Re: Eagerly awaiting info on the new Felder FW 850...
They definitely value engineered that 850.
I am no expert by a long shot on wide belts but based on observation from the video looks lightweight and they simplified things like where the head is fixed to the frame (the piece that is removed so you can replace the sanding belt) instead of a solid block it is 2 jack screws. The dro is a $100 Chinese Alibaba and also a bit suspicious of the air bladder platen, could be wrong but I thought I did some reading where they can be problematic. I know they are used on some high dollar sanders ao maybe I misunderstood the stuff I was reading.?
Seems to me they should have branded this as a Hammer and not a Felder, probably fine for intermittent hobby use but a shop buying this o think will be disappointed, they are setting themselves up for a lot of complaining (don’t worry FOG, not buying one?)
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On Mar 7, 2022, at 11:19 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
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Goody. No worries.
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Agreed, maybe the machine is a new animal. I look forward to hearing more about the FW850!
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Lucky,
I read your review/challenges when I first started on the FOG.? You were super detailed and had amazing insights.
It is what makes me want to know more about the differences in this new machine before I would want to repeat your journey.
Maybe they learned from you!
PK
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Re: Eagerly awaiting info on the new Felder FW 850...
Goody. No worries.
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Agreed, maybe the machine is a new animal. I look forward to hearing more about the FW850!
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Lucky
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Lucky,
I read your review/challenges when I first started on the FOG.? You were super detailed and had amazing insights.
It is what makes me want to know more about the differences in this new machine before I would want to repeat your journey.
Maybe they learned from you!
PK
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Re: Eagerly awaiting info on the new Felder FW 850...
Lucky,
I read your review/challenges when I first started on the FOG.? You were super detailed and had amazing insights.
It is what makes me want to know more about the differences in this new machine before I would want to repeat your journey.
Maybe they learned from you!
PK
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Re: Eagerly awaiting info on the new Felder FW 850...
Hi PK:
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If you have not read my detailed assessment of the FW950 classic, do yourself a favour and see if you can find it in the archives here. There is extensive misinformation in the USA and in Australia regarding the Felder classics. The misinformation
stems from the stark disparity between the published features of the classic widebelts, and the real-world performance of the same.
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The FW850 may be different. Maybe Felder have fixed some or all of the problems users experienced with the FW950. But then again, maybe not.
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I am an enthusiastic user and promoter of Felder and their machinery and service because I love their machines, and my local reps and service guys are great. But I certainly don’t love the FW950. And for extensive reasons, as outlined in
my assessment mentioned above.
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All the best,
Lucky
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Did anyone happen to see the news about a new, small widebelt sander from Felder?
From Eric in the Saw Mill Creek:
We got the ballpark price in the sales meeting this morning. Won't share on the open forum but I can state that it is both attractive and competitive. This machine
is still a true widebelt, not a drum sander, so keep that in mind when you are calling your Felder rep but based on how popular the Sandya Win was, I definitely see a market for folks who either can't swing a 37" WB or just don't need a machine that runs a
full shift a day. Also, I was surprised to learn that it apparently has a combination head with an electro-pneumatic platen, which is a feature you don't even get on some of the $30K+ industrial widebelts. Still waiting on actual tech data from Austria.
Erik
I know others have not had the best results with the FW 950, but this may work amazingly well for us hobbyists/one person shops.
I called Carl at Felder, hope to hear some more info soon.
What do ya think?
PK
PKwoodworking
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Re: Motor rating vs circuit size
> I hope this is helpful, or at least interesting.
No news in anything he said, but regarding this:
> The Code does permit upsizing circuit breakers on dedicated motor circuits by as much as?
> 250% if needed to avoid nuisance tripping. That provision is in the section on motors.
> Apparently I would be within Code to change my 20-amp breakers to 30-amp breakers
> without changing anything else.?
No, because a table saw is not a "dedicated motor circuit".? ? In the real world, an inspector
may allow the argument that a "dedicated single-motor machine" is functionally equivalent,
but more often not you won't find this to the case.
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Eagerly awaiting info on the new Felder FW 850...
Did anyone happen to see the news about a new, small widebelt sander from Felder?  From Eric in the Saw Mill Creek: We got the ballpark price in the sales meeting this morning. Won't share on the open forum but I can state that it is both attractive and competitive. This machine is still a true widebelt, not a drum sander, so keep that in mind when you are calling your Felder rep but based on how popular the Sandya Win was, I definitely see a market for folks who either can't swing a 37" WB or just don't need a machine that runs a full shift a day. Also, I was surprised to learn that it apparently has a combination head with an electro-pneumatic platen, which is a feature you don't even get on some of the $30K+ industrial widebelts. Still waiting on actual tech data from Austria.Erik
I know others have not had the best results with the FW 950, but this may work amazingly well for us hobbyists/one person shops. I called Carl at Felder, hope to hear some more info soon. What do ya think? PK PKwoodworking
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Re: Motor rating vs circuit size
The Felder tech had no issue with the electrical supply, and suggested I not change anything unless I experienced a problem with the breaker tripping.
