I just pulled the trigger, machine is expected to be manufactured in March and hopefully in the US by end of may
I am getting the following configuration:
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3 x 230V 7.5HP (5.5kW) motor for main blade
Industrial motor driven scoring blade
Dado prepped
126" X-roll sliding table with remote start/stop on end of slider
49" rip capacity with fine adjustment.
1500 outrigger
102" crosscut fence with flip stop
Overhead saw guard.
DRO on rip fence
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For the accessories I went with:
Transport and mounting unit
Side hand lever
Digial readout for blade height
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I checked how much it will be to add a DRO on the rip fence (to use as a stop) and Felder charge ~$900
I saw some people retrofit the original one and added the Fima DRO, someone tried it?
Is it worth or?
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Re: Felder Bf6-31 compact. Motor brake gone pop
Hi Alex,
Thanks for the details. I hope the cap replacement fixes your issue. Hopefully you have replacement for both of them. If not look for one with a popped end. If no visual evidence, I would replace CA first as that is the start capacitor. It should be the larger in value, assuming they are not same. If they are same value, you will need to beep their connections relative to the wiring diagram to find out which is CA and CB. Would be nice if they are labeled. Good luck.
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On Jan 30, 2024, at 12:10?PM, alex moore <alexmoore4@...> wrote: ?
Thanks Imran, it¡¯s difficult to describe the symptoms as initially there was a grunting straining ?sound that seemed like a braking hum and it tripped the rcd. I turned it on again, the saw started, then the stop switch failed to operate instantly,
then when it did the motor stopped quite violently but the braking didn¡¯t switch itself off, it tripped the rcd. Now none of the motors run, I just get a laboured hum. I¡¯ll get the capacitor replaced and see what happens. Many thanks
Alex
On 30 Jan 2024, at 15:13, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?
Alex,
Sure, from your original post, I thought you were having braking issue, i.e. RCD trip at turn off during braking. But if the motors don¡¯t run then replacing caps should help. Once motors are running and the RCD trips during braking we can look into it.
On Jan 30, 2024, at 10:02?AM, alex moore <alexmoore4@...> wrote:
?
Hi Imran,?
I have another couple of diagrams which maybe could help. I didn¡¯t send them as didn¡¯t want to complicate. ?The machine was manufactured in 1999. The motors do not run, just lots of hum before the rcd trips. I¡¯m just going to fit the new capacitor
. Cheers?
Alex
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On 30 Jan 2024, at 14:51, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?
Hi Alex,
Correct, this schematic is for 2KW but for one w/o brake function. If the motors are starting up and running normally then capacitors are good.
My schematic has a date (bottom left) 15.09.1994. I cannot read the date on your schematic but I assume it is older because your machine does not show the low voltage transformer. So all switches are 220VAC vs ~24VAC in newer machines including the schematic
I have dated 1994.
If you machine has/had braking function then the schematic is not correct. I was fine for capacitors purpose. You should request a sch for your machine with brake function.
On Jan 30, 2024, at 9:24?AM, alex moore <alexmoore4@...> wrote:
?
?
Hi Imran,?
I¡¯ve managed to find the big book, but it¡¯s only a spare parts book. However a capacitor replacement a while back (just one replaced) instigated a request for the wiring diagram from felder for this 2kw machine : ?I will replace the other capacitor
which I have to see if that rectifies the problem when I get time and see where we go from there.?
Thanks?
Alex
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On 28 Jan 2024, at 14:46, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? No Worries Alex. Is your machine ~5KW? If so, I see Y-D start which adds more relays; K4 is one of them. There is no K4 in the first schematic I shared which was for a 2KW machine.
Do you have the big book of your machine? The schematics and other important info is in there. Here are couple of shots to show you what is in the book that I have.
<image1.jpeg>
<image2.jpeg>
If you do not have the machine book with wiring diagram info as shown above, I suggest you contact Felder and get a copy. They may be able to guide you as well as to the location of the relays.
The pics you shared are not very sharp. Appears there is at least one more relay by the selector switch. Still it would be difficult to guide you because I do not know where these are located and for that matter if my schematic matches your machine in
the first place.
Once you have the wiring diagram and you poke around a bit more to try to locate components, I can try to help.
Imran Malik
On Jan 28, 2024, at 4:48?AM, alex moore <alexmoore4@...> wrote:
? Hi Imran,?
Sorry for the late response, just found your message in my junk ! Thanks for the wiring diagram , most useful as I seem to have misplaced mine. Looking on the circuit board, I could only find K1 and K4 and the other connecting block visible from the top
where the capacitors feed into. There is nothing on the circuit board where the K2 and K3 markings are. Do you know if the circuit board is serviceable or do I replace the whole unit ??
Thanks?
Alex
On 23 Jan 2024, at 23:50, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Alex,
Yes, a wiring diagram. Sharing what I have but you should have a copy of yours. Now a days, it is placed in a pouch on the inside face of the electrical cabinet cover but not sure what they did back then.
