Re: Running K940 with only scoring blade
Thanks for the response David. I¡¯ve attached a picture of the piece.?The k940 I believe has a separate motors but just an on and off switch for the scoring blade so the only way to run the scoring blade only is to have the both motors running. Just trying to confirm running the main arbor with no blade while I run the scoring blade won¡¯t do any damage. May be a dumb question but figured I¡¯d double check!
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Re: Running K940 with only scoring blade
Hi JP:
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I¡¯m not following you. ¡°Curved pieces¡± through a slider is a bit puzzling but I can imagine some kind of ¡°U¡± shaped lamination sitting in a cradle and going through the blade. But what do you mean by ¡°90¡ã
curve¡±?
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My Kappa 400 has two different motors for main and scoring. I would have assumed the 900 series machine also has separate motors. Do you have two ¡°on¡± switches, one for each blade?
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I¡¯m surprised that you don¡¯t have blades small enough to retract under the table (315mm or smaller in diameter). That would drive me crazy. I use 200, 250, 300 and 315mm blades, and only go to my 350mm and
400mm blades when absolutely necessary. But maybe you¡¯re running thick stock through your machine all the time!
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Dr David Luckensmeyer
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I have a question¡ªmaybe a bit basic, but I'm currently running a couple of curved pieces through my k940s, and I'm facing issues with the veneer tearing out. I¡¯ve tried using multiple layers of good tape still
was getting tear out. So, I'm considering removing the main blade from the saw and using only the scoring blade to achieve a clean cut on the veneer and avoid tear-out. Then reinstalling it after and running it through again with the fence set at the same
distance.?
I attempted using both blades, but with a 90¡ã curve, it doesn't work well. I want to confirm that running the main blade motor without a saw blade while using only the scoring blade won't cause any damage.
Unfortunately, I don't have blades small enough to fully retract under the table at their lowest point.
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Running K940 with only scoring blade
Hi guys,
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I have a question¡ªmaybe a bit basic, but I'm currently running a couple of curved pieces through my k940s, and I'm facing issues with the veneer tearing out. I¡¯ve tried using multiple layers of good tape still was getting tear out. So, I'm considering removing the main blade from the saw and using only the scoring blade to achieve a clean cut on the veneer and avoid tear-out. Then reinstalling it after and running it through again with the fence set at the same distance.?
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I attempted using both blades, but with a 90¡ã curve, it doesn't work well. I want to confirm that running the main blade motor without a saw blade while using only the scoring blade won't cause any damage. Unfortunately, I don't have blades small enough to fully retract under the table at their lowest point.
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Thanks!
JP
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U.S. General too expensive. What?!?!?
-Aaron
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On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 09:09 AM, joelgelman wrote:
I purchased a Conquest with Baldor motor 3 phase (see attached). ?I like having it ready to go at all times and used it as recently as an hour ago. ?If I could upgrade it would be to add a VFD as I would prefer to use it at a much slower speed to have better control over wood removal. ?If anyone has a link to what would be the ideal product for my motor, that would be great.
I found that ATO is a middle-of-the-road price point and works well.? It is Chinese, but built to a higher quality and the adjustment knob on the front actually works (not like the cheap chinese VFDs on Amazon).?? I like being able to dial in the target speed fast with the adjustment instead of having to hit buttons up/down many times to get to my chosen speed. 220V single-phase input ($183): If you want 220V 3-phase input, the cost is actually higher ($293 for 220V input): -Aaron
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Thanks Mike. Shopsmith and other vintage sanders are nice but not for me at this time. There may be a time in future depending upon how much I use it.
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On Jan 14, 2024, at 4:12 PM, Mike Blake via groups.io <me.blake@...> wrote: ?Imran,
Yes, an accessory usually included. ?Either aluminum or steel disc. They use 12¡± self adhesive discs. ?The table tilts and goes up and down. ?If you want pictures, pm me¡
Mike
M.E. Blake General Contractors?
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I would be installing an automatic dust extraction control system, walking around a big shop opening and closing blast gates gets really old really fast.
Grit Systems is simply the best available and gives amazing control and can even lock out operators from specific machines if needed.? ? ?
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As others have said, you end up staying with favorite grit combos unless you have a machine that is easy to compensate the relative head position.? My SCM has one 30 hp motor so you can't run the heads independently although you can adjust one or the other
to take it out of play.? The single motor still uses about 90 three phase amps so it was necessary for me as I only have 200 single phase amps available.? For most applications, a single head works pretty well.? A good planer and setting the shaper up carefully
really minimizes the need for the second head although there are times when it is nice to have.? In a perfect world, a two head would have a large diameter steel drum on the first head with a 20 hp motor, the second head would have a smaller rubber head with
a wide platen and a 10-15 hp motor.? Either head could be easily adjusted out of the way so either could be run separately.? None of those capabilities come cheap and a single head only needs you know how much you need to adjust the DRO to compensate for grit
changes.?
A nice condition used Kundig is pretty much pick of the litter in the WB world as well.
