I have a 6¡± tall version of that and have used it for years¡. Works just fine for me, but I¡¯m not a huge shaper user.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Jan 15, 2024, at 7:29?AM, Stan Blaszczyk <blaszcsj@...> wrote:
I was thinking about getting a regular height gauge for this but do see how the bridge base would be ideal for setting in horizontal direction.?
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I was thinking about getting a regular height gauge for this but do see how the bridge base would be ideal for setting in horizontal direction.?
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This (GRIT) looks really interesting¡ can they power on/off Felder¡¯s line of dust collectors? I have a 2008 RL160 that I would love be able to turn on remotely.
Gerry
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Hi David and Happy New Year!
Yes, I purchased the Al-Ko through Scott Slater. ?For those who do not know Scott, on the "OG" members of the board, he sells woodworking equipment including Martin, Barth, Langzauner, Al-Ko, Lamello, and I think Castle among other things. ?His knowledge of the machines is impressive. ?He is a friend I have known many years, and he is local. ?For me, not being a David Best, Brian Lamb etc when it comes to machinery troubleshooting and repair knowledge, having someone local that can come over is really of major value to me. ?
For the Felder Widebelt, that was another example of where having local support was a factor in decision making. ?Carl Knapp at Felder is also local, and I have a good relationship with him. ?I understand others have not always had good experiences with Felder support, but it is all about having the right local contact and so for me, that worked out. ?
As for Al-Ko dust collectors, Scott has the dream machine. ?His Al-Ko has a briquetter integrated with the unit so that when dust comes to the machine it is compressed into briquettes that travel though a pipe to where the pipe terminates in a Green Waste container outside. Imagine, never having to empty dust bins with the associated dust cloud, especially if it is allowed to get too full! ?The briquettes does not add much to the footprint, but the height is increased and the cost is significantly increased. ?
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I'd have to argue that opening blast gates gets old really fast. I've been doing it for 25 years and I don't even think about it. I have a remote start system to turn on the collector, but it's just a FOB. Has nothing to do with the blast gates. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Joel, just curious, did you buy your AL-KO through Slater?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
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On Jan 14, 2024, at 7:35?PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
John,
My dust collector is an Al-Ko 200 and it works fine for me.?
On the features, I only owned this particular model and so I can't offer any comparison, and I would defer to others on that. ?
I looked up when I bought mine. ?It was 2016 and so if I were to find what I paid, it would likely be less than current prices and I also believe maybe there have been changes to the Felder lineup. ?
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John,
My dust collector is an Al-Ko 200 and it works fine for me.?
On the features, I only owned this particular model and so I can't offer any comparison, and I would defer to others on that. ?
I looked up when I bought mine. ?It was 2016 and so if I were to find what I paid, it would likely be less than current prices and I also believe maybe there have been changes to the Felder lineup. ?
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Re: Running K940 with only scoring blade
Great thanks for both of your help!
JP
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Thanks Aaron. Much better put!
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On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 04:23 PM, David Luckensmeyer wrote:
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Motors like dust extractors running with all gates open, or with no filter attached, can overload and overheat. I am no expert when it comes to slider motors, but a sawblade is very light in weight and the difference
between running our saws for 20 mins with blade installed but not being used to cut anything is surely negligible compared to running our saws for 20 mins without a blade installed at all. Sure the brake would stop the arbor rotation very quickly, but that
would be it.
Dust extractor motors will pull more current when moving more air.? If you do not have a filter attached and no duct, the impeller will pull through an incredible amount of air and force the motor to use more
amps than it is rated for.
Table saw motors are different and will only pull current when under more load.? The motor will like only pull about 20-25% current if you do not have a saw blade attached.? It should be no problem.
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On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 04:23 PM, David Luckensmeyer wrote:
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Motors like dust extractors running with all gates open, or with no filter attached, can overload and overheat. I am no expert when it comes to slider motors, but a sawblade is very light in weight and the difference between running our saws for 20 mins with blade installed but not being used to cut anything is surely negligible compared to running our saws for 20 mins without a blade installed at all. Sure the brake would stop the arbor rotation very quickly, but that would be it.
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Dust extractor motors will pull more current when moving more air.? If you do not have a filter attached and no duct, the impeller will pull through an incredible amount of air and force the motor to use more amps than it is rated for. Table saw motors are different and will only pull current when under more load.? The motor will like only pull about 20-25% current if you do not have a saw blade attached.? It should be no problem. -Aaron
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Hi JP:
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Silly me. Of course, my scoring blade only runs when the main motor is running too. Same as yours. Thanks for your patience. The picture makes complete sense and I must say that is gorgeous work! Just beautiful.
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Motors like dust extractors running with all gates open, or with no filter attached, can overload and overheat. I am no expert when it comes to slider motors, but a sawblade is very light in weight and the
difference between running our saws for 20 mins with blade installed but not being used to cut anything is surely negligible compared to running our saws for 20 mins without a blade installed at all. Sure the brake would stop the arbor rotation very quickly,
but that would be it.
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I do not hesitate to leave my Kappa 400 running for a long time (say 60 mins continuously) while I move on to other machines (when I know I will come back to the slider), or when hitting a design snag and
I need to spend some time nutting through the next steps, etc. Of course I¡¯m the only one in the shop so there is little danger implied with leaving the saw running.
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I would not hesitate to turn on my saw without a blade. But I would wonder about the dado flange (if fitted) and the main flange and screw. I¡¯d want to remove these all to be safe.
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But if you¡¯re still worried, maybe time to invest in a 315mm or smaller blade?