<image0.jpeg>
<image1.jpeg>
On Jan 23, 2024, at 5:59?PM, alexmoore4@... wrote:
?Hello Imran,
thanks for your kind response. ?I¡¯ll have a look for those components you mention tomorrow. I¡¯m not an electrician, although my brother is and if I can make it easier for him, all the better. I¡¯m guessing a schematic is a wiring diagram ?
Many thanks?
Alex
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Re: Felder Bf6-31 compact. Motor brake gone pop
Thanks Imran, it¡¯s difficult to describe the symptoms as initially there was a grunting straining ?sound that seemed like a braking hum and it tripped the rcd. I turned it on again, the saw started, then the stop switch failed to operate instantly,
then when it did the motor stopped quite violently but the braking didn¡¯t switch itself off, it tripped the rcd. Now none of the motors run, I just get a laboured hum. I¡¯ll get the capacitor replaced and see what happens. Many thanks
Alex
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On 30 Jan 2024, at 15:13, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?
Alex,
Sure, from your original post, I thought you were having braking issue, i.e. RCD trip at turn off during braking. But if the motors don¡¯t run then replacing caps should help. Once motors are running and the RCD trips during braking we can look into it.
On Jan 30, 2024, at 10:02?AM, alex moore <alexmoore4@...> wrote:
?
Hi Imran,?
I have another couple of diagrams which maybe could help. I didn¡¯t send them as didn¡¯t want to complicate. ?The machine was manufactured in 1999. The motors do not run, just lots of hum before the rcd trips. I¡¯m just going to fit the new capacitor
. Cheers?
Alex
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<image1.jpeg>
On 30 Jan 2024, at 14:51, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?
Hi Alex,
Correct, this schematic is for 2KW but for one w/o brake function. If the motors are starting up and running normally then capacitors are good.
My schematic has a date (bottom left) 15.09.1994. I cannot read the date on your schematic but I assume it is older because your machine does not show the low voltage transformer. So all switches are 220VAC vs ~24VAC in newer machines including the schematic
I have dated 1994.
If you machine has/had braking function then the schematic is not correct. I was fine for capacitors purpose. You should request a sch for your machine with brake function.
On Jan 30, 2024, at 9:24?AM, alex moore <alexmoore4@...> wrote:
?
?
Hi Imran,?
I¡¯ve managed to find the big book, but it¡¯s only a spare parts book. However a capacitor replacement a while back (just one replaced) instigated a request for the wiring diagram from felder for this 2kw machine : ?I will replace the other capacitor
which I have to see if that rectifies the problem when I get time and see where we go from there.?
Thanks?
Alex
<image1.jpeg>
On 28 Jan 2024, at 14:46, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? No Worries Alex. Is your machine ~5KW? If so, I see Y-D start which adds more relays; K4 is one of them. There is no K4 in the first schematic I shared which was for a 2KW machine.
Do you have the big book of your machine? The schematics and other important info is in there. Here are couple of shots to show you what is in the book that I have.
<image1.jpeg>
<image2.jpeg>
If you do not have the machine book with wiring diagram info as shown above, I suggest you contact Felder and get a copy. They may be able to guide you as well as to the location of the relays.
The pics you shared are not very sharp. Appears there is at least one more relay by the selector switch. Still it would be difficult to guide you because I do not know where these are located and for that matter if my schematic matches your machine in
the first place.
Once you have the wiring diagram and you poke around a bit more to try to locate components, I can try to help.
Imran Malik
On Jan 28, 2024, at 4:48?AM, alex moore <alexmoore4@...> wrote:
? Hi Imran,?
Sorry for the late response, just found your message in my junk ! Thanks for the wiring diagram , most useful as I seem to have misplaced mine. Looking on the circuit board, I could only find K1 and K4 and the other connecting block visible from the top
where the capacitors feed into. There is nothing on the circuit board where the K2 and K3 markings are. Do you know if the circuit board is serviceable or do I replace the whole unit ??
Thanks?
Alex
On 23 Jan 2024, at 23:50, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Alex,
Yes, a wiring diagram. Sharing what I have but you should have a copy of yours. Now a days, it is placed in a pouch on the inside face of the electrical cabinet cover but not sure what they did back then.
<image0.jpeg>
<image1.jpeg>
On Jan 23, 2024, at 5:59?PM, alexmoore4@... wrote:
?Hello Imran,
thanks for your kind response. ?I¡¯ll have a look for those components you mention tomorrow. I¡¯m not an electrician, although my brother is and if I can make it easier for him, all the better. I¡¯m guessing a schematic is a wiring diagram ?
Many thanks?
Alex
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Re: Felder Bf6-31 compact. Motor brake gone pop
Alex,
Sure, from your original post, I thought you were having braking issue, i.e. RCD trip at turn off during braking. But if the motors don¡¯t run then replacing caps should help. Once motors are running and the RCD trips during braking we can look into it.
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On Jan 30, 2024, at 10:02?AM, alex moore <alexmoore4@...> wrote: ?
Hi Imran,?
