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Re: Thin, precise boards

 

I run thin stuff through a drum sander for final thicknessing, or if the piece is so short I cannot cut a bit of snipe off.
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My 15¡± Powermatic will mill 0.4¡± material reliably. One more pass through the drum sander if needed to take care of snipe, or if I get a little tear out.

For 0.05¡± strips for filling bandsaw kerfs I joint a board, rip a slightly over thick piece on a bandsaw, and then use a drum sander to get an exact thickness.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941


Re: Thin, precise boards

 

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Why can¡¯t you mill a long board at 0.4¡± and then cut it into shorter pieces? Should not be an issue. I have done 1/2¡± on dual 51.

Imran Malik

On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:46?PM, Gerry Kmack via groups.io <gerry.kmack@...> wrote:

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Fellow FOGers:
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My work frequently requires me to produce precise, small parts. Several years ago, in response to a related post on this forum, I was told about the "Fritz & Franz" jig.? This simple but ingenious jig has worked well for me when crosscutting all sorts of small parts.? However, it does not solve the problems related to milling short (~10" long) thin (~.4" thick) boards accurately and without snipe (or worse) defects.
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I have attempted to build several planer sleds (found on YouTube), but nothing has really worked well - a high percentage of the boards milled this way still ended up with snipe, or worse (deep gouges etc). FWIW, I regularly clean and wax the cast iron table - this helps enormously on thicker pieces, but does not resolve my problems with thin (<.5" thick) boards.
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My shop is reasonably well-equipped: I have a Felder CF741P (combination machine) so: Joiner/Planer/Sliding Tablesaw & Shaper all good quality. Also a Laguna 16HD bandsaw, which is a truly great saw, also a North State open ended wide belt sander - along with other stuff, but these three are the primary tools that I have attempted to use to produce the precise, thin boards that my projects often require. All, so far, with limited success...
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I am about to begin a new build which requires (24) hard maple boards each measuring 9.925" x 1.30" x .40".? Before I get started, I was hoping to get advice from this group about this problem.?
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Thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks in advance!
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Gerry Kmack
Kmack Studios / Cave Creek Woodworks
KmackStudios.com
Pagosa Springs, CO


Thin, precise boards

 

Fellow FOGers:
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My work frequently requires me to produce precise, small parts. Several years ago, in response to a related post on this forum, I was told about the "Fritz & Franz" jig.? This simple but ingenious jig has worked well for me when crosscutting all sorts of small parts.? However, it does not solve the problems related to milling short (~10" long) thin (~.4" thick) boards accurately and without snipe (or worse) defects.
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I have attempted to build several planer sleds (found on YouTube), but nothing has really worked well - a high percentage of the boards milled this way still ended up with snipe, or worse (deep gouges etc). FWIW, I regularly clean and wax the cast iron table - this helps enormously on thicker pieces, but does not resolve my problems with thin (<.5" thick) boards.
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My shop is reasonably well-equipped: I have a Felder CF741P (combination machine) so: Joiner/Planer/Sliding Tablesaw & Shaper all good quality. Also a Laguna 16HD bandsaw, which is a truly great saw, also a North State open ended wide belt sander - along with other stuff, but these three are the primary tools that I have attempted to use to produce the precise, thin boards that my projects often require. All, so far, with limited success...
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I am about to begin a new build which requires (24) hard maple boards each measuring 9.925" x 1.30" x .40".? Before I get started, I was hoping to get advice from this group about this problem.?
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Thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks in advance!
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Gerry Kmack
Kmack Studios / Cave Creek Woodworks
KmackStudios.com
Pagosa Springs, CO


Re: Cantilevered Lumber Storage Ideas

 

I have made shelving for lumber and for other material several times. I mill 2x4 spacers to a consistent thickness, straighten one edge, and laminate them between 1x4 sides. I make the horizontals out of 2x4 also.?

