Re: The New Improved Laguna Driftmaster
Joel old with new ,,, sq socket were did you find supplier for sq? Do they have sets ? Congratsanyhay mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 3, 2024, at 12:42?PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
?Hi Mac, Yes, the snowflake made it to its new home. ?I have yet to use it. ?I put the drift master on it, but need to run it to dial in the fence. ?Got power and dust collection. ?I noted when putting on the blade that the bottom guide assembly swiveled. ?I guess it got loose during shipment. ?To tighten it, I need to screw in a square 5/16 bolt. ?My normal 5/16 wrench will not fit as the bolt is behind the guide assembly surrounded by iron where I can feel it but not see it and no room for the wrench. ?I have a 5/16 square socket on order and a couple of very short wrenches and that arrives tomorrow. Hi Patrick, I did not have the old drift master and so can't personally compare. ?Jesse has experience with both and so perhaps if you call to order one, he can give more info on that.
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Re: You get what you pay for. Cheap digital fence readout.
Really well thought out! Thank you!
Mariusz
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Re: The New Improved Laguna Driftmaster
Hi Mac,
Yes, the snowflake made it to its new home. ?I have yet to use it. ?I put the drift master on it, but need to run it to dial in the fence. ?Got power and dust collection. ?I noted when putting on the blade that the bottom guide assembly swiveled. ?I guess it got loose during shipment. ?To tighten it, I need to screw in a square 5/16 bolt. ?My normal 5/16 wrench will not fit as the bolt is behind the guide assembly surrounded by iron where I can feel it but not see it and no room for the wrench. ?I have a 5/16 square socket on order and a couple of very short wrenches and that arrives tomorrow.
Hi Patrick,
I did not have the old drift master and so can't personally compare. ?Jesse has experience with both and so perhaps if you call to order one, he can give more info on that.
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Re: The New Improved Laguna Driftmaster
Interesting. I was curious why they discontinued the production a couple years ago, and this answers that curiosity! I had a second-hand driftmaster that i used for about a year before reselling for a profit. Overall, i love the concept of the driftmaster, but in practice it wasnt?quite 'perfect'. For times where you had to remove the fence from the table, i found it to be an arduous?task. On my LT20, sometimes you need the extra couple inches that the fence occupies when cutting parts out of a board. Other than that, switching between quick adjustment and fine adjustment was clunky. I remember there was a threaded coupling that disengaged from the threaded rod, and sometimes it did so smoothly and sometimes it did not.?
What are your initial thoughts? Did you own an 'old' driftmaster? I would love to know what improvements they made.?
Patrick
Hello FOG
This is an FYI.? There is a new Laguna Driftmaster.? I got the first one from Jesse at Eagle Tools.? Enclosed is a picture of it when it was at Eagle Tools.? I am told that it is not officially released yet, but I was talking to Jesse the morning and he has a few in stock as he got an early shipment.? I figured some of you may have an interest.? I have no business interest but figured some of you would want one!
Happy New Year!
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Re: The New Improved Laguna Driftmaster
Joel Has snow flake made it to new home?
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 3, 2024, at 11:09?AM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
?Hello FOG This is an FYI. ?There is a new Laguna Driftmaster. ?I got the first one from Jesse at Eagle Tools. ?Enclosed is a picture of it when it was at Eagle Tools. ?I am told that it is not officially released yet, but I was talking to Jesse the morning and he has a few in stock as he got an early shipment. ?I figured some of you may have an interest. ?I have no business interest but figured some of you would want one! Happy New Year!
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On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 12:54 PM, G Fuqua wrote:
It appears that Meyer uses the larger 100 watt version of the concrete vibrator that Amazon sells for about $80
How can you tell which model they use? The video from Meyer () shows that he tested versions made from wood and what looks plastic (probably HDPE).? Should be easy to make one of those even without a CNC or laser.
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The New Improved Laguna Driftmaster
Hello FOG
This is an FYI. ?There is a new Laguna Driftmaster. ?I got the first one from Jesse at Eagle Tools. ?Enclosed is a picture of it when it was at Eagle Tools. ?I am told that it is not officially released yet, but I was talking to Jesse the morning and he has a few in stock as he got an early shipment. ?I figured some of you may have an interest. ?I have no business interest but figured some of you would want one!
Happy New Year!
