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Re: RL160 chip bag

 

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Thanks Tom for confirming, teamwork ?

Imran Malik

On Jul 21, 2024, at 12:31?PM, Tom Gensmer via groups.io <tom@...> wrote:

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I believe it was David Best who identified the McMaster Carr bags which Imran .?
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I have been using the McMaster Carr bags # 4203T5 in my RL-160 for a few years now and they work well. They are a nice heavy gauge, but not as heavy duty as the Felder bags. I do not re-use the bags.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN


Re: Thin, precise boards

 

David,
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Thanks so much for your reply & for the useful & interesting info.? I have just now placed the double-sided tape into my Amazon basket.
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WRT the NorthState WBS - the manual that you sent is way superior to the one that I received with my sander - the one I got appeared to be a poor photocopy of a draft of the real thing.? Besides the explosion drawings (not included in my manual), this new (to me) manual has a paragraph & picture describing the procedure to level the bed; mine has been slightly askew since I got it (2008), and I have attempted numerous times to figure out to how correct it with no success. Now I have a place to start!
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At this point I am going to attempt to use the WBS to fine tune the thickness of my thin workpieces - the 3 options that you listed make sense, except the first one (pulling up on the piece as it exits the back) probably will not work on such a short workpiece...
I have experimented a little with the platen, but never fully understood its function. Your suggestion makes total sense and I will attempt to do that first. If that does not work, then I will attempt to adjust the input feed rollers, as you described & as (I think) I understand from the exploded view.
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WRT the planer - I am disappointed that an adjustment of the feed rollers requires a Felder technician. I know now how difficult (& ridiculously expensive) it is to get a Felder technician to my shop in rural SW Colorado....
Your reference to rubber rollers (vs the standard steel knife-edged rollers) is very interesting to me. As I mentioned, I do a lot of work with small, very precise parts. My planer works great for many things, but it has always irked me that you need to remove a minimum amount (at least .02" IME) on each pass, otherwise those steel rollers will leave ugly tracks on the workpiece. What is involved in replacing the rollers?
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Again, thanks for the response & all the great advice & info.
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Best regards,
Gerry Kmack
Kmack Studios
Pagosa Springs, CO
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Re: RL160 chip bag

 

I believe it was David Best who identified the McMaster Carr bags which Imran .?
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I have been using the McMaster Carr bags # 4203T5 in my RL-160 for a few years now and they work well. They are a nice heavy gauge, but not as heavy duty as the Felder bags. I do not re-use the bags.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN


Re: RL160 chip bag

 

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Stan,

I saved this from FOG. Unfortunately, I lost heading and I was only i in RL125. I believe this note was for RL160. Hopefully the text below will help search for the original post.

“I also found bags for the bins that fit perfectly from McMaster Carr. Compactor Liners, 10 cu ft, Part #4203T5. 50 bags for $62.?

I do believe these bags also fit the RL125 and 200 as well.”



Imran Malik

On Jul 21, 2024, at 11:18?AM, Stan Blaszczyk via groups.io <blaszcsj@...> wrote:

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Looking for an alternative bag for my rl160. Anyone have a vendor that does not charge nearly 50% the item cost for shipping and can buy in bulk? I have tried a few 60gal bags and they do not fit the square bins


RL160 chip bag

 

Looking for an alternative bag for my rl160. Anyone have a vendor that does not charge nearly 50% the item cost for shipping and can buy in bulk? I have tried a few 60gal bags and they do not fit the square bins


Re: Table extensions on AD 741. A warning

 

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Hi Brian,

Picture matches his description but he also said that he is getting a deeper cut on operator side vs the fence side. Therefore, it is useful to know if the outfeed is co-planer front to back (as opposed to in the direction of travel, which it is not).

Imran Malik

On Jul 21, 2024, at 10:48?AM, Brian Lamb via groups.io <blamb11@...> wrote:

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If you have adjusted the height of the outfeed table with respect to the cutterhead, then you want to make sure that you arrive at your height by raising the table using the lever on the outfeed side, not going lower to match the cutting circle.