I had a good visit with my electrician today. I will share the things I learned today, as there has been some interest in this subject.
My electrician, who works on commercial and industrial projects, confirmed that my 20-amp circuit meets Code requirements for a single motor with an FLA of 19 amps. The 80% rule is only for continuous loads, like lighting, heat, or motors that run for extended periods. My saw runs intermittently, and rarely sees the full load. Even under full load I should not experience tripping.
When I get my jointer, though, the machine will be on a circuit with a dust collector (FLA = 13 amps) and a thickness planer (FLA = 15 amps). Depending on which motors are running and under what loads, there could be an issue with tripping under an in-rush condition.
J.P. (this electrician) pointed out that it takes time for the breaker to trip. The higher the over-current condition, the shorter that time is. Also if the breaker has warmed up, such as from time near the maximum or repeated in-rush from starting motors, the time to trip can get shorter. That can result in nuisance tripping when working hard, but not when working with light loads.
Romex is made with materials good for 90 C, but is normally used as if it was rated for 60 C. Electricians apparently default to the 60 C rating for wires in circuits under 100 amps, but Romex can be used for a higher ampacity if necessary and if the inspector approves it.
J.P. pointed out that the connectors in common circuit breakers are rated for 75 C. All components of the circuit are limited to that temperature, so even if the wire itself was rated at 90 C the circuit design has to be based on the ampacity of a 75 C wire.
The Code does permit upsizing circuit breakers on dedicated motor circuits by as much as 250% if needed to avoid nuisance tripping. That provision is in the section on motors. Apparently I would be within Code to change my 20-amp breakers to 30-amp breakers without changing anything else. That kind of raises my eyebrows, even though I think I understand the rationale.
J.P. will give me a price for a new circuit for my two new 3KW Felder tools. The new circuit will be either 30 amp or 40 amp, to future-proof the circuit. I’ll probably wind up with conduit down the side of my house, but that is what paint is for ?!
I hope this is helpful, or at least interesting.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
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Re: K700S extra parts - sliding table push button controls
Hi Dan!?
It's possible that might be for the outrigger support arm to prevent it from overextending.?
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Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: K700S extra parts - sliding table push button controls
Maybe for the outrigger support so it doesn’t come flying off…
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On Mar 7, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
? Hi all, I’ve had my K700s setup for a couple weeks now and can’t figure out what this extra bolt with two nuts is for. It came in the packaging bag for the sliding table push button handle.?
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K700S extra parts - sliding table push button controls
Hi all, I’ve had my K700s setup for a couple weeks now and can’t figure out what this extra bolt with two nuts is for. It came in the packaging bag for the sliding table push button handle.?
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That’s nice! Easier than me with a cutting wheel in my grinder on my spiral duct.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Mar 6, 2022, at 7:12 PM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:
And PVC duct work. :-)
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There are many options for inhalation - just get the one that fits best. ? For me, the 3M cartridge type half mask works well. (Used them for years in an operating nuclear plant)! We also had full face masks ?- but don’t think you need that level of protection. ?For your eyes you may consider spoggles. These are just safety glasses with foam around the edges. They are inexpensive and work very effectively keeping debris out of your eyes. Good for working under your car, and also on windy days as well. Like you, I get safety glasses with readers on them LOL. ? Later, Dan B.
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On Mar 7, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Mike S <Mike@...> wrote:
?Trying to abbreviate my search.
I’ve got a lot of milling to do (massive amount of walnut) and want to find a full face respirator. ?A web search lands me on a few options but would like the benefit of experience any of you might have. ?In particular, I use cheaters (glasses) which makes it a little less obvious. ?Thanks in advance.
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The 3M Versaflo is amazing. We purchased it for my wife’s work in spring 2020 for obvious reasons. After she received her vaccination, I bought the versaflo off her for my time in the shop. One, it’s pretty expensive at $1200-1500. However, it is superb. Your face constantly has a nice cool breeze over it, the bolt on hearing protection is excellent, and the face shield gives you excellent eye/face protection. Over the years I’ve used the 3M half face respirators and the full face shield respirator. I still use those items with organic cartridges when spraying finishes, but they are very uncomfortable to wear long term. In the summer I remember taking off the full face respirator after milling 8/4 hardwood and the thing would be full of sweat. Even in the winter it’s not comfortable to wear those tight fitting respirators for hours at a time. I don’t have experience with the Trend system, but I believe it’s more affordable powered respirator. I think 3M is king of the hill in the powered respirator sector. We didn’t consider anything else for my wife at the time, which made the decision for my shop protection down the line. It’s not a sexy new tool, but I would spend the money on it again. It’s like the FAT300 in a way, because it doesn’t do anything new like a bandsaw with a bigger resaw or a wider jointer, but once you have it you just say, wow, this really makes my time in the shop more enjoyable and easier.?
