Re: Newest Splinter tongue design for non-DRO fences
I modified mine using scrap BB plywood? (as you can see some finish was left on it) today, the 1/2" plywood can be easily replaced, it is screwed into the vertical 3/4" plywood.
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James
On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:50 PM PK < pk@...> wrote: Just wanted to confirm that Bill's Blue sacrificial crosscut fence end does indeed work perfectly on my kappa 400 x-motion analog (for now) crosscut fence!
See attached pics!? I did need to adjust the supports for the outrigger cart so that the "splitter tongue" would not drag on the ground if left on the outrigger.
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Re: Felder bandsaws versus x
there are lots of machine opinions and a lot depends on personal preference rather than what is better.? I'm a cast iron saw guy.? I like the way a cast iron bandsaw absorbs vibration yet uses a lighter upper wheel vs the new saw approach that blends a
heavy cast iron wheel with a steel frame.? The wheel compensates for the frame somewhat.? Most of the old cast iron saws that had the beef to resaw were 30 or 36".? New saws can do that at 24" although I've always liked the 28" steel saws.? Large table and
very stout frame.? Others here get very great results with a 1 carbide blade tensioned to 15000 lbs which is about the limit on a 610.? I like higher tension but it may be just that I have fast running 6700fpm blades and tend to push them hard.
I tend to buy used and larger saws are where the bargains are.? I liked the old Centauro steel saws at 24" and the ACM heavy series at 28".? They run? similar to the cast iron machines I'm used to due to mass and frame strength.? Doesn't make them better for
everyone, just for me.? I have the room for big stuff and the only machines that have disappointed me are the smaller, lighter ones so I tend to like what works for me.? In fairness I have not seen an FB in several years.? The earlier ones didn't impress me
much but Felder tends to improve with time so that impression is likely not valid any more.? Dave
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Greg Mix,?
Thank you very much for taking the time to share your experience and thoughts. I too am working in a home shop (~700 sq-ft), and while I'm not necessarily a furniture maker, I certainly perform a lot of random tasks. It seems that we have a similar assessment
of the machines, in that, other than a slightly wider rip capacity and slightly larger table, the 610 doesn't seem to be meaningfully different from the 510, other than perhaps larger, heavier wheels and greater overall mass. For my predicted needs I don't
necessarily think I'd need that, but that's why I'm asking the group and not just going forward with assumptions.?
David Kumm, can you articulate the benefits of opting for a larger saw, if the resaw capacity is generally the same (most machines in this class hover between 14"-16")? Do the larger saws just have larger rip capacity, or do the larger wheels convey other benefits?
?I know several users here have 32"+ machines, but I don't seem anything like that fitting in my current space. Given that I can't fit a 30"+ machine, is there going to be a meaningful difference between a 20" and a 24" machine??
The Laguna LT18 Resaw Master looks like a monster, accepting at 2" blade, but I just don't see myself needing that kind of capacity:??
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Newest Splinter tongue design for non-DRO fences
Just wanted to confirm that Bill's Blue sacrificial crosscut fence end does indeed work perfectly on my kappa 400 x-motion analog (for now) crosscut fence! See attached pics!? I did need to adjust the supports for the outrigger cart so that the "splitter tongue" would not drag on the ground if left on the outrigger. PK   PK PKwoodworking
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Re: Kappa 550 x motion problems
I don’t have the fancy linear rollers System with dissimilar materials just hard ways and hard balls in my old SCMI I occasionally wipe down my ways with this product and works great, ?i have used with fine success on Felder systems ,,wipe on wipe off method. I also use it with my band saw when cutting bars of 2.5”x 4”6061T603. Squirts a dab in the kerf and I get a lot more out of my Japanese blades. mac ,,,
Designing and building for 52 years
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On Jan 23, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
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My question is..How do you clean it out of the bearings that are buried in the rolling table? it's not like they are exposed for easy access or cleaning
On Sunday, January 23, 2022, 07:28:41 AM PST, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
Guess I will stop using it, wonder if maybe because I never used anything else it didn’t gum up, maybe it binds or doesn’t fully dissolve other previous lubricants. On Jan 22, 2022, at 8:50 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Just curious, who is Felder listening to when specifying Ballistol. I almost bought it a yr or 2 ago when it was mentioned here; can’t recall for what purpose.
Imran
On Jan 22, 2022, at 8:37 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? Yes, in my case. ?The? Ballistol?collected enough of the bearing cage to be a dust magnet and began to run rough. ?I don’t have the same remote start system as you have or the 550 OP. ?Mine is the older version that does not send any electrical signals through the sliding table. ?But the dust being collected on the bearing cage was causing issues within a few days, so I cleaned it all up with kerosene and denatured alcohol which was a total PITA. ?I do use a white Scotch-Brite pad () with WD-40 for routine cleaning of the slider ways as well as the telescoping support arm for the outrigger table to get the sawdust that gets pressed into the rollers out of that mechanism. ? I have not had issues (yet) i have used it 2-3 times on the slides but i wipe it completely off , Brian, David os that what you did and it still gummed up? ?Interesting, the rep said to apply with a white 3m pad. He also said denatured alcohol would work in the interim. Have others had this contact issue with the slider switch?
