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Hi Netanel,
Most likely this is not the case but just want to be sure that you have verified that there is an adequate mounting surface on this machine for PF attachment.
On at least some Felder jointers that don¡¯t have factory prep for PF also don¡¯t have an?appropriate mounting surface.
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On Aug 9, 2024, at 6:29?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote: I was told that in order to add a power feeder I'll need to made my own bracket, they don't have any preparation for that.
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I live in the San Francisco area, so we have a bit more than 50,000 :)
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I am still not sure if I want a power feeder.
my current J/P is the Hammer A3-31, with a bed length of 1400, so even when I used the aluminum extension (which not always stayed flat with the cast iron), jointing something longer than 7 ft was challenging.
I will see how hard it will be to plan longer/wider boards before I¡¯ll add a PF.
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For the Suvamatic, I am still hesitating. I didn¡¯t like the pork chop that comes with the 52ES, so it was a must, but the FS7 has the euro guard. And as Tom said earlier, it makes the top heavier, so I am not sure how it will work.
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I got a quote from S&S for the Suvamaric and it was ?2200, if Martin sells it for $1800, it has a nice discount
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There is one option I am not sure that comes with the pre configured machine that is on the way to the US.
¡°First sectioned feed roller in steel¡±. I wondered if this is something I want?
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(As a side note, I want to thank you for convinced me to go with the PTE010 and not the weaker model, the FS7 consumes 33A (leaves just about 10% of the max 36A)
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Fitting a power feeder to the SCM jointer should be an easy task for any machinist or fabricator. ?I don¡¯t remember where you live, but if your residence has at least 50,000 people there will be more than one machinist and fabricator there who can design and fabricate what you need. ?This is the most basic of mechanical assemblies - an L-bracket with some holes and some threaded holes in the machine base to attach it to. ?Example here: ?
Martin USA is going downhill fast. ?They have no one with technical expertise left. ?Personally, I don¡¯t like the Suvamatic guard, but you can order it from Scott & Sargeant in the UK?and have the same machinist fit it to your J/P.
David Best
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On Aug 9, 2024, at 3:29?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
David,
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I went again to the SCM booth and asked about adding a power feeder.
I was told that in order to add a power feeder I'll need to made my own bracket, they don't have any preparation for that.
I was told to check with Co-matic, they should have a PF dedicated for jointers.
So I went to ShopGear and was told their jointer PF is only for jointers between 10" and 14".
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I went to Martin to ask about the Suvamatic, the sales rep barely knew details about it.
He also didn't know about their inventory, not impressive.
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Hi Robert,
You are welcome. Who are you trying to contact? With online postings one has to be careful as scam artists do exist. The only owner I know (a FOG member) is in MI (BF631). He had knee surgery and probably be out of commission for at least 6 weeks.
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On Aug 9, 2024, at 6:37?PM, rjoco.rowbear via groups.io <rjoco.rowbear@...> wrote: ? Hi Imran,
Thanks ever so much for replying to my request. ?That was very gracious of you.
I have contacted these folks; but, I¡¯m having trouble talking to them. ?
Thanks Again, Robert
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Re: Looking for a Clean Combination Machine
Hi Imran,
Thanks ever so much for replying to my request. ?That was very gracious of you.
I have contacted these folks; but, I¡¯m having trouble talking to them. ?
Thanks Again, Robert
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David,
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I went again to the SCM booth and asked about adding a power feeder.
I was told that in order to add a power feeder I'll need to made my own bracket, they don't have any preparation for that.
I was told to check with Co-matic, they should have a PF dedicated for jointers.
So I went to ShopGear and was told their jointer PF is only for jointers between 10" and 14".
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I went to Martin to ask about the Suvamatic, the sales rep barely knew details about it.
He also didn't know about their inventory, not impressive.
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Hey Mac, if you took the table extension off of the KF and butted the AD to the KF, wouldn¡¯t you more or less have the footprint of the CF741?
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On Aug 9, 2024, at 12:24?PM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
Sorry forgot to post a general picture
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Designing and building for 50 years On Aug 9, 2024, at 1:18?PM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Designing and building for 50 years On Aug 9, 2024, at 11:45?AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Robert,
Currently I am only aware of CF531 in Gig Harbor (Seattle/Tacoma) area. There are couple of BF631 (MI and NY).
I routinely post on my FB site, link below if you would like to join.