Imran, if you looked at his pictures, you can see that a level place on the infeed table has a gap on the outfeed table, clearly showing that his tables are not coplanar. How or why they moved, I can't say, but they shouldn't if properly tightened.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
lambtoolworks.com


On Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 04:21:19 AM MST, petertheeater24 via groups.io <petertheeater24@...> wrote:


Opening and closing has not rectified the situation.
I’m not sure what you mean by “moving the out feed vertically”
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Re: Table extensions on AD 741. A warning

 

If you have adjusted the height of the outfeed table with respect to the cutterhead, then you want to make sure that you arrive at your height by raising the table using the lever on the outfeed side, not going lower to match the cutting circle.

Imran, if you looked at his pictures, you can see that a level place on the infeed table has a gap on the outfeed table, clearly showing that his tables are not coplanar. How or why they moved, I can't say, but they shouldn't if properly tightened.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
lambtoolworks.com


On Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 04:21:19 AM MST, petertheeater24 via groups.io <petertheeater24@...> wrote:


Opening and closing has not rectified the situation.
I’m not sure what you mean by “moving the out feed vertically”
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Re: Table extensions on AD 741. A warning

 
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Hi Peter,
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I use both, cast iron and AL ext tables, on the infeed and outfeed of Dual51. It is hard for me to believe that they can move the tables on a well adjusted machine. Tables, when locked, do not budge other than a few thousands that you can only see on a needle gauge.
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For grins have you tried another piece of wood that is relatively flat and void of knots?
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You described the 0.8mm dip on the far end of the outfeed but did not say if the outfeed is coplaner with the infeed from front operator end) to back (fence) at the cutterhead. Can you share this detail?
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The only thing I can suggest, assuming your outfeed was set perfectly, is to place your straight edge as you described where you can see the 0.8mm dip on the end of the outfeed. Now gently try to lift the outfeed (in-line with the weight of the ext table, I know not easy but giving an idea) and see if you can reduce or eliminate the 0.8 mm gap. If so then you need an adjustment.

Imran Malik

On Jul 20, 2024, at 8:19?AM, petertheeater24 via groups.io <petertheeater24@...> wrote:

For the first time I decided to use the cast Iron table extension that is usually attached to my shaper spindle moulder to my planer jointer out feed. ?I was planing some 10’ x 10” x 1 1/4 and thought I might benefit from extending the surface to help achieve a flatter, truer board. ?I set the extension up to be perfectly level with the out feed table.?

so far so good and the added surface helped support at the end of the cut. I think I probably always use the end of the outfeed table to pivot longer boards or use it as a point to rotate the board onto its side ready to carry it back for another pass. ?I didn’t deliberately do this on the extension- more so that I didn’t lever it out of level relative to the out feed surface. ?

Next day surface planing up some smaller boards I noticed something was amiss. ?First thing was the stock hitting the out feed just after the cutter on fence side. ?I could pass a board over cutter at the front of the machine but it was taking more from one side than other. ?I presume the out feed has moved and I would imagine this is due to the extra leverage of the extension.?

The table sits comfortably on the cathedral bolts at the front and they aren’t loose ( as in neither have loosened or undone). ?

The out feed tips away from the cutter head by 0.80 mm with the in feed and out feed tables married up at the cutter head.
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Fistly, am I missing something obvious? ?I am really hoping not to have to ?recalibrate the tables. ?I don’t have any of the specialist dials / gauges etc. A while ago I tried to set up a Hammer planer / Thicknesser that a colleague had attempted to adjust. After many hours I failed and had to call in Felder Techs - ???????$$$$$. ?

Any input welcomed.?


Re: Table extensions on AD 741. A warning

 

Opening and closing has not rectified the situation.
I’m not sure what you mean by “moving the out feed vertically”
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Re: Thin, precise boards

 

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The editor of Australian Wood Review an actual woodworker? ?How refreshing. ?I wonder if Felder has ever considered hiring someone with real woodworking experience.?

