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Re: 3d models for shop layout
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These ideas will work for lay out ideas. While a proper 3d model would make it over the top for space and work flow guess it is not really needed.
Maybe someday Felder will release models for this purpose. We don't need the super detailed info that they have. Just the basic dimension and slide movement for sliders. |
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Re: 3d models for shop layout
I couldn't spend too much time on properly appealing modelling and geometries in Fusion, so I used some generic simple extrusion geometries? to the nearest couple inches tolerance, but made sure my working "bench" heights were proper so I could share machine tables where they needed to be coplanar, or make sure one surface was high enough to clear obstacles. For example, the?frame clamping press isn't fully defined except with a taper extrusion?for the angle as it sits. The slider saw has a big block where the carriage and cross fence need clearance. Anyways, I made each machine its own file for future sophistications as needed, then inserted them into the main shop file. If I want to add machines later or trade out, it's not cumbersome and keeps the main file from getting too complex. This iteration is from 2021. A neat feature of modeling this way is the ability to make 2x4 sticks and 4x8 sheets and move them about to test fit. At this point my shop has reconfigured nearly every year, it's always a work in progress. On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 1:29?PM Kerryj_smith via <kerry=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: sliding table saw: parallel fence vs 2nd crosscut fence?
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开云体育Same answer.?David Best - via mobile phone? On Oct 18, 2024, at 7:45?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Re: sliding table saw: parallel fence vs 2nd crosscut fence?
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On Oct 18, 2024, at 10:15?AM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? You guys are kidding yourself. ?+/-1.0 mm would be more sloppy than the original Felder unit. ?The required spec is +/- 0.01mm or better. ?What I produced was +/-0.0003-inches or +/- 0.008mm otherwise I scrapped them - a lot of them. ?The narrow distance between the pivot point and the point of 90° registration is woefully inadequate and a flawed design IMO. I did the best I could to work with the existing design and the tolerances is required with the existing Felder design are extreme. ?And like I said before, there’s more to this than machining T-nut and mating bushing. ?
If you really want to put energy into finding a solution here I suggest you focus on a new design that uses the P-channel (angled top prism feature) for registration with two points of contact via mating saddles to provide the 90° registration - similar to how the outrigger table attaches to the slider. ?If you want something that does angled miters a new approach similar to the following is the right strategy, or use the EGL/DGL. ? <25554561176_f810492982_c.jpg> <25554562606_1c5dce2002_c.jpg> <25580681155_1789decca3_c.jpg> David Best DBestWorkshop@... https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/ https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best On Oct 18, 2024, at 6:39?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Re: sliding table saw: parallel fence vs 2nd crosscut fence?
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开云体育You guys are kidding yourself. ?+/-1.0 mm would be more sloppy than the original Felder unit. ?The required spec is +/- 0.01mm or better. ?What I produced was +/-0.0003-inches or +/- 0.008mm otherwise I scrapped them - a lot of them. ?The narrow distance between the pivot point and the point of 90° registration is woefully inadequate and a flawed design IMO. I did the best I could to work with the existing design and the tolerances is required with the existing Felder design are extreme. ?And like I said before, there’s more to this than machining T-nut and mating bushing. ? If you really want to put energy into finding a solution here I suggest you focus on a new design that uses the P-channel (angled top prism feature) for registration with two points of contact via mating saddles to provide the 90° registration - similar to how the outrigger table attaches to the slider. ?If you want something that does angled miters a new approach similar to the following is the right strategy, or use the EGL/DGL. ? David Best DBestWorkshop@... https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/ https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best On Oct 18, 2024, at 6:39?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Re: sliding table saw: parallel fence vs 2nd crosscut fence?
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开云体育Hi Nate, David be the best to tell us if it is worthwhile to relax the 1/2 mil spec (between the bushing and the counterbore in t-nut), which is hard to meet. I would be worthwhile to know the effect on accuracy if the bushing OD tolerance is changed to +0/-1 mil. Which I hope more machine shops can meet. Imran Malik On Oct 18, 2024, at 9:11?AM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
? Are we familiar with any metal show that is willing to produce something with a tolerance of 0.01mm?
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Re: sliding table saw: parallel fence vs 2nd crosscut fence?
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开云体育Hi Chris, Well I shared this on my FB page and there is interest for 16 pieces. Probably not enough but anyone willing to take up this project? Imran Malik On Oct 11, 2024, at 8:14?AM, chris connolly via groups.io <connollyack@...> wrote:
?Thanks David, beautiful work. My short crosscut fence is always going on and off my k700 and i’m tired of having to fine tune it for square each time. I also notice that the fence gets pulled forward and away from the flip up stop slightly when tightening the outboard kip lever, but that is more controllable.? I would love to have your upgraded attachment design on my saw but I realize you aren’t interested in fabricating more of these. Does anyone have any thoughts on the feasibility of getting a significant order together and hiring a machine shop to fabricate some of these? Chris Connolly?