I have another couple of diagrams which maybe could help. I didn¡¯t send them as didn¡¯t want to complicate. ?The machine was manufactured in 1999. The motors do not run, just lots of hum before the rcd trips. I¡¯m just going to fit the new capacitor
. Cheers?
Alex
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On 30 Jan 2024, at 14:51, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?
Hi Alex,
Correct, this schematic is for 2KW but for one w/o brake function. If the motors are starting up and running normally then capacitors are good.
My schematic has a date (bottom left) 15.09.1994. I cannot read the date on your schematic but I assume it is older because your machine does not show the low voltage transformer. So all switches are 220VAC vs ~24VAC in newer machines including the schematic
I have dated 1994.
If you machine has/had braking function then the schematic is not correct. I was fine for capacitors purpose. You should request a sch for your machine with brake function.
On Jan 30, 2024, at 9:24?AM, alex moore <alexmoore4@...> wrote:
?
?
Hi Imran,?
I¡¯ve managed to find the big book, but it¡¯s only a spare parts book. However a capacitor replacement a while back (just one replaced) instigated a request for the wiring diagram from felder for this 2kw machine : ?I will replace the other capacitor
which I have to see if that rectifies the problem when I get time and see where we go from there.?
Thanks?
Alex
<image1.jpeg>
On 28 Jan 2024, at 14:46, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? No Worries Alex. Is your machine ~5KW? If so, I see Y-D start which adds more relays; K4 is one of them. There is no K4 in the first schematic I shared which was for a 2KW machine.
Do you have the big book of your machine? The schematics and other important info is in there. Here are couple of shots to show you what is in the book that I have.
<image1.jpeg>
<image2.jpeg>
If you do not have the machine book with wiring diagram info as shown above, I suggest you contact Felder and get a copy. They may be able to guide you as well as to the location of the relays.
The pics you shared are not very sharp. Appears there is at least one more relay by the selector switch. Still it would be difficult to guide you because I do not know where these are located and for that matter if my schematic matches your machine in
the first place.
Once you have the wiring diagram and you poke around a bit more to try to locate components, I can try to help.
Imran Malik
On Jan 28, 2024, at 4:48?AM, alex moore <alexmoore4@...> wrote:
? Hi Imran,?
Sorry for the late response, just found your message in my junk ! Thanks for the wiring diagram , most useful as I seem to have misplaced mine. Looking on the circuit board, I could only find K1 and K4 and the other connecting block visible from the top
where the capacitors feed into. There is nothing on the circuit board where the K2 and K3 markings are. Do you know if the circuit board is serviceable or do I replace the whole unit ??
Thanks?
Alex
On 23 Jan 2024, at 23:50, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Alex,
Yes, a wiring diagram. Sharing what I have but you should have a copy of yours. Now a days, it is placed in a pouch on the inside face of the electrical cabinet cover but not sure what they did back then.
<image0.jpeg>
<image1.jpeg>
On Jan 23, 2024, at 5:59?PM, alexmoore4@... wrote:
?Hello Imran,
thanks for your kind response. ?I¡¯ll have a look for those components you mention tomorrow. I¡¯m not an electrician, although my brother is and if I can make it easier for him, all the better. I¡¯m guessing a schematic is a wiring diagram ?
Many thanks?
Alex
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Re: Felder Bf6-31 compact. Motor brake gone pop
Hi Imran,?
I have another couple of diagrams which maybe could help. I didn¡¯t send them as didn¡¯t want to complicate. ?The machine was manufactured in 1999. The motors do not run, just lots of hum before the rcd trips. I¡¯m just going to fit the new capacitor
. Cheers?
Alex
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On 30 Jan 2024, at 14:51, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?
Hi Alex,
Correct, this schematic is for 2KW but for one w/o brake function. If the motors are starting up and running normally then capacitors are good.
My schematic has a date (bottom left) 15.09.1994. I cannot read the date on your schematic but I assume it is older because your machine does not show the low voltage transformer. So all switches are 220VAC vs ~24VAC in newer machines including the schematic
I have dated 1994.
If you machine has/had braking function then the schematic is not correct. I was fine for capacitors purpose. You should request a sch for your machine with brake function.
On Jan 30, 2024, at 9:24?AM, alex moore <alexmoore4@...> wrote:
?
?
Hi Imran,?
I¡¯ve managed to find the big book, but it¡¯s only a spare parts book. However a capacitor replacement a while back (just one replaced) instigated a request for the wiring diagram from felder for this 2kw machine : ?I will replace the other capacitor
which I have to see if that rectifies the problem when I get time and see where we go from there.?
Thanks?
Alex
<image1.jpeg>
On 28 Jan 2024, at 14:46, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? No Worries Alex. Is your machine ~5KW? If so, I see Y-D start which adds more relays; K4 is one of them. There is no K4 in the first schematic I shared which was for a 2KW machine.
Do you have the big book of your machine? The schematics and other important info is in there. Here are couple of shots to show you what is in the book that I have.
<image1.jpeg>
<image2.jpeg>
If you do not have the machine book with wiring diagram info as shown above, I suggest you contact Felder and get a copy. They may be able to guide you as well as to the location of the relays.
