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Re: Selecting a dust collector
Happy customer here of Clearvue. I have one of the older clear systems, the metal systems look very nice, but I kinda like watching the chips swirl. :-)
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 2:40?PM pierre.bourassa via <pierre.bourassa= [email protected]> wrote: I'm just setting up my new workshop and after waiting almost a year, I finally got my CF741 delivered a month ago and installed last week. I have not done much with it, but I think I am overgrowing my old Delta 1HP dust collector - I filled the bag twice in a couple of days and it is a real pain to reinstall the bag after emptying it, it just drives me nuts trying to align the bag and install the clamp...
I have been eying the GyroAir 700 for quite a while now and I saw great reviews on YouTube. Out of curiosity, I started looking at the Felder dust collectors and the RL125 or RL140 seem like interesting options, but for almost double the price.?
Has anyone contemplated the same options and decided one way or the other, or should I look at something else. I live in Canada so my options are more aligned to what is offered in North America.
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Re: Selecting a dust collector
I looked at all the options available. ?The Harvey G-700 is a very cool machine, but it wouldn’t work in my shop space because the dust inlet is on the floor. ?In my situation, it’s better to have the duct inlet up high. ? It came down to the 5HP cyclones from either Oneida or Clearvue. ?I ultimately went with the Clearvue Pentz EF-5 because of the inlet location. ? If you put both machines against the wall and run the main duct against the wall as well, the inlet on the Clearvue is on the left side, where the inlet on the Oneida is on the right side. ?In my limited space shop, the Clearvue was the only one I could fit in based on locations of machines, doors, electrical, etc. ?Of course, that part of the cyclone can be rotated for any direction, but then you have to deal with duct angles. ?Both are excellent products. ? The other thing I did was to select a 3-phase motor not the cyclone and then drive it with a 5HP VFD. ?This allows me to turn down the motor speed to reduce noise when I use machines that don’t need the max CFM. ? The Felder dust extractors are very nice, but the inlet is also down low (though not as low as the G700). ?In my situation, I would not have space to run duct from low to high. ?Attached is a pic of the blue Clearvue in my shop that shows how the duct/machine arrangement is setup. ?Next is a pic of my friend’s shop with the Oneida and a minimax combo machine.   -Aaron
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Hey everyone, I have a Hammer HS950 with the mitre fence and some sandpaper to sell.? It is in excellent shape and runs like new.? I have a new edge sander on the way, so this one has to go. I rotated the bottom cabinet and installed two drawers underneath it for storage.? It has 4 locking casters installed, to ease moving it around.? I still have the panel I removed off the bottom section for the drawers. All in from the felder site to Southern California is $2750 right now.? I am selling it for $1900 local.? I will post it to all the normal places later this week.      PK
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Re: K 700 S Miter Slot dimensions Pls
You’re going to very easily be able to mill a piece of hardwood to fit the slot in your sliding table. It has to be just snug enough to slide but not wobble.
I normally make mine of quarter sawn material.
You’re going to love having a Fritz and Franz jig.
Regards, Rod
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Re: Selecting a dust collector
Salut Pierre, I have an Oneida cyclone at home, I’ve had if for twenty years, works very well.
Felder also have an AF22 with a cartridge filter wit 13 square metres of filter material.
It’s reasonably priced compared to the Oneida cyclones or Felder RL series.
Regards, Rod
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Re: K 700 S Miter Slot dimensions Pls
Amazing Mr. Best. I should call you Dr. Best to recognize your expertise.
Yes, you anticipated my next effort which was to build a basic? Fritz/Fran jig.
Silly me I thought planing and using a jointer to mill down some bakelite for a good fit in the miter slots would be sufficient to fab miter guides for the bottom of my jig. I have seen this done in youtube?videos for sliding tables. Sounds like this may or may not be accurate enough, given the Felder miter slots in the sliding table are not true ??
I could 3d print a custom t-nut/bar out of a harder plastic.
PETG has some wear resistance, Nylon is very wear resistent, whereas Carbon Fiber may actually wear the slots somewhat in the aluminum table. Do you think this may worth a try...... I may anyway for the fun value....
Thank you my friend. Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066
Welcome to the group,
The Felder sliding tables, do not have a “miter slot” in the traditional sense. The slots on the sliding table are in the form of an upside down T.? You will find the dimensions for this T-slot on the left side of the drawing at the following link, but keep in mind this is not a precision, reference slot. There are slight variations in the dimensions of the T-slot along the length of the sliding table, and from one machine to another.