Assemble on a flat surface, so the spacers are in a straight line. Use the horizontals to keep the mortices the correct dimension. Glue and screw the 1x4s to the 2x4. The weight goes to the floor, and a single screw at the top of the post keeps the post upright. The horizontals are a sliding fit into the posts, so they can be moved around to accommodate your storage.
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The 1x4 sides do not need to be straight. Keeping the internal 2x4 consistent and aligned is important.
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There is not much on the shelves in this photo, but other areas have been really loaded up. I can stand on the end of the horizontals and they do not budge.
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For lighter storage I use 1x4 for the internal spacers. Sometimes I taper the horizontals.
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I put the shelves too far apart vertically in the installation in this photo. Sooner or later I¡¯ll replace it.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941


Re: Sliding Table ¡°90 Degree Jig¡± #sawsetup

 

Late to the thread here, but hopefully this might be useful. Why not shape the zebrano uprights to their final shape, apply the edge veneer, and then cut the half laps? You¡¯d need to create a cross cut fence that is taller than your uprights¡¯ width with a back fence, as instead of registering solely off of the slider and outrigger table, the back fence would be the reference. But the time savings, accuracy of the half lap, and likely superior gluing result of the edge veneer would tend to send me that direction...


Re: Air lines distribution

 

I used 1/2" pex to get from my compressor on the south side of my shop to the slider on the north.? The shop is wood frame and I ran the pex from the compressor into the wall cavity to the attic and back down the wall cavity on the other side of the shop.? Used the termination block below face mounted to both walls and a hose from block to Mac's regulator.? For those (few) of us who prefer their electrical and plumbing behind the drywall.? ?$10 for the aluminum termination block at home depot.??

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On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 1:36?PM netanel.belgazal via <netanel.belgazal=[email protected]> wrote:

The California air system is what I currently have. Getting another one like that is also an interesting idea.
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Do you have secondary regulator on each machines?


Re: Cantilevered Lumber Storage Ideas

 

I store all my wood vertically. It's much easier to find and retrieve boards.


Re: Cantilevered Lumber Storage Ideas

 

I have been thinking a car lift system could be modified to work for high density storage.? Each level lays on a piece of plywood or frame with spacers attached below.? Swing the arms in just above the level you want access to.? Lift the load a couple of inches or just enough to slide out what you want.? Build a solid roof over and curtain sides or open up your existing shed sides.? Trimming high value lumber to 112" makes me sad.?
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There are lots of styles.? Some are even portable.
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Re: Air lines distribution

 

Depends on what you plan to do with it. Everybody has covered the option to just charge the clamps. Almost anything will work. If you want to get serious, like an HVLP system, then you're into a whole different ballgame.
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I use a Quincy 5hp, 80gal compressor feeding a 3/4" copper header via a large desiccant filter. I used Harris Bridgit high temp and pressure solder. Regular plumbing solder gets soft at high temps and can blow out. The copper helps keep the air cool and doesn't rust like black iron. Then I have multiple 1/2" drops feeding retractable hose reels. I have a 1/2" hose for the HVLP, 3/8" for general purposes and a 1/4" reel above the workbench. This setup works great for me, but it's total overkill to just feed your clamps.?
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Under no circumstances should you use PVC. It turns into shrapnel eventually.?


Re: Cantilevered Lumber Storage Ideas

 

Good find on all the timber PK.??
A friend builds little storage areas around their garden.? Racking constructed with 4 x 2s and have tin sides and top.? The ends are open.? They have a big garden and all these storage areas are not seen (unless you are really looking for them!)
Good luck
Cheers, David
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Re: Air lines distribution

 

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Netanel,

?I assume you are asking me. All 3 machines have pressure regulators. The hose reel is at compressor pressure. The compressor sits under rip extension of K975 saw and I cannot see the dial of the pressure gauge. So when using a nail gun with hose reel, it is a pain to adjust pressure.

My long term plan is to add a manifold (with pressure regulator) for distribution on the wall.

Imran Malik

On Jul 16, 2024, at 2:36?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:

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The California air system is what I currently have. Getting another one like that is also an interesting idea.
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Do you have secondary regulator on each machines?