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Re: AD 531 Jointer/Planer
开云体育What size motor does it have? From your details, I assume it is single phase.Imran Malik On Oct 17, 2024, at 6:22?PM, james.r.peck via groups.io <james.r.peck@...> wrote:
? A first post with a simple question: How large an electrical circuit is required for this machine?
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I should soon take possession and want to know if I need to add another circuit in my shop. My SawStop and 18" bandsaw share a 20A/240V circuit (only one machine runs at a time, of course). Will this 20A circuit be adequate for the AD 531 as well, or should I plan on a 30A circuit?
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Re: 3d models for shop layout
David:
I have been on the same journey and looked everywhere for models. Finally, I got the dimensional drawings of most of the equipment I have, along with the equipment I will order. Then I drew the footprint of my shop building in Fusion (you can do in Sketchup too) and drew the outlines of each of the machines; pallet racks, etc. and extruded them to roughly their heights. While they are not true representations of the machines, etc., they are proportionally accurate representations in terms of size. I created each extruded cube as a separate body and labeled each one so I can move them around and determine accurate clearances, workflows, etc.? Not as pretty has having accurate models of my actual equipment, but I was more concerned in how to organize it efficiently to optimize placement in my shop.
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Here is a link to my shop model in Fusion:
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Attached is a screenshot w/the floorplan, machines in position, and the "naming tree" identifying the equipment.?
I hope this is helpful.
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Re: 3d models for shop layout
开云体育Felder can provide you with dimensioned drawings of all their machines in PDF format. ?They will not release the 3D models, ?but I can confirm that they were created in Siemens NX which wouldn’t help you even if they were made public.?I have made a simplified Fusion 360 model of a K940 which is nearly identical to a KF700 in terms of dimensions. ?You can download the F3Z file at the following link, and if you turn on the canvas in the browser, you will see that I used the Felder PDF document to derive the model. ? Attached are two 2D drawings that might help you with space planning. ?These are based on the Kappa 400 xMotion, but this is functionally the same size as a KF700 similarly equipped in terms of shop space requirements. David Best DBestWorkshop@... https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/ https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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3d models for shop layout
Been building my man cave for a while now. Like to think i'm in the home stretch of building anyways. Still have plumbing and flooring to pour. Yes, pex will be laid out for hydronic heating. Once in a lifetime deal. But in the meantime time work out some shop ideas. for current shop and when I move over to the new shop. Everyone here has said build bigger than you think you need cause you'll wish you would've built bigger. So true. I did build bigger than I thought I would ever need. Now thinking go should have made it bigger. Cause 3200 sq.ft. isn't enough. weird right. but space gets consumed quickly. RV, 20k 2 post lift, motorcycle lift, classic car parking and motorcycle parking. there goes almost 2000 sq.ft. Haven't even laid out the shop space yet. But moving on.
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Been looking for some 3d models to models for sketch-up or fusion 360. Sketch-up has a couple like the kf700 saw but not the kf700sp but the kf700 will work for my needs. the have a AD741 may it was AD9?? (what ever is the 410mm). but can't seem to find any other machines. like bandsaws and dust collectors.
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Does anyone know where to find any of the Felder 3d models. Don't need work ones just need them for foot print and shop layout. Seems 3d model your shop will be easier and faster to get a decent idea of how things will fit and functions.
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Looks for band saw FB600/610. KF700sp (10'ft slider), AD741.?
Other models like stand alone jointers and planers, shapers, edge sanders and dust collection would also be nice. |
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Re: Felder digital stop LCD fogging
开云体育Here is my order from this year and see the DNSP note (circled). I have never had to contest it but if they do not follow the quote, I will definitely ask for a refund.Imran Malik On Oct 15, 2024, at 12:45?PM, Imran Malik <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?Aaron, I have always said NO to the air shipment charge from Europe and opted for the 4-6 week delay. Which means that the parts come on the scheduled monthly shipment. I also make sure that the quote states No on partial shipment. This means all parts are shipped one time avoiding extra shipping charges. I have never Not received my order. Just sharing a different experience. Imran Malik On Oct 15, 2024, at 11:50?AM, Aaron Inami via groups.io <ainami@...> wrote: ? In my experience, if you don't do the $70 DHL option, any small parts orders may or may not ever get to you.
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Re: Felder digital stop LCD fogging
开云体育Aaron,I have always said NO to the air shipment charge from Europe and opted for the 4-6 week delay. Which means that the parts come on the scheduled monthly shipment. I also make sure that the quote states No on partial shipment. This means all parts are shipped one time avoiding extra shipping charges. I have never Not received my order. Just sharing a different experience. Imran Malik On Oct 15, 2024, at 11:50?AM, Aaron Inami via groups.io <ainami@...> wrote:
? In my experience, if you don't do the $70 DHL option, any small parts orders may or may not ever get to you.
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Re: Felder digital stop LCD fogging
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Things that come directly from Austria have the 'DHL' shipping charge of $70 min I was told yesterday.? If you opt for the 8-12 week version, you get UPS ground rates from Delaware.? They must pack the orders in a container to Felder US and then unload and ship from the US.
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