The pics you shared are not very sharp. Appears there is at least one more relay by the selector switch. Still it would be difficult to guide you because I do not know where these are located and for that matter if my schematic matches your machine in
the first place.
Once you have the wiring diagram and you poke around a bit more to try to locate components, I can try to help.
Imran Malik
On Jan 28, 2024, at 4:48?AM, alex moore <alexmoore4@...> wrote:
? Hi Imran,?
Sorry for the late response, just found your message in my junk ! Thanks for the wiring diagram , most useful as I seem to have misplaced mine. Looking on the circuit board, I could only find K1 and K4 and the other connecting block visible from the top
where the capacitors feed into. There is nothing on the circuit board where the K2 and K3 markings are. Do you know if the circuit board is serviceable or do I replace the whole unit ??
Thanks?
Alex
On 23 Jan 2024, at 23:50, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Alex,
Yes, a wiring diagram. Sharing what I have but you should have a copy of yours. Now a days, it is placed in a pouch on the inside face of the electrical cabinet cover but not sure what they did back then.
<image0.jpeg>
<image1.jpeg>
On Jan 23, 2024, at 5:59?PM, alexmoore4@... wrote:
?Hello Imran,
thanks for your kind response. ?I¡¯ll have a look for those components you mention tomorrow. I¡¯m not an electrician, although my brother is and if I can make it easier for him, all the better. I¡¯m guessing a schematic is a wiring diagram ?
Many thanks?
Alex
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Re: Blade Guard for K3 Winner
Interesting - thanks Rod!?
I have a use (2012) KS700S.?I¡¯m considering adding the Felder guard (expensive long lead time but seems substantial), the?Harvey shark S-12S guard, or perhaps this is third option.?
This looks like the Sawstop setup that came with my other table saw. The hood is much nicer than what came with my sawstop, which has no wheels. I will check and maybe I can get just the hood to upgrade the sawstop guard.?
Rewards, Michael Branning Cross Anchor SC
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On Jan 30, 2024, at 9:02?AM, rodsheridan <riderofgallifrey@...> wrote:
?I added an overarm guard to my B3, which would be the same as your K3. I still use the stock guard when I use the power feeder. Regards, Rod.
<Hammer Saw Aftermarket Guard.docx>
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Re: Felder Bf6-31 compact. Motor brake gone pop
Hi Alex,
Correct, this schematic is for 2KW but for one w/o brake function. If the motors are starting up and running normally then capacitors are good.
My schematic has a date (bottom left) 15.09.1994. I cannot read the date on your schematic but I assume it is older because your machine does not show the low voltage transformer. So all switches are 220VAC vs ~24VAC in newer machines including the schematic I have dated 1994.
If you machine has/had braking function then the schematic is not correct. I was fine for capacitors purpose. You should request a sch for your machine with brake function.
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On Jan 30, 2024, at 9:24?AM, alex moore <alexmoore4@...> wrote: ?
?
Hi Imran,?
I¡¯ve managed to find the big book, but it¡¯s only a spare parts book. However a capacitor replacement a while back (just one replaced) instigated a request for the wiring diagram from felder for this 2kw machine : ?I will replace the other capacitor
which I have to see if that rectifies the problem when I get time and see where we go from there.?
Thanks?
Alex
<image1.jpeg>
On 28 Jan 2024, at 14:46, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? No Worries Alex. Is your machine ~5KW? If so, I see Y-D start which adds more relays; K4 is one of them. There is no K4 in the first schematic I shared which was for a 2KW machine.
Do you have the big book of your machine? The schematics and other important info is in there. Here are couple of shots to show you what is in the book that I have.
<image1.jpeg>
<image2.jpeg>
If you do not have the machine book with wiring diagram info as shown above, I suggest you contact Felder and get a copy. They may be able to guide you as well as to the location of the relays.
The pics you shared are not very sharp. Appears there is at least one more relay by the selector switch. Still it would be difficult to guide you because I do not know where these are located and for that matter if my schematic matches your machine in
the first place.
Once you have the wiring diagram and you poke around a bit more to try to locate components, I can try to help.
Imran Malik
On Jan 28, 2024, at 4:48?AM, alex moore <alexmoore4@...> wrote:
? Hi Imran,?
Sorry for the late response, just found your message in my junk ! Thanks for the wiring diagram , most useful as I seem to have misplaced mine. Looking on the circuit board, I could only find K1 and K4 and the other connecting block visible from the top
where the capacitors feed into. There is nothing on the circuit board where the K2 and K3 markings are. Do you know if the circuit board is serviceable or do I replace the whole unit ??
Thanks?
Alex
On 23 Jan 2024, at 23:50, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Alex,
Yes, a wiring diagram. Sharing what I have but you should have a copy of yours. Now a days, it is placed in a pouch on the inside face of the electrical cabinet cover but not sure what they did back then.
<image0.jpeg>
<image1.jpeg>
On Jan 23, 2024, at 5:59?PM, alexmoore4@... wrote:
?Hello Imran,
thanks for your kind response. ?I¡¯ll have a look for those components you mention tomorrow. I¡¯m not an electrician, although my brother is and if I can make it easier for him, all the better. I¡¯m guessing a schematic is a wiring diagram ?