Re: Air lines distribution

 

Netenal,

U need a minimum of 1 gallon compressor to operate clamps,
Clamps come with osha shut off valve and adjustable regulator and water seperator i pre set at 60# with 90# magnet mount with non marring felt surface..
I my shop which is quite large i run 3/8" id rubber air house. use brass fittings and clamps, i purchase from Mc Master Carr.
you dont need anything fancy.
In my assembly lab i use pex tubing and pex fittings works great.
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best mac,,

martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330 cell
608-824-0023 fax

instagram.com/maccampshure/

Designing and building for 50 years


On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:


The California air system is what I currently have. Getting another one like that is also an interesting idea.
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Do you have secondary regulator on each machines?


Re: Air lines distribution

 

The California air system is what I currently have. Getting another one like that is also an interesting idea.
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Do you have secondary regulator on each machines?


Re: Gear oil

 

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I'd just google the equivalent that is available locally.? There are 5 gal alternatives in the $100 range.? I've found that I can often buy 5 gal from industrial distributers for not much more than shipping and buying 1 gallon containers.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of taylor donsker <tdonsker@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2024 12:18 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Gear oil
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I had a hard time finding small quantities of mobil xp. Typically 5 gallon drums.?


Re: Air lines distribution

 

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I bought California Air model below to run clamps. It worked fine.


Then I got mini WBS and K975 so I needed a distribution system. If you want to break all the rules, this was done in few hrs and has been in service for 4 yrs hobby use. It supports 2 machines with clamps, ceiling hung hose reel and WBS.

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Imran Malik

On Jul 16, 2024, at 1:12?PM, Andy via groups.io <andy.raynor08@...> wrote:

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I use rapidaire maxline 3/4 with their fittings to run lines from a 5hp vertical compressor.? I use this system to distribute to my cnc which has an auto tool changer, and to various drops. The system has a neat drop feature that allows you to put drop stations wherever you need.?



The tubing is Pex-AL which is rated for pressure and so far it¡¯s worked flawlessly. The drop stations are great for quickly hooking up tools and for draining condensation.?

I think however a system of this size might be a bit of overkill for Macs clamps and some dust blowing but once you have it in place you might find more utility for it.?

The one gripe I have is that the tubing is semi flexible and getting the pipe straight takes a lot of time and still looks a little less than straight in some areas - the upside is that you can just bend it to make angles and corners.?

Andy?


On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 12:52?PM netanel.belgazal via <netanel.belgazal=[email protected]> wrote:
So far I only use my air compressor for small things like pin nailer and blowing dust.
I ordered mac clamps and I need to distribute air across my shop.
I wonder if you have any recommendations on air hoses/manifolds/fittings?


Re: Air lines distribution

 

If you are just extending to the saw, I'd suggest staying cheap and flexible with a 50 or 100 hose extension off your current compressor. The saw/clamp needs very little air. However do yourself a favor and add another splitter at the saw that makes it easy to plug anything else (or a retractrable?spool).

After that you might consider spending big money on a more substantial install. We ran for years on flexible 1/2" and 3/8" hoses to tools and it was fine mostly. It's better now that we have a fully redundant 3/4" Pex loop system and extra receiver tanks, but the widebelt is an air hog when all the blowoffs are activated and still outruns the supply after a while. If you aren't running air sanders or pneumatic hose spray guns, you don't need much air movement. Even one of our CNCs is just a push-lok 6mm or 8mm tubing supply and it is constant bleed air at the spindle.?

On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 12:12?PM Andy via <andy.raynor08=[email protected]> wrote:
I use rapidaire maxline 3/4 with their fittings to run lines from a 5hp vertical compressor.? I use this system to distribute to my cnc which has an auto tool changer, and to various drops. The system has a neat drop feature that allows you to put drop stations wherever you need.?



