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Re: ripsaw fence hack for addressing deflection and more!
Thank you for the feedback and the ideas. I need to use my setup for a while before declaring it a success.
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2016 Martin T60, very low usage in hobby shop. 7.5hp, 220v 3phase 2 axis scoring saw, elec. adjustable 3.3m slider 1350mm rip capacity Digital readout rip-fence with handwheel adjustment on operator side Electric height and tilt? Miter cross-cut table (same as T70/T75) Premium cross-cut fence w/ continuous support, analog (same as T70/T75) Rear table extension Located near Portland, OR will entertain offers, best to call and discuss. Troy 503-869-5668    
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Re: ripsaw fence hack for addressing deflection and more!
Tim with the cf you can also use your shaper fence for a bump stop. Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jun 30, 2024, at 2:19?PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Tim,
Thanks for sharing the hack. I just wanted to add that if you have a mag base for an indicator, that works just as well. I also use it as a reference surface (bump stop) and as a stop for routing.
On Jun 30, 2024, at 2:44?PM, Tim Perez via groups.io <t.w.perez@...> wrote:
?Greetings group, I wanted to share a useful hack of my tablesaw a rip fence. I have a CF 741 and was using the high-speed router spindle. ?While ?routing some sliding dovetails I noticed?variations in the results due to deflection of the rip fence. Although I could mitigate this problem by careful feeding of the work piece, I wanted a better solution. What I came up with was to use a right angle Magswitch ()?and permanently attach it to the fence. These are handy devices and worth the cost. ? ? ?Since I had overcome my hesitancy about drilling holes into the RIp fence I took the time to add some Bow feather boards as well. Haven¡¯t used it, but this has been a desired upgrade for a while.
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Just wanted to share these hacks and hope someone else would find it useful.
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Best regards, Tim
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Re: ripsaw fence hack for addressing deflection and more!
Tim,
Thanks for sharing the hack. I just wanted to add that if you have a mag base for an indicator, that works just as well. I also use it as a reference surface (bump stop) and as a stop for routing.
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On Jun 30, 2024, at 2:44?PM, Tim Perez via groups.io <t.w.perez@...> wrote: ?Greetings group, I wanted to share a useful hack of my tablesaw a rip fence. I have a CF 741 and was using the high-speed router spindle. ?While ?routing some sliding dovetails I noticed?variations in the results due to deflection of the rip fence. Although I could mitigate this problem by careful feeding of the work piece, I wanted a better solution. What I came up with was to use a right angle Magswitch ()?and permanently attach it to the fence. These are handy devices and worth the cost. ? ? ?Since I had overcome my hesitancy about drilling holes into the RIp fence I took the time to add some Bow feather boards as well. Haven¡¯t used it, but this has been a desired upgrade for a while.
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Just wanted to share these hacks and hope someone else would find it useful.
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Best regards, Tim
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ripsaw fence hack for addressing deflection and more!
Greetings group, I wanted to share a useful hack of my tablesaw a rip fence. I have a CF 741 and was using the high-speed router spindle. ?While ?routing some sliding dovetails I noticed?variations in the results due to deflection of the rip fence. Although I could mitigate this problem by careful feeding of the work piece, I wanted a better solution. What I came up with was to use a right angle Magswitch ()?and permanently attach it to the fence. These are handy devices and worth the cost. ? ? ?Since I had overcome my hesitancy about drilling holes into the RIp fence I took the time to add some Bow feather boards as well. Haven¡¯t used it, but this has been a desired upgrade for a while.
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Just wanted to share these hacks and hope someone else would find it useful.
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Re: Bandsaw blades - final lesson?
I¡¯m certainly no expert but I¡¯ve been to a seminar where I witnessed a brand new blade that cut perfectly, then the fellow bent one tooth just a very little bit and it caused tracking problems and cut problems. He straightened that tooth and the blade cut like new again, so the problem can be very simple, but hard to spot.
Bill Belanger?
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On Jun 30, 2024, at 07:37, Michael Branning via groups.io <mtbranning@...> wrote:
? I doubt we will ever know this. They sent the replacement blade and there wasn¡¯t any mention of an RMA or return requirement. I will ask.?