Dave
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Hello Dave,
A double head WB sounds nice, but I was not aware of the need to adjust each head with grit changes. This is good to know.?
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John?
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Imran,
Yes, an accessory usually included. ?Either aluminum or steel disc. They use 12¡± self adhesive discs. ?The table tilts and goes up and down. ?If you want pictures, pm me¡
Mike
M.E. Blake General Contractors?
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I run with 80/120/150 and never deviate from those grits so adjusting the heads is not an issue. SCM makes some nice single/double head sanders that are in the $35k-ish range, new. There a decent used widebelts, including the one your referenced, that come up on the used market frequently.?
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Gotham Woodworks
www.gothamwoodworks.com
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Hey, Joelgeman
How do you like your Felder FW 1102? It looks like the drum is rubber rather than steel. Do you find this to be a better option??
It is good to know that setting up for different grits may not be that challenging. What dust collector are you using with your sander and is it doing a good job??
May I ask what you paid for your sander?
John?
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Re: Felder cf741s saw rise and fall not working
Well, I cleaned my spindle lift and tried resetting according to the manual, it still won't work.? I took the front cover off and have no idea where the fuse may be in that electrical configuration.? If anyone has any other ideas, please let me know otherwise I'll wait and call Felder support.
Carmen
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Hey Mac,
I was reading on hear about someone having their shaper wired up with the motor running backwards. I'm glad you pointed out how that can happen. Does Square D still make their slide rule? This sounds handy.?
I will look into Drake Elevator Products. Thank you for the suggestion.?
Are the Felder sockets you mentioned? I have been reading on electrical here and have been trying to decide on the proper plugs and sockets for the 3-phase machines. Having the ability to change pole in a plug does sound handy.?
John?
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John,
My Widebelt is the Felder FW 1102. ?It is fairly compact front to back for a 2 head machine. The enclosed picture shows how there is a guide to settings based on the grit. ?Not hard to adjust, even for me. ? I have different grits but tend to stay with 80 then 120 and now I am starting to just use the 80 in many cases After sanding things like face frames and panel doors, even when using the 120 after the 80, after the parts are dialed in to perfect thickness and are flat where the pieces come together, I have to use random orbit starting at 80 to deal with the cross grain scratches. ?Maybe there is something I could do better. ?
Anyhow, ?It is really nice having a wide belt after having a Performax 37x2 ?before that. ?For me, it was the widebelt that was the most important machine to consider when assessing electrical, phase converter size, and dust collector that was best. ?If I had a big CNC maybe that would be the machine that determined those things.
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Hello Kerry,
A wide belt makes sense for this shop. I am however not convinced I have the space. I need to keep moving things around in my plan to see if I can make it fit.?
I think I would be looking for a single head WB after Dave's comment on adjusting heads after grit changes. Do you find this troublesome with a 3 head?
Are there any brands/models of wide belts you recommend?
John?
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Hey Joe,
That is a good idea to keep your plugs and sockets the same so you can move machines around as necessary. I will have conduit on the walls for 120V, I wonder if 3/4" EMT would work for those circuits. Most of my 3-phase I believe will be run on top of the lower cord of the trusses as they will drop to my machines that are not near walls.?
I was going to run Prevost air lines in a similar manner around the shop. I will look into MaxAir lines, thank you for the recommendation.
John??
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Hello Dave,
A double head WB sounds nice, but I was not aware of the need to adjust each head with grit changes. This is good to know.?
John?
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In 22 i paid $ 6.69 per ft bundle of 10? hoffman /wigman are probably 5 times as much Drake are basic screw covers you also have fittings 90 45 end caps t offsets??
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Designing and building for 50 years
On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 11:42:23 AM CST, David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
I'm not sure what is meant by home runs for each machine.? As I'm about to begin construction?of my retirement shop (40x100 red iron building) conduit or raceways seems to be the best option.? Really the raceway seems to be the easiest if you can pop the cover off but the Drake Elevator option looks to be $15/foot.? Am I looking at the correct product? Thanks Dave Davies
On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 11:10?AM Joe Jensen < joe@...> wrote: I like the cable raceway option. I couldn¡¯t find something affordable.? I did do home runs for each machine. ?
? I am no Electrican so my advise is only from many years of wiring for my self. 3 phase to run power is no different than single just one more wire. But wire is directional different than one phase.switch any two and motor changes direction. sq D has a slide rule I use for reference .? Hp, amp rating , number of wires in conduit so on . Of course internet has changed this but still like my slide rule been handy for 50 plus years. There is no one way as I see it , if you have a small shop HR can work but you will fill the box with breakers pretty quick so standard outlets I usually piggyback. Machines it¡¯s different story , long runs I use sub panels to group to save $ K In my home lab I use continuous race ways and little conduit. Much cleaner set up . 4x4x3 Drake Elevator Products prices are very good , difficult co to work with they don¡¯t seem to like small co. But it¡¯s worth putting up with there bill. I never bend pipe keep All straight easy to inventory and re use !!!! 90 45 go in bins . Standardize. standardize so on Like cord grips if group of drop cords I tie with braided cord grip . Like to drop from big boxes 8x8x8 minimum? So not cramped up to 5 ?from floor. ?30 amp twist 250/125 in wood shop use iron plugs and sockets Felder is a good supplier and have pole change in the plug for motor direction, handy! Mac,,
Designing and building for 50 years ?They do already have the drum sander. If I choose to go with a belt sander I can use the drum sander in another small woodworking shop I will be setting up for them later. I have only ever hired out sanding so I have no experience with a drum or belt sander.?