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Meyer Woodworks sells a filter shaker designed for the Oneida V-3000.? It includes a custom-made fitting that bolts in-line at the bottom of the filter with an electric shaker.? It sells for $175.? ? ? It appears that Meyer uses the larger 100 watt version of the concrete vibrator that Amazon sells for about $80.? The adapter could be easily cut with a laser or cnc. ? Gil Fuqua Nashville ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of bombamanwa@... Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 7:45 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Clearvue shaker? ? The generic versions are available if you come up with a mounting method, and rather cheap? ? Regards
Karl
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Meyer Woodworks sells a filter shaker designed for the Oneida V-3000.? It includes a custom-made fitting that bolts in-line at the bottom of the filter with an electric shaker.? It sells for $175.? ? ? Gil Fuqua Nashville ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of bombamanwa@... Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 7:45 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Clearvue shaker? ? The generic versions are available if you come up with a mounting method, and rather cheap? ? Regards
Karl
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Re: You get what you pay for. Cheap digital fence readout.
Mariusz,
Blocks are solid aluminum and it took forever to mill out the pockets. ? The wall thickness is thinner at the bottom of the block so I could have space to tuck in all the excess wiring. ? My mag strip and steel cover are actually mounted on the rear vertical wall of the T-slot so dust and debris that collects in the slot shouldn't interfere with the read head. ?There is a 12mm wide UHMW guide block that fits in the track that acts as a guide and also a spacer to lower the read head to the right height. ? The bottom of the blocks have 5 mil UHMW strips on them so they glide smoothly and won't scratch the fence. ??
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It looks like the Clearvue mounting flange is a quality piece, Looks like that's what you are paying for from them.
The generic versions are available if you come up with a mounting method, and rather cheap?
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Regards
Karl
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Re: stuck blade, not bad switch
The brake board has an auxiliary contact that prevents the saw from running when the brake is energized, for obvious reasons.
It sounds like a defective brake board, you could disconnect the braking output of the board and jumper the auxiliary contact, if the saw runs properly after that (without braking of course) you’ve found the problem?
Regards, Rod.
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Re: You get what you pay for. Cheap digital fence readout.
Rusty,
Very nice , very clean design! I really like the fact that the sensor and cable are hidden underneath the housing. What is the housing made of? Is it aluminum? Did you incorporate some sort of low friction material underneath it, so it doesn’t drag / scratch the crosscut fence?
Than you!
Mariusz
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The generic versions are available if you come up with a mounting method, and rather cheap?
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Regards
Karl
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Re: You get what you pay for. Cheap digital fence readout.
Rust and Steve, Excellent,well done!
Love seeing the different ways we approach this DRO mount, hopefully give others inspiration.
I remember making mine and getting excited whilst working it all out.?
Once upgraded to DRO I don't think I could go back to manual.
Kindest regards
Jonathan Samways
On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 05:13 PM, Steven B wrote:
Wow, Rusty! Super nice.
How is the DRO housing attached to the flip stop?
Steve
?On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 05:13 PM, Steven B wrote:
Wow, Rusty! Super nice.
How is the DRO housing attached to the flip stop?
Steve
Steve,
I drilled and tapped the head of the large black factory bolt.? On my flip stops, that bolt will normally rotate with the flip stop so I used a bearing pressed into my new housings in an attempt to decouple mine from the OEM ones. ? I found that all of my Felder flip stops and bolts are not quite concentric and there is a little eccentric movement of the flip stop when I rotate it.? This had the effect of shifting my digital housings ever so slightly - mostly in the fore and aft direction. ? There seem to be 4 diameters on my bolts but I can't tell if they are all perfectly concentric with one another.? It's possible Felder tried to do something clever here by making the diameters slightly eccentric to preload the flip stop although I'm not sure how that would work unless it was clocked in a certain orientation. ? I also noticed that the actual flip stop plates are not a consistent thickness around their bores. ? This could be a difference in powder coat thickness, sloppy machining, or intentional as part of some clever system I can't quite understand. ? ?Regardless, I didn't like how much my digital housings shifted with flip stop rotation so I use a bearing to somewhat isolate them from the factory stops.
-Rusty
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2007 CF741 Houston Area For Sale; also Maple Workbench
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I need to sell my 2007 CF741, fob Houston. Single owner.
I also have a shop built, solid maple work bench. I built it at the Philadelphia Furniture Workshop in 2007. It is 27" by 90" and 30" tall.
Thank you for passing this along to anyone you think might be interested.
Please PM for more details and pictures.
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On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 05:13 PM, Steven B wrote:
Wow, Rusty! Super nice.
How is the DRO housing attached to the flip stop?