The lesson I was trying to emphasize - if you are having tracking problems after installing a new blade, there is a chance it¡¯s not your saw and don¡¯t hesitate to try a different blade.?
The only thing I can theorize is the blade ends may not have been perfectly perpendicular when welded and the leading edge had less tension than the rear. Or all the teeth were somehow dull on the inner edge, but that seems less likely.
I was too slow to investigate this ¡°bad news blade¡± possibility and lost a lot of time. Now I¡¯m under the gun.
Michael On Jun 29, 2024, at 10:31?PM, Tom Trees via groups.io <tomgwoodworks@...> wrote:
?I wonder how many dud blades got sent out, or if that was a one off kinda thing, as seemingly there wasn't a
strikingly evident issue there,
so perhaps this might be mentioned in the coming weeks or months if the former.
I suppose there would be way too many other variables at play to come to such a conclusion really...
and we won't hear of any issues with things like that.
I'd certainly hope not, and doubt it, not at the cost of those evidently excellent blades,
such instances would be mentioned before,
especially since most often the only ones who post resawing results, are those using carbide,
so this surely would have cropped up on a few bandsaw threads before.
Not that I have searched, as I'm too skint for such toolery.
All the best
Tom
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Re: Bandsaw blades - final lesson?
I doubt we will ever know this. They sent the replacement blade and there wasn¡¯t any mention of an RMA or return requirement. I will ask.?
The lesson I was trying to emphasize - if you are having tracking problems after installing a new blade, there is a chance it¡¯s not your saw and don¡¯t hesitate to try a different blade.?
The only thing I can theorize is the blade ends may not have been perfectly perpendicular when welded and the leading edge had less tension than the rear. Or all the teeth were somehow dull on the inner edge, but that seems less likely.
I was too slow to investigate this ¡°bad news blade¡± possibility and lost a lot of time. Now I¡¯m under the gun.
Michael
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On Jun 29, 2024, at 10:31?PM, Tom Trees via groups.io <tomgwoodworks@...> wrote:
?I wonder how many dud blades got sent out, or if that was a one off kinda thing, as seemingly there wasn't a
strikingly evident issue there,
so perhaps this might be mentioned in the coming weeks or months if the former.
I suppose there would be way too many other variables at play to come to such a conclusion really...
and we won't hear of any issues with things like that.
I'd certainly hope not, and doubt it, not at the cost of those evidently excellent blades,
such instances would be mentioned before,
especially since most often the only ones who post resawing results, are those using carbide,
so this surely would have cropped up on a few bandsaw threads before.
Not that I have searched, as I'm too skint for such toolery.
All the best
Tom
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Re: Bandsaw blades - lesson learned
On the lower cost side I have heard a lot of good things about wood slicer blades. I really need to order and check one out.
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On Jun 29, 2024, at 10:31?PM, Tom Trees via groups.io <tomgwoodworks@...> wrote:
?I wonder how many dud blades got sent out, or if that was a one off kinda thing, as seemingly there wasn't a
strikingly evident issue there,
so perhaps this might be mentioned in the coming weeks or months if the former.
I suppose there would be way too many other variables at play to come to such a conclusion really...
and we won't hear of any issues with things like that.
I'd certainly hope not, and doubt it, not at the cost of those evidently excellent blades,
such instances would be mentioned before,
especially since most often the only ones who post resawing results, are those using carbide,
so this surely would have cropped up on a few bandsaw threads before.
Not that I have searched, as I'm too skint for such toolery.
All the best
Tom
Re: Bandsaw blades - lesson learned
I wonder how many dud blades got sent out, or if that was a one off kinda thing, as seemingly there wasn't a
strikingly evident issue there,
so perhaps this might be mentioned in the coming weeks or months if the former.
I suppose there would be way too many other variables at play to come to such a conclusion really...
and we won't hear of any issues with things like that.
I'd certainly hope not, and doubt it, not at the cost of those evidently excellent blades,
such instances would be mentioned before,
especially since most often the only ones who post resawing results, are those using carbide,
so this surely would have cropped up on a few bandsaw threads before.
Not that I have searched, as I'm too skint for such toolery.