P.s. maybe gross, but the downside of the powered respirator is it’s location. You will immediately crop dust yourself if you let one loose in the shop. It is instantaneous.?
Patrick
On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 11:13 AM Mike S < Mike@...> wrote: Trying to abbreviate my search.
I’ve got a lot of milling to do (massive amount of walnut) and want to find a full face respirator.? A web search lands me on a few options but would like the benefit of experience any of you might have.? In particular, I use cheaters (glasses) which makes it a little less obvious.? Thanks in advance.
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Trying to abbreviate my search.
I’ve got a lot of milling to do (massive amount of walnut) and want to find a full face respirator. ?A web search lands me on a few options but would like the benefit of experience any of you might have. ?In particular, I use cheaters (glasses) which makes it a little less obvious. ?Thanks in advance.
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Re: Felder/Hammer setup in a small space
Hi Imran,?
They are definitely way better performing machines as well, and the shaper is an added bonus to my setup.
?I think the clamps look great. The gentleman I bought the saw from had the manual and emailed it to me. Thank you for letting me know I can get one from you if I lose this one.?
tyler?
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Re: Felder/Hammer setup in a small space
Hi Tyler,
Welcome to the group. Glad you like them clamps. I had them made in Kokomo, IN. The white base tells me that it is one of the few early ones that did not get my 2 hr manual RO sanding, so may show some milling marks from the AL extrusion process.
Not only space saving but hopefully better performance and definitely gained a shaper in process.
Imran PS: I created a owners manual for the BS clamps. If you did not get a copy, I can email you one. Probably have no use for it, other than PNs for replacing parts.
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On Mar 7, 2022, at 7:27 AM, Loneevergreenwoodworks@... wrote: ? Hi , new to the forum and new to owning Felder tools. My shop is pretty small 10’x20’. I actually have more space now than I did with my cabinet saw , jointer and planer. My A3 is missing a couple parts but they should be on their way soon. Made a makeshift cutter head guard , it works until the parts show up. My KF700 was a Craigslist find that came with so many accessories including the Big Squeeze clamps that I absolutely love.?
Tyler?
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Felder/Hammer setup in a small space
Hi , new to the forum and new to owning Felder tools. My shop is pretty small 10’x20’. I actually have more space now than I did with my cabinet saw , jointer and planer. My A3 is missing a couple parts but they should be on their way soon. Made a makeshift cutter head guard , it works until the parts show up. My KF700 was a Craigslist find that came with so many accessories including the Big Squeeze clamps that I absolutely love.?
Tyler?
IG: @loneevergreenwoodworks?  
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On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 8:30 AM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Nice! What a big space, looks great! Looks like a Kysor Johnson band saw in the back ground…. nice machine for metal work.
On Mar 6, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
Thanks for indulging me, as I'm excited to have gotten this mostly done. Thanks to the folks on the list for the advice on leveling and adjustments, esp Brian and David. The possible thing of interest to the list is my setup on the griz overarm, which I'm very happy?about.? Works great. I had to cut down the foot, and it is bolted to the cabinet and?the?extension top. Very stable. Not that?this is a surprise, but to confirm.... 8" mains to 6" drops and minimal flex tube DOES make a big difference on suction vs running 15' of 4" flex. :-). Pics below.
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Hey Rob,
Yep, sent Felder this video. ?There’s a flat spot in it. ?I’m going to search for a same size wheel, but something with a nylon material. ?
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?Wade my Hammer K3 made this noise and it is the roller wheel under the cast housing that holds the fence. Flip it over and check that roller
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Nice job on the retro and sounds like you got a good deal!
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On Mar 6, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
That is a Kysor Johnson model J that I did a full teardown, repaint, rebuild on. Took me a few months of chipping away at it, but it came out?great. It is a very nice saw. Bought it for $400.? On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 8:30 AM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Nice! What a big space, looks great! Looks like a Kysor Johnson band saw in the back ground…. nice machine for metal work.
On Mar 6, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
Thanks for indulging me, as I'm excited to have gotten this mostly done. Thanks to the folks on the list for the advice on leveling and adjustments, esp Brian and David. The possible thing of interest to the list is my setup on the griz overarm, which I'm very happy?about.? Works great. I had to cut down the foot, and it is bolted to the cabinet and?the?extension top. Very stable. Not that?this is a surprise, but to confirm.... 8" mains to 6" drops and minimal flex tube DOES make a big difference on suction vs running 15' of 4" flex. :-). Pics below.
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David Luckensmeyer
PK
Tom Gensmer
Dan Gavrilyuk
imran