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David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best



On Jul 21, 2024, at 12:01?AM, David Luckensmeyer via groups.io <dhluckens@...> wrote:

Great links James! “That guy” is Neil Erasmus, one of the editors of Australian Wood Review. Great fellow. Maybe if I keep writing enough, I can steal his job one day! ??

Warm regards,
Lucky

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu via groups.io <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2024 4:54:15 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Thin, precise boards
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This guy can plane the material down to 0.65mm on his AD941 using a jig!






James



On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 4:26?PM mac campshure via <mac512002=[email protected]> wrote:
If you use the tape 3M is my preference by far
martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell
Designing and building for 50 years

On Jul 20, 2024, at 1:46?PM, Terence via <terencewoolston=[email protected]> wrote:

?All: ?I routinely plane material down to .125” with my Dual 51 to prepare pieces for bent lamination construction…straight grain is pretty essential and some pieces will be devoured by the planer come what may…a bit of extra length is always wise, small bites of .0025 at the slowest feed rate…Terry

On Jul 20, 2024, at 2:29 PM, ibsenafshar <brian@...> wrote:

By coincidence, just yesterday I was able to thickness plane ash to .3" without a carrier board but less than that the machine want to turn the stock sideways and chew it up. With a carrier and thin double stick tape I easily hit my target .190". This with a 1999 Hammer C3-31, nothing special but the cutters are wicked sharp.





Re: Thin, precise boards

 

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Great links James! “That guy” is Neil Erasmus, one of the editors of Australian Wood Review. Great fellow. Maybe if I keep writing enough, I can steal his job one day! ??

Warm regards,
Lucky


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu via groups.io <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2024 4:54:15 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Thin, precise boards
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This guy can plane the material down to 0.65mm on his AD941 using a jig!






James



On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 4:26?PM mac campshure via <mac512002=[email protected]> wrote:
If you use the tape 3M is my preference by far

martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell

Designing and building for 50 years


On Jul 20, 2024, at 1:46?PM, Terence via <terencewoolston=[email protected]> wrote:

?All: ?I routinely plane material down to .125” with my Dual 51 to prepare pieces for bent lamination construction…straight grain is pretty essential and some pieces will be devoured by the planer come what may…a bit of extra length is always wise, small bites of .0025 at the slowest feed rate…Terry

On Jul 20, 2024, at 2:29 PM, ibsenafshar <brian@...> wrote:

By coincidence, just yesterday I was able to thickness plane ash to .3" without a carrier board but less than that the machine want to turn the stock sideways and chew it up. With a carrier and thin double stick tape I easily hit my target .190". This with a 1999 Hammer C3-31, nothing special but the cutters are wicked sharp.


Re: Thin, precise boards

 

This guy can plane the material down to 0.65mm on his AD941 using a jig!






James



On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 4:26?PM mac campshure via <mac512002=[email protected]> wrote:
If you use the tape 3M is my preference by far

martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell

Designing and building for 50 years


On Jul 20, 2024, at 1:46?PM, Terence via <terencewoolston=[email protected]> wrote:

?All: ?I routinely plane material down to .125” with my Dual 51 to prepare pieces for bent lamination construction…straight grain is pretty essential and some pieces will be devoured by the planer come what may…a bit of extra length is always wise, small bites of .0025 at the slowest feed rate…Terry

On Jul 20, 2024, at 2:29 PM, ibsenafshar <brian@...> wrote:

By coincidence, just yesterday I was able to thickness plane ash to .3" without a carrier board but less than that the machine want to turn the stock sideways and chew it up. With a carrier and thin double stick tape I easily hit my target .190". This with a 1999 Hammer C3-31, nothing special but the cutters are wicked sharp.


Re: Phase Perfect Simple

 

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Thanks Michael.

Imran Malik

On Jul 20, 2024, at 2:08?PM, Michael Garrison Stuber via groups.io <mtgstuber@...> wrote:

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It's just the standard 4kw single phase motor, vintage 2016.

On 7/19/2024 7:04 PM, imranindiana via groups.io wrote:
Michael,

Thank you for sharing this. I will mull over this when I am back home. What is the motor size in your machine?