Many thanks?
Alex
|
Re: Felder Bf6-31 compact. Motor brake gone pop
?
Hi Imran,?
I¡¯ve managed to find the big book, but it¡¯s only a spare parts book. However a capacitor replacement a while back (just one replaced) instigated a request for the wiring diagram from felder for this 2kw machine : ?I will replace the other capacitor
which I have to see if that rectifies the problem when I get time and see where we go from there.?
Thanks?
Alex
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On 28 Jan 2024, at 14:46, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? No Worries Alex. Is your machine ~5KW? If so, I see Y-D start which adds more relays; K4 is one of them. There is no K4 in the first schematic I shared which was for a 2KW machine.
Do you have the big book of your machine? The schematics and other important info is in there. Here are couple of shots to show you what is in the book that I have.
<image1.jpeg>
<image2.jpeg>
If you do not have the machine book with wiring diagram info as shown above, I suggest you contact Felder and get a copy. They may be able to guide you as well as to the location of the relays.
The pics you shared are not very sharp. Appears there is at least one more relay by the selector switch. Still it would be difficult to guide you because I do not know where these are located and for that matter if my schematic matches your machine in
the first place.
Once you have the wiring diagram and you poke around a bit more to try to locate components, I can try to help.
Imran Malik
On Jan 28, 2024, at 4:48?AM, alex moore <alexmoore4@...> wrote:
? Hi Imran,?
Sorry for the late response, just found your message in my junk ! Thanks for the wiring diagram , most useful as I seem to have misplaced mine. Looking on the circuit board, I could only find K1 and K4 and the other connecting block visible from the top
where the capacitors feed into. There is nothing on the circuit board where the K2 and K3 markings are. Do you know if the circuit board is serviceable or do I replace the whole unit ??
Thanks?
Alex
On 23 Jan 2024, at 23:50, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Alex,
Yes, a wiring diagram. Sharing what I have but you should have a copy of yours. Now a days, it is placed in a pouch on the inside face of the electrical cabinet cover but not sure what they did back then.
<image0.jpeg>
<image1.jpeg>
On Jan 23, 2024, at 5:59?PM, alexmoore4@... wrote:
?Hello Imran,
thanks for your kind response. ?I¡¯ll have a look for those components you mention tomorrow. I¡¯m not an electrician, although my brother is and if I can make it easier for him, all the better. I¡¯m guessing a schematic is a wiring diagram ?
Many thanks?
Alex
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Re: Blade Guard for K3 Winner
I added an overarm guard to my B3, which would be the same as your K3.
I still use the stock guard when I use the power feeder.
Regards, Rod.
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Re: Switching between imperial and metric
Hello Bird, it doesn't matter whether the cutter is Metric or Imperial as you adjust the width of the cutter by adding shims to your desired dimension.
I use metric in the shop both for designing and fabrication.
Canada went metric when I was in high school in the 70's, I switched to metric for woodworking in the 80's.
Most of the tooling in the world is metric, in fact a couple of my shaper cutters are actually metric cutters with 1.25" bore. (I have a 30mm and 1.25" spindle for my shaper).
For me, a 30mm spindle allows me to share tooling with the saw.
For Americans, your national calibration lab uses metric, as there haven't been Imperial standards in the USA since the 19th century.
Regards, Rod.
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Re: #forsale Profil 45 Z X-Motion (2022 model)
#forsale
Oops!? ?I see the photos didn't come through, I'll try re-posting the photos here:? ?Wide shot of machine:? ?  Wide shot with Aigner guard in place:?  Wide shot with power feeder in place:?  Wide shot with tenoning configuration and Mac's Clamps:?  Aigner INTEGRAL fences:?   X-Motion touchscreen:?   Cast iron top condition (note the extra factory bored/tapped holes for Aigner BowMould 220mm curved moulding hood):  Outrigger and cart:?  External spindle locking and release lever:?  Machine info plate:?  Owner's Manual:?  Motor and spindle:?  I'm happy to take more/different photos upon request, and can FaceTime the machine in operation for interested parties.? I'm bummed to see the machine go, but I need a different setup with my Shop reconfiguration, and would rather sell while it's still in "like new" condition.? -- Tom Gensmer Heritage Home Renewals, LLC Minneapolis, MN
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Re: #forsale Profil 45 Z X-Motion (2022 model)
#forsale
Not just you, Jonathan. They did not come thru in email or on the web.
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On Jan 30, 2024, at 2:06?AM, Jonathan Martens <jonathan@...> wrote: ?Is it just me or did your images not come through with the message?
Kind regards,
Jonathan
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Re: #forsale Profil 45 Z X-Motion (2022 model)
#forsale
Is it just me or did your images not come through with the message?
Kind regards,
Jonathan
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Re: Sheet good recommendations
Hi Murray:
?