The tubing is Pex-AL which is rated for pressure and so far it¡¯s worked flawlessly. The drop stations are great for quickly hooking up tools and for draining condensation.?

I think however a system of this size might be a bit of overkill for Macs clamps and some dust blowing but once you have it in place you might find more utility for it.?

The one gripe I have is that the tubing is semi flexible and getting the pipe straight takes a lot of time and still looks a little less than straight in some areas - the upside is that you can just bend it to make angles and corners.?

Andy?


On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 12:52?PM netanel.belgazal via <netanel.belgazal=[email protected]> wrote:
So far I only use my air compressor for small things like pin nailer and blowing dust.
I ordered mac clamps and I need to distribute air across my shop.
I wonder if you have any recommendations on air hoses/manifolds/fittings?



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Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110

314.772.2167
brett@...


Re: Air lines distribution

 

I use rapidaire maxline 3/4 with their fittings to run lines from a 5hp vertical compressor.? I use this system to distribute to my cnc which has an auto tool changer, and to various drops. The system has a neat drop feature that allows you to put drop stations wherever you need.?



The tubing is Pex-AL which is rated for pressure and so far it¡¯s worked flawlessly. The drop stations are great for quickly hooking up tools and for draining condensation.?

I think however a system of this size might be a bit of overkill for Macs clamps and some dust blowing but once you have it in place you might find more utility for it.?

The one gripe I have is that the tubing is semi flexible and getting the pipe straight takes a lot of time and still looks a little less than straight in some areas - the upside is that you can just bend it to make angles and corners.?

Andy?


On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 12:52?PM netanel.belgazal via <netanel.belgazal=[email protected]> wrote:

So far I only use my air compressor for small things like pin nailer and blowing dust.
I ordered mac clamps and I need to distribute air across my shop.
I wonder if you have any recommendations on air hoses/manifolds/fittings?


Re: Air lines distribution

 

I put black pipe up in my shop for my airlines. I have runs with drops to eliminate condensation and it works now but holey smokes it was a pain in the ass to install and get everything air tight and not leaking at the joints.? That and the maneuvering needed with fittings to go up and over and around things.? I swore never again and am hoping the person that buys our house when we moves wants me to leave it installed.? I'm leaning towards a Rapid Air installation in my retirement shop.
Dave Davies

On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 12:06?PM Michael Branning via <mtbranning=[email protected]> wrote:

Dave, why not?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of David Davies via <myfinishingtouch=[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 12:54
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To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Air lines distribution

Or just get another small compressor and put it right by the slider.

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Do not use black pipe !

Dave Davies

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On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 11:52?AM netanel.belgazal via <netanel.belgazal=[email protected]> wrote:

So far I only use my air compressor for small things like pin nailer and blowing dust.

I ordered mac clamps and I need to distribute air across my shop.

I wonder if you have any recommendations on air hoses/manifolds/fittings?


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Dave & Marie Davies

318-219-7868



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Dave & Marie Davies

318-219-7868


Re: Air lines distribution

 

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Dave, why not?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of David Davies via groups.io <myfinishingtouch@...>
Date: Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 12:54
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To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Air lines distribution

Or just get another small compressor and put it right by the slider.

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Do not use black pipe !

Dave Davies

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On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 11:52?AM netanel.belgazal via <netanel.belgazal=[email protected]> wrote:

So far I only use my air compressor for small things like pin nailer and blowing dust.

I ordered mac clamps and I need to distribute air across my shop.

I wonder if you have any recommendations on air hoses/manifolds/fittings?


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Dave & Marie Davies

318-219-7868


Re: Air lines distribution

 

Or just get another small compressor and put it right by the slider.

Do not use black pipe !
Dave Davies

On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 11:52?AM netanel.belgazal via <netanel.belgazal=[email protected]> wrote:

So far I only use my air compressor for small things like pin nailer and blowing dust.
I ordered mac clamps and I need to distribute air across my shop.
I wonder if you have any recommendations on air hoses/manifolds/fittings?



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Dave & Marie Davies

318-219-7868