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If you want to adapt, a third-party miter guide to the sliding table, you will need to make a T-slot adapter that accepts a standard 3/8 by 3/4 inch miter guide bar and conforms it to the Felder T-slot.? Many users here have made such an adapter out of hardwood or HDPE plastic. The following link will show you an example of one such adaptation:
For simple 90° crosscuts, a Fritz and Franz jig would be a better choice.? If you were planning to do a lot of crosscut mitering work, you might find it more convenient to use the crosscut fence on the outrigger table or purchase the DGL or EGL accessory for the sliding table.? Felder makes and sells a short crosscut fence that can be installed on the sliding table, but it is not very accurate in establishing true 90° registration when taking off and putting back on the sliding table. As a result I do not recommend this device on the saw - it has more utility on a spindle shaper with a sliding table.
David Best - via mobile phone?
On Dec 26, 2023, at 12:20?PM, sjglaser1 <sjglaser1@...> wrote:
?Hi FOG,
I apologize in advance if my question(s) are too basic. I am a new owner with a K700S on order.
What is the dimensions of the sliding table miter slots?
Which miter bar should I order to make up jigs, etc....
Thanks in advance- Scott G.;
Re: Selecting a dust collector
I’ve been eyeing that cf741, as an upgrade from my C3-41. Let us know how you get on with it!
As for dust collectors I went with Oneida V 3000 and I looked hard at the Harvey Gyro Air and the Felder 140. I avoided the Harvey because it’s basically drop shipped from China, and I was worried about support.?
The Felder 140 was super interesting but I ultimately selected Oneida as they are made in the US and have a stellar reputation.?
I’m glad I did.? Just a month in one of the engine mount bolts came loose and flew into the cyclone fan damaging the housing.?
A few calls into Oneida and they shipped me a brand new engine and housing. They explained that they’ve had a few problematic bolts sourced from China.? As a result they’ve done away with any outsourcing of bolts and gone with a domestic supplier.?
I found the footprint of the Oneida to be more to my liking over the Felder offering. Either unit should be adequate for your combo machine. ?
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 5:40?PM pierre.bourassa via <pierre.bourassa= [email protected]> wrote: I'm just setting up my new workshop and after waiting almost a year, I finally got my CF741 delivered a month ago and installed last week. I have not done much with it, but I think I am overgrowing my old Delta 1HP dust collector - I filled the bag twice in a couple of days and it is a real pain to reinstall the bag after emptying it, it just drives me nuts trying to align the bag and install the clamp...
I have been eying the GyroAir 700 for quite a while now and I saw great reviews on YouTube. Out of curiosity, I started looking at the Felder dust collectors and the RL125 or RL140 seem like interesting options, but for almost double the price.?
Has anyone contemplated the same options and decided one way or the other, or should I look at something else. I live in Canada so my options are more aligned to what is offered in North America.
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I very much appreciate the advice from everyone. So many talented knowledgeable here. Looks like I have settled in on the F700P , 81” slider with length compensation, dro outrigger stop and a stop for length compensation, rip fence dro, manual score blade, dado. Probably go manual for blade height and angle to save money and use wixey and height gage unless someone can convince me the power package is worth the price. I make period reproductions so no production type work. ?Planning to order this week. Luckily I am only 40 minutes from new castle.?
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Re: Anyone have this parallel guide?
Thanks very much, David. Answers all my questions.
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Bird, read page 5 in the following document - it illustrates the attachment method:
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David Best DBestWorkshop@...https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/ https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Dec 26, 2023, at 1:17?PM, Bird Cupps <birdc@...> wrote:
? Imran, I’m interested to know how the parallel guide attaches to the extension table. The minimax come with an extension table and it sure looks like this Felder parallel guide could be attached. From the photos on Felder’s website, it appears that two kipp levers secure a steel plate to the Felder extension table. So, in my situation, I could come up with a way to attach that steel plate to the minimax’s table and I’d have a nice parallel guide.
Albert, I’m not entirely sure I understand how your device works. Do you know what it’s called so that I can look it up in the SCM catalog? It comes with that digital readout?
Thanks much for your responses.
Bird
Hi Bird,
Not sure what you are asking. Are you interested in how the extension table attaches to the slider or how the measurement extrusion assembly attaches to the extension table. There is a plate involved in the latter. I can’t find my post on FOG but here are details of me adapting an extension table for the parallel fence use.
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On Dec 25, 2023, at 11:33 PM, Bird Cupps <
birdc@...> wrote:
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I wonder if anyone has one of these knocking around that they don’t use?
Or if you have one you’re not willing to part with, I’d be interested in a measurement of the plate that attaches to the extension table. I’m thinking of trying to attach it to my minimax machine.