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Re: Felder bandsaws versus x
I had the chance to upgrade to a 610 from the Laguna 16hd I’d had for 20+ years.? I really didn’t know what I’d been missing and find myself using a bandsaw (vs tablesaw) more and more.? The big table and heft make a big difference. ? Discussed on a different thread, I’m now evaluating how to improve my ability to resaw (beyond just the blade).? Power feeding but also in/out feed support.? On the topic of multiple saws, a job I recently did gave me the excuse I’d long waited for and I bought a Mafell portable (bandsaw).? Obviously a different tool but, turn it upside down on a bench (support with a piece of 4x4) and instant stationary bandsaw.? I’ve used it in shop to save blade changes on the 610 and have taken it to job sites (and left jigsaw at home) more than once.? It hangs on the wall when not in use…
On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 5:50 PM < tom@...> wrote: Greg Mix,?
Thank you very much for taking the time to share your experience and thoughts. I too am working in a home shop (~700 sq-ft), and while I'm not necessarily a furniture maker, I certainly perform a lot of random tasks. It seems that we have a similar assessment of the machines, in that, other than a slightly wider rip capacity and slightly larger table, the 610 doesn't seem to be meaningfully different from the 510, other than perhaps larger, heavier wheels and greater overall mass. For my predicted needs I don't necessarily think I'd need that, but that's why I'm asking the group and not just going forward with assumptions.?
David Kumm, can you articulate the benefits of opting for a larger saw, if the resaw capacity is generally the same (most machines in this class hover between 14"-16")? Do the larger saws just have larger rip capacity, or do the larger wheels convey other benefits?? I know several users here have 32"+ machines, but I don't seem anything like that fitting in my current space. Given that I can't fit a 30"+ machine, is there going to be a meaningful difference between a 20" and a 24" machine??
The Laguna LT18 Resaw Master looks like a monster, accepting at 2" blade, but I just don't see myself needing that kind of capacity:??
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Felder bandsaws versus x
Greg Mix,?
Thank you very much for taking the time to share your experience and thoughts. I too am working in a home shop (~700 sq-ft), and while I'm not necessarily a furniture maker, I certainly perform a lot of random tasks. It seems that we have a similar assessment of the machines, in that, other than a slightly wider rip capacity and slightly larger table, the 610 doesn't seem to be meaningfully different from the 510, other than perhaps larger, heavier wheels and greater overall mass. For my predicted needs I don't necessarily think I'd need that, but that's why I'm asking the group and not just going forward with assumptions.?
David Kumm, can you articulate the benefits of opting for a larger saw, if the resaw capacity is generally the same (most machines in this class hover between 14"-16")? Do the larger saws just have larger rip capacity, or do the larger wheels convey other benefits? ?I know several users here have 32"+ machines, but I don't seem anything like that fitting in my current space. Given that I can't fit a 30"+ machine, is there going to be a meaningful difference between a 20" and a 24" machine??
The Laguna LT18 Resaw Master looks like a monster, accepting at 2" blade, but I just don't see myself needing that kind of capacity:??
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Felder bandsaws versus x
yes, you are correct...the wheel needs to be in front of blade to avoid all kinds of pinching issues. ?I wanted the feeder to be able to move the material completely through the blade and finish the cut...so I have the wheel just slightly in front of the blade.?
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Maybe I should have got a Felder instead of the Laguna 24 Resaw. ?Not sure why I did not do that. ?Just a couple of observations. ?If I understand, the Felder has 2 ports, and not sure the current Laguna Bandsaws have that or just 1 port on the larger machines. ?Nice to have 2 ports, even though there is always some dust that gathers on the table. ?I do not know if the Felder has a positive stop for the tilt of the table, but the Laguna does not. ?When the table is perpendicular to the blade on this machine that has a heavy co-matic feeder and is just used for re-saw or rip cuts, at times the table wants to tilt a bit over time due to the force of the weight of the feeder. ?I know I can rig up something which would be especially easy to do if I had Metal working tools, but sure wish there was a locking stop at 90 degrees. ?
On the 1 vs 2 vs 3 bandsaws mentioned here and on another thread, I can say that I have 2. ?With the dedicated Feeder, great for ripping boards not so wide and re-saw, and I much prefer ripping on the bandsaw vs the panel saw. ?However, forget about other uses and forget about taking the feeder on and off. ?Can be done but not practical, especially if you use the heavy pneumatic feeders. ? That leaves everything else to the other bandsaw.
That everything else includes curved cuts, and straight cuts on things too wide for the other bandsaw (things more than 6 inches between the blade and feeder are too wide). ?A nice blades for ripping is not good for curved cuts and visa versa. ?One can always change blades, but it would sure be nice to have a bandsaw dedicated to each task. ?Although money is an issue, I suspect space is a bigger factor for most when deciding how many bandsaws they can have in their shops. ?