¡°Lucky, have you considered doing a Wood Review article? Also, what plywood supplier did you use? I¡¯ve been struggling with good quality plywood ever since Sharp Plywood went belly
up.¡±
?
I¡¯m not sure what you mean by the reference to the Wood Review. Do you mean on the library? I wonder if Linda would be interested ¨C maybe I should ask? The new articles coming out in the next issue are on
using a sliding table saw to make sliding dovetail joints for a small side table, another piece on how to purchase volume timber or packs instead of just a few boards, and a small review of Fiddes hardwax oil which appears to be pretty good stuff IMO.
?
I don¡¯t know what to do for plywood these days. Sorry. I¡¯ve just had to use solid wood for furniture backs, either as tongue and groove arrangements, or else frame and floating panels. Pretty deplorable state
of affairs.
?
Do you have any plywood leads? Sooner or later I¡¯ll need veneered board again.
?
?
This has been a really interesting post, ?have a similar project coming up so thanks to all who have contributed so far.
Lucky, have you considered doing a Wood Review article? Also, what plywood supplier did you use? I¡¯ve been struggling with good quality plywood ever since Sharp Plywood went belly up.
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Re: Sheet good recommendations
This has been a really interesting post, ?have a similar project coming up so thanks to all who have contributed so far.
Lucky, have you considered doing a Wood Review article? Also, what plywood supplier did you use? I¡¯ve been struggling with good quality plywood ever since Sharp Plywood went belly up.
Thanks.
Murray
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Re: Sheet good recommendations
Andy,
You are absolutely correct that one of the major deficiencies of Fusion for routine cabinet work is a lack of fenestration hardware libraries. ?Jeez, they have just recently issue a library of screw/bolt/nut fasteners for mechanical assemblies. ?Don¡¯t expect Fusion to go after the KCD or Mosaik market - it¡¯s just not in their blood. ?I think Fusion is a decent 3D platform for ad-hoc work, but if I were grinding out kitchens on a daily basis, it would be challenging. ?
You are left with the challenge of creating your own hardware library from CAD models you download from the various vendors like Blum, Grass, Accuride, etc. ?The models are out on the web as STEP files, but they are not functional (if that even matters to you), and you have to know where to look, download them manually, and manage the hardware catalog on your own. ?McMaster has a lot of stuff like this too, but you have to call them to find out exactly who the manufacturer is and the specific model numbers, and of course they can change the supplier without notice. ?I maintain one project file in Fusion that has all the commonly used hardware items like drawer slides, butterfly hinges, and even pocket screw cavities and Festool dominos, but it¡¯s a pain to manage. ?Seems like every time a bath vanity comes up, I don¡¯t have the right size slide in my library. ?So the project file builds and builds one item at a time based on use.
As for your question about using parameters to drive different hardware choices etc., it is possible, but it gets really complicated putting that kind of logic in the parameter file. ?Instead, Fusion just introduced a ¡°Configurations¡± capability that provides some of the features you¡¯d want to accomplish this. ?It¡¯s essentially a radio-button and fill-in-the-box type of front end that lets you vary the presence/absence of components, and feature creation elements (extrude, pattern, etc). ?But it¡¯s only available in the paid license version. ?I¡¯ve used it and it¡¯s a terrific addition with a lot of applicability to the woodworking world, but again, it¡¯s no KCD or Cabinet Vision.
There is one add-on that you might want to explore. ?It¡¯s a licensed extension called CS Furniture Tools: ?
I have played with it, but it¡¯s only supported on Windows 64bit systems, which means for me to access it I have to run Fusion under Parallels on the Mac which I detest doing. ?If you are on a Windows platform it might go a long way toward your needs. ?Check it out.
Hope this helps.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
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https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Jan 29, 2024, at 1:02?PM, Andy <andy.raynor08@...> wrote:?
David - you are a wealth of information, thank you for sharing.?
I¡¯ve recently decided to add a cnc machine to the shop. I have a passing knowledge of fusion in that I can make a parametric model and etc.
One of the more daunting aspects of using Fusion as my go to software for design is that I cannot seem to find a reliable library for joinery and hardware for cabinet construction. ?Mozaik, KCD and others have Blum/Salice/Lamello/Festool built right into their models.
If I¡¯m just modeling a piece of furniture, then those aspects aren¡¯t as important, to me anyway. ?But if I¡¯m batching out a kitchen or closet then I want the cnc to place pilot holes, hinge cup holes and etc, as well as cut to dimension. ?I can¡¯t figure out an extension or library that actually contains hardware and joinery. ?I saw your video on how to incorporate Blum drawer slides into Fusion, perhaps I just have to suck it up and download all of the various CAD files (if they exist)
Do you know if there is a way, within Fusion 360 to change (parametrically) the hardware based on stock thickness or stock width? ?For instance, within Mozaik if I size a cabinet up, Mozaik will scribe a hardware line for my Lamello every 300mm. ?And if the stock thickness changes, so does the relevant Blum slide¡..
