My father passed away last year on May 3rd at the age of 93. One of the events most affecting his life was his service in the Korean War. When my sister assembled his uniform jersey to display at his memorial service, we discovered he has a Bronze Star ribbon that he evidently earned in Korea. His experience there traumatized him and he suffered from nightmares for the early part of his marriage to my mother. But gradually the nearness of the trauma he experienced diminished, until he watched the constant news coverage of the January 6th insurrection, which triggered long-suppressed memories of his time in the Army.He was proud of his service, and it was my honor to take him on one of the Honor flights to Washington DC, where he and a number of veterans were able to visit the memorials specific to their conflicts and their branches of the service.And because of his service, he was entitled, and received military honors at his memorial service.So, I was unsure what to do with the flag from his military honors and the uniform jersey. I was also a bit conflicted as to what these items might have really meant to him -- unfortunately, he is no longer here so that I might ask him. I decided to make a couple of cabinets to house them, and designed them with the assistance of Wendy Maruyama and Matt Hutton. It's been a big effort as I have struggled to do justice to these items which certainly have a lot of meaning to me and possibly had to my father. So, here's the result.The cabinets are made of mahogany with crotch African mahogany veneered door panels. The quarter round mouldings have embedded American flag icons made from maple, bubinga, and ebony. The back panel is veneered with Santos rosewood.Dad, I hope that you would approve.?
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I would look used for a refrigerated air dryer, worst case, you can get new from Harbor Freight for $500¡. If you get a 20% discount it¡¯s even cheaper.
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Hi, I am using a 3.5HP Quincy Air compressor w/60 gallon tank in my home shop and looking at air treatment options. The compressor is primarily used for the CNC tool changer which has its own dedicated separator at machine, I also need air for pneumatic clamps on assembly table and pocket hole machine, I might use air for a paint gun later. Aside from filter and regulator what are you guys using for removing or preventing moisture from air lines? I don't think I need super dry air such as fine finishing I only need to ensure I don't push excessive moisture into pneumatic devices. There is a higher end separator for $900 water/oil/carbon/regulator or mixed review amazon models for $200 that might be good enough, or refrigerated air dryers at that same price of $1,000 or so for my CFM.? I like set and forget but I don't mind recharging beads periodically based on my use likely a long time between those intervals.
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Jay Bowen
Cleveland
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Hi, I am using a 3.5HP Quincy Air compressor w/60 gallon tank in my home shop and looking at air treatment options. The compressor is primarily used for the CNC tool changer which has its own dedicated separator at machine, I also need air for pneumatic clamps on assembly table and pocket hole machine, I might use air for a paint gun later. Aside from filter and regulator what are you guys using for removing or preventing moisture from air lines? I don't think I need super dry air such as fine finishing I only need to ensure I don't push excessive moisture into pneumatic devices. There is a higher end separator for $900 water/oil/carbon/regulator or mixed review amazon models for $200 that might be good enough, or refrigerated air dryers at that same price of $1,000 or so for my CFM.? I like set and forget but I don't mind recharging beads periodically based on my use likely a long time between those intervals.
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Jay Bowen
Cleveland
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Re: Hammer and Oneida Supercell
Don't get sucked into the sales hype. 5-hp is 5-hp.? Horse Power = flow x pressure x factor.?
A vacuum pump (blower) with high pressure capacity will have low flow capacity.? Flow is required to keep material suspended in the air stream.? Higher flow and more static loss is produced by smaller pipe.? Larger pipe is less prone to clogs.? System losses like vertical lift, direction change (elbows), hose with its internal rough surface and joints should be minimized. Place the collector as close as possible to the largest load which is typically the planer.?
I have a 4-hp blower and 5" pipe system connected to 120mm (4.7") dia ports.? The longest run from the planer is about 10' of lift, 30' of run, 8' of hose and about 3 each 90 deg elbows.? Works well.? No problems.
