ?And I can remember to lock the memory feature on the smart stand before swinging it out of the way.
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So, to my question(s). ?Has anyone else attempted to mount a smart stand to the tilting base? ?If so, what modifications did you make? ?As you can see, part of the tilting mount interferes with the stand base, preventing it from being centered on the mount. ?Thanks for any suggestions.
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Alex B.
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Re: File /General Information/BGHM_Shaper Training English.pdf uploaded
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Thank you David,?
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I just uploaded the full translated document, I haven't had a chance to review, but looks like good info on shapers, sliding table saws, band saws, etc...?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: File /General Information/BGHM_Shaper Training English.pdf uploaded
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I did something rash, and ordered a new Format-4 Kappa 450X. It is currently on a ship near Guatemala, headed for Oakland, CA. It should be in Boise by the end of November.
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Now I need to sell my K700S to make room for the new saw. Please reach out if you are thinking of purchasing one - this one is in excellent shape. I am a hobby woodworker, and this saw has seen little use since it was commissioned three years ago.
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* 10-ft sliding table
* 49¡± wide rip capacity
* 4 HP, 220V motor
* Separate motor for scoring blade ¨C adjustable scoring blade included
* Overhead guard and dust collector
* Dado capable
* 1500 mm outrigger with crosscut fence. Crosscut fence telescopes to 2600 mm
* Separate short crosscut fence included
* Lamb Tool Works Digital Readout stop on the outrigger fence
* Micro adjuster and Digital Readout on rip fence
$11,500
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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Re: Advice about spraying unit for light metals on slider
I don't think I have ever heard mention of someone getting that option on a Felder, so finding out how it works is going to be up to direct questions from Felder, and that's if they know....
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Tuesday, October 29, 2024 at 03:19:44 PM MST, Michael Wolf <missingeggacct@...> wrote:
Thanks Brian, I'll take a look.? One of my questions was whether or not the spray attachment is designed for MQL, or whether it makes a real mess.? I see that SCM's equivalent option is described as "Device for the blade micro-lubrication", which sounds a lot more like MQL coolant than some kind of flood system.? In the Felder catalog, I don't see any description for the K900/700 series machines.? In the Format section of the catalog, I see a picture of a very small spray head with a description of "High performance lubricating oil can be sprayed directly onto the saw blade", which indicates lubrication is the goal, not cooling, and thus implies the volume of oil (and thus mess) is small.
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Re: Advice about spraying unit for light metals on slider
Thanks Brian, I'll take a look.? One of my questions was whether or not the spray attachment is designed for MQL, or whether it makes a real mess.? I see that SCM's equivalent option is described as "Device for the blade micro-lubrication", which sounds a lot more like MQL coolant than some kind of flood system.? In the Felder catalog, I don't see any description for the K900/700 series machines.? In the Format section of the catalog, I see a picture of a very small spray head with a description of "High performance lubricating oil can be sprayed directly onto the saw blade", which indicates lubrication is the goal, not cooling, and thus implies the volume of oil (and thus mess) is small.
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Can you confirm that it increases in speed or just does not continue to slow down. Thought being, that the brake is kicking out after a short time. ?If it is indeed increasing in speed then I need to look at the schematic.? If you have one you can share high resolution pics. Make sure you are able to read lettering etc when you zoom in.
One thing you can try is to keep the red button pressed continuously to see if it makes any difference.
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On Oct 29, 2024, at 5:22?PM, Laurie Lewis via groups.io <laurielewisofcalgary@...> wrote: ? Recently my CF531 has exhibited a delay in stopping.? When I press the stop button, the machine begins to slow down but then increases in speed and I have to wait 5 to 10 seconds before the machine stops completely.? This is the case for all of the combination machine functions.? Does anyone know why this is happening and how I might correct the problem.??
Thanks, Laurie Lewis
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Re: How do I make this molding
Realizing that I could build up complex profiles from multiple pieces was the key thought that really opened up possibilities for me.? Depending on the complexity, I've sometimes build fixtures to enable consistent glue-ups of the component parts.? I've also built fixtures to enable me to run sub components through routing/shaping.? I'm largely a self taught woodworker, but I have a background as a machinist, where creating fixtures is a very common technique for solving difficult work-holding problems.
