Ok I can weigh in here. I just built a new shop, roughly the same size as yours, and I had to include an office in it. Originally i was thinking the same as you. I know my real passion is in the shop not in my office. So I wanted the office to be as small as possible to ensure i gave as much floor space as i could to the shop. And that is good logic. But this is what I'll say. The difference between an office that is 8x10 or an office that is 10x10 will have a huge impact on the functionality?of your office. That could be enough space to allow you to include a book shelf, or a more comfortable desk, or a nicer chair, or whatever. But those 2 feet will have almost no impact on the functionality?of the shop.?
Now I wouldnt take that too far. Don't make your office 20x20. But a few extra feet in the office might entirely change how that space feels and functions, where as it will likely have minimal impact on the shop. So give yourself some good elbow room there and dont?try and squeeze ever inch out of it that you can.
-Brian
On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:10?AM Larry < larry@...> wrote: Hello,
I know if 10 people answer, I'll get 20 answers to my below question with probably a fair number saying it depends. But, I'll ask anyway.
I am adding 1200 sq. ft. onto my existing 1750 sq. ft. shop and want to incorporate in a small, enclosed one-man office (something I don't have right now). All I'll likely have in it is a small desk, filing cabinet, project board, and a place for my network rack that is out of the shop environment. I don't want to undersize it but don't want to take up a more floor space than necessary. That all said, for those of you that have a dedicated shop office, how big is it and thoughts you might have on whether you should have gone bigger, smaller, etc. Thanks.
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Re: Power Feed F348 electrical install
I installed an electrical outlet in the chassis of my KF700. Mounted inside the chassis the outlet sits flush with the outer surface of the chassis. Let me know if you would like a picture.
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On Feb 5, 2024, at 11:51?AM, pierre.bourassa via groups.io <pierre.bourassa@...> wrote: ?I finally received the tilting device for my power feeder last week. I had to grind a bit of the metal to allow one of the sides to fit into rail on the machine (I am surprised how poorly milled one of the side was, but at least I could fix it myself and avoid having to wait another 8 weeks to get it from Felder).
Si I just installed the F348 on my CF741S machine last weekend. All I need to do now is to plug it into the power. The motor plate says 230V and 3.5-3.7 A. My CF741 is connected using a wire I ran in a conduit under my workshop concrete floor that is connected to a 240V 30A circuit. The F348 only adds a few amps to the load and I wonder if it can be connected to the same circuit. Otherwise, I will need to run a new 240V circuit and it is going to be a mess since all my walls are covered with 1/2 in plywood, or maybe run it in the ceiling and drop it down to the feeder to avoid having a cable on the floor in the middle of shop. What do you think?
How do you guys connect your power feeders?
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Re: Veneering: Substrate & Supplier
The lower doors have a full sheet of MDO on outside and inside faces. Upper doors use a single sheet outside and inside face. I had to reskin left side lower door in 2016 because of neglect. In place since 2003, so almost 21 yrs. ? 
? Imran Malik ? ?
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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Dan Gavrilyuk Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2024 10:33 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Veneering: Substrate & Supplier ? Last purchased mdo plywood in 2021 from my supplier in the northeast (Atlantic plywood), so I can¡¯t speak for current quality as well ?I haven¡¯t purchased MDO since 2017, so the quality may have gone down. I do know that the stuff at the big box stores is not quality ply. ?When I did buy it, it was always through a yard that catered to the pro cab builders. ?Combo-core is great but is easily dented and edge-damaged, so it requires careful handling in pay experience.? ? David Best - via mobile phone?
On Feb 4, 2024, at 7:07?PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
? In my experience with it, I¡¯ve seen some grain telegraph with MDO in paint grade work. It¡¯s best to go with something like combi core or the like which has 1/8¡± layers of mdf on the surface of each side.? ?Mac, I don¡¯t think that¡¯s a phenolic surface, I think it¡¯s Kraft paper. If so, the product is called, medium density overlay plywood, which is terrific for paint grade cabinetry. ?It¡¯s flat and smooth with no voids in the surface of veneers under the Kraft paper. ? <MDO-GOOD-1-SIDE-cclc-1024x768.jpg> | |
? ? David Best - via mobile phone?