The Supercell looks like a neat and tidy system but $2500 for 5-hp capacity is a premium price.
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Re: Hammer and Oneida Supercell
SirRey,?
I used to use a MiniGorilla with ~12' of 5" flex hose with my KF700 and A3-41 (and other machines). Rated at 580 cfm @ 2" SP, the Mini Gorilla kept up but only just barely. Also, I regularly overfilled the 22 gallon bin when thickness planing or running the shaper. While it has a higher static pressure, it looks like the SuperCell has a lower CFM and a smaller bin. So, I'd perform a very careful evaluation of whether you'd be overfilling the SuperCell regularly. When the bin overflows, the chips/dust get pushed directly to the filter, which becomes a time consuming and messy affair.?
Have you considered the RL125 or RL140? ?Admittedly more expensive, but I suspect that they'd keep up with your K3 and A3-31 with no problem, plus you'd get a ~50 gallon bin.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Hammer and Oneida Supercell
Steve, I used extensive runs of 4¡± hand duct with my Supercell; Oneida sells packages of it with the Supercell specifically in mind. Anywhere you do use flex you need to use their extra-stiff 4¡± line due to the higher suction.
SirRey, see the previous Supercell discussion; you¡¯ll find it informative.?
Brad
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Re: Hammer and Oneida Supercell
What's your ceiling height limit, and are you okay with a 35 gallon drum?? I have both a K3 and an A3-31 but I run an Oneida V-3000 with 35 gallon drum in my basement shop with a fairly low ceiling height.? The motor did have to go in between the joists during installation, but currently sits below the bottom of the joists.
I looked at the Supercell but went with the V-3000 because I wanted to run hard duct work.? I don't think the Supercell is really made for that.? Even though I'm in a small basement shop my layout forces me to have most of my tools up against the wall that is opposite where I installed my DC.? Before I got the Oneida I would just run flex hose across the floor from tool-to-tool, which means I was stepping over the hose every time I used the A3-31.? So when I installed the V-3000 I piped hard duct up between one of the joists that runs across the shop (and above HVAC return ducts); now the DC lines are behind the tools when I use them, making my workflow much easier.
So you might be able to get away with a V-3000 if you have the height (and monetary) budget and are thinking about possibly running hard duct work.
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Hammer and Oneida Supercell
Anyone out there using a Oneida Supercell with a Hammer K3 Winner or A3-31 or felder saws / joiner planers?? Just curious how the performance is?? Looking for something for my Garage as I use to have a Oneida V-5000 but it's to tall for my new garage.?
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If you don't make a lot of dust on a regular basis, a much cheaper alternative to the supercell with very similar capabilities is the CamVac 386-6.?I found the camvac to do an excellent job at getting chips and dust out of a Hammer B3, A3-31, cabinet saw, a 14-inch euro-style bandsaw, and even keeps the miter saw quite clean, while also keeping dust out of the air.?
The real downsides to the CamVac 386-6 vs the supercell are capacity and the full bin light but it was 1/3rd the price of the Super Cell and rolls under the wing of my B3 when not in use.
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B - This is really encouraging! ?A photo would be great! ?Part of my thinking also is that if, down the road, I end up in a space large enough I can always go bigger. ?I think I would likely be able to recoup a decent amount of the purchase price for the Supercell by selling it.
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I¡¯ve had a supercell and a3-31 in a hobby shop with a 35 gallon drum. It loses a small amount of chips and dust from a planer and small/moderate amount from an 18bx laguna band saw on resawing but it has been good to me. Not having to run duct because the static pressure can avoid a major loss through a long run of their Vacuum rated hoses is a benefit for a small shop but I tripped on hoses. Magports made changes quick though. I¡¯m adding a dust gorilla pro 5hp and ducts soon for convenience and cfm with the addition of some more serious tools (scm 21¡± bandsaw, 20¡± scm jointer/planer, and kf700sp) but there¡¯s a video of someone using a supercell with a grizzly 20 ¡° planer on YouTube, where it keeps up. I was more concerned about dual 120¡± port machines not having enough air movement.