Steve
?On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 05:13 PM, Steven B wrote:
Wow, Rusty! Super nice.
How is the DRO housing attached to the flip stop?
Steve
Steve, I drilled and tapped the head of the large black factory bolt. ?On my flip stops, that bolt will normally rotate with the flip stop so I used a bearing pressed into my new housings in an attempt to decouple mine from the OEM ones. ? I found that all of my Felder flip stops and bolts are not quite concentric and there is a little eccentric movement of the flip stop when I rotate it. ?This had the effect of shifting my digital housings ever so slightly - mostly in the fore and aft direction. ? There seem to be 4 diameters on my bolts but I can't tell if they are all perfectly concentric with one another. ?It's possible Felder tried to do something clever here by making the diameters slightly eccentric to preload the flip stop although I'm not sure how that would work unless it was clocked in a certain orientation. ? I also noticed that the actual flip stop plates are not a consistent thickness around their bores. ? This could be a difference in powder coat thickness, sloppy machining, or intentional as part of some clever system I can't quite understand. ? ?Regardless, I didn't like how much my digital housings shifted with flip stop rotation so I use a bearing to somewhat isolate them from the factory stops.  -Rusty
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Re: How to flush mount raised panel cutter
Dan, a couple additional comments about that Whitehill 190mm cutter. ?Whitehill can make custom profile knives with a cutting width up to about 75mm. ?Also, if you’re thinking of running it underneath the material, be aware of the shaper cavity restrictions that can prevent it lowering sufficiently. ?I posted about this several years ago in the following series:
Here are the restrictions for use on a Profil 45 for an under-cutter setup with the 190mm variant of that Whitehill panel raising cutter:
David Best
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On Jan 2, 2024, at 5:40?PM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Dan,
I don’t know if this is the kind of thing you’re after, but I have had this 190mm Whitehill panel cutter (in steel rather than aluminum) since 2002 and love it specifically because of the width of the profile you can machine with it:
The stock profiles are shown here:
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Here’s a photo of the cutter and one of the knives that illustrate the 54mm width of profile:
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You can see it being used in this setup:
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In that setup I have the spindle tilted backward 4° as you can visualize here:
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So depending on the tilt and depth of cut, you can get a variety of profiles even using just one of the 7 cutters profiles they offer:
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David Best
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On Jan 2, 2024, at 4:45?PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
Thank you all for the replies, it looks like the profile with add on molding will need to be at least 60mm wide so the larger 75mm knife would be ideal. I will look into the Whitehill catalog once more. I’ve had my eye on the flush mount felder multi head (forget exactly what it’s called) since I first saw Brent’s post on it so may just splurge and get a few cutters!? This is a probably a one off cabinet door job, client requested as much detail as possible. 95% of my work is flat panel and I prefer to keep it that way. Shaping mdf is yuck! Plum creek mdf does shape and sand really nice however.? On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:14 PM, Andy <andy.raynor08@...> wrote:
? Whitehill sells a panel cutter that is 190mm under or over. According to Brent at dovetail timberworks the larger cutter can accept knives upto 75mm x 15mm. They can custom grind knives of any profile, however you might find that profile already available. ??
Most of the wide profiles are listed at 55mm wide. Perhaps that’s not wide enough for your job but maybe worth?checking.?
Brent from dovetail timberworks provides the specs in his video here.?
The dimensions are at the 2:20 mark.?
I don’t have this panel cutter myself but I have been looking at the smaller one.?
Their kitchen set, which I do have, can machine tenons up to 45 mm.? On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:19?PM David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
HI Dan: ? It probably depends on how much you want to spend? I have a custom cabinet set from Rangate which gives a simple shaker profile (which I requested) and machines a 20mm tongue and groove. As with most Rangate
products, it has gorgeous extras built in so I can add chamfer or micro rounds to the profile. My set is designed to work with cabinet sized timbers up to 25mm. ? I usually use a flat panel these days, but the standard Rangate panel cutter works well for my cabinet setup. It is not flush mount but is able to machine a fairly large tongue (I forget exactly how big).
The standard profile inserts machine a tapered tongue but I prefer a straight tongue so I can have highly reactive timbers (expansion and contraction) go deep into the groove. To achieve this, I tilt the Rangate panel raiser so that it machines a straight
tongue. Works very well for me. ? I’m sure Greg would have my set on file and could produce a similar/same version for you. ?
Dr David Luckensmeyer ?