Thanks for taking a look
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
Re: Selecting a dust collector
Pierre,
? ? ? ? ? I considered the same thing for my C3-31 combination machine, N440 bandsaw and a Hammer belt sander. Previously I had a Felder AF14 which I truly hated for the reasons that you describe.
I was fairly set on a Laguna, but I couldn't get one locally here in Ireland, so it was hard to get an actual shipped price including taxes,etc.
I had read on here that the RL 160 was a better bet than a 125 or 140 as it moved around 3000 cu/ft/min. I had no clue to what any of this meant.
I happened to mention this to the local Felder dealer who is always keen to make a deal, and in the end I went for the FL160 in single phase ,as much as anything, I reckoned I would always get most of my cash back if it didn't work out.
There is no way to justify the size or the ?price in my case, but when you're heading to seventy, and no kids - what the hell.
As a hobbyist, it is the most serious bit of over kill that you could imagine, I don't like it, I love it. The shop is much cleaner, no more hassle with bags, but most of all I can't believe how quiet it is. No complaints from neighbours about noise. There was another additional 1k Euros for duct work.
Good luck.
Trevor Lusty
Ireland
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Selecting a dust collector
I'm just setting up my new workshop and after waiting almost a year, I finally got my CF741 delivered a month ago and installed last week. I have not done much with it, but I think I am overgrowing my old Delta 1HP dust collector - I filled the bag twice in a couple of days and it is a real pain to reinstall the bag after emptying it, it just drives me nuts trying to align the bag and install the clamp...
I have been eying the GyroAir 700 for quite a while now and I saw great reviews on YouTube. Out of curiosity, I started looking at the Felder dust collectors and the RL125 or RL140 seem like interesting options, but for almost double the price.?
Has anyone contemplated the same options and decided one way or the other, or should I look at something else. I live in Canada so my options are more aligned to what is offered in North America.
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Re: Anyone have this parallel guide?
Bird, read page 5 in the following document - it illustrates the attachment method:
?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Dec 26, 2023, at 1:17?PM, Bird Cupps <birdc@...> wrote:
? Imran, I’m interested to know how the parallel guide attaches to the extension table. The minimax come with an extension table and it sure looks like this Felder parallel guide could be attached. From the photos on Felder’s website, it appears that two kipp levers secure a steel plate to the Felder extension table. So, in my situation, I could come up with a way to attach that steel plate to the minimax’s table and I’d have a nice parallel guide.
Albert, I’m not entirely sure I understand how your device works. Do you know what it’s called so that I can look it up in the SCM catalog? It comes with that digital readout?
Thanks much for your responses.
Bird
Hi Bird,
Not sure what you are asking. Are you interested in how the extension table attaches to the slider or how the measurement extrusion assembly attaches to the extension table. There is a plate involved in the latter. I can’t find my post on FOG but here are details of me adapting an extension table for the parallel fence use.
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On Dec 25, 2023, at 11:33 PM, Bird Cupps <
birdc@...> wrote:
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I wonder if anyone has one of these knocking around that they don’t use?
Or if you have one you’re not willing to part with, I’d be interested in a measurement of the plate that attaches to the extension table. I’m thinking of trying to attach it to my minimax machine.
Thanks for taking a look
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
Re: Anyone have this parallel guide?
Hi Bird,
In that case, my pics (in link I shared) show how I tapped the holes in the end of felder ext table. If your SCM extension table is an AL extrusion, it likely has similar provision. The plate dimensions and hole locations (in the plate) will depend upon the x-section of your table. Are you planning to build the rest of the parallel fence parts or buying them from Felder? I did not think Felder sold just the parallel fence extrusion and holder but I could be wrong.
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On Dec 26, 2023, at 4:17 PM, Bird Cupps <birdc@...> wrote: ? Imran, I’m interested to know how the parallel guide attaches to the extension table. The minimax come with an extension table and it sure looks like this Felder parallel guide could be attached. From the photos on Felder’s website, it appears that two kipp levers secure a steel plate to the Felder extension table. So, in my situation, I could come up with a way to attach that steel plate to the minimax’s table and I’d have a nice parallel guide.
Albert, I’m not entirely sure I understand how your device works. Do you know what it’s called so that I can look it up in the SCM catalog? It comes with that digital readout?
Thanks much for your responses.
Bird
Hi Bird,
Not sure what you are asking. Are you interested in how the extension table attaches to the slider or how the measurement extrusion assembly attaches to the extension table. There is a plate involved in the latter. I can’t find my post on FOG but here are details of me adapting an extension table for the parallel fence use.