I am keeping it, for vacuum duties, mobile or hand held small port tools like the Japanese fine toothed circ saws and groovers that are super dusty, miter saw, Mortiser, etc.
Oh, last note, On the idea that you get a bigger drum, i don¡¯t have the ceiling height for a 55 but also once I started using my band saw to rip down stock before planing to an 8th of an inch, I found myself rarely worrying about the bin filling. I do mostly slow hand tool joinery so that could be another reason I don¡¯t worry about it, with long stretches between machine work past initial milling and grooving. I should be emptying mine more regularly for safety reasons anyhow. Hope this helps.
If you want I can plane some boards and take a photo of the chips it doesn¡¯t catch on the planer bed.
b
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I have a V5000 that Oneida recommended because I live at 5400 ft.? Throughput has never been a problem.
"I have a 35-gallon drum on my current Oneida, and wish I had a bigger one. My thicknesser fills it up pretty fast."? ?This is true except that a bag full from the 35 gallon is about all I want to carry up from the basement, espcially if any MDF is involved.
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I looked at the V3000 which is likely the route I¡¯d go other than the Supercell. ?My dilemma there is I would still use flex hose as my space is small and I¡¯m hopefully only here for a little while longer before moving (12-24 mo). ?The accounting doesn¡¯t make sense to invest in a ducting network that will be so short lived. ?I currently have a Laguna B Flux so swapping the hose from port to port is a pain point I¡¯ve already grown numb to.
I guess the main question is for a one man shop, running 1 tool at a time, with a maximum demand of the a3-41 which is the better option for my application? ?I am going to reach out to Oneida, but also put stock in crowd sourcing an answer from all of your own experiences.
Cheers!
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Brett, I have a one-man hobby shop so no comparison; but it is fully piped with auto blast gates so the inconvenience is limited. I agree with John, the other elements of a complete system are a huge part of the total cost. Advantage: I actually use it now lol.
Brad
My cyclone is 30¡± x 30¡± in plan, plus the big filter. That is larger than the Supercell, but it sure works well.
I set it up with the filter close to the wall to keep it out of the way, but that was a mistake. I cannot blow down the filter on that side.
The filter is remarkably efficient. I have a ceiling-mounted air cleaner, but very rarely use it now that I have the Oneida. I still use a dust mask.
The cyclone was expensive. What surprised me was how much I spent on ducts, fittings, blast gates, and such. It was easily as much as the cost of the cyclone.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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My cyclone is 30¡± x 30¡± in plan, plus the big filter. That is larger than the Supercell, but it sure works well. I set it up with the filter close to the wall to keep it out of the way, but that was a mistake. I cannot blow down the filter on that side. The filter is remarkably efficient. I have a ceiling-mounted air cleaner, but very rarely use it now that I have the Oneida. I still use a dust mask. The cyclone was expensive. What surprised me was how much I spent on ducts, fittings, blast gates, and such. It was easily as much as the cost of the cyclone.  -- John Hinman Boise ID K700S and A941
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Re: Garth Multipress vs Soukup Press
Soukup small joints - I just "bump" the pump for goldilocks pressure for smaller joint needs, kind of like bumping the felder digidrive to?get 0.1mm steps. Example below:?
1. Clamping a broken walking cane - clamp to deflection (hehe)
2. Pressuring?cauls to re-veneer faces on antique (and very fragile! drawer backs that were still intact - clamps plus manual helpers.
3. Re-jointing a table pedestal base.
Lots of unconventional uses in our unconventional restoration shop.
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 10:11 PM Joe Calhoon via <joecalhoon= [email protected]> wrote: Dave, true you can turn down the pressure. You can also feather the button for less pressure. This is tricky so probably better to turn it down.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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I think if small runs don't annoy you with bin-filling/emptying cycles, and you don't mind moving the active ports to your machines, and you run 1 tool at a time, the supercell will probably be great.