John?
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Thanks, Imran.? I currently have mine set up more like DB with a run of wires feeding multiple drops to machines.? Stupidly I buried the wiring in my studs and want to not do that in my new shop Dave Davies
David,
Home run is a dedicated circuit to a machine or load. This is what I did except 110V wall outlets and lighting. The panel gets filled quickly with CB. ? I'm not sure what is meant by home runs for each machine.? As I'm about to begin construction?of my retirement shop (40x100 red iron building) conduit or raceways seems to be the best option.? Really the raceway seems to be the easiest if you can pop the cover off but the Drake Elevator option looks to be $15/foot.? Am I looking at the correct product? Thanks Dave Davies On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 11:10?AM Joe Jensen < joe@...> wrote: I like the cable raceway option. I couldn¡¯t find something affordable.? I did do home runs for each machine. ?
? I am no Electrican so my advise is only from many years of wiring for my self. 3 phase to run power is no different than single just one more wire. But wire is directional different than one phase.switch any two and motor changes direction. sq D has a slide rule I use for reference .? Hp, amp rating , number of wires in conduit so on . Of course internet has changed this but still like my slide rule been handy for 50 plus years. There is no one way as I see it , if you have a small shop HR can work but you will fill the box with breakers pretty quick so standard outlets I usually piggyback. Machines it¡¯s different story , long runs I use sub panels to group to save $ K In my home lab I use continuous race ways and little conduit. Much cleaner set up . 4x4x3 Drake Elevator Products prices are very good , difficult co to work with they don¡¯t seem to like small co. But it¡¯s worth putting up with there bill. I never bend pipe keep All straight easy to inventory and re use !!!! 90 45 go in bins . Standardize. standardize so on Like cord grips if group of drop cords I tie with braided cord grip . Like to drop from big boxes 8x8x8 minimum? So not cramped up to 5 ?from floor. ?30 amp twist 250/125 in wood shop use iron plugs and sockets Felder is a good supplier and have pole change in the plug for motor direction, handy! Mac,,
Designing and building for 50 years ?They do already have the drum sander. If I choose to go with a belt sander I can use the drum sander in another small woodworking shop I will be setting up for them later. I have only ever hired out sanding so I have no experience with a drum or belt sander.?
John?
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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David,
Home run is a dedicated circuit to a machine or load. This is what I did except 110V wall outlets and lighting. The panel gets filled quickly with CB.
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On Jan 14, 2024, at 12:42 PM, David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote: ? I'm not sure what is meant by home runs for each machine.? As I'm about to begin construction?of my retirement shop (40x100 red iron building) conduit or raceways seems to be the best option.? Really the raceway seems to be the easiest if you can pop the cover off but the Drake Elevator option looks to be $15/foot.? Am I looking at the correct product? Thanks Dave Davies On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 11:10?AM Joe Jensen < joe@...> wrote: I like the cable raceway option. I couldn¡¯t find something affordable.? I did do home runs for each machine. ?
? I am no Electrican so my advise is only from many years of wiring for my self. 3 phase to run power is no different than single just one more wire. But wire is directional different than one phase.switch any two and motor changes direction. sq D has a slide rule I use for reference .? Hp, amp rating , number of wires in conduit so on . Of course internet has changed this but still like my slide rule been handy for 50 plus years. There is no one way as I see it , if you have a small shop HR can work but you will fill the box with breakers pretty quick so standard outlets I usually piggyback. Machines it¡¯s different story , long runs I use sub panels to group to save $ K In my home lab I use continuous race ways and little conduit. Much cleaner set up . 4x4x3 Drake Elevator Products prices are very good , difficult co to work with they don¡¯t seem to like small co. But it¡¯s worth putting up with there bill. I never bend pipe keep All straight easy to inventory and re use !!!! 90 45 go in bins . Standardize. standardize so on Like cord grips if group of drop cords I tie with braided cord grip . Like to drop from big boxes 8x8x8 minimum? So not cramped up to 5 ?from floor. ?30 amp twist 250/125 in wood shop use iron plugs and sockets Felder is a good supplier and have pole change in the plug for motor direction, handy! Mac,,
Designing and building for 50 years ?They do already have the drum sander. If I choose to go with a belt sander I can use the drum sander in another small woodworking shop I will be setting up for them later. I have only ever hired out sanding so I have no experience with a drum or belt sander.?
John?
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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