Imran Malik
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Michael Garrison Stuber


Re: Phase Perfect Simple

 

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Hi Taylor,

PP does not have a high leg as one would have in a RPC.?

If you get that specific code in Felder, the brake board can be calibrated to eliminate the code. This assumes that the brake board is good and the tooling is in line with what the saw is designed for. I am not sure what options Martin saw’s brake board provides.

Imran Malik

On Jul 20, 2024, at 1:36?PM, taylor donsker via groups.io <tdonsker@...> wrote:

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[Edited Message Follows]

Interesting regarding the brake. My martin tablesaw has been having brake errors lately. It will often trip the breaker inside the saw’s electrical cabinet with an error message about it taking too long to brake or something. It stops very fast and I do not know what the exact issue is. The tech at martin said to switch the legs around so the high voltage leg is on a specific terminal but it did not seem to help any of the three times I did it. I have resorted to shutting off the phase perfect to turn off the saw and let it simply coast down on its own since it has an overhead guard above it almost always.?

fyi I have a pt020 that is only a couple years old.?


Re: Thin, precise boards

 

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If you use the tape 3M is my preference by far

martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell

Designing and building for 50 years


On Jul 20, 2024, at 1:46?PM, Terence via groups.io <terencewoolston@...> wrote:

?All: ?I routinely plane material down to .125” with my Dual 51 to prepare pieces for bent lamination construction…straight grain is pretty essential and some pieces will be devoured by the planer come what may…a bit of extra length is always wise, small bites of .0025 at the slowest feed rate…Terry

On Jul 20, 2024, at 2:29 PM, ibsenafshar <brian@...> wrote:

By coincidence, just yesterday I was able to thickness plane ash to .3" without a carrier board but less than that the machine want to turn the stock sideways and chew it up. With a carrier and thin double stick tape I easily hit my target .190". This with a 1999 Hammer C3-31, nothing special but the cutters are wicked sharp.


Re: Give a Man A Fish..... (Felder Customer Service report)

 

Great story and happy to hear the happy ending. Please invite this Hero from Texas to join this group. He’ll be in good company with the incredibly helpful and knowledgeable members the group has.?


Re: Thin, precise boards

 

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All: ?I routinely plane material down to .125” with my Dual 51 to prepare pieces for bent lamination construction…straight grain is pretty essential and some pieces will be devoured by the planer come what may…a bit of extra length is always wise, small bites of .0025 at the slowest feed rate…Terry

On Jul 20, 2024, at 2:29 PM, ibsenafshar <brian@...> wrote:

By coincidence, just yesterday I was able to thickness plane ash to .3" without a carrier board but less than that the machine want to turn the stock sideways and chew it up. With a carrier and thin double stick tape I easily hit my target .190". This with a 1999 Hammer C3-31, nothing special but the cutters are wicked sharp.


Re: Thin, precise boards

 
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By coincidence, just yesterday I was able to thickness plane ash to .3" without a carrier board but less than that the machine want to turn the stock sideways and chew it up. With a carrier and thin double stick tape I easily hit my target .190". This with a 1999 Hammer C3-31, nothing special but the cutters are wicked sharp. Images below are the ash, and a slice of afromosia that is .120".? Easy.
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Re: Phase Perfect Simple

 

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It's just the standard 4kw single phase motor, vintage 2016.

On 7/19/2024 7:04 PM, imranindiana via groups.io wrote:
Michael,

Thank you for sharing this. I will mull over this when I am back home. What is the motor size in your machine?

Imran Malik
--
Michael Garrison Stuber


Re: Phase Perfect Simple

 
Edited

Interesting regarding the brake. My martin tablesaw has been having brake errors lately. It will often trip the breaker inside the saw’s electrical cabinet with an error message about it taking too long to brake or something. It stops very fast and I do not know what the exact issue is. The tech at martin said to switch the legs around so the high voltage leg is on a specific terminal but it did not seem to help any of the three times I did it. I have resorted to shutting off the phase perfect to turn off the saw and let it simply coast down on its own since it has an overhead guard above it almost always.?

fyi I have a pt020 that is only a couple years old.?