All the best
Tom
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Re: Bandsaw blades - lesson learned
On Sat, Jun 29, 2024 at 05:53 PM, imranindiana wrote:
Is?Laguna LT16SEC 2.5HP 12¡± Resaw (made by Meber) from 2001 a modern saw?
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Only you can answer that, and whether it would be taken up as philosophical question about longevity, and the unknown... or indeed a concerned one, is up to you. If the latter, then the only way to say that a non adjustable wheel could be, would mean demonstrating everything lines up. well...at least on your saw anyway.   That particular Meber p400...  From what it looks to me, I'd consider it an outdated design like what was on the old Centauro NL, what became the CO...  Or the old ACM BS 540, (this one being from 1983!) Both updated with a hub for the lower wheel shaft after those models.  Perhaps "modern" might be the wrong word here... Should someone point out a more suitable word, then that should be used, as in my mind I'm finding that a tad difficult, to call it premium or similar, when Centauro, Meber and Sagittario were making some fully adjustable models in the past.    I could post a more modern version of the likes, but seems they've switched over to making non fully adjustable machines aswell! Go figure?.. as they say. All the best Tom
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Re: Bandsaw blades - lesson learned
My reaction to my SCM (made in Italy) saw was the same as Imran¡¯s reaction to his Laguna. I had no idea a bandsaw could cut like that.
I have a 1¡± Resaw King on the saw. I have a 3/8¡± steel blade, but I suspect I may never use it.
Maybe I would be even more impressed with ¡°old iron¡±, but I have absolutely no interest in rebuilding some old machine.
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K700S and A941
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Re: Bandsaw blades - lesson learned
Tom, all three of these blades were carbide tipped and the exact same make and model. This bandsaw has always cut well in the past. The 2nd blade was a lemon as best I can tell.?
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On Jun 29, 2024, at 8:24?PM, Tom Trees via groups.io <tomgwoodworks@...> wrote:
?I wouldn't expect any blade to perform well on most any modern bandsaw design, and it will never cease to amaze me how most folks expect any different. That's my opinion, from someone who's worked on an old and abused machine. <SAM_7609.JPG> <SAM_6861.JPG> <SAM_6860.JPG> <The right shim.jpg> I could mention alignment of the motor is not something which can be ignored, that is... if accurately aligning the lower wheel to the upper wheel. <SAM_4548.JPG> So you can understand my cynical thoughts on the matter, not to say your new blade wasn't a lemon, just anything to do with setup, that being down to the particular saw IMO, and should the Italian's have kept up making fully adjustable bandsaws, then everyone would be in agreement on most things by now. i.e there would be nothing really to speculate on (bar perhaps tire condition) in this case, and you might not have bothered fighting with the saw in order to get it to cut. Just saying, as it seems everyone who mentions a troublesome modern saw, ultimately ends up either going with carbide blades, or indeed upgrading to ol'irn. Just my thoughts All the best Tom
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Re: Bandsaw blades - lesson learned
Is?Laguna LT16SEC 2.5HP 12¡± Resaw (made by Meber) from 2001 a modern saw?
This was the first cut after installing resaw king. It is a 2x8 SPF scrap but I was so impressed (probable easy to be impressed as I had never resaw before) that I kept it in my office.