On Feb 4, 2024, at 8:44?AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
?What is this stuff , I think som kind of sign stuff very flat salvaged a bunch. Appears 7 or 8 ply for .75 phenolic face ? ? ? Designing and building for 50 years
On Feb 2, 2024, at 5:46?PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? I usually glue on 1/4" strips and then fit from there. Around 1/8 is ideal for not telegraphing.? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Power Feed F348 electrical install
Hook up to machine power they draw squat. ?recently set up a feeder to my Gomad shaper. Used machine power. I have a light start stop button so I can run by itself, but if I have to hit stop for shaper the power feeder stops.? When I start over the cycle starts over another words feeder kills with shaper and doesn¡¯t re start until I start the feeder. Mac,,
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Feb 5, 2024, at 10:51?AM, pierre.bourassa via groups.io <pierre.bourassa@...> wrote:
?I finally received the tilting device for my power feeder last week. I had to grind a bit of the metal to allow one of the sides to fit into rail on the machine (I am surprised how poorly milled one of the side was, but at least I could fix it myself and avoid having to wait another 8 weeks to get it from Felder).
Si I just installed the F348 on my CF741S machine last weekend. All I need to do now is to plug it into the power. The motor plate says 230V and 3.5-3.7 A. My CF741 is connected using a wire I ran in a conduit under my workshop concrete floor that is connected to a 240V 30A circuit. The F348 only adds a few amps to the load and I wonder if it can be connected to the same circuit. Otherwise, I will need to run a new 240V circuit and it is going to be a mess since all my walls are covered with 1/2 in plywood, or maybe run it in the ceiling and drop it down to the feeder to avoid having a cable on the floor in the middle of shop. What do you think?
How do you guys connect your power feeders?
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Re: Power Feed F348 electrical install
Mine is wired into the same feed as the saw.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Feb 5, 2024, at 9:51?AM, pierre.bourassa via groups.io <pierre.bourassa@...> wrote:
I finally received the tilting device for my power feeder last week. I had to grind a bit of the metal to allow one of the sides to fit into rail on the machine (I am surprised how poorly milled one of the side was, but at least I could fix it myself and avoid having to wait another 8 weeks to get it from Felder).
Si I just installed the F348 on my CF741S machine last weekend. All I need to do now is to plug it into the power. The motor plate says 230V and 3.5-3.7 A. My CF741 is connected using a wire I ran in a conduit under my workshop concrete floor that is connected to a 240V 30A circuit. The F348 only adds a few amps to the load and I wonder if it can be connected to the same circuit. Otherwise, I will need to run a new 240V circuit and it is going to be a mess since all my walls are covered with 1/2 in plywood, or maybe run it in the ceiling and drop it down to the feeder to avoid having a cable on the floor in the middle of shop. What do you think?
How do you guys connect your power feeders?
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I spent 40 years in offices about 10¡¯ x 10¡¯. That provides room for a desk, file cabinet, layout table, bookshelves, and space for a visitor to sit. Used to keep a drafting table with parallel rule also.
Whatever size you choose you¡¯ll eventually fill it up.
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Boise ID
K700S and A941
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Power Feed F348 electrical install
I finally received the tilting device for my power feeder last week. I had to grind a bit of the metal to allow one of the sides to fit into rail on the machine (I am surprised how poorly milled one of the side was, but at least I could fix it myself and avoid having to wait another 8 weeks to get it from Felder).
Si I just installed the F348 on my CF741S machine last weekend. All I need to do now is to plug it into the power. The motor plate says 230V and 3.5-3.7 A. My CF741 is connected using a wire I ran in a conduit under my workshop concrete floor that is connected to a 240V 30A circuit. The F348 only adds a few amps to the load and I wonder if it can be connected to the same circuit. Otherwise, I will need to run a new 240V circuit and it is going to be a mess since all my walls are covered with 1/2 in plywood, or maybe run it in the ceiling and drop it down to the feeder to avoid having a cable on the floor in the middle of shop. What do you think?
How do you guys connect your power feeders?
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My office will be a little bigger at 18x18' but it will be separated from the rest of the building by a tight door so dust will stay out, which means I can use it as a finishing room (I don't spray...just hand applied finishes) which keeps a damp surface safe while I continue to make sawdust in the rest of the shop.
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My shop is basically a cube: 10¡¯ x 11¡¯ w/10¡¯ ceiling. It also serves as the primary
entrance for my shop (left side of pic) the ¡®corridor¡¯ down the left side makes the tiny space feel a little roomier. It¡¯s very functional And comfortable, has served me well for 15 years so far¡
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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
Mac,
LOL
Thanks my friend!? I don't know any sheep farmers :) Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066
On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:18?AM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Hi Scott,? Grass is always greener on the other said of the fence . Bird would know she is a local sheep farmer . ?