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On Aug 9, 2024, at 12:21?PM, rjoco.rowbear via groups.io <rjoco.rowbear@...> wrote:
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Hi, Robert Here,
Looking to buy a clean Felder or Hammer 5 in 1, combination machine in northwestern South Carolina.
If you have one to sell, or are thinking about selling one; let¡¯s talk.
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Sorry forgot to post a general picture
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Aug 9, 2024, at 1:18?PM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Designing and building for 50 years On Aug 9, 2024, at 11:45?AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Robert,
Currently I am only aware of CF531 in Gig Harbor (Seattle/Tacoma) area. There are couple of BF631 (MI and NY).
I routinely post on my FB site, link below if you would like to join.
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On Aug 9, 2024, at 12:21?PM, rjoco.rowbear via groups.io <rjoco.rowbear@...> wrote:
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Hi, Robert Here,
Looking to buy a clean Felder or Hammer 5 in 1, combination machine in northwestern South Carolina.
If you have one to sell, or are thinking about selling one; let¡¯s talk.
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Hi Robert, I am selling KF 700 pro and A.D. 741 Both 2003 4 hp includes rotor face, many accessories and tooling, including my clamps located around Indianapolis, Indiana. If interested, contact me off the fog Best mac
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Aug 9, 2024, at 1:18?PM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Designing and building for 50 years On Aug 9, 2024, at 11:45?AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Robert,
Currently I am only aware of CF531 in Gig Harbor (Seattle/Tacoma) area. There are couple of BF631 (MI and NY).
I routinely post on my FB site, link below if you would like to join.
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On Aug 9, 2024, at 12:21?PM, rjoco.rowbear via groups.io <rjoco.rowbear@...> wrote:
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Hi, Robert Here,
Looking to buy a clean Felder or Hammer 5 in 1, combination machine in northwestern South Carolina.
If you have one to sell, or are thinking about selling one; let¡¯s talk.
Re: Looking for a Clean Combination Machine
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Aug 9, 2024, at 11:45?AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Robert,
Currently I am only aware of CF531 in Gig Harbor (Seattle/Tacoma) area. There are couple of BF631 (MI and NY).
I routinely post on my FB site, link below if you would like to join.
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On Aug 9, 2024, at 12:21?PM, rjoco.rowbear via groups.io <rjoco.rowbear@...> wrote:
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Hi, Robert Here,
Looking to buy a clean Felder or Hammer 5 in 1, combination machine in northwestern South Carolina.
If you have one to sell, or are thinking about selling one; let¡¯s talk.
Hi Netanel,?
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I've attached a pair of renderings from SCM showing how their bracket mounts the Suvamatic on a FS-52es (presumably also the FS-41es), not sure about the FS-7.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Tom,
do you have a picture of the way the suvamtic is mounted on the 52es?
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Re: Looking for a Clean Combination Machine
Hi Robert,
Currently I am only aware of CF531 in Gig Harbor (Seattle/Tacoma) area. There are couple of BF631 (MI and NY).
I routinely post on my FB site, link below if you would like to join.
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On Aug 9, 2024, at 12:21?PM, rjoco.rowbear via groups.io <rjoco.rowbear@...> wrote:
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Hi, Robert Here,
Looking to buy a clean Felder or Hammer 5 in 1, combination machine in northwestern South Carolina.
If you have one to sell, or are thinking about selling one; let¡¯s talk.
 Designing and building for 50 years
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On Aug 9, 2024, at 7:15?AM, Tom Gensmer via groups.io <tom@...> wrote:
? Hi Lucky,?
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When I briefly had a A 951 L, I configured it with the Felder feeder bracket and a DS-400 power feeder. The A 951 L was a great jointer, and I'd recommend it without hesitation to someone looking for a large jointer (also look at the F 520). I bought it thinking I could accommodate separates, but once I had the machine in my Shop I immediately recognized I just didn't have the space for separates, sold it and replaced with an FS-52es. The A 951 L went to a local business who has it in heavy daily use and they just rave about it every time I stop by.
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I've been very pleased with my FS-52es, it's a relatively simple, no-frills machine but that's what I wanted, something very stout with few/no bells/whistles to give me trouble. I recently received a TF-130, ordered it for the same reason, I wanted a dead-simple, an all-mechanical/analog shaper with a side-mount tenoning table and a pull-out bar. The TF-130 with the "TL Pro-10" fits the bill, and I've been very pleased with it thus far. With a 40mm spindle, it's rated for 350mm tooling when tenoning. ?