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On Dec 25, 2023, at 11:33 PM, Bird Cupps <
birdc@...> wrote:
?
I wonder if anyone has one of these knocking around that they don’t use?
Or if you have one you’re not willing to part with, I’d be interested in a measurement of the plate that attaches to the extension table. I’m thinking of trying to attach it to my minimax machine.
Thanks for taking a look
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
Re: Anyone have this parallel guide?
Imran, I’m interested to know how the parallel guide attaches to the extension table. The minimax come with an extension table and it sure looks like this Felder parallel guide could be attached. From the photos on Felder’s website, it appears that two kipp levers secure a steel plate to the Felder extension table. So, in my situation, I could come up with a way to attach that steel plate to the minimax’s table and I’d have a nice parallel guide.
Albert, I’m not entirely sure I understand how your device works. Do you know what it’s called so that I can look it up in the SCM catalog? It comes with that digital readout?
Thanks much for your responses.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Hi Bird,
Not sure what you are asking. Are you interested in how the extension table attaches to the slider or how the measurement extrusion assembly attaches to the extension table. There is a plate involved in the latter. I can’t find my post on FOG but here are details of me adapting an extension table for the parallel fence use.
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On Dec 25, 2023, at 11:33 PM, Bird Cupps <
birdc@...> wrote:
?
I wonder if anyone has one of these knocking around that they don’t use?
Or if you have one you’re not willing to part with, I’d be interested in a measurement of the plate that attaches to the extension table. I’m thinking of trying to attach it to my minimax machine.
Thanks for taking a look
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
Re: K 700 S Miter Slot dimensions Pls
Welcome to the group,
The Felder sliding tables, do not have a “miter slot” in the traditional sense. The slots on the sliding table are in the form of an upside down T. ?You will find the dimensions for this T-slot on the left side of the drawing at the following link, but keep in mind this is not a precision, reference slot. There are slight variations in the dimensions of the T-slot along the length of the sliding table, and from one machine to another.
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If you want to adapt, a third-party miter guide to the sliding table, you will need to make a T-slot adapter that accepts a standard 3/8 by 3/4 inch miter guide bar and conforms it to the Felder T-slot. ?Many users here have made such an adapter out of hardwood or HDPE plastic. The following link will show you an example of one such adaptation:
For simple 90° crosscuts, a Fritz and Franz jig would be a better choice. ?If you were planning to do a lot of crosscut mitering work, you might find it more convenient to use the crosscut fence on the outrigger table or purchase the DGL or EGL accessory for the sliding table. ?Felder makes and sells a short crosscut fence that can be installed on the sliding table, but it is not very accurate in establishing true 90° registration when taking off and putting back on the sliding table. As a result I do not recommend this device on the saw - it has more utility on a spindle shaper with a sliding table.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
David Best - via mobile phone?
On Dec 26, 2023, at 12:20?PM, sjglaser1 <sjglaser1@...> wrote:
?Hi FOG,
I apologize in advance if my question(s) are too basic. I am a new owner with a K700S on order.
What is the dimensions of the sliding table miter slots?
Which miter bar should I order to make up jigs, etc....
Thanks in advance- Scott G.;
K 700 S Miter Slot dimensions Pls
Hi FOG,
I apologize in advance if my question(s) are too basic. I am a new owner with a K700S on order.
What is the dimensions of the sliding table miter slots?
Which miter bar should I order to make up jigs, etc....
Thanks in advance- Scott G.;
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Re: Anyone have this parallel guide?
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Re: Anyone have this parallel guide?
Hi Bird,
Not sure what you are asking. Are you interested in how the extension table attaches to the slider or how the measurement extrusion assembly attaches to the extension table. There is a plate involved in the latter. I can’t find my post on FOG but here are details of me adapting an extension table for the parallel fence use.
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Show quoted text
On Dec 25, 2023, at 11:33 PM, Bird Cupps <birdc@...> wrote:
?
I wonder if anyone has one of these knocking around that they don’t use?
Or if you have one you’re not willing to part with, I’d be interested in a measurement of the plate that attaches to the extension table. I’m thinking of trying to attach it to my minimax machine.
Thanks for taking a look
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
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Anyone have this parallel guide?
I wonder if anyone has one of these knocking around that they don’t use?
Or if you have one you’re not willing to part with, I’d be interested in a measurement of the plate that attaches to the extension table. I’m thinking of trying to attach it to my minimax machine.
Thanks for taking a look
Bird Cupps Mount Horeb, WI
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