I thought about adding a spline afterwards but the downside is it will need another molding in the back like you say and that seems like too much work to achieve in a cabinet door.
Is there potentially an insert raised panel cutter on the market that has a wider profile capacity for such situations?
> On Jan 2, 2024, at 4:15 PM, Joe Calhoon via <joecalhoon=[email protected]> wrote:
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> ?Not sure if it’s possible to flush mount unless the panel raiser has a recess where the cap screw fits down. Way back I had a custom cutter made for this that was boarderline dangerous to run.
> Any more put a tongue on the stile and rail edge instead of a groove. This way the panel does not have to go in far. Downside is you will need another moulding on the back side to hold the panel.
> Maybe not acceptable for a cabinet door.
> On house doors I add a spline piece to accomplish this. But they are getting moulding both sides.
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Dan,
I don’t know if this is the kind of thing you’re after, but I have had this 190mm Whitehill panel cutter (in steel rather than aluminum) since 2002 and love it specifically because of the width of the profile you can machine with it:
The stock profiles are shown here:
?
Here’s a photo of the cutter and one of the knives that illustrate the 54mm width of profile:
You can see it being used in this setup:
In that setup I have the spindle tilted backward 4° as you can visualize here:
So depending on the tilt and depth of cut, you can get a variety of profiles even using just one of the 7 cutters profiles they offer:
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Jan 2, 2024, at 4:45?PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
Thank you all for the replies, it looks like the profile with add on molding will need to be at least 60mm wide so the larger 75mm knife would be ideal. I will look into the Whitehill catalog once more. I’ve had my eye on the flush mount felder multi head (forget exactly what it’s called) since I first saw Brent’s post on it so may just splurge and get a few cutters!? This is a probably a one off cabinet door job, client requested as much detail as possible. 95% of my work is flat panel and I prefer to keep it that way. Shaping mdf is yuck! Plum creek mdf does shape and sand really nice however.? On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:14 PM, Andy <andy.raynor08@...> wrote:
? Whitehill sells a panel cutter that is 190mm under or over. According to Brent at dovetail timberworks the larger cutter can accept knives upto 75mm x 15mm. They can custom grind knives of any profile, however you might find that profile already available. ??
Most of the wide profiles are listed at 55mm wide. Perhaps that’s not wide enough for your job but maybe worth?checking.?
Brent from dovetail timberworks provides the specs in his video here.?
The dimensions are at the 2:20 mark.?
I don’t have this panel cutter myself but I have been looking at the smaller one.?
Their kitchen set, which I do have, can machine tenons up to 45 mm.? On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 5:19?PM David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
HI Dan: ? It probably depends on how much you want to spend? I have a custom cabinet set from Rangate which gives a simple shaker profile (which I requested) and machines a 20mm tongue and groove. As with most Rangate
products, it has gorgeous extras built in so I can add chamfer or micro rounds to the profile. My set is designed to work with cabinet sized timbers up to 25mm. ? I usually use a flat panel these days, but the standard Rangate panel cutter works well for my cabinet setup. It is not flush mount but is able to machine a fairly large tongue (I forget exactly how big).
The standard profile inserts machine a tapered tongue but I prefer a straight tongue so I can have highly reactive timbers (expansion and contraction) go deep into the groove. To achieve this, I tilt the Rangate panel raiser so that it machines a straight
tongue. Works very well for me. ? I’m sure Greg would have my set on file and could produce a similar/same version for you. ?
Dr David Luckensmeyer ?
I thought about adding a spline afterwards but the downside is it will need another molding in the back like you say and that seems like too much work to achieve in a cabinet door.
Is there potentially an insert raised panel cutter on the market that has a wider profile capacity for such situations?
> On Jan 2, 2024, at 4:15 PM, Joe Calhoon via <joecalhoon=[email protected]> wrote:
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> ?Not sure if it’s possible to flush mount unless the panel raiser has a recess where the cap screw fits down. Way back I had a custom cutter made for this that was boarderline dangerous to run.
> Any more put a tongue on the stile and rail edge instead of a groove. This way the panel does not have to go in far. Downside is you will need another moulding on the back side to hold the panel.
> Maybe not acceptable for a cabinet door.
> On house doors I add a spline piece to accomplish this. But they are getting moulding both sides.
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> <IMG_2553.jpeg>
> <IMG_1458.jpeg>
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Re: You get what you pay for. Cheap digital fence readout.
Wow, Rusty! Super nice.
How is the DRO housing attached to the flip stop?
Steve
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