I wanted to buy one but in the end went with another cyclone setup because I needed the ability to do area air exchanges (cfm!) and multiple tools running at multiples times, and I had available 3 phase to plug into but needed to run another 220/1ph circuit to accommodate the supercell.?
The reality of a cyclone pushing 4x more processed air through a space is definitely a consideration compared to chip collection of high-suction at the source.?
I built my own cyclone setup using a 2HP blower and oneida 6 cyclone thinking I would save money. But in the end, I think it would have been better to just buy the Supercell. From a practicality point of view I think the Supercell is incredible for anyone working in a small shop / garage shop. Having a single machine that can handle dust collection from big machines and smaller ones is something I totally underestimated at the time and I am now stuck with a Festool vac?+ the cyclone. Without counting my time, I think I saved 400-500$ and my setup is way less efficient. Not worth it.
Moral of the story: if my house ever burned down, I will go SuperCell for all my tooling.?
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 8:35 AM celestialgazer2001 < bradpj53@...> wrote: ?I¡¯ve had the Oneida Supercell in my shop for 2 years and am generally very pleased with its performance. It balances volume of air moved with suction force very nicely therefore making it useful for larger stationary machines as well as smaller ones such as drill press and miter saw (as if anything can catch all that,). I would say that the Supercell might struggle with deep wide cuts; I had one filter jam while planing 16¡± wide cherry - however a factor in that was that my ¡°helper¡± (teenaged grandson) was inattentive to maintenance and I think the DC was at less than an optimal state. I would recommend calling Oneida; they¡¯re located not far from me here in upstate NY and have excellent customer service; they¡¯ll go over your DC needs and may well recommend another of there cyclone units instead.
Brd
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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I built my own cyclone setup using a 2HP blower and oneida 6 cyclone thinking I would save money. But in the end, I think it would have been better to just buy the Supercell. From a practicality point of view I think the Supercell is incredible for anyone working in a small shop / garage shop. Having a single machine that can handle dust collection from big machines and smaller ones is something I totally underestimated at the time and I am now stuck with a Festool vac?+ the cyclone. Without counting my time, I think I saved 400-500$ and my setup is way less efficient. Not worth it.
Moral of the story: if my house ever burned down, I will go SuperCell for all my tooling.?
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 8:35 AM celestialgazer2001 < bradpj53@...> wrote: ?I¡¯ve had the Oneida Supercell in my shop for 2 years and am generally very pleased with its performance. It balances volume of air moved with suction force very nicely therefore making it useful for larger stationary machines as well as smaller ones such as drill press and miter saw (as if anything can catch all that,). I would say that the Supercell might struggle with deep wide cuts; I had one filter jam while planing 16¡± wide cherry - however a factor in that was that my ¡°helper¡± (teenaged grandson) was inattentive to maintenance and I think the DC was at less than an optimal state. I would recommend calling Oneida; they¡¯re located not far from me here in upstate NY and have excellent customer service; they¡¯ll go over your DC needs and may well recommend another of there cyclone units instead.
Brd
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?I¡¯ve had the Oneida Supercell in my shop for 2 years and am generally very pleased with its performance. It balances volume of air moved with suction force very nicely therefore making it useful for larger stationary machines as well as smaller ones such as drill press and miter saw (as if anything can catch all that,). I would say that the Supercell might struggle with deep wide cuts; I had one filter jam while planing 16¡± wide cherry - however a factor in that was that my ¡°helper¡± (teenaged grandson) was inattentive to maintenance and I think the DC was at less than an optimal state. I would recommend calling Oneida; they¡¯re located not far from me here in upstate NY and have excellent customer service; they¡¯ll go over your DC needs and may well recommend another of there cyclone units instead.
Brd
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