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Re: Advice about spraying unit for light metals on slider
I have cut a lot of aluminum on the slider. Unless you want to do it a lot, I wouldn't bother with the lubrication option. I use a Castrol Stick Lube I think they call it, use it on the chop saw, table saw and band saw if I'm cutting aluminum.
If you really have a lot, I designed an MQL lubrication system and you could run alcohol through it. That? is done on quite a few metal working machines where they don't want any oil on the finished product. I have a pdf instruction file on how to build the system if anybody wants it. File is too big to email, see the link below:
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Tuesday, October 29, 2024 at 01:46:34 PM MST, Michael Wolf <missingeggacct@...> wrote:
Does anyone have experience with a slider that has the optional spraying unit for cutting light metals?? I'm planning to buy a slider at the end of this year, and am trying to decide if I should get a K700S with that option, as I do an odd array of one-off fabrication, and the ability to cut aluminum sheet could be helpful.? My main hesitation is whether the sprayer is really only useful to enable a saw for consistent cutting of aluminum, but not so helpful if one is regularly wanting to switch between wood and aluminum.? If it takes me hours to switch materials due to the need for cleaning things up, I won't bother with the sprayer.
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Recently my CF531 has exhibited a delay in stopping.? When I press the stop button, the machine begins to slow down but then increases in speed and I have to wait 5 to 10 seconds before the machine stops completely.? This is the case for all of the combination machine functions.? Does anyone know why this is happening and how I might correct the problem.??
Thanks, Laurie Lewis
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Re: How do I make this molding
Thanks Jonathan, Bryce and Patrick. Yes, the thought was to do it in 2 pieces. Dado the profiles stock and the glue it to a backer. The shadow line is the tough part. I can roll the molding on top of a spinning router V bit but need to secure the end of the molding against something for registration of each cut and also to avoid any sideways movement of the molding. Still not sure if it is safe.
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On Oct 29, 2024, at 11:45?AM, Bryce Comer via groups.io <bryce@...> wrote: ? Like Patrick said, do it in two pieces, heck even if it were stained, you could still do it in two by first ripping the piece to be used in two. If the saw kerfs do indeed go full depth, or even close to it, i would simply do the dado cuts for the dentil part, then glue the pieces together before making the kerf cuts.
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Bryce
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Advice about spraying unit for light metals on slider
Does anyone have experience with a slider that has the optional spraying unit for cutting light metals?? I'm planning to buy a slider at the end of this year, and am trying to decide if I should get a K700S with that option, as I do an odd array of one-off fabrication, and the ability to cut aluminum sheet could be helpful.? My main hesitation is whether the sprayer is really only useful to enable a saw for consistent cutting of aluminum, but not so helpful if one is regularly wanting to switch between wood and aluminum.? If it takes me hours to switch materials due to the need for cleaning things up, I won't bother with the sprayer.
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I bought a narrow one from Crown. After looking at online options, prices and shipping I found an add for Crown. A quick call to the number got me a call back from my local rep. He was able top get me a new 48" narrow Crown for 500.00 delivered to my shop. Made in the USA with a service and parts warehouse 3 hours from my house. I use it for many jobs in? the shop like moving my bench ect. It was very competitively priced the rep delivered it himself, I figure if it good enough for Costco it should do me well!
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Mark Foster
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Re: OT: What totally unexpected things you have found in the shop
Unexpected thing occurred years back designing/handcrafting a front door for a client; I was milling stock on jointer and saw what looked like a drop of blood on wood after flipping, but then realized it was a hole, then noticed a few woodchuck bees ? flying in shop. I¡¯d stored wood outside under cover and didn¡¯t foresee this coming but I remedied it with Dutchman¡¯s and the door being a one off a bit eccentric it just adds to the patina, (no issues with client having one Dutchman on stile¡¡. So a happy ending to what could have been a total redo as I had no more wine tank wood. Please see Photos attached below. Cheers
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Re: File /General Information/BGHM_Shaper Training English.pdf uploaded
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Wow! At first glance it looks like a wealth of good information. It's always good to be reminded how to use these machines safely. I've a few "pucker" moments that I would like to avoid. This document will be helpful. Thank you for sharing.
Kerry
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Kerry Smith
Gotham Woodworks
www.gothamwoodworks.com
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