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Anyways, yes, I did think that the feeder was helpful, particularly on large/heavy/dense timbers. Fortunately, most of my work is focused on doors and windows, so I'm generally processing more narrow stock, and if it's a relatively wide piece it's for a bottom rail or a panel, so at least it's short. That being said, I am currently processing some large Cedar beams for project where I'm definitely missing having a power feeder, and would consider figuring out a way to retrofit one to the FS-52es if I foresaw a lot more of that kind of work coming in.?
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On my A 951 L, I generally still preferred to keep the Euro guard in place over the cutter block when using the power feed, at least on the portion of cutter block that might be exposed.?
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Depending on the geometry of the swing of your power feeder, it?shouldn't interfere with the Suvamatic guard. The big catch here is that I don't think there's a straightforward way to remove the gold part of the guard mechanism, since it's spring loaded into the rest of the guard system, whereas the standard Felder Euro guard system can be easily removed by removing the gland end from the aluminum profile and slipping it out the side.?
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JP Rice,?
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For you AD941, ?ask Felder if you can get a parts diagram for a AD941 configured with the Suvamatic guard. From there, you can figure out if Felder is using a standard Suvamatic guard with stock mounting, or if they have a custom bracket.?
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When I ordered my Suvamatic from Scott & Sargeant, they inquired on which machine I would be mounting it, and sold me a Suvamatic guard with specialty mounting hardware designed specifically for the SCM jointer/planer combos. This hardware mounted the Suvamatic guard to the metal fascia between the two jointer tables. The advantage of this mounting location was that the Suvamatic guard flipped up with the tables. The downside of this location is, due to the extra weight of the Suvamatic and the surprisingly well-tuned spring assist on the FS-52es, the added weight made lifting the tables significantly more difficult.?
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When I ordered my FS-52es, I included the SCM mounting bracket for the Suvamatic as one of the accessories. This mounting bracket took several months to arrive and SCM didn't even have a drawing to share until a few weeks before I received it so I didn't really understand what I was getting until it arrived. The SCM bracket mounts the Suvamatic guard to the machine chassis. The down side here is you need to fully retract the guard before lifting the tables, then slide the guard back over the planer hood, so it adds an extra step or two (a few seconds). The benefit of this mounting location is that the jointer tables are back to a "finger tip" lift, I'm still surprised as how finely tuned the springs are.?
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Anyways, for your AD941, it may be worth carefully reviewing the installation method, and if there will be any unexpected consequences. Scott & Sargeant supplied me with a technical drawing of the Suvamatic prior to purchase, they can probably do the same for you.?
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Best,?
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Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Hi, Robert Here,
Looking to buy a clean Felder or Hammer 5 in 1, combination machine in northwestern South Carolina.
If you have one to sell, or are thinking about selling one; let¡¯s talk.
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Hi Lucky,?
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When I briefly had a A 951 L, I configured it with the Felder feeder bracket and a DS-400 power feeder. The A 951 L was a great jointer, and I'd recommend it without hesitation to someone looking for a large jointer (also look at the F 520). I bought it thinking I could accommodate separates, but once I had the machine in my Shop I immediately recognized I just didn't have the space for separates, sold it and replaced with an FS-52es. The A 951 L went to a local business who has it in heavy daily use and they just rave about it every time I stop by.
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I've been very pleased with my FS-52es, it's a relatively simple, no-frills machine but that's what I wanted, something very stout with few/no bells/whistles to give me trouble. I recently received a TF-130, ordered it for the same reason, I wanted a dead-simple, an all-mechanical/analog shaper with a side-mount tenoning table and a pull-out bar. The TF-130 with the "TL Pro-10" fits the bill, and I've been very pleased with it thus far. With a 40mm spindle, it's rated for 350mm tooling when tenoning. ?
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Anyways, yes, I did think that the feeder was helpful, particularly on large/heavy/dense timbers. Fortunately, most of my work is focused on doors and windows, so I'm generally processing more narrow stock, and if it's a relatively wide piece it's for a bottom rail or a panel, so at least it's short. That being said, I am currently processing some large Cedar beams for project where I'm definitely missing having a power feeder, and would consider figuring out a way to retrofit one to the FS-52es if I foresaw a lot more of that kind of work coming in.?
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On my A 951 L, I generally still preferred to keep the Euro guard in place over the cutter block when using the power feed, at least on the portion of cutter block that might be exposed.?