Raking light to show the blade marks
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On Jun 29, 2024, at 8:24?PM, Tom Trees via groups.io <tomgwoodworks@...> wrote: ?I wouldn't expect any blade to perform well on most any modern bandsaw design, and it will never cease to amaze me how most folks expect any different. That's my opinion, from someone who's worked on an old and abused machine. <SAM_7609.JPG> <SAM_6861.JPG> <SAM_6860.JPG> <The right shim.jpg> I could mention alignment of the motor is not something which can be ignored, that is... if accurately aligning the lower wheel to the upper wheel. <SAM_4548.JPG> So you can understand my cynical thoughts on the matter, not to say your new blade wasn't a lemon, just anything to do with setup, that being down to the particular saw IMO, and should the Italian's have kept up making fully adjustable bandsaws, then everyone would be in agreement on most things by now. i.e there would be nothing really to speculate on (bar perhaps tire condition) in this case, and you might not have bothered fighting with the saw in order to get it to cut. Just saying, as it seems everyone who mentions a troublesome modern saw, ultimately ends up either going with carbide blades, or indeed upgrading to ol'irn. Just my thoughts All the best Tom
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Re: Bandsaw blades - lesson learned
I wouldn't expect any blade to perform well on most any modern bandsaw design, and it will never cease to amaze me how most folks expect any different. That's my opinion, from someone who's worked on an old and abused machine.     I could mention alignment of the motor is not something which can be ignored, that is... if accurately aligning the lower wheel to the upper wheel.  So you can understand my cynical thoughts on the matter, not to say your new blade wasn't a lemon, just anything to do with setup, that being down to the particular saw IMO, and should the Italian's have kept up making fully adjustable bandsaws, then everyone would be in agreement on most things by now. i.e there would be nothing really to speculate on (bar perhaps tire condition) in this case, and you might not have bothered fighting with the saw in order to get it to cut. Just saying, as it seems everyone who mentions a troublesome modern saw, ultimately ends up either going with carbide blades, or indeed upgrading to ol'irn. Just my thoughts All the best Tom
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Well done Alex. Yes alway start at the input when suspecting power issue unless something obvious says otherwise.
If you have the time, please share a pic of the burnt plastic. Did you find any dust when you opened it? If the contacts were not allowed to mash by the dust, it can create a resistive connection which can get hot.
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On Jun 29, 2024, at 3:11?PM, Bespoke Woodworking via groups.io <info@...> wrote: ?Solved.
Popped the switch out , burnt plastic.
Connected directly and off the saw goes.
If I was a little more electrically inclined, I guess I would know you should always start and the wall and work your way in??
Thanks for the help Imran.
Alex
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Alex,
Download an app called Camscanner....it FREE! You can shoot (with your phone camera) a document?and send it as a highly readable PDF file that can be magnified almost with no limit! Kind regards,Brian D. Milidrag
On Sat, Jun 29, 2024 at 2:34?PM Bespoke Woodworking via <info= [email protected]> wrote: I guess the forum software compresses the image? I think I can wrap my head around tracing the AC to where its open... I will give it a shot. Thanks Imran. 
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Solved.
Popped the switch out , burnt plastic.
Connected directly and off the saw goes.
If I was a little more electrically inclined, I guess I would know you should always start and the wall and work your way in??
Thanks for the help Imran.
Alex
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So on the plug side of the main power switch I get 220v as I should, but on the other side of the switch when it is 'on' I get 14v? I honestly don't know if I have cycled that switch 6x in the last 4 years..... 
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I guess the forum software compresses the image? I think I can wrap my head around tracing the AC to where its open... I will give it a shot. Thanks Imran. 
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Bandsaw blades - lesson learned
This wasn¡¯t on a felder bandsaw but the lesson is applicable.
I¡¯ve had a Jet 5HP 20¡± bandsaw for 7 years and purchased a 1 1/4¡± Laguna Resaw King blade for it about 6 years ago. I¡¯ve done a lot of rough wood ripping with it and only a little resawing but it has worked great. I¡¯ve started a project to build fourty spiral stair treads for a building on my property. These will be about 45¡± long and tapering from 14¡± to 11¡±. Every one has been templated as they vary slightly in size. They need to be 2 1/4 to 2 1/2¡± thick.
I decided to laminate 2 pieces of composite floor underlayment (AdvanTech) and then wrap it in resawn bookmatched white oak on top/bottom with solid leading and trailing edgees. (The ends are hidden by the steel.) So I have to do a lot of resawing. I bought a new blade, same size and model, and sent off the old one for resharpening. I spent about 8 hours in total working to get the new blade to cut straight. What a frustrating experience! It would veer to the outside immediately and even make a bowed cut. Feels like I have watched now every video on youtube about bandsaws and tried every variation of tracking, tension, fences, etc. with no improvements. On the positive side, I learned how to tune up the saw very well.
Finally I reached out to Laguna and after a few weeks they agreed to replace the blade. I just put the new one on, set up the bearings and the cut is so flat it¡¯s like I ran it through the jointer.
So - it may not be your saw¡ it could be your blade!
Regards,
Michael
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