Ultimately I¡¯d like to ditch Mozaik and rely on Fusion to design and produce G code for the cnc, with Fusion having a parametric model of each cabinet type (base, tall, wall etc) with the ability to change hardware and joinery options as a parameter. ?If there is indeed a way to do this, I¡¯d happy signup and pay for a class (of classes) on how to.
Andy
Hi Tim,
My YouTube channel has a section and playlist devoted to Fusion 360 and its use in woodworking applications.? You can find it listed here:
Most of the tutorials I have created thus far are more advanced and illustrate the use of components in building an assembly and using joints to create functional drawer slides, etc. ?
I am working on a new tutorial series the is geared more to the woodworker using Fusion to design cabinets and bookshelves.? For this I will be using parameter-driven design workflows. ?
All but the most simple Fusion models I develop are driven by parameters so that changes can be easily made.? When the parameters include a bunch of logic and math, I prefer to manage the parameters external to Fusion and bring them into the model with an extension called ¡°Parameter I/O¡± available from the Fusion add-on web site.? To manage a complex set of parameter I use a spreadsheet that can output the required CSV file for import into Fusion.
For cabinets and bookshelves I have developed a spreadsheet template where I fill out various aspects of the cabinet design.? This version will handle a cabinet with up to six drawers or doors, and up to 5 divider shelves between the doors/drawers.? Here is a screenshot of the basic cabinet box specification which can be enter in imperial or metric - the yellow boxes are where the specifications are entered:
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The next section of the spreadsheet specifies the layout of the drawer/shelves with the heights specified as ratios between the drawer/door heights and the spreadsheet does the calculations to fit in the cabinet box as previously specified:
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And finally there is a section where the drawer/door and shelf aspects are specified including target reveals, setbacks, drawer slides, drawer box construction details are specified:
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The spreadsheet includes extensive help and input validation and a set of buttons to generate a sample cabinet, and output the parameters for input into Fusion: <ShotiMac_2004.jpeg>
As an example, here is the parameter file generated by the above set of cabinet specifications:
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And here are some examples of how the Fusion 360 model is altered by different parameters.? This is the sample cabinet:
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Below are two cabinets that would be typical of a kitchen base cabinet, one being a bank of 4 drawers, the other having one drawer and a door below:
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And a simple bookcase with equally spaced shelves:
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Anyway that¡¯s where I¡¯m headed with this.? Let me know if you have questions or would like to dialog about this in a DM.
Hello to all,
Very interesting thread indeed. I am also in the early planning stages of a similar cabinet project(s). I'm also considering what materials are available here in Ohio.
David I am also using F360 for the the design stage. I am trying to establish a typical left and right side parametric model to use use with all the various cabinets I plan to build. Your drawings are very interesting and I will try to study them closely...the parameters in particular. If you have these listed on any of your website project files please let me know. I would to like to compare where i am going with mine.
I will try to post my progress as I can.
Thanks to all!
Tim Pond
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Re: Sheet good recommendations
Looking good Imran!
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This was my first WW project, almost 30 yrs ago. 3/4¡± ply, 38¡± wide shelf, with 1¡± deep solid wood edging. No sag.
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On Jan 29, 2024, at 10:55?AM, Jim Fleming <jameshfleming@...> wrote:
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With regard to Lucky's concerns about shelf length, I suggest looking for the online "Sagulator" program to avoid saggy shelves.? It has options for material types and dimensions, fastening and construction
choices etc.? It has worked for me, including full loads of books.
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Re: Sheet good recommendations
David - you are a wealth of information, thank you for sharing.?
I¡¯ve recently decided to add a cnc machine to the shop. I have a passing knowledge of fusion in that I can make a parametric model and etc.
One of the more daunting aspects of using Fusion as my go to software for design is that I cannot seem to find a reliable library for joinery and hardware for cabinet construction. ?Mozaik, KCD and others have Blum/Salice/Lamello/Festool built right into their models.
If I¡¯m just modeling a piece of furniture, then those aspects aren¡¯t as important, to me anyway. ?But if I¡¯m batching out a kitchen or closet then I want the cnc to place pilot holes, hinge cup holes and etc, as well as cut to dimension. ?I can¡¯t figure out an extension or library that actually contains hardware and joinery. ?I saw your video on how to incorporate Blum drawer slides into Fusion, perhaps I just have to suck it up and download all of the various CAD files (if they exist)
Do you know if there is a way, within Fusion 360 to change (parametrically) the hardware based on stock thickness or stock width? ?For instance, within Mozaik if I size a cabinet up, Mozaik will scribe a hardware line for my Lamello every 300mm. ?And if the stock thickness changes, so does the relevant Blum slide¡..
Ultimately I¡¯d like to ditch Mozaik and rely on Fusion to design and produce G code for the cnc, with Fusion having a parametric model of each cabinet type (base, tall, wall etc) with the ability to change hardware and joinery options as a parameter. ?If there is indeed a way to do this, I¡¯d happy signup and pay for a class (of classes) on how to.
Andy
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Hi Tim,
My YouTube channel has a section and playlist devoted to Fusion 360 and its use in woodworking applications.? You can find it listed here:
Most of the tutorials I have created thus far are more advanced and illustrate the use of components in building an assembly and using joints to create functional drawer slides, etc. ?