Designing and building for 50 years ? Hi all,
I agree with Mr. Bird.? I am waiting for a K 700S that I ordered in Nov?of 23 and should arrive in about 8 weeks. I just saw a Kappa X-Roll with DROs, 126" slider,??looks like loaded with programing control for $15.5K located in Florida. Even after shipping across the country I would have saved several thousands. - Yes, seriously look at used machines but the devil IS "in the details.?
Good luck.? ou asked a great question Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066 On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 11:09?AM Bird Cupps < birdc@...> wrote: I would second Bob¡¯s advice about considering a used saw. I don¡¯t want to offend anyone but what I¡¯ve seen is that there are quite a few hobbyist woodworkers who buy after retirement and then 10 - 20 years down the road find they aren¡¯t spending as much time in the shop and sell lightly used, beloved and well-cared for equipment.
That said, I did not follow my own advice and bought new : )?
Bird On Feb 1, 2024, at 10:41 AM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
Why not go with a used saw? I stepped up from an Oliver 270 to an older k700s and after a couple of years with it I now know if I bought a new saw what I'd really value. Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday.? I¡¯ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S.? I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring.? I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking.? I currently have a saw stop.? I¡¯ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S.? I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ? I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.? Thank you in advance.?
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12 x 12 would be my suggestion.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Feb 5, 2024, at 9:10?AM, Larry <larry@...> wrote:
Hello,
I know if 10 people answer, I'll get 20 answers to my below question with probably a fair number saying it depends. But, I'll ask anyway.
I am adding 1200 sq. ft. onto my existing 1750 sq. ft. shop and want to incorporate in a small, enclosed one-man office (something I don't have right now). All I'll likely have in it is a small desk, filing cabinet, project board, and a place for my network rack that is out of the shop environment. I don't want to undersize it but don't want to take up a more floor space than necessary. That all said, for those of you that have a dedicated shop office, how big is it and thoughts you might have on whether you should have gone bigger, smaller, etc. Thanks.
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Re: Interesting Feeder for Smaller Saws and Router Table
Thanks James for the refresher. So the seal saturates instead of drying up ?
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On Feb 5, 2024, at 11:27?AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote: ? Yes, it happened?to my F48 after leaving it upside down for 5 years.?
Here below is the response from Felder Mississauga. Now I put the power feeder upright when not in use. It is ONE MORE PAIN of KF combo for me cause I need to put it upside down if the cut width is more than 12 inches.
James Guys, I have been lucky with no leaks on vario4 when it was upside down on tilt bracket for many yrs. However, some have reported leaks here (IIRC, F48) due to the seal drying up during storage. ?Rod, no leaks.? I think its grease lube.
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Re: CMT Orange 8" Locked Dado Pro Blade Set
John,
It is about 193 USD from? in the UK. Not sure about?the shipping cost to the US though.
James
On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:22?AM John WI < jnadank@...> wrote: It was for sale in Norway but they ship to the US. ?$375 for the 30mm bore set shipped to the US.? They only have 1 set in stock. ? ? John,
Where do you see the 30mm arbor version in the USA??
30mm arbor version is sold in Europe.?
James
On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:31?AM john adank < lseap107@...> wrote: Where was the 30mm arbor size ordered from? I¡¯m seeing $309US for the 30mm arbor size set but I¡¯ve only looked at one web site. John Adank ? At $120, the new CMT dado stack is unbeatable. I do not know why anyone wants to buy the dado Stack from any other company.
Btw, the review from Taylor Tools is very good. I have to say the product review from Taylor Tools is trustworthy based on ,my experience.
James
On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 9:55?AM john adank < lseap107@...> wrote: Infinity Tools has a somewhat similar design with their stacked dado set.? You can get an entire 3/4¡± stacked dado set on your arbor.? Unfortunately, no 30mm sized arbor and you would still have to drill pin holes and it¡¯s $329.90 and out of stock.? It has 2 full 1/4¡± chippers. I have the new CMT set which I set up on my Sawstop.? The 3/8¡± deep rabbit cuts I made were flat and little to no tear out but I had quite a bit of burning in the solid maple.? Mya e the burning was from my feed rate and the fact that¡¯s it¡¯s maple. Not sure if Infinity Tools could drill out a 30mm arbor hole and pins or not. I would definitely like to get one of these two dado stacks for the Felder. John Adank
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