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Depending on the geometry of the swing of your power feeder, it?shouldn't interfere with the Suvamatic guard. The big catch here is that I don't think there's a straightforward way to remove the gold part of the guard mechanism, since it's spring loaded into the rest of the guard system, whereas the standard Felder Euro guard system can be easily removed by removing the gland end from the aluminum profile and slipping it out the side.?
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JP Rice,?
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For you AD941, ?ask Felder if you can get a parts diagram for a AD941 configured with the Suvamatic guard. From there, you can figure out if Felder is using a standard Suvamatic guard with stock mounting, or if they have a custom bracket.?
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When I ordered my Suvamatic from Scott & Sargeant, they inquired on which machine I would be mounting it, and sold me a Suvamatic guard with specialty mounting hardware designed specifically for the SCM jointer/planer combos. This hardware mounted the Suvamatic guard to the metal fascia between the two jointer tables. The advantage of this mounting location was that the Suvamatic guard flipped up with the tables. The downside of this location is, due to the extra weight of the Suvamatic and the surprisingly well-tuned spring assist on the FS-52es, the added weight made lifting the tables significantly more difficult.?
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When I ordered my FS-52es, I included the SCM mounting bracket for the Suvamatic as one of the accessories. This mounting bracket took several months to arrive and SCM didn't even have a drawing to share until a few weeks before I received it so I didn't really understand what I was getting until it arrived. The SCM bracket mounts the Suvamatic guard to the machine chassis. The down side here is you need to fully retract the guard before lifting the tables, then slide the guard back over the planer hood, so it adds an extra step or two (a few seconds). The benefit of this mounting location is that the jointer tables are back to a "finger tip" lift, I'm still surprised as how finely tuned the springs are.?
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Anyways, for your AD941, it may be worth carefully reviewing the installation method, and if there will be any unexpected consequences. Scott & Sargeant supplied me with a technical drawing of the Suvamatic prior to purchase, they can probably do the same for you.?
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Best,?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Hi Mac,
Things are going well! ?I miss my shop, my new house needs windows, I wish I had a way to build them. I hope you are well.
I bought the Suvamatic from Martin USA for $1850.
Joe
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On Aug 8, 2024, at 3:10?PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression via groups.io <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
? Hey Joe, how¡¯s it going long time no visit Do you remember the cost and where you purchased. Hope you¡¯re enjoying your move to bend! Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years On Aug 8, 2024, at 2:04?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
? Mac, the J/P combo don¡¯t have 630 version (it is the planer stand alone)
That is the top of the line from the J/P lineup
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Tom, I looked at the Suvamatic at IWF today in the Martin booth. I would love to retro it on my Felder AD941. Went to Felder booth to look at the AD941 on display to see if it would be possible, a Felder rep asked what I was looking for, I told him about the Suvamatic and he said Felder sold them and would install them on custom built machines. Going to explore it further.?
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Tom, and others:
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I¡¯m curious whether any of you use a feeder on your machines? I have a Dual-51 and used the Euro comfort guard for years, which as least is segmented so it gets somewhat out of the way. However, I use the
feeder for say 90% of all face-planing operations, and even that guard gets in the way. So I removed it altogether. Shock horror!
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I have the impression that the Suvamatic guard is indeed the best option, but would it get in the way of swinging a feeder into and out of place? I¡¯ve just taken to being careful when operating the surface
planer with the feeder (and occasionally without). But I¡¯d be keen to hear from other users of a feeder.
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PS: Some of my colleagues here in Australia think a feeder is a silly idea for surface-planing operations. However, I ¡°believe¡± this opinion is borne from a lack of experience. It is next to impossible to
flatten a 500mm+ wide slab of 50mm thick Redgum when said slab is short. It can be done but the effort is more than significant. The material is generally too hard to push through safely, even with sharp blades and good lubrication. But a slab at 3+m (i.e.
10 feet) at 500mm+ wide and 50mm thick is actually and genuinely impossible to face plane without the assistance of feeder. Such a slab can weigh 75kg or 165 pounds. For my work, a feeder is essential.
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Dr David Luckensmeyer
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I installed the Suvamatic guard on my FS-52es. I'd have to look at what I paid for it, but I purchased it from Scott & Sargeant in the UK. They do ask which machine you're using as apparently there are a number
of different Suvamatic configurations.?
I love the Suvamatic, not sure I could go back to a standard Euro guard, and the pork chop guard that shipped with the machine was a joke.?
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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The pork chop is a joke.
not sure how the pork chop guard passed regulation but the euro guard didn¡¯t?
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David P. Best
Tom Gensmer
JP Rice
David Luckensmeyer