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Thanks for the response David. I¡¯ve attached a picture of the piece.?The k940 I believe has a separate motors but just an on and off switch for the scoring blade so the only way to run the scoring blade only is to have the both motors running. Just trying
to confirm running the main arbor with no blade while I run the scoring blade won¡¯t do any damage. May be a dumb question but figured I¡¯d double check!
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Thanks for the response David. I¡¯ve attached a picture of the piece.?The k940 I believe has a separate motors but just an on and off switch for the scoring blade so the only way to run the scoring blade only is to have the both motors running. Just trying to confirm running the main arbor with no blade while I run the scoring blade won¡¯t do any damage. May be a dumb question but figured I¡¯d double check!
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I¡¯m not following you. ¡°Curved pieces¡± through a slider is a bit puzzling but I can imagine some kind of ¡°U¡± shaped lamination sitting in a cradle and going through the blade. But what do you mean by ¡°90¡ã
curve¡±?
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My Kappa 400 has two different motors for main and scoring. I would have assumed the 900 series machine also has separate motors. Do you have two ¡°on¡± switches, one for each blade?
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I¡¯m surprised that you don¡¯t have blades small enough to retract under the table (315mm or smaller in diameter). That would drive me crazy. I use 200, 250, 300 and 315mm blades, and only go to my 350mm and
400mm blades when absolutely necessary. But maybe you¡¯re running thick stock through your machine all the time!
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I have a question¡ªmaybe a bit basic, but I'm currently running a couple of curved pieces through my k940s, and I'm facing issues with the veneer tearing out. I¡¯ve tried using multiple layers of good tape still
was getting tear out. So, I'm considering removing the main blade from the saw and using only the scoring blade to achieve a clean cut on the veneer and avoid tear-out. Then reinstalling it after and running it through again with the fence set at the same
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I attempted using both blades, but with a 90¡ã curve, it doesn't work well. I want to confirm that running the main blade motor without a saw blade while using only the scoring blade won't cause any damage.
Unfortunately, I don't have blades small enough to fully retract under the table at their lowest point.
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Hi guys,
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I have a question¡ªmaybe a bit basic, but I'm currently running a couple of curved pieces through my k940s, and I'm facing issues with the veneer tearing out. I¡¯ve tried using multiple layers of good tape still was getting tear out. So, I'm considering removing the main blade from the saw and using only the scoring blade to achieve a clean cut on the veneer and avoid tear-out. Then reinstalling it after and running it through again with the fence set at the same distance.?
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I attempted using both blades, but with a 90¡ã curve, it doesn't work well. I want to confirm that running the main blade motor without a saw blade while using only the scoring blade won't cause any damage. Unfortunately, I don't have blades small enough to fully retract under the table at their lowest point.
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Thanks!
JP
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U.S. General too expensive. What?!?!?
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On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 09:09 AM, joelgelman wrote:
I purchased a Conquest with Baldor motor 3 phase (see attached). ?I like having it ready to go at all times and used it as recently as an hour ago. ?If I could upgrade it would be to add a VFD as I would prefer to use it at a much slower speed to have better control over wood removal. ?If anyone has a link to what would be the ideal product for my motor, that would be great.
I found that ATO is a middle-of-the-road price point and works well.? It is Chinese, but built to a higher quality and the adjustment knob on the front actually works (not like the cheap chinese VFDs on Amazon).?? I like being able to dial in the target speed fast with the adjustment instead of having to hit buttons up/down many times to get to my chosen speed. 220V single-phase input ($183): If you want 220V 3-phase input, the cost is actually higher ($293 for 220V input): -Aaron
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Thanks Mike. Shopsmith and other vintage sanders are nice but not for me at this time. There may be a time in future depending upon how much I use it.
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On Jan 14, 2024, at 4:12 PM, Mike Blake via groups.io <me.blake@...> wrote: ?Imran,
Yes, an accessory usually included. ?Either aluminum or steel disc. They use 12¡± self adhesive discs. ?The table tilts and goes up and down. ?If you want pictures, pm me¡
Mike
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I would be installing an automatic dust extraction control system, walking around a big shop opening and closing blast gates gets really old really fast.
Grit Systems is simply the best available and gives amazing control and can even lock out operators from specific machines if needed.? ? ?
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As others have said, you end up staying with favorite grit combos unless you have a machine that is easy to compensate the relative head position.? My SCM has one 30 hp motor so you can't run the heads independently although you can adjust one or the other
to take it out of play.? The single motor still uses about 90 three phase amps so it was necessary for me as I only have 200 single phase amps available.? For most applications, a single head works pretty well.? A good planer and setting the shaper up carefully
really minimizes the need for the second head although there are times when it is nice to have.? In a perfect world, a two head would have a large diameter steel drum on the first head with a 20 hp motor, the second head would have a smaller rubber head with
a wide platen and a 10-15 hp motor.? Either head could be easily adjusted out of the way so either could be run separately.? None of those capabilities come cheap and a single head only needs you know how much you need to adjust the DRO to compensate for grit
changes.?
A nice condition used Kundig is pretty much pick of the litter in the WB world as well.
Dave
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Hello Dave,
A double head WB sounds nice, but I was not aware of the need to adjust each head with grit changes. This is good to know.?
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Imran,
Yes, an accessory usually included. ?Either aluminum or steel disc. They use 12¡± self adhesive discs. ?The table tilts and goes up and down. ?If you want pictures, pm me¡
Mike
M.E. Blake General Contractors?
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Gerry Kmack
Jason Holtz
David P. Best
David Luckensmeyer
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