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Re: Felder bandsaws versus x
Just another solution to resawing
The Hitachi CB75F was designed to resaw- has a 2 inch plus blade
One of Australias best furniture makers used to swear buy it for
cutting our hardwoods for veneers ( about 3mm thick) which he used all
the time and even sold speciality veneers
Just another way to skin the cat
rgrds
Bob
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Re: Looking for photos of lift table workbench/assembly
That's clever what you did for the foot pedal so you don't have to drag it around when you move the cart. Dave Davies -- Dave & Marie Davies
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Re: Cabinet Lift Recommendations
Hi Anthony!?
I have the TelPro Cabinetizer and it works fine, but an aluminum version would certainly make schlepping it in- and out- of customer's homes a bit easier. As you probably already know, you'd want to set the uppers first using the lift, then set the bottoms.?
It's definitely a handy piece of equipment, but I can't speak to whether there are more evolved options out there....?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Felder bandsaws versus x
I agree - nicely done. Question: How far is the point of max wheel pressure back from the front of the blade? Generally I’ve seen the feeder mounted further from the blade so as to avoid scouring resulting from the pressure against the teeth.
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Thanks...it was a proof of concept, and I was planning to "pretty" it up a bit, but it works perfectly so I never got around to modifying it. ?With the air cylinder fully extended, the wheel is 1/16" away from the blade...this way I can cut my 1/8" strips. ?No foot switch...but that is a good idea.
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Thanks...it was a proof of concept, and I was planning to "pretty" it up a bit, but it works perfectly so I never got around to modifying it. ?With the air cylinder fully extended, the wheel is 1/16" away from the blade...this way I can cut my 1/8" strips. ?No foot switch...but that is a good idea.
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Wow, nicely done and works so well.
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I had a MM16 for many years and recently migrated to an FB510. ?No complaints on the FB510. ?As for the power feeder, I decided to design and fabricate my own power feeder...it works great for my needs. ?A few videos attached...
-Joe
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Nicely done! Do you have a hard stop so the wheel doesn’t tilt into the blade if there is not a work piece present? Foot switch on the air to retract/advance the wheel?
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I had a MM16 for many years and recently migrated to an FB510. ?No complaints on the FB510. ?As for the power feeder, I decided to design and fabricate my own power feeder...it works great for my needs. ?A few videos attached...
-Joe
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I had a MM16 for many years and recently migrated to an FB510. ?No complaints on the FB510. ?As for the power feeder, I decided to design and fabricate my own power feeder...it works great for my needs. ?A few videos attached...
-Joe
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Re: Cabinet Lift Recommendations
Dear All:
I have the Vestil Hand Winch Lift for cabinet installations and to lift lumber up 9 feet to wall shelving and to lift the 5HP motor for my Oneida Dust Collector up on top of the assembled unit ( maxed out the height on that one) and to help assembly/glue up of big furniture pieces…
I just looked and they have about doubled in price from what I paid. ?
A very valuable addition to my shop and also on the install front. ?
After I rented one 3-4 times, I thought to buy. ?Good decision.
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I actually have the original Gillift.. it does have it's limitations such as how big of a cabinet you can put on it without it tipping or falling off and the height it can lift to.? But it does work well
On Saturday, January 22, 2022, 05:50:07 PM PST, Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
The Gillift is the original, and much lighter weight than the one you've used. It's all aluminum construction. I worked with a guy that installed everything solo with one. Very handy when you need it. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Felder bandsaws versus x
With a 14" SUV as a second saw, I would want something larger and with more capacity than a 510 which is basically the same saw with a larger table.? I consider a 20" saw to be a small machine so I'm biased though.? Dave
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I'm quite interested in this topic, as I'm planning on adding a second band saw to my Shop in the coming years. I'm currently using a Laguna LT14SUV (14" saw), and it has served well as a great entry level saw (3hp motor, 14" resaw capacity, ceramic guides,
etc...). That being said, I would like to eventually set up the Laguna with a 1/4" blade for curved work, and adding a larger saw for straight work. My inclination is to look at a FB510 or 610, but am curious as to whether there's a compelling case to be made
for one machine over the other??
For reference, I work in a one-person shop, and for starters I'd be using the machine primarily for "straight" work (ripping and the occasional re-saw). There's an outside chance that I'd eventually consider a re-saw setup (power feed, etc...), but it is not
in cards for starters, and am open to the idea of getting a third, dedicated resaw machine, leaving the FB machine free for utility work.?
The FB510 and FB610 have very similar specifications, including using the same motor and same resaw capacity. They differ slightly in negative tilt (-10 degrees for 510, -5 degrees for 610), rip capacity, and overall size/weight.?
Anyways, for users of FB5xx and FB6xx machines, why did you pick your machine over the other??
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Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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