I am working on a new tutorial series the is geared more to the woodworker using Fusion to design cabinets and bookshelves.? For this I will be using parameter-driven design workflows. ?
All but the most simple Fusion models I develop are driven by parameters so that changes can be easily made.? When the parameters include a bunch of logic and math, I prefer to manage the parameters external to Fusion and bring them into the model with an extension called ¡°Parameter I/O¡± available from the Fusion add-on web site.? To manage a complex set of parameter I use a spreadsheet that can output the required CSV file for import into Fusion.
For cabinets and bookshelves I have developed a spreadsheet template where I fill out various aspects of the cabinet design.? This version will handle a cabinet with up to six drawers or doors, and up to 5 divider shelves between the doors/drawers.? Here is a screenshot of the basic cabinet box specification which can be enter in imperial or metric - the yellow boxes are where the specifications are entered:
The next section of the spreadsheet specifies the layout of the drawer/shelves with the heights specified as ratios between the drawer/door heights and the spreadsheet does the calculations to fit in the cabinet box as previously specified:
And finally there is a section where the drawer/door and shelf aspects are specified including target reveals, setbacks, drawer slides, drawer box construction details are specified:
The spreadsheet includes extensive help and input validation and a set of buttons to generate a sample cabinet, and output the parameters for input into Fusion:
As an example, here is the parameter file generated by the above set of cabinet specifications:
And here are some examples of how the Fusion 360 model is altered by different parameters.? This is the sample cabinet:
Below are two cabinets that would be typical of a kitchen base cabinet, one being a bank of 4 drawers, the other having one drawer and a door below:
And a simple bookcase with equally spaced shelves:
Anyway that¡¯s where I¡¯m headed with this.? Let me know if you have questions or would like to dialog about this in a DM.
Hello to all,
Very interesting thread indeed. I am also in the early planning stages of a similar cabinet project(s). I'm also considering what materials are available here in Ohio.
David I am also using F360 for the the design stage. I am trying to establish a typical left and right side parametric model to use use with all the various cabinets I plan to build. Your drawings are very interesting and I will try to study them closely...the parameters in particular. If you have these listed on any of your website project files please let me know. I would to like to compare where i am going with mine.
I will try to post my progress as I can.
Thanks to all!
Tim Pond
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#forsale Profil 45 Z X-Motion (2022 model)
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Greetings Group,? ?Due to a Shop re-organization, I find myself in the position of needing to sell my gently used Profil 45 Z to accommodate the new layout. Please find the relevant information below:?
Felder Profil 45 Z X-Motion shaper
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¡ª 2022 build
¡ª 7.3kW 10hp motor
¡ª X-Motion touch screen control
¡ª 1-1/4¡± spindle with 140mm under the nut
¡ª Spindle speeds of 3500/4500/600/8000/10,000 rpm?
¡ª Shaper hood with 250mm tooling capacity
¡ª Quick clamping of the shaper hood
¡ª Euro curved shaper hood
¡ª 2050mm length X-Roll sliding table
¡ª 1300mm Outrigger
¡ª 2600mm crosscut fence with flip stop and extension?
¡ª Outrigger cart
¡ª External spindle lock?
¡ª Aigner ¡°INTEGRAL¡± shaper fences 500mm?
¡ª Factory preparation for tenoning hood for cutter heads up to 350mm diameter with speed control at 4500rpm. Also, the cast iron top is Factory borer/tapped to accept the Aigner BowMould 220mm curved moulding hood.?
¡ª ?Table extension mounting bars
¡ª Swing-away power feed mount
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In addition to the Felder machine, it would also include:?
¡ª 2x AirTight clamps (with color-coordinated handles!)
¡ª Co-Matic DS-400 Smart Stand power feeder with digital display and urethane wheels
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¡ª Machine was delivered December 2022
¡ª Selling due to needing a different machine to fit in new shop configuration
¡ª Includes owner¡¯s manual and all original paperwork
¡ª Includes extra drive belt (unused, bought ¡°just in case¡±)
¡ª Includes Felder shipping clips
¡ª I can built a pallet if needed
¡ª I can load onto a pallet if needed
¡ª I¡¯d prefer to sell locally, though I¡¯m happy to entertain shipping the machine for the right arrangment
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I have a video showing no run-out on the spindle, I can upload to YouTube.?
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All-In, the above package would cost $37,304.00, not including freight or taxes, add those in and the total would be closer to $40k+.?
If you're interested in the machine please reach out to me via e-mail and we can discuss pricing, logistics, etc... I'm happy to demonstrate the functions of the machine via FaceTime if you're interested.? ?Thanks for looking,? -- Tom Gensmer Heritage Home Renewals, LLC Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Switching between imperial and metric
?Is there a best language?
Jonathan, ?
Yes, there are two:
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In the mean time, I like using bushels and pecks and prefer drinking Imperial Pints of John Smith Bitters to a 12oz can of Miller Lite.
I think you need?. ?
LOL
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
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https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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